Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[AssignedEva]

Okay, so he probably didn't sexually assault Contra, but now it's confirmed they dated. This begs so many questions. Is he the "Chad" in the shame video? If so, LOOOOL

The 4chan /tttt/ schizos think "Chad" is actually Olympian bobsledder Chris Kinney (who came out as bi a few months after the Shame video).
That being said, I don't think it can be anyone other than Ollie-boy. It's also claimed that they'd been in a relationship "for a year and a half", and she broke up with him "last December" (December 2019 - confirmed because she makes a reference to a photo she posted "last fall" which was posted in September 2019)
So then there's the Contra-Choob timeline:

OK, for those of you who are new to this drama and new to the Nyk-Oliver affair of 2018 - 2019, here's a breakdown:

The timeline matches too well, the first dalliance in June 2018 would mark a year and a half to December 2019, and then Contra comes out as lesbian in February 2020 and Ollie seemingly has his nervous breakdown and starts taking HRT about then based on his coming out video timelines. Even if Nykysnottrans's timeline was off and May 2019 is actually Contra distancing herself, there's just no scope to have a "serious, long term boyfriend" between then and Shame.
Not to mention in Shame it's specifically stated "I never had a boyfriend before". If Ollie is Contra's ex, and Contra has only had one boyfriend, then Ollie must be Chad.

 

[cia-log]

It's pretty rich of the Toob defenders to drag Contra for vague posting, considering Toob has had at least one Contra reference in each video for the past 3 years.

Not a fan of either of them, but for boredom's sake I'll bite:

They're right about one thing, it is rich for Contra to complain that Olly aped his entire "career". Olly puts out ten times the Youtube content Contra does, plus all that other crap he does, including writing a play. Yeah it was a convoluted mess of a play that didn't make any sense, but he wrote it, put a cast together, got the venue for it etc.

Not relevant to Olly but on a similar note it's funny that Contra made a video insisting AGP is made up and then implies in a tweet that skinwalking is quite typical in the trans community.

Another thing, if Olly doesn't rise to the bait and respond in some way, or really copy Contra and make a whole video shitting on him, it'll mean Olly's more of an adult than Contra. Yeah Olly's a namedropping sycophant but Contra names people just to tear them down.

Honestly Contra's anger towards Choob is pretty amusing and I wish he'd go after him more. They remind me of Beavis and Butthead with their dynamic, with Contra wanting to be above Olly when they're just two peas in a pod.

 

[Tombigbee]

I thought Oliver was referring to the Contra beef in his last live stream, but maybe it’s about someone else. From 1:24:30 to 1:26:12, judge for yourselves.

 

[Saltycoins]

LATEST CHOOB L

It was revealed today that Abighoul was baited by rdrama.net

rdrama power user Landlord_Messiah (LLM) was posting on aTwitter account called "Bostonians Against Mayor Wu". Some of his bait posts gained major traction. Here is said post:

https://rdrama.net/post/231171/posted-this-ironically-and-people-fell

Turns out PhilosophyTube fell hook, line and sinker to LLMs bait and added it in a video entitled: "Why We Can’t Build Better Cities (ft.Not Just Bikes)". Here's the excerpt of Abighoul confidently and smugly falling for rdrama bait:

rdrama is giddy over their latest win: https://rdrama.net/post/256688/siren-philosophytube-fell-for-the-antiwucoalition

Goes to show how much research and vigour goes into his shitty videos lol.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

I don't watch his garbage normally but watching that clip for the bait I was struck by the part where he explains: "the mish-mash of nonsensical positions provides several onramps to the world of the phantasm, whatever your anxiety is there's a place for you in unreality ... a recommendation algorithm for radicalization, its function is build a political coalition by loosening your grip on reality one fingernail at a time, and if it made sense it would be less effective at doing that."

Huh, wonder what that sounds remarkably like... but I can't come up with anything, if you'll excuse me I have to go help the most famous trans person in the UK desegregate the NHS.

 

[transspotter]

Want to see another bad faith take down of JK Rowling?

I haven't watched it all but I bet they never address any specific critismas from Jk Rolwing, like puberty blockers, rapists in jails, men in women's sports (which she had been proven right on all of them)

Edit: Whoops wrong tranny thread

 

[Traummaschine]

Turns out PhilosophyTube fell hook, line and sinker to LLMs bait and added it in a video entitled: "Why We Can’t Build Better Cities (ft.Not Just Bikes)". Here's the excerpt of Abighoul confidently and smugly falling for rdrama bait:
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Truly horrifying, both for the ears and eyes.

And he couldn't help himself and had to make even this about him and and his two partners. What a chad.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

. Anyway, I think the gist is true minus the rape. There was probably some molestation or grey area physical contact Contra felt pressured into.

Eh, there probably isn't. If there's anything these people seem to love more than rape, it's accusing each other of rape.

More likely: Hontra's base sexuality is heterosexual, but because of his AGP it's morphed into what Blanchard calls "pseudobisexuality". Hontra never dated or had sex with Choob because he was actually attracted to him, but because it validated his fantasy of being a woman and dating a "Chad" (LMAO). But it's like we're now seeing with Finnster pretending to be bisexual while at the same time showing physical disgust. Hontra, like a lot of AGPs (and I'm guessing anyone Choob does his Choobing on), probably felt disgusted and ashamed afterwards and when Choob took away the only thing their relationship gave him (the validation of dating a "Chad" (again LMFAO) as a woman) it just furthered that disgust.

TL;DR. Hontra is a creepy AGP hon who didn't get raped.

 

[The Jackal]

They're right about one thing, it is rich for Contra to complain that Olly aped his entire "career". Olly puts out ten times the Youtube content Contra does, plus all that other crap he does, including writing a play.

I don't know, I kind of agree with that. Yes, Olly actually puts out content and Contra just sits around in lingerie taking drugs, but the point is that the style of Olly's videos is taken from Contra.

The basic formula for a Contrapoints video is: (1) talking for an hour on some ridiculous theme (such as 'why J. K. Rowling is a massive bitch') in a pompous, pseudo-intellectual way, citing various trendy thinkers such as Foucault or Marcuse or Judith Butler so as to make a show of learning, interspersed with lame in-jokes that reinforce your audience's prejudices, and (2) coming up with extravagant 'looks' and general window-dressing, lighting, etc, that are supposed to match the theme, and show off what an ultra-sexy, totally valid woman you are. About 30% of the effort goes in to (1) and 70% into (2).

This is now also the basic formula of a Philosophy Tube video. His content went from looking like this, pre-Contra:




to like this, post-Contra:




So yeah, I think it's pretty fair to say Olly aped Contra's channel. Olly's videos are shittier though for a variety of reasons. He's like the Kmart Contra.

Another thing, if Olly doesn't rise to the bait and respond in some way, or really copy Contra and make a whole video shitting on him, it'll mean Olly's more of an adult than Contra.

I think you're being a bit too generous to Olly. He's not doing it because he's more of an adult (lol) but because he is in awe of Contra, he fears Contra, he may even still be in love with Contra. Plus he thinks all the drama isn't a good look for a budding actor.

Truly horrifying, both for the ears and eyes.

And he couldn't help himself and had to make even this about him and and his two partners. What a chad.

And why was he driving in Boston of all places? I can only assume that one of those 'partners' was Contra, and they were doing some kind of East-Coast road trip (I'm pretty sure Contra lives in Baltimore).

If so, it's pretty funny that he keeps sprinkling in all these little references to their relationship, begging for Contra's attention. He finally got what he wanted though and it wasn't what he wanted.

TL;DR. Hontra is a creepy AGP hon who didn't get raped.

It reminds me of something I read in one of the other threads, probably Tranny Sideshows, about the 'sissy pipeline'. Apparently some guys get really into cuck/sissy porn and then that leads eventually to crossdressing and getting fucked by men, not because they like it - it disgusts them - but precisely because it disgusts them and that's their kick. Presumably this is all tied up with their hatred of women. I don't think this is exactly what Contra's deal is, but it's something like that. Not fucking men because you're attracted to them, but because in a retarded circumlocutory way, it allows you to roleplay as your fantasy woman.

 

[AssignedEva]

I thought Oliver was referring to the Contra beef in his last live stream, but maybe it’s about someone else. From 1:24:30 to 1:26:12, judge for yourselves.

Yeah it's probably about Contra.

Do all the famous UK trans women know each other? Yeaaaah not all, not all, because also the other thing you have to realise is there's a lot of like "know", know of, have met but also there's like inscrutable levels of beef. So sometimes you'll be like "Can I speak to this person?" and they'll just go "No I hate her, she was like really rude to me in 2007!" - there's a lot of that. To be fair, I'm part of it too, there's people in the community I don't speak to and people who've wronged me - I'm just like "No, I'm not associated with that person."
Like only the other day, somebody said to me - it was Roz Kaveney - asked me to introduce me to another trans woman and I was just like "No, that trans woman and I do not speak ever. Like we hate each other. No, no, no, never! And also if you see her, don't tell her we're friends because she'll fucking hate you!". So there's a lot of like, you know, as there is in any small community under pressure, struggling, there's a lot of like... I mean I exaggarated it a little bit for comedy, like it's not - we don't - it's not like a hatred, I was just like "Naaaah it's not really a contact I have".

Roz Kaveney is a really old school trans activist, who joined the Gay Liberation Front's Transvestite/Transsexual/Drag Queen group and co-wrote "Don't Call Me Mr, You Fucking Beast" in 1972. Basically a foundational part of trans activism in the UK; it's certainly something up Ollie's street:

A similar question, perhaps even more immediate, is the question of passing. Transvestites have always sought to pass as regular women by disguising their voice, walking right, etc. Certainly it's a thrill to have a salesgirl say, 'Can I help you, madam?' But do we give up too much? How can we escape the feeling of being just an illusion, something that can't be touched or looked at too closely? And we become so paranoid when we're worried people will read us. Also, one transsexual said, you don't become the woman you are, but the woman you can pass as—which means you may feel like maxi-skirts and scarlet capes, but you wear brown midis so people notice you less. So many sex-changes live in constant fear people will discover their pasts. One sex-change said she's torn between two desires, one to disappear and he accepted as a regular woman after struggling so many years, the other to shout up and down the street how beautiful it is to be transsexual. If you're young and haven't suffered as much, you're quick to say be militant, don't hide. Those who came out long ago are often the proudest because they've been themselves the longest. But they also know that if you pass you're treated as a human being, if you don't you're treated as a pervert or a roadshow.

Yet there are also thrills to not passing, or more precisely, not caring if you pass. You dress, comb your hair, use make-up to suit yourself, not to go unnoticed. And you discover yourself developing street instincts: how to handle crowds, how to judge people approaching you, what to do about police. One sister always carries an Italian women's magazine on the tube so if someone speaks to her she can wave the magazine and pretend she doesn't speak English. You learn to laugh at people before they laugh at you. You become your own street theatre. Two transvestites can conquer a whole department store of uptight straight people.

Certainly one thing becomes more and more clear as we come together; pass or not pass, we can't let anybody tell us what we are. One sister said that after six months of psychiatric treatment she discovered that no one knew her like herself. We can't let anybody tell us we're men, when we know we're women. As Holly Woodlawn once said in New York, 'Don't call me mister, you fucking beast!'

Ollie's usual simping approach on Twitter appears to have initiated contact.

This was just after Contra's Twilight video came out and Roz had been interacting (and still is interacting) with Contra content

Interesting that Ollie warned Roz not to mention they were friends because it'd sour Contra to Roz, but then had to namedrop and so basically sabotaged that anyway (or at least will have when Contra reads this thread)
Also lol

I think you're being a bit too generous to Olly. He's not doing it because he's more of an adult (lol) but because he is in awe of Contra, he fears Contra, he may even still be in love with Contra. Plus he thinks all the drama isn't a good look for a budding actor.

I agree. Ollie is signed to United Agents and I imagine they might be having some internal discussions about "how to respond to this". Ollie refusing to talk about it at all is likely a sign of panic, although no doubt once this all dies down it'll be added to his list of grievances about Contra that he'll off-handedly reference in his videos.

 

[narcissistic injury]

I wish there was a movie like Envy/Desire but with a real woman girlfriend. More people need to understand the awful plight of transwidows and how AGP tears apart families and relationships. In this case there wouldn't be a friend to tell the woman about AGP; instead, the transwidow would be faced with pressure from everywhere to support her husband and eventually find the courage within herself to leave him and find her own happiness in independence.

I thought exactly the same thing as I watched it... how is the revulsion okay only when the partner is trans? being saddled with that shit as a real woman (esp once you're married) is nightmare material. it's not like he's making a mockery of trans women, he's making a mockery of womanhood with his cheap wig and gross stubble. No one wants a bf or husband that troons out

 

[The Jackal]

Roz Kaveney is a really old school trans activist, who joined the Gay Liberation Front's Transvestite/Transsexual/Drag Queen group and co-wrote "Don't Call Me Mr, You Fucking Beast" in 1972. Basically a foundational part of trans activism in the UK; it's certainly something up Ollie's street:

Nice detective work. Interesting to note that troons were just as insufferable and arrogant in 1972 as they are now. I always assumed they were more reasonable back in the day and the mad insistence that everyone indulges them in their silly fantasies was a recent phenomenon, but I guess not.

 

[scathefire]

Eh, there probably isn't. If there's anything these people seem to love more than rape, it's accusing each other of rape.

More likely: Hontra's base sexuality is heterosexual, but because of his AGP it's morphed into what Blanchard calls "pseudobisexuality". Hontra never dated or had sex with Choob because he was actually attracted to him, but because it validated his fantasy of being a woman and dating a "Chad" (LMAO). But it's like we're now seeing with Finnster pretending to be bisexual while at the same time showing physical disgust. Hontra, like a lot of AGPs (and I'm guessing anyone Choob does his Choobing on), probably felt disgusted and ashamed afterwards and when Choob took away the only thing their relationship gave him (the validation of dating a "Chad" (again LMFAO) as a woman) it just furthered that disgust.

TL;DR. Hontra is a creepy AGP hon who didn't get raped.

Contra desperately wanted to bone Theryn so I don't personally view him as straight given his lust for girlpenis. Maybe he just has little interest in dating or having sex with a "regular" guy, only men on estrogen presenting as women.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Contra desperately wanted to bone Theryn so I don't personally view him as straight given his lust for girlpenis. Maybe he just has little interest in dating or having sex with a "regular" guy, only men on estrogen presenting as women.

Well, as we've seen with Finnsters awkward descent into gay porn, fantasy is often different from reality and frying your brain with porn won't change that.

 

[Nigor]

Well, as we've seen with Finnsters awkward descent into gay porn, fantasy is often different from reality and frying your brain with porn won't change that.

Blanchards pseudo-bisexuality theory strikes again

 

[Horse Divorce]

Wow, he really became the "we have Contrapoints at home" meme.

 

[toobular]

I noticed this a while ago and always thought it was funny. Around 2021 Toob was a guest on two podcasts, 10k Posts and Masters of Our Domain, that share a female host in both episodes Toob was deeply unpleasant.

10k Posts is a podcast about how internet culture impacts society and Toob spent the episode rudely contradicting the host and talking about how actually real celebrities all actually want to be youtubers now and all Toobs famous friends discuss this in secret. Toob also got very offended when the host insisted that what they make is 'content' rather than art or whatever Toob pretends it is.

Masters of Our Domain is an episode by episode review of Seinfeld, where the female host is a fan of the show and the male host is watching it for the first time. Toob spends the episode calling the show terrible and unfunny and generally tried to ruin things.

By the end the thinly masked contempt the host had for Toob is very clear to hear. Toob hasn't been on either show since, desipite everyone else who is in that orbit constantly rotating as guests. Have a listen to the episodes if you're looking for something to cringe at.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I noticed this a while ago and always thought it was funny. Around 2011 Toob was a guest on two podcasts, 10k Posts and Masters of Our Domain, that share a female host in both episodes Toob was deeply unpleasant.

10k Posts is a podcast about how internet culture impacts society and Toob spent the episode rudely contradicting the host and talking about how actually real celebrities all actually want to be youtubers now and all Toobs famous friends discuss this in secret. Toob also got very offended when the host insisted that what they make is 'content' rather than art or whatever Toob pretends it is.

Masters of Our Domain is an episode by episode review of Seinfeld, where the female host is a fan of the show and the male host is watching it for the first time. Toob spends the episode calling the show terrible and unfunny and generally tried to ruin things.

By the end the thinly masked contempt the host had for Toob is very clear to hear. Toob hasn't been on either show since, desipite everyone else who is in that orbit constantly rotating as guests. Have a listen to the episodes if you're looking for something to cringe at.

Putting out a 25,000 ChoobPowahs reward to anyone can find a recorded incident of tube interacting with a woman he does not act horribly to.

In terms of even referring to women, the only ones he doesn't dare come for are female "philosophers of colour" possibly from self preservation but more likely because troons like him don't consider them women.

 

[The Jackal]

2011

I was excited for some deep Choob lore, but it's actually 2021.

 

[toobular]

I was excited for some deep Choob lore, but it's actually 2021.

Sorry yup, fixed now