Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Kurohige]

Still one of the funniest things to happen in the fandom ngl

Yet another "She kinda bad tho" moment. Fitting that it's another ice-based character too.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Pokemon Clover exists LOL

To try and bring this topic from going into further discussion about waifus and which is woke or not(the inevitability of every Pokemon discussion), I'm curious if it's actually good. You see a lot of discussion about it on /vp/, but they're not exactly well known for their tastes. Since this is the memey imageboard romhacks, it could just be that people recommend it out of the "obligation" that you play it if you visit 4 or 8chan.
Since I'm going on something of a ride with Pokemon romhacks right now, do sell me on this one if anyone here played it. I know very little about it.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

To try and bring this topic from going into further discussion about waifus and which is woke or not(the inevitability of every Pokemon discussion), I'm curious if it's actually good. You see a lot of discussion about it on /vp/, but they're not exactly well known for their tastes. Since this is the memey imageboard romhacks, it could just be that people recommend it out of the "obligation" that you play it if you visit 4 or 8chan.
Since I'm going on something of a ride with Pokemon romhacks right now, do sell me on this one if anyone here played it. I know very little about it.

I haven't played many romhacks but this one stands out to me as the only one I've played that has a completely unique dex of mons. This is probably what will make or break the hack for you since they're all very reliant on 4chan related memes and culture but it worked out more than enough to build a team I liked. The region follows a similar progression in areas and gyms as the original Kanto and there is even a neat postgame with some legendaries where the act of tracking them down feels remarkably similar to how you'd do it in the old entries.
Not counting any self imposed reules I think this hack is moderatly demanding, most of the difficulty will come from not knowing what types the mons are (sometimes it will really not be obvious outside of gym leaders), their stats and what moves they use.
Its overall a deceptively competent hack I'd say and I definitely recommend it, just for the effort and creativity alone.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I haven't played many romhacks but this one stands out to me as the only one I've played that has a completely unique dex of mons. This is probably what will make or break the hack for you since they're all very reliant on 4chan related memes and culture but it worked out more than enough to build a team I liked. The region follows a similar progression in areas and gyms as the original Kanto and there is even a neat postgame with some legendaries where the act of tracking them down feels remarkably similar to how you'd do it in the old entries.
Not counting any self imposed reules I think this hack is moderatly demanding, most of the difficulty will come from not knowing what types the mons are (sometimes it will really not be obvious outside of gym leaders), their stats and what moves they use.
Its overall a deceptively competent hack I'd say and I definitely recommend it, just for the effort and creativity alone.

What are some features the romhack has? Is there a battling facility like Battle Tower? Is the story overdosed on maymays to the point I will cringe?
Right now I want to play at least one Romhack of every mainline game up to Gen 7, but this might be something fun to play at a later date.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

What are some features the romhack has? Is there a battling facility like Battle Tower? Is the story overdosed on maymays to the point I will cringe?
Right now I want to play at least one Romhack of every mainline game up to Gen 7, but this might be something fun to play at a later date.

There is very little story and some of it is very dated like this semi reocurring character who I think is supposed to reference Know Your Meme.
Most of the features are quality of life stuff like infinite TMs and I think HMs were either optional or easier to unlearn. I don't remember there being a battle tower but there is an incredibly high leveled super boss in the postgame.

Edit: Might be worth mentioning that I played one of the earlier releases a couple years ago and they've occasionally updated it since but I haven't revisited it fully since my original playthrough.

 

[BlazikenLover]

I am aware there were changes and "censorship" through the years but Lenora's is one of the lesser known changes (and for some reason one I find somewhat amusing).

After the release of Pokémon Black and White, Lenora's artwork on the official website for the games was updated to have her apron slung over her shoulder. Also, in the dubbed versions of A Night at the Nacrene City Museum!, The Battle According to Lenora! and Rematch at the Nacrene Gym!, Lenora's apron was removed completely. This was due to concerns that she resembled the Mammy archetype

When I was younger I thought the apron was due to her being a housewife, latter I found out she is an archeologist so I thought the apron must be because she's cleaning fossils. Recently read a snippet of an interview with one of the designers saying he wanted her to give out a motherly vibe and honestly I don't know what to think anymore.
Come think of it, there are very few gym leaders and E4 members who are mothers, think the only other one is the ice gym leader from shwsh

 

[30+GameOvers]

It should be noted that this was also the first race mixed couple in Pokemon, since she has a white husband. She was also the first legit girlboss in the franchise, as for the short time you meet her the game establishes that she wears the pants(or the apron) in the family.
Yeah, Gamefreak was really confused as to what the Westerners really wanted and you can tell they didn't really know what they were doing. They still don't, you can tell that they don't have the heart in following the new ESG guidelines and making everyone look ugly, they're just doing it because their superiors are telling them this is what Americans want. Nilantic have recently pozzed up Pokemon GO, but since they're from San Francisco this sort of thing is more natural to them.

For better or for worse, Gen 5 was the last time that Gamefreak put any sort of soul into the franchise. Gen 6 had that too to a degree, you could tell they had grand plans for their first 3D entry, but they tried backpedaling way too hard after the Gen 5 controversy by pandering to Kanto fans and their tech was simply not up to snuff. They couldn't do everything they wanted, awful performance during normal play and especially triple battles is the best example of their lack of optimization.
Gen 7 was a special case, I think it worked but you could tell that a different approach was taken. The good, and the bad, came from that new approach as you could still see the same atrophy that set in during Gen 6 if you looked deep enough. As of Gen 8, and now Gen 9, the decay is unquestionable. I wish Pokemon would go back to stupid controversies like this one with Lenora, rather than the likes of Dexit or the 70$ DLCs or the recent ugly trainers and DEI. At least back then, Gamefreak genuinely wanted to make a better product, even if they did stupid shit to get there, these days they can't even pretend to care.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

It should be noted that this was also the first race mixed couple in Pokemon, since she has a white husband. She was also the first legit girlboss in the franchise, as for the short time you meet her the game establishes that she wears the pants(or the apron) in the family.
Yeah, Gamefreak was really confused as to what the Westerners really wanted and you can tell they didn't really know what they were doing. They still don't, you can tell that they don't have the heart in following the new ESG guidelines and making everyone look ugly, they're just doing it because their superiors are telling them this is what Americans want. Nilantic have recently pozzed up Pokemon GO, but since they're from San Francisco this sort of thing is more natural to them.

For better or for worse, Gen 5 was the last time that Gamefreak put any sort of soul into the franchise. Gen 6 had that too to a degree, you could tell they had grand plans for their first 3D entry, but they tried backpedaling way too hard after the Gen 5 controversy by pandering to Kanto fans and their tech was simply not up to snuff. They couldn't do everything they wanted, awful performance during normal play and especially triple battles is the best example of their lack of optimization.
Gen 7 was a special case, I think it worked but you could tell that a different approach was taken. The good, and the bad, came from that new approach as you could still see the same atrophy that set in during Gen 6 if you looked deep enough. As of Gen 8, and now Gen 9, the decay is unquestionable. I wish Pokemon would go back to stupid controversies like this one with Lenora, rather than the likes of Dexit or the 70$ DLCs or the recent ugly trainers and DEI. At least back then, Gamefreak genuinely wanted to make a better product, even if they did stupid shit to get there, these days they can't even pretend to care.

Honestly I think they’ll be a few more gens before the people making the games find their grove again.

As I’ve said. You can tell they actually liked Legends and had a direction that would have worked with SV if not for the performance issues. I think if they can stop those from happening things will be.

 

[Down_the_what]

Honestly I think they’ll be a few more gens before the people making the games find their grove again.

As I’ve said. You can tell they actually liked Legends and had a direction that would have worked with SV if not for the performance issues. I think if they can stop those from happening things will be.

Also since the next will be release next year they might have more time for it.

I think some of SV problems where also that it and LA where both made together at the same time that why some stuffs from LA where not carried over to SV (like shiny sparkles , frostbite and the PokeBall capture mechanic) since there trying to experiments some stuffs on both games.

 

[Noxe]

To try and bring this topic from going into further discussion about waifus and which is woke or not(the inevitability of every Pokemon discussion), I'm curious if it's actually good. You see a lot of discussion about it on /vp/, but they're not exactly well known for their tastes. Since this is the memey imageboard romhacks, it could just be that people recommend it out of the "obligation" that you play it if you visit 4 or 8chan.
Since I'm going on something of a ride with Pokemon romhacks right now, do sell me on this one if anyone here played it. I know very little about it.

It's really good imo. Not Kaizo level bullshit but you do actually have to have some kind of strategy. Like towards the end of the game and the post game you'll need semi comp / comp build pokemon.

It's got the obvious 4chan humor and stuff but there's a lot of soul in it. Idk what kind of stuff you like in a rom. My favorite is just collecting the nice fakemon. Alot of people do think it's probably one of the best romhacks just gameplay wise.

 

[30+GameOvers]

It's got the obvious 4chan humor and stuff but there's a lot of soul in it. Idk what kind of stuff you like in a rom. My favorite is just collecting the nice fakemon. Alot of people do think it's probably one of the best romhacks just gameplay wise.

I like competitive in Pokemon because it gives you a purpose to breed/train/collect Pokemon long after the main story. Pokemon single player was always underwhelming and too easy, it rarely even plays with the new gameplay mechanics introduced(how many double battles were there in Ruby/Sapphire again?). Once you're done with the game, that's when you put your skills to the test in either Battle Facilities or online. Kinda feels pointless to collect more Pokemon if there is nothing to do with them, that's one reason why I just don't enjoy first two gens as much(In FR/LG you can send the Pokemon you train to other games and HG/SS has a Battle Frontier so it fixes that problem. Crystal's Battle Tower is ass so I don't count it). Then again, if the game really does require a modicum of skill to play thru it, I guess that adds at least some nuance to the training and collection part of the game. It's one thing to use the most powerful Pokemon available, it's another(and often more fun) to try out less used ones and try to make them work. If I can create an interesting party and play around with the game's mechanics instead of just blindly pressing the "Super Effective" button all game like I do in most mainline single player campaigns, that would be great.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

(how many double battles were there in Ruby/Sapphire again?).

So few that people are surprised when you have to double battle the twins and realise that their single player team is not prepped for it and get smashed.

I think less than 10 that you have to bother with.

(Bulbapedia never has the real important info on it lol)

I should know an exact number in a few days. Doing a run through.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

@30+GameOvers
Honestly, I neve realy noticed the Africans in PLA... though you mentioning them... oh...

I get Unova, since the USA got he slave trade.
I get Kalos, since France got an influx of Arabs and took over a lot of Africa.
I get Alola, since Hawai'i was once Polynesian country.
I get Galar, sinc England got links to India, South Africa... and a lot of Africa, honestly.
I get Paldea, sinc Españ̃a got not only invaded by the Moors but also has a very strong Latino influence, which also got he slave trade.

...but Hisui and Sinnoh, based on Hokkaido, especially ancient Hokkaido..?
...
That is not right.

On Penny being trans, that is mainly the Tumblr hair, the being targetted of bullying, and the traits that appear autistic. TVTropes also claim Eevee being popular with trannies, Sylveon having tranny colours, Penny being a shy computer geek (a field filled with trannies) and Penny's baggy clothes being relatable to trannies who do not feel commfortable showing their natural bodies. Honestly, all of those are big reaches to me.

 

[Kurohige]

On Penny being trans, that is mainly the Tumblr hair, the being targetted of bullying, and the traits that appear autistic. TVTropes also claim Eevee being popular with trannies, Sylveon having tranny colours, Penny being a shy computer geek (a field filled with trannies) and Penny's baggy clothes being relatable to trannies who do not feel commfortable showing their natural bodies. Honestly, all of those are big reaches to me.

From the entire bullshit that was Team Star to her battle theme, Penny exudes the same energy most teenagers have in private, where they believe themselves to be "the baddest motherfuckers on Earth," thus it is imperative that you don't trifle with them. Then, when you actually see them, they're some twink/petiti whose only claim to their self-assured edginess is most likely their aesthetics (le two tone hair or dark clothing).

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

From the entire bullshit that was Team Star to her battle theme, Penny exudes the same energy most teenagers have in private, where they believe themselves to be "the baddest motherfuckers on Earth," thus it is imperative that you don't trifle with them. Then, when you actually see them, they're some twink/petiti whose only claim to their self-assured edginess is most likely their aesthetics (le two tone hair or dark clothing).

That is Middle School Syndrome, no?
Then again, that actually makes more sense, since Chuunibyou is of Nipponese origin.

 

[mrs thickness]

To try and bring this topic from going into further discussion about waifus and which is woke or not(the inevitability of every Pokemon discussion), I'm curious if it's actually good. You see a lot of discussion about it on /vp/, but they're not exactly well known for their tastes. Since this is the memey imageboard romhacks, it could just be that people recommend it out of the "obligation" that you play it if you visit 4 or 8chan.
Since I'm going on something of a ride with Pokemon romhacks right now, do sell me on this one if anyone here played it. I know very little about it.

I'm actually pretty fresh off of a replay of Clover's Kanto equivalent and was looking for an excuse to sperg out about it (there's a whole ass johto postgame equivalent that's apparently it's own game worth of content, but I always get burnt out at that point.)

It's undeniably high-effort and full of soul. The humor and memes are something you'll know you like or not within five minutes, so it's not really worth discussing, though I think Clover particularly excels at using pokemon's, like, engine in really creative ways for delivering humor. I don't even want to give any examples, they're all brilliant and very clever. The music is also exceptional when it wants to be; here's a few select favorites of mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKoUWbHWung

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z58CNt3Bk3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcD6tozPmvM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zMu70VlhI

Spoiler: blah blah blah niggaaaa

Clover's a soft level cap type of hack, and it leaves a comfy amount of leeway before gutting your exp gains. I think around 5+ levels of whatever gym leader you need to beat before it increases. It's also an EXP ALL type of game, which is really convenient if you want to train some new mons or if part of your team's core uses a bulky pivot whose job is to just sit around for 100 turns and goon. There's even a trainer house in the Vermilion City equivalent that you can use for EXP grinding, but it only updates with every new badge obtained and some of the stretches between badges can get pretty long. This can be pretty annoying if you get stuck, which is a good excuse for me to start bitching about some things.

Clover is FAR from the worst about this sort of thing, but boss trainers are pretty well optimized (good natures, competitive held items, coverage, minmaxed EVs, perfect IVs) and will use healing items, so sometimes your team will just have matchup problems, especially for one particularly notorious midgame mexican, and you won't have much recourse but to train and bring in someone new. That can be all well and good, but Clover really puts the fucking sticks to you if you want to optimize pre-E4. You don't get to fix IVs and there aren't any nature mints. You can get around natures by farming one of two mons that have synchronize (they're common, thankfully) and breeding, but the day-care is in a spot that sucks absolute shit and there's no convenient straightaways in the region; the best you've got is the underground nearby. You can actually get a decent repertoire of leftovers and choice items by around the midway point, but the problem is that many of them are missable (tied to trainers that you need to thief from in a game with no rematches) or require wiki warrioring to realistically find (rare held items from wild encounters, so have fun setting up the slot 1 compoundeyes and grinding encounters.) I really want to drive home this aspect of the game because there were so many points where I was using something fast that needs to go first, but would fail to go first despite being +SPD and scarfed because the boss's mons just have maxed numbers. I do think you can get through the game OK just using the guys you think look cool, there was a guy on youtube that did monotype nuzlockes of clover at one point, but you'd really know to know your bullshit and how to maximize it.

It also squanders it's replayability in a few unfortunate ways. You've got wonder trades and a NG+ feature which are nice boons, but another thing you don't get to play with until post-E4 is hidden abilities (barring grottos which you have no control over and apparently three dream items I have never found), which fucking SUCKS because many of them open up completely different playstyles and are often totally unique. Your options for team and build variety are even further hampered by the shitty Actually Good Item availibility; Clover has a lot of mons with Thick Club-esque items that you don't get until post-E4, and a similar amount of Guts/Quick Feet-ers in a game that I still can't tell you where the fuck a flame/toxic orb is. Oh yeah, also, several route trainers use knock off, so either constantly micromanage your held items or just accept you might lose them forever and eat shit.

It also feels like every fucking area in the second half of the game is a teleporter/slider tile puzzle.

But yes I do recommend Clover. With this open https://clover-wiki-replacement.netlify.app/ There's also, strangely, a Clover subreddit which also has a lot of helpful tips and information.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I wonder... what are this thread's thoughts on Pokémon Sage?

 

[Kurohige]

I wonder... what are this thread's thoughts on Pokémon Sage?

That game actually came out beyond the demo?

 

[BlazikenLover]

Also since the next will be release next year they might have more time for it.

I think some of SV problems where also that it and LA where both made together at the same time that why some stuffs from LA where not carried over to SV (like shiny sparkles , frostbite and the PokeBall capture mechanic) since there trying to experiments some stuffs on both games.

Wasn't one of the reasons why PLA had decent performance due to the help they got from monolith? And gamefreak refused their help for SV

 

[Down_the_what]

Wasn't one of the reasons why PLA had decent performance due to the help they got from monolith? And gamefreak refused their help for SV

Monolith help them with area zero in SV.