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[Molly White's Breast Milk]

I got to say it's weird that they start with Rich point out that Star Wars is just a fairy tale with lasers and spaceships instead of magic (except for the Force and ghosts) only to than have the rest of the video being Mike praising Andor for being a dark serious spin on the series and thinking about the logistics of a galactic empire.

Mike going on about showing the logistics of empire building reminds me of George RR Martin's "What is Aragorn's tax policy?" quote. I liked Andor but it's not a great Star Wars show.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I can't seem to find the clip, but there was one episode of Star Trek about Barclay's holodeck addiction where he's the swashbuckling hero that gets the TNG waifus while Geordi, Picard, and Riker all have to be derpy nerds. At one point, Musketeer Riker said, "Am I late?! Did I miss the fight?!" That's the energy of this review. It's way too late in the Youtube algorithm to push Andor reviews and we all know they don't care about Star Wars anyways. I'm more mad at them for their schizo Picard reviews because they actually are TNG connoisseurs.

 

[sneedem&feedem]

I feel like the team really doubles down on "the prequels were awful" and "George Lucas can't write" which, even if it was true for the time they came out, nowadays are a master class compared to modern writers and media in general.

Shitting on the prequels is like comfort food for RLM and their audience. They've grown a strange fondness for them much like some of the schlock they watch on Best of the Worst. Their primary audience will also not give any pushback and they also don't care that they're ultimately not saying anything new about the prequels.

What's amusing to me is that they don't realize that this says a lot more about what a complete fucking waste of time the sequel trilogy was. Despite fairly high praise from RLM (for TFA on release) and actively correcting many problems that they had with the prequels; it has left absolutely no impression on them. Their constant complaints and allusions to the prequel trilogy demonstrate that they have far more staying power than any of the sequels.

 

[marvlouslie]

Mike isn't a corpo shill. Though, I could see how one could come to the conclusion, especially considering how much both Mike and Jay coomed over The Force Awakens and Rogue One. They've offered plenty of criticism after The Last Jedi shit the bed and whatever the fuck the ninth movie was called (I've long since stopped caring, I've actually blanked on a lot of nu Star Wars shit). I highly doubt they're actually thrilled about anything Disney is doing now, and you can actually see the utter look of disdain on their face when they actually feel the need to discuss anything related to Star Wars nowadays.

 

[Well Intentioned]

I got to say it's weird that they start with Rich point out that Star Wars is just a fairy tale with lasers and spaceships instead of magic (except for the Force and ghosts) only to than have the rest of the video being Mike praising Andor for being a dark serious spin on the series and thinking about the logistics of a galactic empire.

You must've missed the part where they said (paraphrased): "if we're going to have Star Wars going on in perpetuity, Andor is the sort of shit Disney should've been doing 10 years ago."

 

[King Dead]

I think the most ironic thing about this re:View is how they appreciated how it built out the setting and said Disney should have been doing this all along...completely ignoring the fact that the old EU did exactly that for decades through books, comics, and video games, fleshing out the universe for those that wanted to delve deeper but not necessary to enjoy the main films. For added irony, remember that they have also repeatedly mocked the entire concept of having things developed in this additional material, both in one of the Plinkett reviews where Mike said that books didn't count and in their "top 10 Vader suit facts" video where they made fun of a Wookiepedia article.

Disney Star Wars is still terrible even if Andor is slightly less terrible, and everyone at Lucasfilm is a hack fraud, especially Dave Filoni the wolfaboo pedo. I miss George.

Shitting on the prequels is like comfort food for RLM and their audience. They've grown a strange fondness for them much like some of the schlock they watch on Best of the Worst. Their primary audience will also not give any pushback and they also don't care that they're ultimately not saying anything new about the prequels.

What's amusing to me is that they don't realize that this says a lot more about what a complete fucking waste of time the sequel trilogy was. Despite fairly high praise from RLM (for TFA on release) and actively correcting many problems that they had with the prequels; it has left absolutely no impression on them. Their constant complaints and allusions to the prequel trilogy demonstrate that they have far more staying power than any of the sequels.

Also this. People will be making prequel memes for decades to come, ain't nobody give a shit about the sequels enough to bother.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Shitting on the prequels is like comfort food for RLM and their audience. They've grown a strange fondness for them much like some of the schlock they watch on Best of the Worst. Their primary audience will also not give any pushback and they also don't care that they're ultimately not saying anything new about the prequels.

What's amusing to me is that they don't realize that this says a lot more about what a complete fucking waste of time the sequel trilogy was. Despite fairly high praise from RLM (for TFA on release) and actively correcting many problems that they had with the prequels; it has left absolutely no impression on them. Their constant complaints and allusions to the prequel trilogy demonstrate that they have far more staying power than any of the sequels.

What annoys me is that the argument was that the prequel was bad world building, with the argument being that it was silly (of course only using The Phantom Menace as example). But if you actually think about it, the prequel trilogy had pretty intelligent story, of how the villain controls both sides of a conflict for the sake of voting himself with absolute power.

 

[Ginebra]

What annoys me is that the argument was that the prequel was bad world building, with the argument being that it was silly (of course only using The Phantom Menace as example). But if you actually think about it, the prequel trilogy had pretty intelligent story, of how the villain controls both sides of a conflict for the sake of voting himself with absolute power.

eh thats the thing with some media. the core of the story is interesting, but the way it was told is so messy and bloated that the resulting abortion makes you grieve because it could have been told better.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

eh thats the thing with some media. the core of the story is interesting, but the way it was told is so messy and bloated that the resulting abortion makes you grieve because it could have been told better.

I don't find it really messy or bloated, those are usually the cases if you have too many characters (not in this case) or the villain's plan is too complex to be real. At most the action setpieces get too long. But it's not a story you need some youtuber spending two hours to explain what happens, where most modern media think constitutes as a good story.

 

[Snortack623]

i was just happy they were happy

 

[eatler]

completely ignoring the fact that the old EU did exactly that for decades through books, comics, and video games, fleshing out the universe for those that wanted to delve deeper but not necessary to enjoy the main films.

Yeah I think the big issue with books and games is that half of the magic of star wars is enjoying the knockoff Flash Gordon space magic. Also I just remember even with all the books that I even had fatigue trying to keep up with all the lore of it. Books are easily mass produced so you could make a lot of stories in short amount of times and what translates great for books probably wouldn’t work for the films as a whole.

What annoys me is that the argument was that the prequel was bad world building, with the argument being that it was silly (of course only using The Phantom Menace as example). But if you actually think about it, the prequel trilogy had pretty intelligent story, of how the villain controls both sides of a conflict for the sake of voting himself with absolute power.

I agree with ginebra, sorry those movies weren’t exicuted well. Due to a mixture of not amazing CGI (but still great for the time), a director who didn’t know what made his film good, not great acting and too many popcorn film influenced action scenes it lead to not a great movie and you still can’t really convince me otherwise. The plus side of the original Star Wars being made in the late 70s early 80s was a lot of films were very no nonsense, there were sequels but each one had to be its own movie. It was original smart for George to rip off of Flash Gordon because the framework was there. Everything had to be handcrafted too which always takes more time and effort so not only does it add a tangible aspect too but also limits how crazy a scene can truly get. Because the nature of the old 40s cereals you had to chop it up to certain beats over having to overtly explain how things work in a universe or why a character is likeable. The prequel do the opposite of everything the star wars movies did and it arguably suffered.

Now to completely back track everything I just said about the OG movies and talk about streaming. Now is the best time for Star Wars to make products that are made with weirder and more intricate stories. People watching a series want to be engrossed in an interesting world. As a Netflix series it finally has the time to really marinate and develop into something that movies couldn’t tell in an hour or two run time. If it weren’t for the fact that they tried recapturing the magic of the films we probably would have less disenfranchised people excited for Disney movies. But now you can transcribe a lot of those books (the good ones at Least) and make it into a Netflix series too. If Disney could corse correct and just make their films at least average I think we could have better products than the sequels.

Hopefully that didn’t come off schitzo babbley

 

[Introvertigo]

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[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Mike isn't a corpo shill. Though, I could see how one could come to the conclusion, especially considering how much both Mike and Jay coomed over The Force Awakens and Rogue One. They've offered plenty of criticism after The Last Jedi shit the bed and whatever the fuck the ninth movie was called (I've long since stopped caring, I've actually blanked on a lot of nu Star Wars shit). I highly doubt they're actually thrilled about anything Disney is doing now, and you can actually see the utter look of disdain on their face when they actually feel the need to discuss anything related to Star Wars nowadays.

That's the thing, they don't have to now for years. Disney Wars is a near dead topic for Fandom Menace to laugh at. They've made not addressing current media in a timely matter their MO, so for them to talk about current Disney Wars a year late is completely pointless on every level.

 

[Judge Holden]

Mike isn't a corpo shill. Though, I could see how one could come to the conclusion, especially considering how much both Mike and Jay coomed over The Force Awakens and Rogue One. They've offered plenty of criticism after The Last Jedi shit the bed and whatever the fuck the ninth movie was called (I've long since stopped caring, I've actually blanked on a lot of nu Star Wars shit). I highly doubt they're actually thrilled about anything Disney is doing now, and you can actually see the utter look of disdain on their face when they actually feel the need to discuss anything related to Star Wars nowadays.

Honestly while their overly enthusiastic opinions on TFA have aged about as poorly as a certain other complete fucking retard fuckbag queer's cheery reaction to Disney buying the franchise...



...it has to be said the context was VASTLY different in terms of how hardcore and casual star wars fans were expecting things to go in terms of quality moving forwards before Rian Johnson came along and subverted these expectations

I remember distinctly it was seen largely as a decent first part of what would eventually be a brettygud trilogy, and while nobody would say it was flawless, it was generally assumed that many of the more glaring questions raised explicitly or implicitly by the story would be answered halfway satisfactorily by the time the new trilogy was over and that the end product when viewed in totality would be fine but probably not super great or anything.

The reason these expectations were held was because any two bit fanfic writer could happily take the opener provided by TFA and create a workable general synopsis and concept for the rest of the trilogy in a way that was not just a mindless copypaste of the original trilogy, and given the amount of money disney had burned on this it was absolutely fucking unthinkable that they would let some giggling retard obsessed with being seen as an auteur just torch literally fucking all of it....

Moreover the mere suggestion they would intentionally give the shittest and least satisfying answers possible to all the mystery box questions raised in the first movie while annihilating any vague story thread with promise from the original trilogy or the previous movie, all as part of some autistic obsession with "owning" those fans who were eagerly speculating what narratively satisfying and competently written payoff would come in the next movie, would have been seen as near schizo level autism at best, and straight up trolling by most.

I mean just think about it....who the fuck would intentionally do something so fucking stupid solely so he and his filmtwitter sycophants could whack off about how clever and brave he was for the most basic ass concepts and story beats that had already been in the franchise since the original trilogy, only now wrapped up in smug Joss Whedon tier snark "humor" and coom over how much of a smarty pants he was for destroying any and all investment was built up in the story from previous movies and other works...

Obviously hindsight made those who were initially optimistic look rather fucking foolish but honestly ask yourselves....did any of you really fucking think back in 2014-2015 it would wind up so unfathomably fucking shit by the end of the nu-trilogy? If they were guilty of anything in their TFA review it was assuming the most basic fucking competence and investment in the franchise on the part of Disney, which is something they have long since discarded by now

Its like if they were food critics who gave glowing reviews of a forgettable starter dish because they had high hopes for the main course and dessert, only for the main course to just be a towering mound of nigger shit from which an AIDs infected hobo leapt out to forcibly assfuck the customer while yodelling dixieland, and the dessert to be a comically large bowl containing the semen and haemorrhoid pus of every special needs person in the city of Gary IN collected and fermented over a three and a half week period

Clearly they were very silly to give good reviews right out the gate but there was no way in hell they could have expected what came next...

 

[Mola Ram]

...only for the main course to just be a towering mound of nigger shit from which an AIDs infected hobo leapt out to forcibly assfuck the customer while yodelling dixieland, and the dessert to be a comically large bowl containing the semen and haemorrhoid pus of every special needs person in the city of Gary IN collected and fermented over a three and a half week period

Well it's a more favorable review of The Last Jedi than I'd give, but solid points nonetheless.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Mike isn't a corpo shill. Though, I could see how one could come to the conclusion, especially considering how much both Mike and Jay coomed over The Force Awakens and Rogue One. They've offered plenty of criticism after The Last Jedi shit the bed and whatever the fuck the ninth movie was called (I've long since stopped caring, I've actually blanked on a lot of nu Star Wars shit). I highly doubt they're actually thrilled about anything Disney is doing now, and you can actually see the utter look of disdain on their face when they actually feel the need to discuss anything related to Star Wars nowadays.

That's the thing, they don't have to now for years. Disney Wars is a near dead topic for Fandom Menace to laugh at. They've made not addressing current media in a timely matter their MO, so for them to talk about current Disney Wars a year late is completely pointless on every level.

...it has to be said the context was VASTLY different in terms of how hardcore and casual star wars fans were expecting things to go in terms of quality moving forwards before Rian Johnson came along and subverted these expectations

Even outside of Rian Johnson, all the spin-offs did really was what the EU did, but they did it all through the lens of a Saturday Morning Cartoon producer name Dave Filoni, so they took good ideas and then made them terrible, with Thrawn being the highest profile plagiarism. Andor is really a show for people embarrassed to be watching Star Wars by wishing it was a dour, dreary adult show like Sons of Anarchy or Breaking Bad or whatever instead of the pulp adventure series it always was. We've seen what happens when a media property caters too closely to the demands of Gen X nerds and we get the Sequel Trilogy; derivative and somehow even more nonsensical than the Prequels. The Prequels are clunky movies, but I can understand what happens in them. Disney Wars media, when examined in depth, is the opposite of what the OT stood for.

 

[Idiotron]

considering how much both Mike and Jay coomed over The Force Awakens and Rogue One

Oh, they sure coomed all over Rogue One.

 

[BScCollateral]

Oh, they sure coomed all over Rogue One.

Some retards have never seen anything but Angry Reviewers their entire fucking life, so they think "It... wasn't awful" is a rave.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Patreon Update:

Hey everyone! We've got a handful of videos that are already shot/produced and in various stages of editing. The next thing being released will probably be Mike and Rich finally talking about that ancient TV show Andor. Remember Star Wars???? They finally watched the recent new Star War. In addition to that, Colin was in town and we shot a re:View for Predator 2 as well as watched the latest Neil Breen film Cade: The Tortured Crossing! In addition to those, we have another animated Spitballs video coming as well. Just need to do sound mixing and some minor editing to that one. Lots to work on!

I also bet since Colin was in town, that there also be a review of Dune Part 2. Seeing how he and Jay reviewed part 1.

 

[crowabunga]

Don't take me back to a time when I had hope; retroactively asserting cynicism of my expectations for post-Force Awakens media is a cope for the fact that I once had any expectation of good long-term outcomes.

If I can just imagine things were always clearly destined to be shit, dealing with current-day shit being shit isn't so demoralizing.