Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[King Dead]

Looking back, this wasn't necessarily when I peaked, but it was the first instance I can remember where I thought that a troon specifically was being kind of a shithead, and how weird it was that people were excusing them because they were a tranny.

I'm sure plenty of people remember John Campbell, author of the webcomic Pictures for Sad Children. I thoroughly enjoyed the comic even when updates got sporadic, its absurd and dark humor fitting in perfectly with other influences on me around that time like Adult Swim's lineup. Then there was the whole debacle with the Kickstarter for the physical book of PFSC comics, in which he basically told people "haha fuck you I'm not finishing these deliveries," filmed himself burning books and threatening to burn even more if people complained. People were rightly upset, but then he trooned out and all of a sudden nobody was saying anything bad about him anymore, because he was a stunning and brave transwoman and we all just needed to respect his mental needs.

This was like a decade ago, so it was still before the current gender madness, but I still remember thinking at the time that it was pretty shitty of him to do that, that I couldn't ever see the guy as a woman (I had to look up what he changed his name to, and I had to laugh that he now refers to himself as "Simone Veil"), and that it was utterly retarded people weren't continuing to call him out because of his feels. It was just the first in a long line of events that would lead to peaking.

 

[cyber insecurity]

I peaked a few months ago, when I decided to actually look into the community I was blindly supporting and ask myself questions instead of agreeing with whatever was considered "good" by other leftists. All it took is just reading their posts on twitter and in their subreddits. Go to r/MtF, search for "womanhood" or "femininity" - boom, pure peakfuel. They think TERFs and conservatives are their worst enemies, when it's actually themselves.

It all falls apart when you start to think about it. What does it mean to feel like a man/woman? How can they know they feel like a man/woman when they aren't one? They can only base it on their assumptions about what actual men/women think. I am a woman. Do I feel like a woman? I don't feel like anything at all. According to their logic I'm supposed to be agender then? But I'm a woman, I don't feel any particular way about it, I just am.
What is gender? From what I understand it's a set of expectations and stereotypes society imposes on you based on your sex. But they say it's some vague innate "feeling". So you're born with a gender? Is it like, in your genes to prefer dresses over pants and vice versa??? I think gender is a very weird and wobbly concept in general, but that's for another thread.

Looking into detrans communities opened my eyes on a lot of lies TRAs tell. HRT is fully reversible! No, it's not, at least not entirely. HRT is perfectly safe! No, it's not. It makes women develop ovarian cancer, how the fuck is that safe and healthy? Teenagers know exactly what they want and won't regret it in adulthood! No, many of them will, and I expect to see more and more detransitioners in the future. The frontal lobe, which is responsible for long-time planning isn't fully developed until like 23. It's physically impossible for kids to plan that far. Especially since they're being fed blatant lies, like "estrogen makes you age better". They don't stand a chance, it's just sad.

And then there's this whole "trans people are just born in the wrong body" thing. I thought we were all about bodypositivity here, what happened? Since when is that an acceptable thing to say? "You are a man trapped in a female body". A body someone was born with can be wrong? And changing it with hormones and surgery is encouraged and celebrated? How is that different from people getting plastic surgery? "Patriarchal eurocentric beauty standards" my ass, maybe she was just born with a wrong nose, wrong cheekbones, wrong eyelids, wrong lips, wrong ass and wrong tits, wrong fucking everything. This sounds insane, how is turning your dick inside out or attaching a weird neophallus made out of hairy arm skin to your crotch any different? I've also subjected myself to the trauma of looking at SRS results online. Even the relatively "successful" ones looked bad. I'll be seeing Keffal's prolapsed urethra in my nightmares. Complications are a whole another (horror) story.

I don't know what to do now. There's no going back once you peak, I can't unsee it. People my age are either full-blown far-right nazis or snowflake genderspecials, both are insufferable and i can't relate to any of these. I guess I'll stick with the latter and wait until they outgrow their "fae/faer xe/xem nyan/nyanself" phase. I have a lot more to say but I'm tired of typing and should probably do something more important than sperging about trannies online.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

People my age are either full-blown far-right nazis or snowflake genderspecials

Not really.

And even if you have friends or acquaintances who support genderspecial/tranny nonsense, it's pretty easy to get along with them if you aren't the kind of person who speaks their every thought. I have multiple people in my life who would literally never contact me again if they knew I was regularly on KF - but they don't, because I don't talk about it, and just provide noncommittal reactions whenever they mention troon shit.

It's entirely possible to get along with people who have different opinions than you. Now, if they were demanding that I actually openly support troonism, that would be a different matter. But just like I can listen to my Uncle Bob talk about 5g chemtrail gay frog water microchips and not start a fight with him, I can listen to a friend mention their "enby" pal or bitch about their manager "misgendering" someone and not start a fight with that friend.

People are much more inflammatory online than they are in the real world, and in my opinion, purposely starting shit with others during casual conversation makes you a dickhead no matter the topic.

 

[quackrock]

I guess I'll stick with the latter and wait until they outgrow their "fae/faer xe/xem nyan/nyanself" phase.

Join the far-right, we have sweet tea and kolaches.

And even if you have friends or acquaintances who support genderspecial/tranny nonsense, it's pretty easy to get along with them if you aren't the kind of person who speaks their every thought. I have multiple people in my life who would literally never contact me again if they knew I was regularly on KF - but they don't, because I don't talk about it, and just provide noncommittal reactions whenever they mention troon shit.

What a wretched existence. The standard you walk by is the standard you accept. If I'd fallen for this shit as a kid, ruined my body, and later learned adults I trusted knew better but sat on their tongues, I'd never trust them again.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't know what to do now.

DIE YOU FUCKING BARNEYFAG!

 

[Murry Loon]

tl;dr

nice to see you here

thread tax: when I realized everyone around me was really annoying & made me miserable [~6 years hrt]

 

[TruffleSpark]

I don't know what to do now. There's no going back once you peak, I can't unsee it. People my age are either full-blown far-right nazis or snowflake genderspecials, both are insufferable and i can't relate to any of these. I guess I'll stick with the latter and wait until they outgrow their "fae/faer xe/xem nyan/nyanself" phase. I have a lot more to say but I'm tired of typing and should probably do something more important than sperging about trannies online.

I've had a few conversations with leftists (especially older ones) who will admit behind closed doors that they think genderspecial stuff is nonsense. But that they are also too scared to openly oppose it lest they be cast out of the left. It's weird how thoroughly this has taken over left wing politics. Maybe it's becuase the modern left is dominated by middle/upper class people who feel far more comfortable talking about identity as an axis of oppression, because that's something that they can relate to. But they can't talk about class because they have nothing in common with the proletariat.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I've had a few conversations with leftists (especially older ones) who will admit behind closed doors that they think genderspecial stuff is nonsense. But that they are also too scared to openly oppose it lest they be cast out of the left. It's weird how thoroughly this has taken over left wing politics. Maybe it's becuase the modern left is dominated by middle/upper class people who feel far more comfortable talking about identity as an axis of oppression, because that's something that they can relate to. But they can't talk about class because they have nothing in common with the proletariat.

As early as the 1970s, organizations like the SDS and Weather underground were openly dismissive of the white working class because of their complete disinterest in left wing socio-political causes.

Their neglecting of class consciousness isn't just because they can't truly relate to the working class, but because the working class does not want anything they could offer anyway. Identity politics was the only way to go in countries that weren't complete backwards shitholes like Russia or China, and even the latter relied heavily on identity politics.

The left's embrace of troondom was inevitable. Even under capitalism, the working class can improve their lot in life by negotiating higher wages or by supporting reforms, the capitalists themselves can thwart any commie uprising simply by giving the working class what they demand. Even under capitalism, race relations can improve to the point where the issue of race becomes more or less a non-issue, unless said leftists intentionally stir up racial conflict by screwing over black people and redirecting their frustration towards white people in general.

But troons will feel oppressed no matter what, because reality itself oppresses the troons. Hence despite their blatantly upper-class degeneracy, troons make the perfect commie footsoldiers because the feelings of resentment and powerlessness is omnipresent no matter how good they have it. The same cannot be said for working class people or racial minorities.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

If I'd fallen for this shit as a kid, ruined my body, and later learned adults I trusted knew better but sat on their tongues, I'd never trust them again.

There are no children in my life, or the lives of the people I know, who are involved in troonism. Any time it's mentioned to me, it's always about an adult who made the choice to troon out as an adult.

 

[Thursday]

Not really.

And even if you have friends or acquaintances who support genderspecial/tranny nonsense, it's pretty easy to get along with them if you aren't the kind of person who speaks their every thought. I have multiple people in my life who would literally never contact me again if they knew I was regularly on KF - but they don't, because I don't talk about it, and just provide noncommittal reactions whenever they mention troon shit.

It's entirely possible to get along with people who have different opinions than you. Now, if they were demanding that I actually openly support troonism, that would be a different matter. But just like I can listen to my Uncle Bob talk about 5g chemtrail gay frog water microchips and not start a fight with him, I can listen to a friend mention their "enby" pal or bitch about their manager "misgendering" someone and not start a fight with that friend.

Having to walk on eggshells around genderspecials for 10+ years is part of what made me peak in the first place.
I'm sure some people are completely fine keeping their thoughts to themselves to maintain friendships/acquaintances but to what ends? It was isolating and infuriating to play pretend with people who would want me dead if I didn't agree that children should be sterilized and put on drugs.

It's best to seek out the company of people who can handle you having different opinions/worldviews than having to perpetually censor yourself to maintain your status with said people. Hell I even started finding trans people I could openly disagree with about this shit to befriend recently.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

There are no children in my life, or the lives of the people I know, who are involved in troonism

You lucky bastard.

It's so disturbingly common for them to be involved in troonism.

 

[Aunt Carol]

You lucky bastard.

It's so disturbingly common for them to be involved in troonism.

It can happen so quickly, too. Kids live a lot faster than adults, fads and crazes sweep across a school, and the affirmation philosophy from other adults can unpredictably potentiate it.

Parents aren't helpless, but unless you know for certain that every parent in your friend group has also peaked and is ready for it to hit their family, the kid is going to be spiraling while the parent is trying to speedrun from tolerance to TTD, on their own, surrounded by handmaidens, while worried about the child whom they love.

But I earnestly hope @Polexia Aphrodisia continues to have a lack of "child transitioners," both from general well-wishing, and as a sign that some communities are staying resistant.

 

[cyber insecurity]

it's pretty easy to get along with them if you aren't the kind of person who speaks their every thought

I'm not, I'm the exact opposite, I don't like having to justify my beliefs and opinions to other people. But that doesn't mean I won't become resentful of someone after listening to their nonsence for too long.

 

[doodoocaca]

A stranger I've never met sitting and lurking in a chat when people are playing a FPS video game speaks through a potato microphone. "I did not understand what he said" made the crypto-troon freak out.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

I was never really on board with this shit, particularly self ID. I noticed about 10 years ago how much of a fad it was becoming. It irked me a little that anyone could just say they were a new gender or no gender at will and get praise online as though they had done something. A white dude attending a prestigious school with, frankly, privilege (lol) could somehow identify as a victim and get extra social capital for it.

Still, I figured this was a fad. That, like gay rights, once we could get some basic rights down on paper and adopt a live and let live attitude, it'll stop being so fucking annoying and in your face. As we all can see, I was completely fucking wrong. A lot of what happens next was simultaneous. This is going to be long, and for that I am sorry. I've spoilered it at least.

1. JRK

Spoiler: JKR sperg

I'm too old to care about Harry Potter, but any children's book series that's so beloved is a good thing in my view. So I was shocked to see people start viciously declaring it transphobic. The vitriol was so intense I had to investigate. I read her essay and browsed her twitter and I found myself agreeing with everything she said. And there's not a hateful bone in her body, she wasn't transphobic at all. People were lying about her and creating a hate mob just like they accuse transphobes of doing to trans people. All of these TRAs were threatening to rape her to death. It was terrifying even if expected on the internet. This was a situation where every part of it was completely the opposite of how it was portrayed in convential and social media. You have to wonder at that point what else they are lying about.

2. The Misogyny

Spoiler: Misogyny sperg

As I already alluded to, TRAs act like any other dude on the internet, threatening sexual violence against women they are angry at. And even more on brand is the fact that they are angry at women for discussing womanhood. I'm not some feminist, and I'm not even a woman. But you don't have to be any of that to see this stuff for what it is. In every arena, from sports to bathrooms to shelters, the people who have to give something up is women. They are the key stakeholders in this stuff and yet they are the targets of the most anger when they try to make their case. What we are seeing is the rolling back of every sex based protection imaginable in service of people with penises. The sex segregations dont't exist to protect men, and this is not an issue that even applies to trans men because they are women and women's spaces will always be open to them whether they want them or not. All of the energy is in getting men into women's spaces and taking their place.

And the language. Jesus Christ it's insidious and dehumanizing. Chestfeeding? Birthing persons? Menstrautors? Non-men? All of this to make women's issues no longer about women. This was at it's absolute peak after Roe was overturned. Trans women, who cannot have children and should be kept away from them, forcing themselves into a strictly women's issue, and the organizations that should be supporting women refusing to acknowledge their existence. Pure shame. It's no wonder the Democrats had the numbers to force the issue and did nothing about it, because they don't give a shit clearly.

We're all familiar with the parody. The womanface. Dylan Mulvaney is a classic example but we see it in AGPs and really most TiM freaks. They destroy their families and narcissitically abandon their pregant wives because they believe, in addition to various other grotesque stereotypes, that a woman does nothing. That they are excused from putting in effort in life. It's absurd and blatantly motivated by deep internalized hatred. And their wives are left holding the bag. Many TiMs claim that women even being out in public, having romantic relationships, even being victimized and assaulted is "cis" privilege. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think being catcalled or groped is something women like. But of course it fulfills TiM fantasies. Letting fucking AGPs flaunt their fetish in public is not ok. It's not normal and it should be widely condemned and AGPs should be acutely aware we condemn it and are disgusted by it. Trans people welcome this shit and even have taken a position that fetishism is trans.


I'll let this shit speak for itself.

3. The Delusion

Spoiler: Delusion sperg

I trust science. I think it's important for people in general to have some trust in science. I think it's important for people to know basic scientific facts, and especially for kids to have a foundation to move forward in that field if they have the passion for it. Gender Identity is anti-science. First, it's based on a self reported feeling. A feeling of being a woman. How does a man know what a woman feels like? How does a woman even know what a woman feels like? The answer to these questions is they don't. They just live.

The science in the transgender debate is fraught with bias to say the least. It's such a politicized issue that research both for and against is pretty suspect. I didn't want to let anyone tell me how to feel about this, so I have read hundreds of pages of scientific literature at this point. What I'm about to say is not something I like saying. I think what I'm about to say is often dangerous because it opens the door to dismissing anything you don't like. So please understand this is based on really reading the data and the methods: The scientists have sold out. They are human beings who are afraid for their careers or are trying to do something positive for the world beyond just making people healthy. Many of the studies cited by orgs like WPATH have like 5 subjects. The methods often involve convoluted steps to force a result. To the extent that good research exists, there's no indictation that puberty blockers, HRT, and even surgery have positive outcomes on mental health and suicidality. Do not take my word on this. Read the studies. It's all in plain view.

There is also the selective use of gender identity vs sex. Ask a TRA or tranny to define woman. They'll say it's someone who identifies as a woman. Circular ass logic. When you point out places like bathrooms are sex segregated and thus don't really have anything to do with their new fangled concept of gender, they tell you that gender and sex are still related and that it makes troons feel bad. When you ask them why gender isn't binary even if sex is, they say sex and gender are wholly independent. They are as interchangeable as is convenient. It's structured in such a way as to be unfalsifiable. Misogyny has existed across time and culture. It targets women, so woman should have a similar definition across time and culture. And that definition is adult human female, forever and always.

WPATH considers any discussion of detransitioning verboten, even though they are the most well positioned in theory to help these people. They argue about the framing of detransitioning instead of their health and wellbeing. WPATH president and head AGP Marci Bowers subscribes to the study that less than 1% of trans people feel regret. This study is horribly flawed and has been discussed on the farms already. But let's just think about this logically. There is no medical procedure in all of existence that has this low of a regret rate, even life saving ones. And how can cutting off your penis or butchering your vagina have this high of a statisfaction rate? Even an iPhone, a device that delivers on everything the average person needs and more, will top out at 4.5 stars in user reviews. Those of us who know stats realize a 99% satisfaction rate is statistically so unlikely as to be impossible, especially for invasive procedures like these.

4. The Children

Spoiler: Children sperg

This really came to a head with the WPATH leaks earlier this month, but in truth much of that was already known. The doctors really do this stuff to kids, but people plug their ears. Upwards of 90% of kids diagnosed with gender dysphoria make sense of it by age 18 with therapy and the wait-and-see approach. On the opposite end of the spectrum, children given puberty blockers have a 98% chance of moving onto HRT and eventually surgery, with masectomy being the most common. They will tell you that kids kill themselves without these drugs they previously never had access to, and they will tell you that it's all reversible at every step. But neither is true. You can't pretend the treatment pipeline doesn't exist. As I mentioned earlier, the treatments don't even work.

We know from the WPATH leaks the doctors don't believe that the kids can consent or understand. They proceed anyway. We know that the doctors believe the hormones cause cancer. They proceed anyway. We know that they acknowledge these children will never experience orgasm or have kids of their own. They proceed anyway. We know they are aware that patients regret it and even sue. They proceed anyway. We know they don't have any standardized view of what a normal treatment pathway is. They proceed anyway. None of this is ok.

Do a quick search for Gender Pathways Clinic in London, Ontario. This clinic prescribes puberty blockers before the first visit. They give healthy kids drugs for an off label use that can permantly affect their health without even seeing them. But supposedly this never happens.

I am an empathic person. I hate human suffering because I tend to imagine the most morbid emotions one must be feeling. So I invite you to think about this with me for a second. You got genital surgery as a kid or even an adult. You wake up one day, maybe months later. You're scared and this stuff isn't normal. You're in pain and your surgery isn't anything like you thought it would be. Your penis or breasts, something you hated for so long, was really a part of your every day life you didn't realize informed your sense of self. You didn't know before you grew up a little more that you wanted to use these parts with someone else, if only just to try. You are in your most vulnerable state, child or adult, and you ask yourself, "What did I do to myself? Why do I still feel the same as I was before I did all of this shit? Why didn't anyone help me?" Reading the accounts of so many people who end up feeling this way, who have even less support after realizing the made a mistake, and imagining these feelings...fuck it call me a fag but I really wanted to cry for these children and adults. They often have so many other problems and anxieties that need to be addressed to help them and it's all ignored. Instead they get put down a path of incredible self destruction. No one deserves that, especially when their family and doctors who they trusted could have helped them. They need help.

Spoiler: Leftoid call to action

AGPs fetishize the idea of putting children through the shit they poisoned themselves with but from a much younger age. This must be stopped. To anyone who is generally left leaning like me, listen! There are people who agree with us who are willing to admit this stuff is wrong. Do not feel like you're "radicalizing" yourself for having doubts about this bullshit. All the stuff like QAnon, satanic panic that turned out to be mass hysteria? This is different. This is real and the children are being harmed. Protecting kids, women's rights, and respecting reality are not political!

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Not really.

And even if you have friends or acquaintances who support genderspecial/tranny nonsense, it's pretty easy to get along with them if you aren't the kind of person who speaks their every thought. I have multiple people in my life who would literally never contact me again if they knew I was regularly on KF - but they don't, because I don't talk about it, and just provide noncommittal reactions whenever they mention troon shit.

It's entirely possible to get along with people who have different opinions than you. Now, if they were demanding that I actually openly support troonism, that would be a different matter. But just like I can listen to my Uncle Bob talk about 5g chemtrail gay frog water microchips and not start a fight with him, I can listen to a friend mention their "enby" pal or bitch about their manager "misgendering" someone and not start a fight with that friend.

People are much more inflammatory online than they are in the real world, and in my opinion, purposely starting shit with others during casual conversation makes you a dickhead no matter the topic.

The problem is the fact that they force this down your throat. They think they are some kind of unique misunderstood lifestyle that is just emerging. But in reality it's just a mal-adjusted adult that can't be told no because they never grew up. They insist on shoving this shit down your throat when they are in 000.00% position to do so. I don't have any problems with anyone that has a different opinion. I have an issue with someone who is not worth a fuck to listen to thinking they are some authority. Any and all can agree with that. I am adult enough to know that even if you don't like someone they still may have advice or something you can benefit from.

 

[AnOminous]

As I already alluded to, TRAs act like any other dude on the internet, threatening sexual violence against women they are angry at.

Except most dudes don't do that, while nearly all TRAs do. The instant you see someone shrieking about troonery and some actual woman disagrees with him, the rape threats and death threats are nearly instantaneous.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

Except most dudes don't do that, while nearly all TRAs do. The instant you see someone shrieking about troonery and some actual woman disagrees with him, the rape threats and death threats are nearly instantaneous.

Of course, I'm oversimplifying. You're right that most men are decent enough not to threaten sexual violence against others. This is a clear troon/incel overlap. What I should have made clear is that those who say stuff like that tend to be angry men, but obviously it's not something a reasonable person would do in general.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I've had a few conversations with leftists (especially older ones) who will admit behind closed doors that they think genderspecial stuff is nonsense. But that they are also too scared to openly oppose it lest they be cast out of the left.

I was once surprised by all the women who would open up to me once I made it clear I was anti-troon, especially some I knew were on the leftist, aggravatingly so, side. Now I come to expect every woman I meet, make friends with, etc. to essentially be anti-tranny, they just can't say it out loud for fear of ostracizing.

I am happy to report one of my best bros - a dude who lives in Chicago and is undoubtedly Dem - secretly thinks troonery is a tonna bullshit as well. THAT surprised me, because to a tee I am saddened by the realization that there's a lot more male supporters of transgenderism than females, even accounting lately a ton more transitions are FtM and starting to follow the same damnable roots (porn addiction, fetishization, egotism, etc.).

 

[PandaChai]

Like many in the thread there's not been a singular peak but a series of ever growing crests of hatred & disgust, and quite honestly disbelief. I'm not sure what that first summit was, possibly some MatI or Jimothy Metokur segment, but the peaks just never seem to stop; I think the troons can't sink any lower into their shared depraved narcissism then they'll demand cosmetic surgery on the NHS or claim 3 year olds can be trans or God knows what else they'll come up with next! It is, to use a well known phrase, all so tiresome.

Having mulled the topic (on and off, of course, I haven't been sat seething about tranners for over 3 months) I think I now remember the exact moment I peaked.

Spoiler: ""Little"" ""Miss"" Wolscht