US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Sure, they already have enough money and power that they could easily live the rest of their lives completely isolated from consequences, doing all the drugs and eating all the child whores they want in their yachts and mansions. Despite having more luxury and choice than anyone before in human history, literally more than they could ever experience or waste within their lifetimes, they want more and they are willing to 'reset' society to get it.

Because there's a real malthusian squeeze coming up. With current technology, there's limited resources and they become more environmentally costly to access. Knowing this, do you:
A. Invest in technology like nuclear energy, asteroid mining, and GMO biofuels to help keep the planet supplied with resources and clean energy?
B. Invest in PR campaigns telling people the future is eating bugs, living in a pod, and riding rented bicycles in the 15 minute city and "internet of bodies" systems to keep the people "happy"?

The elite don't want A, because that's expensive and means you have too much power. B is a much nicer future for them.

Reply bug, but responding to @Save the Loli :

That ties in with a theory I've held for a while now. It's not envy that drives these 'elites', it's the absolute outrage that Joe Normal can get 90 percent of the same things they can. So they feel a little less special.

These are the same kind of people who would institute sumptuary laws if you gave them the chance.

Ironically sumptuary laws were meant for people like them. They were the people wasting the king's money buying useless trinkets, and most of the time they were merchants just doing it to upstage the nobility.

 

[mandatorylurk]

I know this is what they want to do but it's still so jarring in how brazen it is.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

If they had stormed his house he would be demanding them get the rope.

They need to bring back the slave that whispers "remember you are just a man" onto the ears of these people.

 

[John.Doe]

If they had stormed his house he would be demanding them get the rope.

They need to bring back the slave that whispers "remember you are just a man" onto the ears of these people.

They wouldn't believe that dude until their arrogance is shattered with said rope.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

If they had stormed his house he would be demanding them get the rope.

They need to bring back the slave that whispers "remember you are just a man" onto the ears of these people.

Unexpected Roman Triumph mention

 

[Overly Serious]

I think many of you are overly optimistic

You think the elites care about iphones, jets and fancy cars?

Nah son it's all about the power.

To quote a famous philosopher:

"The kings, emperors and rajahs didn't need cars, computers or planes to lord it over the serfs. The were happy with power and wealth, what did it matter that your wealth could only get you a fine horse if everyone had to walk. What did it matter if your wealth could only buy bread when everyone else starves? It's always about having more then others, the fancy toys are mealiness in the face of moral superiority and the exercise of power over others."

It's not really about the total wealth, many of the elites dream of the day when mankind goes back to the fields with a hand-plow. Just as long as they have the oxen that's enough.

Wealth is always a measure of difference of power. If it wasn't the elites would be busy trying to raise the level for everyone so they get more as well but instead they're busy grabbing as much as they can in so far as long as no one else can have it instead. Better to return to the days of serfdom. You don't need iPhones to drink your brains away with bejewelled goblets and fatten on rich beef as long as everyone else has nothing more then water and stale bread.

Back in the 17th Century, John Milton penned the lines "Better reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven". He was a deeply religious man and most certainly did not mean it as the defiant and edgy quote many people took it. He meant exactly the sort of people you describe. The sort who would rather live in a wasteland if they had a throne there, than be one more man on the streets of paradise. These people exist and I mean it most literally - if you boiled it down to and out and out choice between the two, they would choose a throne in Hell. All that matters is power.

 

[The Gene Genie]

If they had stormed his house he would be demanding them get the rope.

Why would he? He’s their guy. Look at his name and his face for Christ’s sake.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Back in the 17th Century, John Milton penned the lines "Better reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven". He was a deeply religious man and most certainly did not mean it as the defiant and edgy quote many people took it. He meant exactly the sort of people you describe. The sort who would rather live in a wasteland if they had a throne there, than be one more man on the streets of paradise. These people exist and I mean it most literally - if you boiled it down to and out and out choice between the two, they would choose a throne in Hell. All that matters is power.

The line is quoted out of context.

It’s spoken by Satan and is ironic. After jumping out of Heaven he speaks the line when he’s planning to fuck off to Eden after Hell gets established. He’s running from the responsibility of his actions. It’s fucking hilarious, he doesn’t want to rule in Hell. It’s a flaming garbage dump made up of mutilated body parts and repurposed weapons.

 

[The Nothingness]

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I know this is what they want to do but it's still so jarring in how brazen it is.

And they wonder why people hold judges in the same contempt as journalists.

 

[Overly Serious]

The line is quoted out of context.

It’s spoken by Satan and is ironic. After jumping out of Heaven he speaks the line when he’s planning to fuck off to Eden after Hell gets established. He’s running from the responsibility of his actions. It’s fucking hilarious, he doesn’t want to rule in Hell. It’s a flaming garbage dump made up of mutilated body parts and repurposed weapons.

I know perfectly well who says the lines, I'm not taking it out of context and Satan is not speaking ironically.

The lines with those preceding:

// One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n.

He has just lost the battle against the Almighty and cast into Hell he declares "what matter where, if I be still the same" -> I.e. wherever he is, he is still himself and also declares that he shall determine what is a Heaven and what is a Hell ("The mind is its own place"). He finishes by saying that "Here we may reign secure" (nothing about this suggests to me it is meant ironically) and concludes that his ambition to rule is undaunted even if it must be in Hell - that it is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

It's been a while since I studied it but never saw anything that suggests that Satan does not mean these lines and I don't believe I took anything out of context. People can see the context above.


EDIT: And this isn't followed by his leaving for Eden for quite sometime. There's a long sequence of his finding his fellow cast down and gathering them to him, description of them and recounting of the fall. Later he sets off to Eden to corrupt Man and this spite the Creator.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I know perfectly well who says the lines, I'm not taking it out of context and Satan is not speaking ironically.

The lines with those preceding:

// One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav'n.

He has just lost the battle against the Almighty and cast into Hell he declares "what matter where, if I be still the same" -> I.e. wherever he is, he is still himself and also declares that he shall determine what is a Heaven and what is a Hell ("The mind is its own place"). He finishes by saying that "Here we may reign secure" (nothing about this suggests to me it is meant ironically) and concludes that his ambition to rule is undaunted even if it must be in Hell - that it is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

It's been a while since I studied it but never saw anything that suggests that Satan does not mean these lines and I don't believe I took anything out of context. People can see the context above.

The context extends past that because he literally fucks off to “wage his war” and instantly loathes Hell. The running joke in Paradise Lost is that his spoken intention is never his true intention.

 

[Betonhaus]

It's been a while since I studied it but never saw anything that suggests that Satan does not mean these lines and I don't believe I took anything out of context. People can see the context above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes

 

[draggs]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-another-attack-judge-merchan-daughter-1234997020/

https://archive.ph/UKhpO

Judge issues a pathetic gag order on Tromph

Drumpf promptly btfo the judge's daughter, who is not covered by the order

The man is operating at a high level of energy not seen in 9 years. The brakes of the train have been sabotaged by the utter madman yet again

 

[Overly Serious]

The context extends past that because he literally fucks off to “wage his war” and instantly loathes Hell. The running joke in Paradise Lost is that his spoken intention is never his true intention.

I'm aware of the context. I've read it. Yes, he doesn't like Hell - the statement that it is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven wouldn't make a great deal of sense if he thought Hell were the nicer of the two. If want to debate this at least drop repeatedly talking to me as if I haven't read Paradise Lost and don't know the story. After this that "extends past", not really. It then moves on to long passages where he meets up with his fellow fallen rebels, talks to them and then sets off by himself to Eden, iirc.

 

[Overly Serious]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-another-attack-judge-merchan-daughter-1234997020/

https://archive.ph/UKhpO

Judge issues a pathetic gag order on Tromph

Drumpf promptly btfo the judge's daughter, who is not covered by the order

The man is operating at a high level of energy not seen in 9 years. The brakes of the train have been sabotaged by the utter madman yet again

So the judge's daughter apparently works for a company that was employed as part of Kamala and Biden's campaign as some sort of senior executive paid position there. Got to agree with Trump, it doesn't look great. Anybody got any idea on whether the gag order will be extended to silencing him on that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes

It is explicit in Paradise Lost that Satan could ask for forgiveness and return to Heaven having accepted his place. He chooses his pride and ambition over doing so, remaining in opposition to God and reigning in Hell. The parable of the sour grapes is that of someone declaring something isn't worth having because they were unable to get it. Satan never says Hell is better, nor that he doesn't want to reign in Heaven. Someone said that he doesn't mean his lines that it is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven, yet by the end of Paradise Lost that is literally what he has chosen for himself. Is your link your attempting to explain to me the concept of someone disparaging what they can't have? Because that's a profound concept I've never come across before. Or is this you saying that your reading of Paradise Lost differs to my own?

 

[Bland Crumbs]

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I know this is what they want to do but it's still so jarring in how brazen it is.

I wonder if the people they arrested for recording the incident have been released...

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I'm aware of the context. I've read it. Yes, he doesn't like Hell - the statement that it is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven wouldn't make a great deal of sense if he thought Hell were the nicer of the two. If want to debate this at least drop repeatedly talking to me as if I haven't read Paradise Lost and don't know the story. After this that "extends past", not really. It then moves on to long passages where he meets up with his fellow fallen rebels, talks to them and then sets off by himself to Eden, iirc.

I’m not saying you didn’t read it, but the narrative of the story repeatedly has Satan’s expressed intents being far different from his internal intentions. The reign in Hell line is ironic when you have his dialogue after leaving Hell and trying to get into Eden. He loathes his choice and almost seeks forgiveness upon seeing Eden which is like a gas station compared to Heaven.

We have different interpretations. I take Paradise Lost almost as a comedy in that Satan basically is a giant coward who lies and misrepresents himself. It’s not really sympathy for the Devil, it’s “look at this jackass”.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The fact they have been rather publically kept off the new campaign

yeah there's a diplomatic "we appreciate his efforts in the Abraham accords but he's not going to be involved with any future Trump White House." type statement

 

[dustbuster]

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I know this is what they want to do but it's still so jarring in how brazen it is.

I dug into this.
The DA's office didn't prepare to hold a bond hearing for these guys.
They were asking for the same kind of continuance DC's corrupt slimebags asked for with J6ers.

I'm not too happy with that.
The DA's office shouldn't be dropping the ball.
There are time limits to initial incarceration and you have to be prepared to press actual charges within short order.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Only this time, they subverted the intelligence agencies that shut them down in the 70s and have completely seized the media that might report on them. God only knows what's going to happen this time.

The corrupt intelligence agencies are already on extremely thin ice with the heavily armed right. When alt-tech starts spreading around videos of lefty pipe bombings, they will quite literally start killing feds.

The reason a revolution hasn’t started yet is because everyone still has more to lose than they hate the fed. But, if you kill a man’s kids with a pipe-bomb, he no longer has anything to lose. It’ll start with “unsanctioned” mass shootings at federal office buildings and assassinating judges.