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Yeah of course. I learned that lesson. Krishna Kid #1 isn't even printed yet - so kinda difficult to ship out just yet. Let alone #2 and #3. When I have them you'll have them.
Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Yeah of course. I learned that lesson. Krishna Kid #1 isn't even printed yet - so kinda difficult to ship out just yet. Let alone #2 and #3. When I have them you'll have them.
Mister Dongs
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You have to understand that facing consequences in the comic book industry is inversely proportional to the amount of clout said person has. How much clout someone has depends on how many doors they can open if they like someone, or have closed on people who earn their ire. If you're an editor in charge of a decent paying imprint you can get away with outright sexual assault and rape; if you're some independent getting published through Fantagraphics like Ed Piskor, all it will take is a few simp DMs.
The story of Warren Ellis' cancellation is a good example of this. @Miniluv did a great job capturing the absurdity of the cancelling itself, but I think the situation that led up to it merits covering.
It is 1996. Ellis was a very online sort of guy and was quick to adopt the growing new technologies involved with cultivating an online fandom, at first building up mailing lists for online newsletters, moving on to blogs, Oracle Delphi message boards, then finally building dedicated forums for his online community, the Warren Ellis Forums (WEF). This happened in that brief window of time after the death of print fanzines but before the birth of universal social media platforms like Facebook when lone individuals could establish a large cultural footprint online before the net was colonized by corporations. Here a large community of outsiders gathered and started making talk about revolution in the comic book industry, a break from the cliches, stodgy conservative morality of mainstream capeshit and usher in a new comic culture that wasn't like your grandpa's comics, one where the men weren't afraid to righteously take out the religious bigots that impeded humanity and the women were all tough badasses who refused to be slut shamed.
Warren very deliberately modeled the WEF's social structure from the contemporary Something Awful forums, with Ellis styling himself as a sort of comic book @Lowtax . The closest analog I can think of would be if Null appointed groupies like Trollcow to moderator status and everyone had to kiss their asses as they attention whored it up all over the place. As one might expect from an SA offshoot, this was all coached in several layers of irony to the comics community, where Warren would ironically call himself "Internet Stalin" as he banned wrongminded people arbitrarily, to the cheers of his equally ironically named "Internet Slut Wife" mod team, where they would meet up at conventions and ironically suck his dick. This went on more or less publicly for around a decade with nary a word from anyone.
What makes this somewhat relevant to the current situation and not just comic book lolcow lore from the 00s was the size and influence the community had. Again, before social media, the biggest online platforms for comic fans to gather and discuss comics were internet forums privately run by fans and creators, and Ellis' community was among the first, largest and most influential of these sites, a hub for comic fandom. Most of the members of the 'whisper network' Comicsgate vaguely rails about to this day cut their teeth in the WEF, including Chris Sebela, Chip Zdarsky, Sam Humphries, Kieran Gillen, Heidi MacDonld, Rich Johnston, etc. etc. Kelly Sue "don't like my politics don't buy my book" DeConnick was a mod there; it was where she met her husband Matt Fraction (although she explicitly denies ever having special alone time with Warren). The connections formed there continue to serve them now decades later, securing each other gigs against out-group people in a self-reinforcing mutually beneficial alliance of mediocrities while "subverting" mainstream comics by pumping them full of the corporate approved shallow progressive politics of their fedora tipping proto-redditor mentor Warren Ellis. Clout, in other words.
As a celebrity writer at the top of the his profession who opened doors to dozens of people that went on to build careers and entrench themselves in the comic industry, Warren had a lot of clout. He did everything there was worth doing in comics, wrote every "big name" property, won every award worth winning, he even banged a harem of tatted up alt chicks. There was only one thing that had always eluded him: Hollywood optioning his IPs and moving on to an industry where scriptwriting paid real money. He set himself upon this goal with real diligence: he spent less time dicking around on his phone being an e-celeb, stopped dropping "I can haz cheezburger"-tier internet memes and references into his comics, stopped having his protagonists go off on MovieBob-esque screeds about how Christian conservatives should be liquidated for being backwards retards impeding humanity's progress, so on, instead strictly focusing on honing his craft as a writer to deliver entertaining, tightly written capeshit stories intended to appeal to the widest audience possible. And at long last in 2020 he succeeded. This proved to be his undoing of course.
The second he decided to disinvolve himself from comics (and the clout he accumulated over decades) to become a screenwriter for Netflix' Castlevania, his old jettisoned groupies from his abandoned community and failed comic book revolution immediately congealed to form a cancel blob and he was destroyed overnight. At that moment he had no more clout than Ed Piskor. Had Ellis stuck to the comic industry with his many proteges, he'd probably still have an illustrious career even now. The cancel culture people overlooked his history for over a decade, they no doubt could have kept up their lifelong role as Warren's jannies for decades more.
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You have to understand that facing consequences in Comicsgate is inversely proportional to the amount of clout said person has. How much clout someone has depends on their connections and Youtube subscriber count. If you're someone like Billy Tucci or Mike Baron for example, you can crowdfund on whatever platform you please and shittalk whoever you want. But if you're Patrick Thomas Parnell or Rich Ayala, you are only allowed to use approved crowdfunding platforms that actively blacklist and suppress your campaigns and make no money, and if you say anything about it the leadership will denounce you as a traitor and a sex pervert while rolling out the red carpet for Vito, Riley and Mint Salad.
It is 2016. Van Sciver was a very online sort of guy. He was quick to adopt the growing new technologies involved with cultivating an online fandom, at first building up a Facebook page, then a twitter profile before cultivating a youtube channel and community that looked down on the "soy" nature of mainstream comics. Frog very deliberately modeled Comicsgate's social structure from the contemporary Internet Bloodsports scene, with Frog styling himself as a sort of comic book Tony Soprano. Here a large community of outsiders gathered around and started making talk about revolution in the comic book industry, a break from the woke, progressive morality of mainstream capeshit and usher in a new comic culture that wasn't like your grandpa's comics, one where the men were men, and the women weren't men...
The story of Warren Ellis' cancellation is a good example of this. @Miniluv did a great job capturing the absurdity of the cancelling itself, but I think the situation that led up to it merits covering.
It is 1996. Ellis was a very online sort of guy and was quick to adopt the growing new technologies involved with cultivating an online fandom, at first building up mailing lists for online newsletters, moving on to blogs, Oracle Delphi message boards, then finally building dedicated forums for his online community, the Warren Ellis Forums (WEF). This happened in that brief window of time after the death of print fanzines but before the birth of universal social media platforms like Facebook when lone individuals could establish a large cultural footprint online before the net was colonized by corporations. Here a large community of outsiders gathered and started making talk about revolution in the comic book industry, a break from the cliches, stodgy conservative morality of mainstream capeshit and usher in a new comic culture that wasn't like your grandpa's comics, one where the men weren't afraid to righteously take out the religious bigots that impeded humanity and the women were all tough badasses who refused to be slut shamed.
Warren very deliberately modeled the WEF's social structure from the contemporary Something Awful forums, with Ellis styling himself as a sort of comic book @Lowtax . The closest analog I can think of would be if Null appointed groupies like Trollcow to moderator status and everyone had to kiss their asses as they attention whored it up all over the place. As one might expect from an SA offshoot, this was all coached in several layers of irony to the comics community, where Warren would ironically call himself "Internet Stalin" as he banned wrongminded people arbitrarily, to the cheers of his equally ironically named "Internet Slut Wife" mod team, where they would meet up at conventions and ironically suck his dick. This went on more or less publicly for around a decade with nary a word from anyone.
What makes this somewhat relevant to the current situation and not just comic book lolcow lore from the 00s was the size and influence the community had. Again, before social media, the biggest online platforms for comic fans to gather and discuss comics were internet forums privately run by fans and creators, and Ellis' community was among the first, largest and most influential of these sites, a hub for comic fandom. Most of the members of the 'whisper network' Comicsgate vaguely rails about to this day cut their teeth in the WEF, including Chris Sebela, Chip Zdarsky, Sam Humphries, Kieran Gillen, Heidi MacDonld, Rich Johnston, etc. etc. Kelly Sue "don't like my politics don't buy my book" DeConnick was a mod there; it was where she met her husband Matt Fraction (although she explicitly denies ever having special alone time with Warren). The connections formed there continue to serve them now decades later, securing each other gigs against out-group people in a self-reinforcing mutually beneficial alliance of mediocrities while "subverting" mainstream comics by pumping them full of the corporate approved shallow progressive politics of their fedora tipping proto-redditor mentor Warren Ellis. Clout, in other words.
As a celebrity writer at the top of the his profession who opened doors to dozens of people that went on to build careers and entrench themselves in the comic industry, Warren had a lot of clout. He did everything there was worth doing in comics, wrote every "big name" property, won every award worth winning, he even banged a harem of tatted up alt chicks. There was only one thing that had always eluded him: Hollywood optioning his IPs and moving on to an industry where scriptwriting paid real money. He set himself upon this goal with real diligence: he spent less time dicking around on his phone being an e-celeb, stopped dropping "I can haz cheezburger"-tier internet memes and references into his comics, stopped having his protagonists go off on MovieBob-esque screeds about how Christian conservatives should be liquidated for being backwards retards impeding humanity's progress, so on, instead strictly focusing on honing his craft as a writer to deliver entertaining, tightly written capeshit stories intended to appeal to the widest audience possible. And at long last in 2020 he succeeded. This proved to be his undoing of course.
The second he decided to disinvolve himself from comics (and the clout he accumulated over decades) to become a screenwriter for Netflix' Castlevania, his old jettisoned groupies from his abandoned community and failed comic book revolution immediately congealed to form a cancel blob and he was destroyed overnight. At that moment he had no more clout than Ed Piskor. Had Ellis stuck to the comic industry with his many proteges, he'd probably still have an illustrious career even now. The cancel culture people overlooked his history for over a decade, they no doubt could have kept up their lifelong role as Warren's jannies for decades more.
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You have to understand that facing consequences in Comicsgate is inversely proportional to the amount of clout said person has. How much clout someone has depends on their connections and Youtube subscriber count. If you're someone like Billy Tucci or Mike Baron for example, you can crowdfund on whatever platform you please and shittalk whoever you want. But if you're Patrick Thomas Parnell or Rich Ayala, you are only allowed to use approved crowdfunding platforms that actively blacklist and suppress your campaigns and make no money, and if you say anything about it the leadership will denounce you as a traitor and a sex pervert while rolling out the red carpet for Vito, Riley and Mint Salad.
It is 2016. Van Sciver was a very online sort of guy. He was quick to adopt the growing new technologies involved with cultivating an online fandom, at first building up a Facebook page, then a twitter profile before cultivating a youtube channel and community that looked down on the "soy" nature of mainstream comics. Frog very deliberately modeled Comicsgate's social structure from the contemporary Internet Bloodsports scene, with Frog styling himself as a sort of comic book Tony Soprano. Here a large community of outsiders gathered around and started making talk about revolution in the comic book industry, a break from the woke, progressive morality of mainstream capeshit and usher in a new comic culture that wasn't like your grandpa's comics, one where the men were men, and the women weren't men...
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Nick Kerrs
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Malin was sperging out on Phil Diaz for 5 minutes straight telling him to keep his mouth shut on Cecil’s livestream today was entertaining
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Manly men to fight the rainbow
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Eric July hosting, the most powerful man in polygonal boobs, Grummz...
And what does Grummz open with? "I said 'This man is going to change comics'; and you did."
Expect a very exciting Trashcast tonight.
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Dongs you are a Giant faggot, if I haven't told you before I am telling you now. your a racist POS and I know your a soy bitch man child who is out of work because your SJW propaganda don't sell anymore. Maybe you can or already working for @Fandom Pulse , or @FROG can start a site called IHATENIGGERS. You white bread fake as fuck English teacher. I hate liberals and your day is numbered faggot.
All you internet grifters are out of line even you @Alazmat you getting clout off a dead man may you make a million dollars.
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@robo6 thanks for the puzzle peices, a couple more I will have solved the puzzle fren
Dongs is a giant liberal pussy, and when you eventually figure out I don't want money just a thank you or an apology .......
All you internet grifters are out of line even you @Alazmat you getting clout off a dead man may you make a million dollars.
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@robo6 thanks for the puzzle peices, a couple more I will have solved the puzzle fren
Dongs is a giant liberal pussy, and when you eventually figure out I don't want money just a thank you or an apology .......
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did... did i miss something? or did you just got straight to 11 out of nowhere?
also, unfortunately the domain for "IHATENIGGERS.com" isn't available. you can get "IHATENIGGERS.blog" though. do with that info what you will @Mister Dongs
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I am a shit poster on kiwifarms, I have no links to my living tied to my internet bucks. I laugh at retards on the internet. MR Dongs Is a retard on the internet, as is 90% of comicsgate still skating the thin ice of ethan van schivers clout. You all are faggots and you all deserve a million dollars
Quarterback Rex Grossman
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I know they're nerds, but is it really that hard not to simp for fucking 5s and just find a nice girl to settle down with? Or a hairy bear in EVS's case?
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Hopefully this hasn't already been answered as I'm still trying to play catch-up with this thread, but-
Jeff Hicks and Jessi Milestone broke up several months ago and Jeff moved back to the Midwest. Jessi just recently announced her engagement to some other dude (rebound marriage?). I haven't heard of this guy (her fiance) before; not sure who he is.
Jeff and Jessi were never married (or engaged AFAIK), they just lived together in LaLaLand.
Also, pretty sure that the Kelsey Shannon comment that made Anna TSWG cry was Kelsey saying something to the effect of "all those guys (Ethan/JACK Show people) can go to Hell/burn in Hell".
Pretty rude, Kelsey (kinda funny though, knowing Kelsey. Sorry, Anna, if you're reading this...).
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i mean, I'm with you on all that. I'm just not sure how that relates to dongs. Is he a CG youtuber or something? i thought he was just another kiwi?
I'm all on board for laughing at him and calling him a grifting faggot, but you're not really showing examples how he is one, so it just seems like it's coming out of nowhere.
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Dongs started posting about 15 hundred pages ago start there ..... the darling soychild for cg kangs, and slumlords as a reference of fact on this thread and all of comicsgatelore. Heavily pramoted my @FROG until rec ently when dongs needed to save face. Dongs is good with english and punctuiation, but shit with street smarts or covering his history. He is like Commie mark in that as long as this thread exist and passer byers see his posts but not read him he gets an updootle. but ..... but .... but....
I have been listening to autistic cg content for 6 years, Mr Dongs showed up on Vikkiverses chan, the trash compacter and others, he is a nerdy white boy who always plays defense for frog even if it doesn't seem like it in the lat 200 pages his mild critisism is defence when narrative is lost ....... the smarter they type the more you need to watch out for these glow niggers. best just run them over
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Yeah, why the Big Mad Hate for Dongs out of left field? (and right after he just dropped a wonderfully crafted post?)
Show me on the doll where Dongs touched you, Nazi Shatner.
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The next episode (edit: the last episode according to the ending)
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You can get a well crafted turn on MSNBC, And Bloomberg doesn't make it true ...... Dongs is protection racket and keep eating his well scripted bullshit, ever wonder why comics gate money graphs stopped 2 years ago?
its called bad PR, publicity and propoganda only is usefull when it fits your narrative fuck him and fuck you
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Jim, I may not be a doctor when I'm bricking over the burial site of Comicsgate, and Dongs might be some kind of lib teatotalitarian, but you know he's actually pointing out an interesting group dynamic parallel from Ellis's squad to Ethan's. Dongs frames the picture without actually saying it, but there is no doubt Sciverfrog's little long-term lily pads will dish the moment there is no more career advancement to be had. He's basically saying the kind of toxic atmosphere he's set up to only benefit himself will ultimately eat him alive later down the road.
The likelihood of this is increasing as EVS' loses his optics processing. He's years away from fulfilling anything, he's several squads away from when he first started and he's just floating out there grabbing piggiechats. He seems to have fully committed to being casted as Mojo in his own Mojoverse, sending mutants out for his own amusement and for a shrinking planet of viewers.
It would have been a challenge without all this July stupidity to keep people sufficiently distracted from his own lack of productivity. He's Streisanded himself on the island of Isom and it will chain him to his own treatment of his remaining frog-hogs. He just had to pick on the guy who literally made his own work ethic, teamwork, and logistics look foolish at best, or a broken Ponzi scheme at worst.
Edit: My Mom said too many spelling errors.
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Date Rape Psychosis
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Sometime after Keffal's attack on Kiwi Farms this thread devolved into sperging about EVS. As far as I can tell it's mostly ex-fans that are angry he didn't live up to some standard they held him to. Dongs is mostly factual in his writing, which means he isn't attacking Ethan, which obviously means he's protecting him. The only acceptable opinion you're allowed to have is EVS is fat and a closeted gay and lazy and has a small penis.
All I know is I'm glad I don't have any of these gay emotions.
All I know is I'm glad I don't have any of these gay emotions.
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Jeff left around end of March of 2023, about 2 weeks after me and @Arkenas Einbrecht did a livestream of her pull over she had blocked for nearly a year. Was our coverage the "reason" he left? We speculate, but no clue since neither talked publicly on the matter.
Jessi went on Mid-Life bender where she went to rave parties, smoked A LOT of CBD Vapes and sung in her pajamas higher than a kite.
After that we went digging where we found out her sister got big off some video she did years ago that went viral in early days of internet for Havard, she went to Havard, became liberal (Of COURSE), trooned out and now looks likes a Cosplay David Bowie.
(Not to do a shameless plug, but all of this on a playlist on our channel of every Jessi Event if you want a catch up.)
Kai is from Merry Mayhem's corner, sorta the Fandom Reject side. He wrote a book, think of him as Dime Store JDA. Where they met, how they met, when it happened no clue. We were in shock being Jessiologists to see her go from crying stage and internet hiatus to literally engaged within 9 months after Jeff. We also know it wasn't around Summer, so she met him in Fall more than likely. Plus to literally be in a "Marriage" phase within a 3 month period means she's either pregnant (allegedly) or Kai straight up got with crazy who said yes instantly due to both being sad loners.
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Technically since we can't have a cow thread on Ethan without it dying here. This IS his cow thread, kinda has been for awhile.
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atleast the huntining solo comic with the address printed on it was funny and I got it, more I can say about fraga, or muh rainbrowbrite book
maybe dongs can swoon me with his lyrical genus on how my little brony book is not late, and Pineapple Perspective is a frame of mind.
maybe dongs can swoon me with his lyrical genus on how my little brony book is not late, and Pineapple Perspective is a frame of mind.
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i was under the impression Jon del arroz was the dime store Jon del arroz