Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[gummy]

And you may be right, the animation provided by Iclone may not engage the sophisticated youth of today. On the other hand, when I look at some of the cheap crap that passes for animation on Cartoon Network, Iclone doesn't look that bad.

Spoiler: that's totally not delusional

 

[HickoryDickory]

I don't claim to be. But it seems to me that anyone who is going to state something as fact ought to have the educational background and have the one on one experience with the person to back up what they say. Otherwise, they're just trolling.

This is a site full of trolls. You should just be lucky that Cynthia hasn't been the target of a malicious one.

 

[GV 998]

One more thought: America was built on the foundation that people who work hard can make their dreams come true. Cynthia is working hard to make her dream come true -- why should she be attacked and insulted for it just because you don't believe in her dream?

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Well, let me stop you right there. We aren't attacking her, for one. And we aren't insulting her for her dream, but rather, we are doing so for her obsessive affinity for the Wogglebug. She is easily provoked if you say the slightest thing against him. If she were behaving in a completely professional manner, then no way would this thread had gone as far as it has (hell it might not even have been made in the first place)

Example: Look at Jennfer Jay, an artist that draws women with massive breasts. She has a thread here, but she came here and was totally cool about it and she has become a friend of the Farms, even drawing requests for people.

See, if Cynthia approached the Farms in that manner, she might have gained herself a larger audience. Sure, we're mainly trolls, but the way I see it, a paying customer is a paying customer.

Also, dreams, contrary to popular belief, should not be unfettered. It's good to have dreams and ambitions, but if you don't inject a dose of reality into it, you're going to be disappointed. In this case, some of us have been trying to get the point across that the Wogglebug just doesn't have what it takes to become popular. Sorry to say, but he's just a more annoying version of the Scarecrow. I'm not telling her to stop (granted, I think her efforts would be better served if she channeled that energy into something unique and marketable: again, that's if you want a successful brand) But I'm not going to say "Give that up, you're wasting your life!". If this is what she wants to create, more power to her. But just because she has a vision doesn't mean I'm going to shower it with adulation. Especially if I don't think it's a good one. And this is Kiwi Farms, not Tumblr. We don't follow the golden rule of "If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all"

 

[voiceguy]

This is a site full of trolls. You should just be lucky that Cynthia hasn't been the target of a malicious one.

I can't argue with that, though the border has been pushed a few times.

@Galvatron
Calling her schizophrenic isn't an attack or an insult? It's certainly not a compliment. And why wouldn't she get upset when people were calling her "bugfucker" for a while? It's kind of hard to get past that. Cynthia has said "...if I had maybe known about the existence of those forums before I got put there and how it was possible to win over the users there that way (I never knew about either from before) things might have been different. But it may be too late now. When I first got the link to it in an email I just took at as another attempt to sabotage my dreams. Especially since I recognized a few users there from another malicious forum I wish I hadn't gone on either now."

I've been a member here for a while now. I will mostly use logic or humor to make a point, though I have occasionally been known to go off the deep end (e.g., the Brad Watson thread). I know a lot of people in this thread have legitimately been trying to help her, but I think it's hard for her to accept outside help (it took me months to convince her that I could fix the script), especially in a thread where people have hurled obscene insults at her.

 

[HickoryDickory]

I can't argue with that, though the border has been pushed a few times.

Btw, I can't remember... Are you aware she asked us for money?

 

[voiceguy]

@HickoryDickory
I do seem to recall that -- I can't remember if it was before or after I came on the scene. I think I made mention to her that a forum where you are not friends with anyone yet is not the place to ask for money. I know when I had a disastrous medical problem and lost my job I went on a forum and asked for money, but it was one I had been a member of for over five years and everyone knew me and were willing to help. What she did was not well thought out.

 

[GV 998]

I can't argue with that, though the border has been pushed a few times.

@Galvatron
Calling her schizophrenic isn't an attack or an insult? It's certainly not a compliment. And why wouldn't she get upset when people were calling her "bugfucker" for a while? It's kind of hard to get past that. Cynthia has said "...if I had maybe known about the existence of those forums before I got put there and how it was possible to win over the users there that way (I never knew about either from before) things might have been different. But it may be too late now. When I first got the link to it in an email I just took at as another attempt to sabotage my dreams. Especially since I recognized a few users there from another malicious forum I wish I hadn't gone on either now."

I've been a member here for a while now. I will mostly use logic or humor to make a point, though I have occasionally been known to go off the deep end (e.g., the Brad Watson thread). I know a lot of people in this thread have legitimately been trying to help her, but I think it's hard for her to accept outside help (it took me months to convince her that I could fix the script), especially in a thread where people have hurled obscene insults at her.

Then...maybe don't be so obsessed with a fictional insect? At least not so openly. And it may not be too late. She could come back here and address us. But she'd have to not be so full of herself and not QUITE so zealous about her work. You have to ask yourself something when you're behaving in public (online or otherwise), if someone I admired or respected or cared about or whatever was speaking to me in this manner, would I like it? Would I respond to it in a good way?

Sure, Cynthia has an uphill battle, especially since she got a negative connotation from the very beginning. But we're not animals, we can converse on a civil level. And hey, if someone asks her something like "So how long have you been pleasuring yourself to the Wogglebug" she could laugh it off or answer in kind with a joke, like , "about the same time you've been beating off to Sonichu" or something like that. If you give us negative reactions and meltdowns, it's just going to make the Kiwis want to provoke her more. Despite us being trolls, we do try to help our lolcows sometimes, like Connor Bible. HOO BOY, have we tried with him. We just do tough love, that's all.

But if you can't laugh at yourself, you'll never make it in the entertainment business. Because there is no one famous out there who doesn't have their haters. I guarantee you Stephen King gets hate mail.

The one thing I've learned about Kiwi Farms, is that, if you find yourself having become a lolcow, and you're going to engage with the Farms, the best way to approach it is leave your pride at the door. It's only going to work against you here

 

[voiceguy]

@Galvatron

That is good sound advice, I will recommend it to her.

 

[For The Internet]

@voiceguy
I got my first professional gig when I was 10 and it led to me being hired by my agent and started my career. My first role was onscreen rather than voice acting and for that I'm glad - imo voice acting is the most difficult medium in acting because all you have as a tool is your voice. Very hard for a newbie, especially one who is also a kid. I wish her the best.

Did Cynthia vet her parents? I know she must have spoken to them to get consent, but did she interview them or anything? It's important when you're dealing with child actors to ensure you're not supporting stage parents. I'm not 100% sure if that's something Cynthia would know to take into consideration, unless you told her.

 

[voiceguy]

Originally, she had cast another girl as Sylvie, after hearing the auditions. She talked to the girl's grandmother and everything was set, but the mother pulled the plug when she found out this wasn't a major studio production or a live action film. Cynthia wanted to beg the mother and have me contact her and I said "Forget it. The mother will be nothing but trouble. She wants her daughter to slingshot to instant stardom and that's not gonna happen. If she did let her daughter take this part, she will try to micromanage everything and get you to make the film the way she wants for her daughter. Find someone else." She then admitted there was another young girl who was just as good whose mother was thrilled by the concept of he movie and I told her "No-brainer. That's who you want. Hire her." This girl's mother has been most helpful, even helping her daughter to record the lines while she read the other parts so Sylvie sounds pretty natural in most of her scenes.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Originally, she had cast another girl as Sylvie, after hearing the auditions. She talked to the girl's grandmother and everything was set, but the mother pulled the plug when she found out this wasn't a major studio production or a live action film. Cynthia wanted to beg the mother and have me contact her and I said "Forget it. The mother will be nothing but trouble. She wants her daughter to slingshot to instant stardom and that's not gonna happen. If she did let her daughter take this part, she will try to micromanage everything and get you to make the film the way she wants for her daughter. Find someone else." She then admitted there was another young girl who was just as good whose mother was thrilled by the concept of he movie and I told her "No-brainer. That's who you want. Hire her." This girl's mother has been most helpful, even helping her daughter to record the lines while she read the other parts so Sylvie sounds pretty natural in most of her scenes.

Would you want your kids involved in this nonsense?

 

[apex_predator]

Severe mental problems? Not hardly.

She wants a former friend to die for wanting her to watch a movie she didn't like, and for daring to write fanfic in which a Christian was not represented as totally evil. Years later, she still goes on at length about wanting this person to die.

She thinks the Oz fandom is out to get her and the Wogglebug. The Oz fandom as a whole doesn't know who the fuck she is, and has to think for a minute about who the Wogglebug is. Most of them don't actually care one way or the other about the Wogglebug, seeing him as a minor character who is sometimes funny and sometimes irritating, but not important in the grand scheme of things.

She has harassed people for writing fanfic that doesn't conform to her desires. This is not the occasional drive-by trolling. She does not let up.

She wants people to take tests before she'll allow them to join in the worship of her Wogglebug. And I'm not exaggerating with "worship."

She drops money left and right on her Woggle obsession without thinking twice.

Maybe the Wogglebug gave her something to cling to when she had nothing else. But it's gone from a comfort to an obsession. She will never succeed in what she wants to do so long as her mental and emotional problems dictate everything she does.

The "everyone has mental issues" excuse is silly. If Cynthia simply wrote weird Wogglebooks and made weird Wogglemovies without spending her last dime on them, and otherwise treated people decently, and had stuff in her life besides the Wogglebug, then you could say she was simply eccentric. That's not what's happening.

I wonder what got you so invested in Cynthia.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Calling her schizophrenic isn't an attack or an insult? It's certainly not a compliment.

Dear Mr. Poshard,

In this thread on The Thinking Atheist website, a user quotes Cynthia (via the now-defunct website Why, God, Why) as saying that she had a schizophrenia diagnosis.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/f...hip-but-only-if-she-becomes-an-atheist?page=6

I didn't actually realize that fact about Cynthia until you came into this thread to defend her honor, which is laudable on your part, and I did some quick Googling. But it's not an insult. As you say, lots of people have mental health issues. It doesn't change my opinion of Cynthia, except maybe to add a bit more sympathy, because that's a hell of a struggle.

I was the one who nudged Cynthia toward trying to engage with the growing secular-homeschooling market niche (maybe your kids are different in some way, maybe the local schools are crap, maybe both), and I've even shown her videos directly to people involved in a secular/nondenominational homeschool co-op. (Some members of the co-op probably have religions. Nobody makes a big honking deal about it, nor is anyone in that group dealing with the immense bureaucracy of [state] so they can teach their kids creationism or whatever.) If you have energy left over from your really extremely kind script-doctoring, maybe you can nudge her to keep doing market research in that direction. If anybody is going to buy non-theist videos about manners and values, it's those folks.

Cynthia may be a bit irked that I've broken down and posted here, but I didn't want you to think that we, as a group, were throwing around the word "schizophrenia" as either an insult or an armchair diagnosis. It's straight from her own discussion of it elsewhere. Notice that it instantly gained her sympathy and e-hugs from the user on the Thinking Atheist forum, not mudslinging. Whether she wants the sympathy is, of course, totally up to her.

I showed her work to that homeschooling co-op because it took very little time and seemed like a decent thing to do for a person I strongly suspect has been through some major difficulties in life. But as @apex_predator points out, you've gone way above and beyond what you were originally hired for. What made you extend yourself beyond the point of minimum wage? I mean, here you are in this thread, vigorously defending someone who hired you off Guru.com. It does pique a person's curiosity.

All best wishes for your improved health -- N.G. Horse, J.W. (Just Wondering)

 

[HickoryDickory]

Dear Mr. Poshard,

In this thread on The Thinking Atheist website, a user quotes Cynthia (via the now-defunct website Why, God, Why) as saying that she had a schizophrenia diagnosis.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/f...hip-but-only-if-she-becomes-an-atheist?page=6

I didn't actually realize that fact about Cynthia until you came into this thread to defend her honor, which is laudable on your part, and I did some quick Googling. But it's not an insult. As you say, lots of people have mental health issues. It doesn't change my opinion of Cynthia, except maybe to add a bit more sympathy, because that's a hell of a struggle.

I was the one who nudged Cynthia toward trying to engage with the growing secular-homeschooling market niche (maybe your kids are different in some way, maybe the local schools are crap, maybe both), and I've even shown her videos directly to people involved in a secular/nondenominational homeschool co-op. (Some members of the co-op probably have religions. Nobody makes a big honking deal about it, nor is anyone in that group dealing with the immense bureaucracy of [state] so they can teach their kids creationism or whatever.) If you have energy left over from your really extremely kind script-doctoring, maybe you can nudge her to keep doing market research in that direction. If anybody is going to buy non-theist videos about manners and values, it's those folks.

Cynthia may be a bit irked that I've broken down and posted here, but I didn't want you to think that we, as a group, were throwing around the word "schizophrenia" as either an insult or an armchair diagnosis. It's straight from her own discussion of it elsewhere. Notice that it instantly gained her sympathy and e-hugs from the user on the Thinking Atheist forum, not mudslinging. Whether she wants the sympathy is, of course, totally up to her.

I showed her work to that homeschooling co-op because it took very little time and seemed like a decent thing to do for a person I strongly suspect has been through some major difficulties in life. But as @apex_predator points out, you've gone way above and beyond what you were originally hired for. What made you extend yourself beyond the point of minimum wage? I mean, here you are in this thread, vigorously defending someone who hired you off Guru.com. It does pique a person's curiosity.

All best wishes for your improved health -- N.G. Horse, J.W. (Just Wondering)

He pretty much said that his pet project failed, so he's focused on Cynthia's. His heart might be in the right place, but it's misdirected, imo.

 

[Picklechu]

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

I think wagglebug is only technically a lolcow in that she's an amusing eccentric, she fucks up but I think we're way too hard on her. I'd like to hear more about what makes her so odd and less general nastiness.

 

[WogglebugLover]

I wasn't going to post here again. But @voiceguy posted here again with my permission at least. He just wanted to make clear a few things for his own defense and so I let him. I also really appreciate how he has been sticking up for me a lot. I had expected him to, of course. And he made a lot of valid points about me and him and what we do. And I also appreciate NobleGreyHorse for making a defense for both me and @voiceguy. I always know I can trust her and @voiceguy agrees with me she is among the best people around here.

I just hope this will be the last post I end up making on here for good. Because I need to just make a few things clear. I am still just using IClone animation not so much because I want to (although I do enjoy working in it and I know I am great as an artist with it) but also because I can't help needing to use it for my first movies in my franchise. I am so embarrassed, and indignant, and angry with the ones of you who had been nagging me to try to hire a professional animator and I posted a call for such on Guru.com. Only to be confirmed in exactly what I was always trying to tell all of you the whole time. It turned out absolutely all professional animators (whether 3d, 2d, or even flash animation) charge monumentally high prices that I could never meet with at all.

Even @Malady Twigs "super discount price" of $150 per minute still would still amount to around $10,000 for a two hour minute film (how long the final script is turning out to be). And to meet this, the lowest price to come by (according to a reliable source of a Facebook page dedicated to professional animators) would still take me a total of 10 to 12 years of nothing but saving for. You said you thought I shouldn't "put the cart before the horse" but yet you actually made me do that very sort of thing by your own encouragment. One animator who I talked to who lives in America asked me where I live and when I said I also live in America he said he asked because he was wondeirng because of my lack of understanding and knowledge of how expensive professional animation really is if I was living in Australia. No matter how happy or eager any of those animators would have been to have helped me they never will because I shouldn't hire someone I can't pay.

Therefore all I can do is just stick with the virtual movie making program I have always used known as IClone for my whole movie series and that's that. And just hope that it will still generate a fan base for me that may be the start of working up to getting to bigger and better movies and maybe even a major movie production someday.

The fact is unless the any of you on here can actually direct me to an actual production studio that can and is willing to finance either a major movie production for me or at least pay for high quality CGI animation for me (because I can never do so on my own at all) and I very much doubt if you can, then you all should not voice any opinion on me whatsoever anymore and leave me be.

I WANT a major movie production someday and actually have live actors with it, kids and all. That was why it hurt when I couldn't cast Robbie Lynne Hargrove as Sylvie because my movie doesn't involve anything to do with a studio. In checking my past emails from her grandmother I figured out she hadn't found me through my KidsCasting posting even though she contacted me the day I put it up, but through my Linkned profile and just made a few assumptions based on a little bit of information there and assumed maybe WogglebugLove Productions was some sort of major production company and I maybe had a major movie in the works that she was looking around for her 7-year-old granddaughter to star in to make her dream of being an onscreen actress come true. If only I could have such now and not before Robbie is too old to be Sylvie.

Now, as for you new guys, @Galvatron and @DatBepisTho. I see you are Oz fans. And I decided I need to let you know a few things about what I think of your own favorite characters. The Wogglebug is better than the Scarecrow, and not the other way around. The Wogglebug is not a "just more annoying version of the Scarecrow." No way! I'd say that role goes to Jack Pumpkinhead really. And the Scarecrow is actually an idiot and not to mention a stuffed shirt. Because for one thing he's basically just a lifesize version of an old rag doll from Kansas which Princess Dorothy (a.k.a. the Royal Mary-Sue/Virgin Mary of Oz) loves and looks to as a combination of the real world life she left behind there to never see again and also the husband she will never have because she came to Oz to stop growing and always be a child and an immortal princess. Which makes her as inferior as can be to the girls in my movies who look to the Wogglebug for guidance and just travel back and forth between the two worlds to grow up in both of them and inspire the other.

The Wogglebug is so much better than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman combined.

The Wogglebug has a real heart and a real brain. His are so much more human overall also because of this fact alone. They are not artificial but actually function in much the same if maybe just slightly different ways that humans do also. Furthermore the wisdom and knowledge he has came from an actual education given to him by an actual scholar who wanted him to become the best he could be because he had humanlike intelligence that came directly from him also.

The Wogglebug has a much better and child-friendly, and relatable backstory for how he came to be who he is. He was created by Professor Nowitall for a grand purpose and a great plan..He was genetically engineered from creatures of nature and from the professor's own human DNA to create a being that is meant to resolve the conflict between human nature and nature itself in an overall positive way.He is a true one of a kind that was selected by destiny and fate and Professor Nowitall to be in his schoolhouse to become thoroughly educated by him and to then become highly magnified and step off of the screen (literally and metaphorically) into the open world to succeed at his destiny. But Oz failed the plan. The Wogglebug didn't fail Oz, the place failed him and his creator's plan. Professor Nowitall just hadn't foreseen that the Wogglebug would get involved with the wrong kind of people along the way.

The Scarecrow is a scary thing because he is not something that should even be alive at all. The Tin Woodman is even scarier because according to his origins he is not someone who should not be alive but is technically actually a dead brained human spirit that happens to be encased inside of an evilly possessed tin body.

Also because obviously the Scarecrow saw the Wogglebug as one who was better and smarter than him and just thought he had the right to try to take power of the Wogglebug's existence in the disguise that he was a friend of his when he was not, and the Tin Woodman being the Scarecrow's best man went right along gladly in trying to dupe the Wogglebug into thinking he was a problem as he was thinking "No one makes a fool of the Scarecrow, except the Scarecrow." While the Scarecrow stands by and thinks "Nick Chopper is my best mate as no opposer to my throne, or my superior brains for that matter, stands a chance against his kind heart or his sharp axe alive!"

And the Tin Woodman/Nick Chopper/Emperor of the Winkies (it should be King of the Winkies since the Winkie Country is only a kingdom) is really nightmarish, psychotic, psycopathic, hardheeaded asshole who is just prone to heart failures because of his lost humanity. His backstory of being dismembered one body part at a time is not at all appropriate for a childrens story or even something for all ages, it belongs solely in a horror film. I'm willing to bet he tried out to become one of the new villains on the Batman Animated Series show of the early 90s but was rejected because he would have brought too much gore and violence to an animated show that the producers wanted at least for early teenagers and up to enjoy. And if you don't believe me then consider this fact, there was actually a villain on the show known as the Scarecrow already! So at least one of them had been cast.

And the gruesome backstory Nick Chopper has is like something from medieval Tales From the Crypt and is downright inappropriate and most likely why the MGM movie (like most Oz films) neglect it even in mentioning. In one anime movie series of four books of the series from the 80s (the first two movies were almost completely faithful to the books but then began straying more and more from their sources). The Wogglebug wasn't included at all. And in the film based on the first book Nick Chopper did tell his backstory and we saw a flashback of just simply him as a human man cuddling next to his fiance and then he just suddenly turned into a man made of metal right before her eyes and just got up and walked away from her with a cold look on his face and she of course just dropped to the ground sobbing. It was so sad! But in being true to the book series he never went back to her and just went off to become the ruler of the Winkies living alone in his castle being too in love with himself to love anyone anymore. And in being true to the book also when the Wizard (who never returns) puts a heart into his chest he says "I hope the Tin Man is easy to fool as the Scarecrow was!" and then he goes in the movie after the next to brag that he lets his heart be his guide because it is a "a special one given to me by the great wizard of Oz and so it is never wrong!" And I couldn't stop shaking my head in disgust by the things he did in following it such as his battle with the growlywog monster. And a point made can be that if he had anywhere near the intelligence of the Wogglebug that it would not have taken him over ten books and two attempted endings of the series to remember WHY he wanted a heart in the first place.

And if you think that both the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman are not devoid of any false and foolish pride of their own that is a far worse thing than the Wogglebug could ever have even if he tried to, then consider this statement from a review on Amazon that may not be own but from a girl called Lika Laruku who reviews the Oz series as a whole (she rated it 5 stars). And said these things on the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman:

"When the Scarecrow wanted a brain, he wasn't as stupid as he thought he was, but when he got a brain, he wasn't nearly as smart as he claimed to be; indeed he managed to be simultaneously intuitive & dense with an undeservedly high opinion of himself. Nick Chopper a.k.a. Tin Woodsman always claimed that he had no heart & therefore no emotions, apparently not smart enough to figure out that emotions come from the brain. Once he gets his placebo swag of a heart & is asked to become king of the Winkies, he shows his immense ego. Nick LOVES bling, riches, statues & paintings of himself, replacing natural fauna with metal, plating himself in chrome & having his men polish him several times a day, bragging about how much stuff he has. The only thing he likes as much as himself is Scarecrow, & he really, REALLY likes Scarecrow."

It overall sounds to me like the Oz fans are insisting it is okay for everyone to believe what the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman claim about themselves is the truth and they can be beloved for them, and all their flaws also. But the Wogglebug should be only ever treated in the opposite way, per the say so of the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman. I think that is just wrong. And I have come to understand over the years, with confirmation lately direct from the source, that the college the Wogglebug runs of his own is not at all any need for Oz, it's just a prison for him to just "keep him busy and keep him out of everyone's hair" and without him even understanding about ANY of that. But it really just seems to me that guys like the Scarecrow, and Tin Woodman, and the Wizard want the Wogglebug kept out of the way ONLY because they realize he IS their superior and can prove it and thus prove them incorrect and inconsistent in their own foolish pride of their own abilities. If only they would let him. So therefore they are enemies to him if only just because they see him as an enemy to them only because of the folly of their own false pride.

And the truth is actually that @voiceguy is correct in that he tried to do the opposite of what I said but it ended up working in reverse because of all the facts I mentioned in the above paragraph and all the ones I explained in messages from before. The plot I thought of for the book I wrote, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" was actually inspired by him encouraging me to write a story about how the Wogglebug had been drastically transformed into his polar opposite and then was transformed back again. But the plot I actually wrote of was the polar opposite of what he had been encouraging me to write and I didn't tell him what I was going to actually write until after I brought the complete manuscript to him to read after it was published. The deal was I basically just prefer NOT to be kissing the asses of the Oz fans favorite characters but to be instead kicking them because of my love for the Wogglebug.

In my novels I have decided to get across my theory that the Wogglebug never had anything wrong with him in his inception and he was just around the wrong the people, in the wrong place, and in the wrong situations. I postulate how Oz (according to the original book series) is a nightmarish distopia vaguely disguised as a happy magic land, because it condemns everything that makes the Wogglebug the kind of hero he is. My aim is to convey in my novels this truth: The Wogglebug is fantasy reflection of the Wizard (Oscar Diggs) and he represents all of his better qualities in the same sense as the Wizard and Wogglebug are reflections of Baum and the Wizard is the lesser reflection and the Wogglebug is the better one.

@voiceguy shouldn't have ever not understood I need to convey that the Wogglebug had nothing wrong with him the whole time and that it was his so called "friends" who were true enemies to him all along who were responsible for the "curse" that came over him. And that my love for him is BASED on that and that is based likewise on my strong desire to give him his own fandom that has nothing to do with them and theirs and I love him so much I want to make it so he has no memory of that bad previous life. He is better than them and as such he deserves and needs better than them. He should have a fandom all his own that claims superiority over the Oz fandom because of the previous sentence alone that is why I design my new universe and storyline of his new life for him as I have.

He's lately been more agreeing with me after I explained some more about the plot points of my future novels to him and I want to actually get him to agree with me as much as possible. And I'm glad my former publisher was hurt by how I just left him and his followers on the statement that I wanted no friendship with him or any of his community, never did, and that the whole of being brought into it was all a terrible mistake that shouldn't have ever happened. If he actually really thought someone like me could ever get along with any of their lot any better than I just said then he deserves to have me punch him so brutally he will never get out of his wheelchair even if he ever could have. I will not take any of those words back.

You know why?

Because this is the SAME attitude the Oz fans show towards the Wogglebug all the time.

And so now my attitude toward them and their favorite characters makes us as good as even, so that we don't owe each other nothing and can just go our separate ways from each other forever. Being two separate fandoms that are competing against each other and wanting to get outsiders to choose one or the other. That is the way things are and should be always. If you must pick your battles and the ones you can win then I pick this battle with the Oz fandom and I shall fight to the death before anything else and I feel I can win.

The Oz fans ain't got no feelings worth giving any shit for. The more I offend them and make them feel their own cherished views of their favorite characters have been severely scarred and tainted the more I am happy with myself. All I want is for them to feel the same way about me mocking and belittling their own favorite characters for their origins and them personally at the same time that Don Reynolds had made me feel when he did it to my own. Especially because I cannot seem to make Don Reynolds the least bit sorry no matter what and so I can at least make him sorry because of all the other Oz fans reactions if not for his own. That is why at the end of my novels series I am having these things happen:

The Wogglebug and the Frogman and Terry find proof that the Wizard is a power-mad con-artist and a villain even if he doesn't think he is and no one else does. And find the Scarecrow was always cursed with idiocy before he brought to life by accident with paint mixed with the powder of life (he is not soul of a dead Oriental Emperor which I will have him jump to the conclusion of like Brad Watson has about being the second coming of Christ who never even came to begin with, and have the Wogglebug debunk him by finding out just what I said and that Emperor Chang Wang Woe was a fictional character actually). And that Nick Chopper had never really been a very good-hearted man in his "human" years even and that Nimmee Aimee never loved him anymore than he ever loved her. And that his heart contains a demon in it that the wizard put into it that came from himself when he practiced magic on him he didn't understand about when he wasn't even a real wizard (the same thing happened with the Scarecrow) and then only after does Terry throw the Truth Pond water onto him that he understands all that she and the Wogglebug and Frogman were telling him and the Scarecrow and he ultimately kills himself in front of his whole Winkie Kingdom. I also point out how Dorothy has ceased to be anything like who she used to be for the worst because in Oz she is little more than a living China Doll Princess and not like a real human girl like Terry Hayman certainly is and I use points that Baum himself put in his own works. And I have the Wogglebug declare that Ozma had been a fraud of a good ruler to have let all that happen and not even let him intervene. And he ultimately at the end just stands in front of all those characters and tells them off before turning his back on them and slamming the door and locking it and then leaving Oz to go to Genoma to have Professor Nowitall thrust rebirth on him and give him a better life than the one he already had.

Now here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyone kicks their legs they feel NOTHING, but if his are kicked he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as being as much of a person as any human could ever have the right to be. The fact is that he is a FAR superior and better and more ideal role model for this day and age and especially for young people than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman could ever dream to be (even if they could dream but can't since they can't sleep and have no mind's eye neither of course! Which are also things the Wogglebug has and which make him a better role model than them). The Wogglebug has feelings and needs both physically and emotionally and mentally also in ways that need to be cared for in the way of an actual human (and a bit deeper in some ways) which make him an ideal role model to teach about what real love is. Which is how I plan to do in my own fandom of a series of movies starring him away from Oz like he was never in Oz to begin with and there will be no Oz characters around him whatsoever and no characters like them (that is artificial beings that are not really meant to be alive but are and don't have intelligence and the ability to respect a superior worth crap, as I do not think the world the Wogglebug will now live in should allow those kinds of beings to come into being by their laws and so it will be a better place than Oz and not just for him but also a better place to gain wisdom from relatable to the real world.

The deal is this: Professor Nowitall (who is obviously a scholar, scientist, and inventor) is the creator as much as the educator of the Wogglebug. He had a reason as to why he created the wogglebugs as human-insect hybrids in a biology experiment, and a reason why he chose one to educate, and then a reason why he magnified it with the intention of it keeping its size and living among the human world. There was all a grand purpose for all of it. While Professor Nowitall created the Wogglebug in Oz and his origins all took place there, Professor Nowitall had a grand plan for him that never came into effect because Oz stopped allowing logic and reason for solutions and lost its natural aging aNow here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyonehurts them they feel NOTHING, but if he is hurt he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as b

Yes, indeed. I am just going to leave Oz in something of a state of devastation like I said. @voiceguy made me feel I NEED to do exactly that at the end of my series in order to keep with the original plan for the movie series taking place in Genoma just the way I always wanted it and was never going to change. Since he seems sure I cannot have two separate series in one and the other. And if I can only have one I want to have just the Genoma series. Like I said the Oz-related stories were supposed to be originally just online fanfiction to not be published or shared among the Oz fans at all to begin with and were always in an alternate universe. Now that I have published I want to clear up the false advertising done by Chris Dulabone as much as possible by telling the truth as I see it from now on, and declare I am NO teamplayer to the Oz community and darn proud of it. I mean, would anyone who was just a Wogglebug fan and not an Oz fan ever even think of any of the things I just outlined for the ending of my series?

The bottom line is Oz does not want the Wogglebug to belong to ts history and he shouldn't want to belong to it, either. If it ain't the fandom to be thinking as highly as I do about his origins and about him also then it just ain't the fandom for him, or for me either. I know I've said this before but I can't stress it enough. And some have stated plainly and more than once that they outright hate the Wogglebug and wishe he was never in the series to begin with. But what I would ultimately rather do is boomerang this attitude right back into such people's faces and make the statement that not only is the Wogglebug also better off without Oz but he deserves his own awesome fandom to himself like he wasn't in Oz to begin with and, since they stress they want to not see the Wogglebug in any movie series adaption to the Oz series if the day ever comes, then he shall have his OWN movie series that doesn't involve Oz or its characters and be better off without them altogether. Becoming the star he was always destined to be from the start.

Oz fans don't want him to belong to Oz history because of what they think of him as and can't see beyond the most narrow and negative of stereotypes concerning him. They only just "accept" him as such because Ozma "considers" him of "value" because of his vast knowledge of how history is or something. But she is a good-for-nothing FRAUD compared to what I can do for him with my Genoma series and fandom that is meant to actually make him a star for the making of history of new universe and Genoma in the storyline I've designed with respect for him. And Ozma (and Dorothy) will look so worthlessly pathetic and unhelpful to him and his life's journey in comparison to Sylvie, a girl who crosses borders from our world to Genoma and literally grows up with him and how he inspires her and she inspires him also along the way.

If Baum is doing "rollovers" in his grave right now it is because he probably deserves it because like I said before he never should have put him in Oz to begin with, especially after he even broke all his promises to him for a life filled with respect and recognition at the end just after the Wizard came back. He always should have put him in a separate book not Oz-related. And, not that I am religious, but I am helping him rest in peace by doing better with something he created for good purposes to begin with and separating it from Oz which is its own fandom that the MGM movie (and other versions such as The Wiz) have done their share of bettering also. And righting some wrongs that no Oz fan would care to.

And if any of you Kiwis and / or Oz fans were hurt by any of the above and I am still unfazed by any of the things you've said or done about me and my own fandom that is in the Wogglebug's favor, then I have as good as proven me and the Wogglebug are better than you and your favorite characters whether you like it or not. I am happy to give you all nightmares for the future. You don't have to be nice to me and I don't have to be nice to you at all, neither. I'll go so far as to say I believe if I wanted to be nice to the Oz fans at now of all times I would really be not meant to live my dreams and would be as weak and worthless and good for nothing as the same people who are so obsessed with the Oz series that they believe if they want to they make it real and go there when they die. The Wogglebug's own fandom shall destroy the illusion of Oz being a happy place and tear asunder all the previously believed to be good things about it.

And if this is anyone's question about: Can I just be like who they want me to be like? The Answer will always be a resounding NO!

 

[Ti-99/4A]

No one has time to read all that.

 

[Cubanodun]

I wasn't going to post here again. But @voiceguy posted here again with my permission at least. He just wanted to make clear a few things for his own defense and so I let him. I also really appreciate how he has been sticking up for me a lot. I had expected him to, of course. And he made a lot of valid points about me and him and what we do. And I also appreciate NobleGreyHorse for making a defense for both me and @voiceguy. I always know I can trust her and @voiceguy agrees with me she is among the best people around here.

I just hope this will be the last post I end up making on here for good. Because I need to just make a few things clear. I am still just using IClone animation not so much because I want to (although I do enjoy working in it and I know I am great as an artist with it) but also because I can't help needing to use it for my first movies in my franchise. I am so embarrassed, and indignant, and angry with the ones of you who had been nagging me to try to hire a professional animator and I posted a call for such on Guru.com. Only to be confirmed in exactly what I was always trying to tell all of you the whole time. It turned out absolutely all professional animators (whether 3d, 2d, or even flash animation) charge monumentally high prices that I could never meet with at all.

Even @Malady Twigs "super discount price" of $150 per minute still would still amount to around $10,000 for a two hour minute film (how long the final script is turning out to be). And to meet this, the lowest price to come by (according to a reliable source of a Facebook page dedicated to professional animators) would still take me a total of 10 to 12 years of nothing but saving for. You said you thought I shouldn't "put the cart before the horse" but yet you actually made me do that very sort of thing by your own encouragment. One animator who I talked to who lives in America asked me where I live and when I said I also live in America he said he asked because he was wondeirng because of my lack of understanding and knowledge of how expensive professional animation really is if I was living in Australia. No matter how happy or eager any of those animators would have been to have helped me they never will because I shouldn't hire someone I can't pay.

Therefore all I can do is just stick with the virtual movie making program I have always used known as IClone for my whole movie series and that's that. And just hope that it will still generate a fan base for me that may be the start of working up to getting to bigger and better movies and maybe even a major movie production someday.

The fact is unless the any of you on here can actually direct me to an actual production studio that can and is willing to finance either a major movie production for me or at least pay for high quality CGI animation for me (because I can never do so on my own at all) and I very much doubt if you can, then you all should not voice any opinion on me whatsoever anymore and leave me be.

I WANT a major movie production someday and actually have live actors with it, kids and all. That was why it hurt when I couldn't cast Robbie Lynne Hargrove as Sylvie because my movie doesn't involve anything to do with a studio. In checking my past emails from her grandmother I figured out she hadn't found me through my KidsCasting posting even though she contacted me the day I put it up, but through my Linkned profile and just made a few assumptions based on a little bit of information there and assumed maybe WogglebugLove Productions was some sort of major production company and I maybe had a major movie in the works that she was looking around for her 7-year-old granddaughter to star in to make her dream of being an onscreen actress come true. If only I could have such now and not before Robbie is too old to be Sylvie.

Now, as for you new guys, @Galvatron and @DatBepisTho. I see you are Oz fans. And I decided I need to let you know a few things about what I think of your own favorite characters. The Wogglebug is better than the Scarecrow, and not the other way around. The Wogglebug is not a "just more annoying version of the Scarecrow." No way! I'd say that role goes to Jack Pumpkinhead really. And the Scarecrow is actually an idiot and not to mention a stuffed shirt. Because for one thing he's basically just a lifesize version of an old rag doll from Kansas which Princess Dorothy (a.k.a. the Royal Mary-Sue/Virgin Mary of Oz) loves and looks to as a combination of the real world life she left behind there to never see again and also the husband she will never have because she came to Oz to stop growing and always be a child and an immortal princess. Which makes her as inferior as can be to the girls in my movies who look to the Wogglebug for guidance and just travel back and forth between the two worlds to grow up in both of them and inspire the other.

The Wogglebug is so much better than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman combined.

The Wogglebug has a real heart and a real brain. His are so much more human overall also because of this fact alone. They are not artificial but actually function in much the same if maybe just slightly different ways that humans do also. Furthermore the wisdom and knowledge he has came from an actual education given to him by an actual scholar who wanted him to become the best he could be because he had humanlike intelligence that came directly from him also.

The Wogglebug has a much better and child-friendly, and relatable backstory for how he came to be who he is. He was created by Professor Nowitall for a grand purpose and a great plan..He was genetically engineered from creatures of nature and from the professor's own human DNA to create a being that is meant to resolve the conflict between human nature and nature itself in an overall positive way.He is a true one of a kind that was selected by destiny and fate and Professor Nowitall to be in his schoolhouse to become thoroughly educated by him and to then become highly magnified and step off of the screen (literally and metaphorically) into the open world to succeed at his destiny. But Oz failed the plan. The Wogglebug didn't fail Oz, the place failed him and his creator's plan. Professor Nowitall just hadn't foreseen that the Wogglebug would get involved with the wrong kind of people along the way.

The Scarecrow is a scary thing because he is not something that should even be alive at all. The Tin Woodman is even scarier because according to his origins he is not someone who should not be alive but is technically actually a dead brained human spirit that happens to be encased inside of an evilly possessed tin body.

Also because obviously the Scarecrow saw the Wogglebug as one who was better and smarter than him and just thought he had the right to try to take power of the Wogglebug's existence in the disguise that he was a friend of his when he was not, and the Tin Woodman being the Scarecrow's best man went right along gladly in trying to dupe the Wogglebug into thinking he was a problem as he was thinking "No one makes a fool of the Scarecrow, except the Scarecrow." While the Scarecrow stands by and thinks "Nick Chopper is my best mate as no opposer to my throne, or my superior brains for that matter, stands a chance against his kind heart or his sharp axe alive!"

And the Tin Woodman/Nick Chopper/Emperor of the Winkies (it should be King of the Winkies since the Winkie Country is only a kingdom) is really nightmarish, psychotic, psycopathic, hardheeaded asshole who is just prone to heart failures because of his lost humanity. His backstory of being dismembered one body part at a time is not at all appropriate for a childrens story or even something for all ages, it belongs solely in a horror film. I'm willing to bet he tried out to become one of the new villains on the Batman Animated Series show of the early 90s but was rejected because he would have brought too much gore and violence to an animated show that the producers wanted at least for early teenagers and up to enjoy. And if you don't believe me then consider this fact, there was actually a villain on the show known as the Scarecrow already! So at least one of them had been cast.

And the gruesome backstory Nick Chopper has is like something from medieval Tales From the Crypt and is downright inappropriate and most likely why the MGM movie (like most Oz films) neglect it even in mentioning. In one anime movie series of four books of the series from the 80s (the first two movies were almost completely faithful to the books but then began straying more and more from their sources). The Wogglebug wasn't included at all. And in the film based on the first book Nick Chopper did tell his backstory and we saw a flashback of just simply him as a human man cuddling next to his fiance and then he just suddenly turned into a man made of metal right before her eyes and just got up and walked away from her with a cold look on his face and she of course just dropped to the ground sobbing. It was so sad! But in being true to the book series he never went back to her and just went off to become the ruler of the Winkies living alone in his castle being too in love with himself to love anyone anymore. And in being true to the book also when the Wizard (who never returns) puts a heart into his chest he says "I hope the Tin Man is easy to fool as the Scarecrow was!" and then he goes in the movie after the next to brag that he lets his heart be his guide because it is a "a special one given to me by the great wizard of Oz and so it is never wrong!" And I couldn't stop shaking my head in disgust by the things he did in following it such as his battle with the growlywog monster. And a point made can be that if he had anywhere near the intelligence of the Wogglebug that it would not have taken him over ten books and two attempted endings of the series to remember WHY he wanted a heart in the first place.

And if you think that both the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman are not devoid of any false and foolish pride of their own that is a far worse thing than the Wogglebug could ever have even if he tried to, then consider this statement from a review on Amazon that may not be own but from a girl called Lika Laruku who reviews the Oz series as a whole (she rated it 5 stars). And said these things on the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman:

"When the Scarecrow wanted a brain, he wasn't as stupid as he thought he was, but when he got a brain, he wasn't nearly as smart as he claimed to be; indeed he managed to be simultaneously intuitive & dense with an undeservedly high opinion of himself. Nick Chopper a.k.a. Tin Woodsman always claimed that he had no heart & therefore no emotions, apparently not smart enough to figure out that emotions come from the brain. Once he gets his placebo swag of a heart & is asked to become king of the Winkies, he shows his immense ego. Nick LOVES bling, riches, statues & paintings of himself, replacing natural fauna with metal, plating himself in chrome & having his men polish him several times a day, bragging about how much stuff he has. The only thing he likes as much as himself is Scarecrow, & he really, REALLY likes Scarecrow."

It overall sounds to me like the Oz fans are insisting it is okay for everyone to believe what the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman claim about themselves is the truth and they can be beloved for them, and all their flaws also. But the Wogglebug should be only ever treated in the opposite way, per the say so of the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman. I think that is just wrong. And I have come to understand over the years, with confirmation lately direct from the source, that the college the Wogglebug runs of his own is not at all any need for Oz, it's just a prison for him to just "keep him busy and keep him out of everyone's hair" and without him even understanding about ANY of that. But it really just seems to me that guys like the Scarecrow, and Tin Woodman, and the Wizard want the Wogglebug kept out of the way ONLY because they realize he IS their superior and can prove it and thus prove them incorrect and inconsistent in their own foolish pride of their own abilities. If only they would let him. So therefore they are enemies to him if only just because they see him as an enemy to them only because of the folly of their own false pride.

And the truth is actually that @voiceguy is correct in that he tried to do the opposite of what I said but it ended up working in reverse because of all the facts I mentioned in the above paragraph and all the ones I explained in messages from before. The plot I thought of for the book I wrote, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" was actually inspired by him encouraging me to write a story about how the Wogglebug had been drastically transformed into his polar opposite and then was transformed back again. But the plot I actually wrote of was the polar opposite of what he had been encouraging me to write and I didn't tell him what I was going to actually write until after I brought the complete manuscript to him to read after it was published. The deal was I basically just prefer NOT to be kissing the asses of the Oz fans favorite characters but to be instead kicking them because of my love for the Wogglebug.

In my novels I have decided to get across my theory that the Wogglebug never had anything wrong with him in his inception and he was just around the wrong the people, in the wrong place, and in the wrong situations. I postulate how Oz (according to the original book series) is a nightmarish distopia vaguely disguised as a happy magic land, because it condemns everything that makes the Wogglebug the kind of hero he is. My aim is to convey in my novels this truth: The Wogglebug is fantasy reflection of the Wizard (Oscar Diggs) and he represents all of his better qualities in the same sense as the Wizard and Wogglebug are reflections of Baum and the Wizard is the lesser reflection and the Wogglebug is the better one.

@voiceguy shouldn't have ever not understood I need to convey that the Wogglebug had nothing wrong with him the whole time and that it was his so called "friends" who were true enemies to him all along who were responsible for the "curse" that came over him. And that my love for him is BASED on that and that is based likewise on my strong desire to give him his own fandom that has nothing to do with them and theirs and I love him so much I want to make it so he has no memory of that bad previous life. He is better than them and as such he deserves and needs better than them. He should have a fandom all his own that claims superiority over the Oz fandom because of the previous sentence alone that is why I design my new universe and storyline of his new life for him as I have.

He's lately been more agreeing with me after I explained some more about the plot points of my future novels to him and I want to actually get him to agree with me as much as possible. And I'm glad my former publisher was hurt by how I just left him and his followers on the statement that I wanted no friendship with him or any of his community, never did, and that the whole of being brought into it was all a terrible mistake that shouldn't have ever happened. If he actually really thought someone like me could ever get along with any of their lot any better than I just said then he deserves to have me punch him so brutally he will never get out of his wheelchair even if he ever could have. I will not take any of those words back.

You know why?

Because this is the SAME attitude the Oz fans show towards the Wogglebug all the time.

And so now my attitude toward them and their favorite characters makes us as good as even, so that we don't owe each other nothing and can just go our separate ways from each other forever. Being two separate fandoms that are competing against each other and wanting to get outsiders to choose one or the other. That is the way things are and should be always. If you must pick your battles and the ones you can win then I pick this battle with the Oz fandom and I shall fight to the death before anything else and I feel I can win.

The Oz fans ain't got no feelings worth giving any shit for. The more I offend them and make them feel their own cherished views of their favorite characters have been severely scarred and tainted the more I am happy with myself. All I want is for them to feel the same way about me mocking and belittling their own favorite characters for their origins and them personally at the same time that Don Reynolds had made me feel when he did it to my own. Especially because I cannot seem to make Don Reynolds the least bit sorry no matter what and so I can at least make him sorry because of all the other Oz fans reactions if not for his own. That is why at the end of my novels series I am having these things happen:

The Wogglebug and the Frogman and Terry find proof that the Wizard is a power-mad con-artist and a villain even if he doesn't think he is and no one else does. And find the Scarecrow was always cursed with idiocy before he brought to life by accident with paint mixed with the powder of life (he is not soul of a dead Oriental Emperor which I will have him jump to the conclusion of like Brad Watson has about being the second coming of Christ who never even came to begin with, and have the Wogglebug debunk him by finding out just what I said and that Emperor Chang Wang Woe was a fictional character actually). And that Nick Chopper had never really been a very good-hearted man in his "human" years even and that Nimmee Aimee never loved him anymore than he ever loved her. And that his heart contains a demon in it that the wizard put into it that came from himself when he practiced magic on him he didn't understand about when he wasn't even a real wizard (the same thing happened with the Scarecrow) and then only after does Terry throw the Truth Pond water onto him that he understands all that she and the Wogglebug and Frogman were telling him and the Scarecrow and he ultimately kills himself in front of his whole Winkie Kingdom. I also point out how Dorothy has ceased to be anything like who she used to be for the worst because in Oz she is little more than a living China Doll Princess and not like a real human girl like Terry Hayman certainly is and I use points that Baum himself put in his own works. And I have the Wogglebug declare that Ozma had been a fraud of a good ruler to have let all that happen and not even let him intervene. And he ultimately at the end just stands in front of all those characters and tells them off before turning his back on them and slamming the door and locking it and then leaving Oz to go to Genoma to have Professor Nowitall thrust rebirth on him and give him a better life than the one he already had.

Now here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyone kicks their legs they feel NOTHING, but if his are kicked he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as being as much of a person as any human could ever have the right to be. The fact is that he is a FAR superior and better and more ideal role model for this day and age and especially for young people than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman could ever dream to be (even if they could dream but can't since they can't sleep and have no mind's eye neither of course! Which are also things the Wogglebug has and which make him a better role model than them). The Wogglebug has feelings and needs both physically and emotionally and mentally also in ways that need to be cared for in the way of an actual human (and a bit deeper in some ways) which make him an ideal role model to teach about what real love is. Which is how I plan to do in my own fandom of a series of movies starring him away from Oz like he was never in Oz to begin with and there will be no Oz characters around him whatsoever and no characters like them (that is artificial beings that are not really meant to be alive but are and don't have intelligence and the ability to respect a superior worth crap, as I do not think the world the Wogglebug will now live in should allow those kinds of beings to come into being by their laws and so it will be a better place than Oz and not just for him but also a better place to gain wisdom from relatable to the real world.

The deal is this: Professor Nowitall (who is obviously a scholar, scientist, and inventor) is the creator as much as the educator of the Wogglebug. He had a reason as to why he created the wogglebugs as human-insect hybrids in a biology experiment, and a reason why he chose one to educate, and then a reason why he magnified it with the intention of it keeping its size and living among the human world. There was all a grand purpose for all of it. While Professor Nowitall created the Wogglebug in Oz and his origins all took place there, Professor Nowitall had a grand plan for him that never came into effect because Oz stopped allowing logic and reason for solutions and lost its natural aging aNow here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyonehurts them they feel NOTHING, but if he is hurt he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as b

Yes, indeed. I am just going to leave Oz in something of a state of devastation like I said. @voiceguy made me feel I NEED to do exactly that at the end of my series in order to keep with the original plan for the movie series taking place in Genoma just the way I always wanted it and was never going to change. Since he seems sure I cannot have two separate series in one and the other. And if I can only have one I want to have just the Genoma series. Like I said the Oz-related stories were supposed to be originally just online fanfiction to not be published or shared among the Oz fans at all to begin with and were always in an alternate universe. Now that I have published I want to clear up the false advertising done by Chris Dulabone as much as possible by telling the truth as I see it from now on, and declare I am NO teamplayer to the Oz community and darn proud of it. I mean, would anyone who was just a Wogglebug fan and not an Oz fan ever even think of any of the things I just outlined for the ending of my series?

The bottom line is Oz does not want the Wogglebug to belong to ts history and he shouldn't want to belong to it, either. If it ain't the fandom to be thinking as highly as I do about his origins and about him also then it just ain't the fandom for him, or for me either. I know I've said this before but I can't stress it enough. And some have stated plainly and more than once that they outright hate the Wogglebug and wishe he was never in the series to begin with. But what I would ultimately rather do is boomerang this attitude right back into such people's faces and make the statement that not only is the Wogglebug also better off without Oz but he deserves his own awesome fandom to himself like he wasn't in Oz to begin with and, since they stress they want to not see the Wogglebug in any movie series adaption to the Oz series if the day ever comes, then he shall have his OWN movie series that doesn't involve Oz or its characters and be better off without them altogether. Becoming the star he was always destined to be from the start.

Oz fans don't want him to belong to Oz history because of what they think of him as and can't see beyond the most narrow and negative of stereotypes concerning him. They only just "accept" him as such because Ozma "considers" him of "value" because of his vast knowledge of how history is or something. But she is a good-for-nothing FRAUD compared to what I can do for him with my Genoma series and fandom that is meant to actually make him a star for the making of history of new universe and Genoma in the storyline I've designed with respect for him. And Ozma (and Dorothy) will look so worthlessly pathetic and unhelpful to him and his life's journey in comparison to Sylvie, a girl who crosses borders from our world to Genoma and literally grows up with him and how he inspires her and she inspires him also along the way.

If Baum is doing "rollovers" in his grave right now it is because he probably deserves it because like I said before he never should have put him in Oz to begin with, especially after he even broke all his promises to him for a life filled with respect and recognition at the end just after the Wizard came back. He always should have put him in a separate book not Oz-related. And, not that I am religious, but I am helping him rest in peace by doing better with something he created for good purposes to begin with and separating it from Oz which is its own fandom that the MGM movie (and other versions such as The Wiz) have done their share of bettering also. And righting some wrongs that no Oz fan would care to.

And if any of you Kiwis and / or Oz fans were hurt by any of the above and I am still unfazed by any of the things you've said or done about me and my own fandom that is in the Wogglebug's favor, then I have as good as proven me and the Wogglebug are better than you and your favorite characters whether you like it or not. I am happy to give you all nightmares for the future. You don't have to be nice to me and I don't have to be nice to you at all, neither. I'll go so far as to say I believe if I wanted to be nice to the Oz fans at now of all times I would really be not meant to live my dreams and would be as weak and worthless and good for nothing as the same people who are so obsessed with the Oz series that they believe if they want to they make it real and go there when they die. The Wogglebug's own fandom shall destroy the illusion of Oz being a happy place and tear asunder all the previously believed to be good things about it.

And if this is anyone's question about: Can I just be like who they want me to be like? The Answer will always be a resounding NO!

Tl;DR she doesn't have money to make the creepy bug real and the bug is THE BEST OF THE BEST

 

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Even @Malady Twigs "super discount price" of $150 per minute still would still amount to around $10,000 for a two hour minute film (how long the final script is turning out to be). And to meet this, the lowest price to come by (according to a reliable source of a Facebook page dedicated to professional animators) would still take me a total of 10 to 12 years of nothing but saving for.

I got bored after the animation talk was over so I'm just gonna comment that... yeah, 10k for 2 hours worth of animation is a fucking steal. Have you ever looked at the average cartoon's cost per episode? Here's a page that gives you a total and breaks it down. 30 minutes amounts to about $145k, and that was for a pretty average series. It's some hard work, saving for a decade would be an improvement and still come out faster than a one-woman animation team.
I read this thread in its entirety months ago, and I still don't understand your obsession with this character. What the hell are you going to do with your life when you finish this movie? Especially when it's by some complete nobody, which means it's going to be watched by like a total of 10 people? There's no hidden genius here, in the end it's just going to be some... sad little old lady whose entire life amounted to loving a creepy lookin' roach.