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[LaxerBRO]

There's a perfect example of this on the front page today:

• public transit allows people to move around a city efficiently -> this benefits economy
• fewer traffic jams -> saved time -> better for economy

These points in conjunction are only true if the there is high ridership, a simple public transit route, and bad traffic.

High ridership has already been addressed so I will focus on a simple route and bad traffic. Just adding in one transfer with a 10 waiting period can make taking the rail inefficient. Regarding traffic, this really does depend on the city itself.

As an example, I grew up in Overland Park, KS and a major employer in the area is Cerner. Yet, at 0830 when traffic should be at its worst, Google does not indicate any significant traffic.


Even if traffic is bad, taking public transit can take just as long as a car. The example below is the travel time in one of the most congested cities in the US, NYC to its public transit system. As you can see both private car travel and public transit have the same amount of travel time.

I even steelmanned the Fuck Cars position by using the metro station as the origin point.

• no need to build massive car infrastructure in a city

Who is building this infrastructure? Highways don't really count as they are for regional travel. They could mean developers but the parking spaces generate economic activity too.

• more space for businesses and housing

At best, you get marginally more space with narrower streets.

• more space for sport activities -> save money on healthcare

Perhaps I could drive to the gym in the morning and get a good run in , then head over to my job. I can either jog three miles, get some steps in at work, then go home to walk my dogs or I could be sitting on a train.

• less pollution and noise -> save money on healthcare

Trains and trollies are plenty noisy. I have addressed this a few pagers ago.

• save money on road maintenance

Gas taxes pay for this maintenance. With less driving you get less taxes as such, their would be bot large surplus instead it should be parity.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Almost 23 feet feet even with a more precise rounding. That's getting into box truck territory. So we have a cargo "bike" as long as a small box truck with less speed and cargo capability. Lol. I still think @WelperHelper99's F150 is better fit for the job.

I don't have a F150 lol, but I've driven them plenty and wish I did. Yeah making a bike a truck and loading it full of bricks is asking for trouble.

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Update on our best friend from reddit, he's posted that epic maymay about how drumpf is literally hitler. Of course he also couldn't help himself from seething about cars in the comments of another post he made on that sub.

But gas is high faggot and wasn't under Trump. That's fascism to you? Grow a thicker skin.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

At best, you get marginally more space with narrower streets.

They also forget to remember that there's a supply and demand curve for these sorts of things too. Parking lots doesn't/didn't exist in cities for no reason--there wasn't enough demand to justify building an office tower or hotel or residential apartment building or whatever, and there's too much commercial real estate as-is, or in the wrong places.

This isn't to say there's "too much retail" (this is often used as a justification as to why we should take our one Walmart/grocery store and be happy with it instead of having a huge mall with department stores and specialty stores) but you can also see this in deteriorating areas, with empty retail and restaurant spaces.

There's of course a convenience aspect too, mixed-use tends to command higher rents but because of that I've seen mixed-use buildings struggle: even before the bottom started falling out on the local mall, an apartment building nearby with mixed-use struggled to keep tenants, with an Italian restaurant and yogurt place pulling out within a few years, and even mixed-use in some dense, walkable areas not able to keep up compared to the traditional strip mall tenants nearby.

As a result, mixed-use buildings and parking-limited areas don't tend to show up in cities as much because no one likes empty buildings...yet urbanists just blame zoning and that any mixed-use building can become an instant success.

 

[Peristaltic Pump]

Honestly a motorcycle and bike line combined for a freeway would be pretty cool.

Have a motorcycle with a rope towing a line of cyclists down the freeway. When the cyclists want to get off, they detach from the rope and shoot off down their respective exit.

 

[Lemon-Lime Turpentine]

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Thread of urbanists epically dunking on some Aussies for being unhappy with immigrants making their day to day lives worse.

Spoiler: OP pic of Aussie complaints

People don't like immigrants shitting up their public transportation. But, get this, they ALSO don't like immigrants shitting up their private transportation. Hypocrites much?

So true, so true. If more foreigners want to come into a country than what its infrastructure can handle, really it's the natives' fault for not having good enough infrastructure. Say it for the people in the back!

More immigrants means more traffic you say? Wait a minute bucko: what if the natives own more cars per capita than the immigrants? That's right, then it doesn't count. Check. And. Mate.

 

[LaxerBRO]

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Thread of urbanists epically dunking on some Aussies for being unhappy with immigrants making their day to day lives worse.

Spoiler: OP pic of Aussie complaints

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People don't like immigrants shitting up their public transportation. But, get this, they ALSO don't like immigrants shitting up their private transportation. Hypocrites much?

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So true, so true. If more foreigners want to come into a country than what its infrastructure can handle, really it's the natives' fault for not having good enough infrastructure. Say it for the people in the back!

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More immigrants means more traffic you say? Wait a minute bucko: what if the natives own more cars per capita than the immigrants? That's right, then it doesn't count. Check. And. Mate.

While it depends on the income of the immigrants, many tend to work two or even three jobs. With that mind, having a personal vehicle could be more efficient/ economical as it would take more time to use public transit vs. a personal car.

 

[xXthrowawayaccountXx]

People don't like immigrants shitting up their public transportation. But, get this, they ALSO don't like immigrants shitting up their private transportation. Hypocrites much?

This whole thread kind of illustrates a very basic problem with these people: they are incapable of understanding that a bad outcome can come from a "good" action.

Obviously, even if you are very pro-immigration, you should realize that unchecked immigration poses a problem. You can't expect to shove ten more fish into a fish tank that is at capacity and expect everything to be hunky dory. But instead of confronting this reality, they lie about it. Everything is fine with this obvious problem with an obvious fucking source, you are just imagining it!

Except you can't argue someone out of a problem they face regularly. That's just gaslighting. And when one side just refuses to listen, they go to another side that does.

But, leftists will call this radicalism. When the people they have not been listening to eventually start talking to the people that do.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

This whole thread kind of illustrates a very basic problem with these people: they are incapable of understanding that a bad outcome can come from a "good" action.

Obviously, even if you are very pro-immigration, you should realize that unchecked immigration poses a problem. You can't expect to shove ten more fish into a fish tank that is at capacity and expect everything to be hunky dory. But instead of confronting this reality, they lie about it. Everything is fine with this obvious problem with an obvious fucking source, you are just imagining it!

Except you can't argue someone out of a problem they face regularly. That's just gaslighting. And when one side just refuses to listen, they go to another side that does.

But, leftists will call this radicalism. When the people they have not been listening to eventually start talking to the people that do.

I just interpreted another example of their dumb zero sum game mindset. "How can immigrants be fucking up both public AND private transit, obviously immigrants can't use both, can they?"
They view population the same as someone playing City Skylines does, everyone is just a body ether taking up a slot on the street or a slot on the bus. If immigrants are fucking up transit, it must be due to sheer numbers. Ignoring the fact that it only takes a few lunchtime rowdies to ruin public transportation and immigrants are frequently pretty bad drivers which can amplify their impact on traffic. Remember, these are the people who think that you can't build walking or bike paths that are safe and don't interfere with car traffic, every strode built is a bike lane lost to them.

 

[quaawaa]

Jason is planning on visiting Japan (can't wait for him to call the Shibuya Crossing car-brained), NYC (probably going to be yet another historically inaccurate rant about Robert Moses), and unspecified European countries.
Also, he posts on Mastodon because it is unpopular:

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To the European fan, Jason is a Canadian which is culturally almost identical to an American and his content is mostly hating on the US because despite his claims to the contrary, he can't stop thinking about a country that he's never lived in.

He blocks servers with lots of Americans:

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He is successfully pushing away his American audience:

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He wants to ban Americans from watching his videos:

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How dare Eastern Europeans want cars and roads!

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He loves commie blocks (of course, he doesn't live in one himself):

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Those dumb Dutch should stop complaining about their housing crisis!

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Canada's housing crisis is due to their unlimited immigration policy, not because of urban sprawl. The federal government and all large city governments there are run by urbanists.

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For someone who doesn't think about America, he sure is seething a lot about Florida Man:

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By the way, this is what he is mad about:


Apparently requiring a traffic study and public comment makes "makes it almost impossible to convert a car lane to a bus lane or a bike lane". According to Jason, if you don't let unaccountable bureaucrats redesign your city, you hate freedom.

He also left out that bill tells the Florida Rail Enterprise to invest in high-speed rail:



It also makes it a crime for cyclists to ignore railroad crossings:

I guess this is another right-wing attack on good urbanism?

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Apparently he has a bunch of secret videos:

Patreon Link (Archive)
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Apparently being a Nebula paypig isn't enough to qualify you as a "fan of the channel".

 

[PozzedByCoronachan]

I found the playlist of Patreon-only videos if you were interested + a Q&A stream
the Playlist

Buying a Bag of Milk in Fake London - Extended Edition​

Samsung Digital City

Hoofdweg vs. the Wrong Way to Design a Street​

NJB Reacts: Shifter Cycling to the Hardware Store (feat. Mrs. NJB)​

Tuinparks (Community Gardens) in Amsterdam​

Swapfiets Lease Bikes​

Car-Free Giethoorn​

Cycling The IJtunnel​

Haarlemmer Houttuinen​

The Frans Halsbuurt Parking Garage​

Amsterdam By Boat​

Patreon Q&A Livestream - November 2023​

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Apparently requiring a traffic study and public comment makes "makes it almost impossible to convert a car lane to a bus lane or a bike lane". According to Jason, if you don't let unaccountable bureaucrats redesign your city, you hate freedom.

Ha ha, that's not going to be an issue since every traffic study according to urbanists seems to support bicycles/mass transit, right? Right?

 

[Apple Porcupine]

I found the playlist of Patreon-only videos if you were interested + a Q&A stream
the Playlist

Buying a Bag of Milk in Fake London - Extended Edition​

Samsung Digital City

Hoofdweg vs. the Wrong Way to Design a Street​

NJB Reacts: Shifter Cycling to the Hardware Store (feat. Mrs. NJB)​

Tuinparks (Community Gardens) in Amsterdam​

Swapfiets Lease Bikes​

Car-Free Giethoorn​

Cycling The IJtunnel​

Haarlemmer Houttuinen​

The Frans Halsbuurt Parking Garage​

Amsterdam By Boat​

Patreon Q&A Livestream - November 2023​

There's a hidden video not in this playlist, an older version of his "we won't raise our kids in suburbia" video.

There's nothing noteworthy about that one, but something a little more noteworthy is there's a video that appears to be completely lost in which he talks about Sinterklaas and Dutch Christmas traditions in general, in which he, a Canadian, comes in and tells another country about how horribly racist they're being. He also uses it as a reason to take more potshots at "ignorant Americans" who I'm increasingly convinced he's made up in his brain.

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In an alternate timeline he moved to Spain instead and has a nervous breakdown every Easter.

 

[Absolutego]

Jason is planning on visiting Japan (can't wait for him to call the Shibuya Crossing car-brained), NYC (probably going to be yet another historically inaccurate rant about Robert Moses), and unspecified European countries.
Also, he posts on Mastodon because it is unpopular:

Source (Archive)
To the European fan, Jason is a Canadian which is culturally almost identical to an American and his content is mostly hating on the US because despite his claims to the contrary, he can't stop thinking about a country that he's never lived in.

He blocks servers with lots of Americans:

Source (Archive)

He is successfully pushing away his American audience:

Source (Archive)

He wants to ban Americans from watching his videos:

He is such a distilled stereotype of the Canadian with an inferiority complex who constantly seethes about a country that barely even registers his existence.

 

[AdmiralRenae]

Motorcycles aren't talked about very often but when they do, they seethe. (4chan /n/ archive).

As expected of /n/iggers.

Looks like it got deleted somehow, it's not in his record. (Also he got auto-rejected from McDonald's, lol).


Gosh, so many things wrong with that. First is the shifting use of the word "efficient", public transit is only efficient when full, not actually making things work better. You can't also have more businesses because for every business you need them to be supplied properly (with big trucks and stuff) unless you want things to be stupidly expensive because they can't get it there by normal truck (Manhattan, isolated places like islands).

The other thing is assuming that more people = better. I've brought up Delhi before. On paper, it looks like a winner. Twice as dense as Tokyo. Second largest city in the world. And it has serviceable rail transit. Reality is it's not even the best economy in India because of a massive poverty problem, and a shithole both metaphorically and in the literal sense.

Plus, there isn't actually a functional city that they describe that works the way they imagine. Tokyo has an extensive road network with elevated highways in downtown. Amsterdam has wide avenues and numbered highways. New York City may have low car ownership but rely heavily on a taxi system.

This is not even getting into the "externalities" part, which is literally "fuck you, that's why" reasoning.

There's a perfect example of this on the front page today:
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For some inexplicable reason, I've noticed that people who live next door to restaurants and whose only exercise is the "Gym of Life" tend to be quite fat:
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Even Japan privatized its rail system under JR. Before that It was doing quite poorly.

 

[Midwit]

they are incapable of understanding that a bad outcome can come from a "good" action.

Remember, these are the people who think that you can't build walking or bike paths that are safe and don't interfere with car traffic, every strode built is a bike lane lost to them.

They also hate the idea of grade seperated infrastructure because it's benefits apply to all types of traffic, and since that would logically include road vehicles they vehemently despise it despite it being the best solution for urban mobility, price notwithstanding.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Road Guy Rob talks about Minneapolis's new BRT system.

 

[Aegir]

They can't afford it and therefore it's evil and a cage for the sheeple.

a brand new motorcycle is like $5k lol. you can get a used motorbike for less than most used mid range ebikes. Give up on looking cool in the name of comfort, and you can get a 300-500cc scooter for even cheaper.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Road Guy Rob talks about Minneapolis's new BRT system.

I made a RGR thread in off topic.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

A leaf on /r/fuckcars takes the mask off, then the comments start up with "THIS IS WHAT CONSERVATIVES ACTUALLY BELIEVE" and "actually you get money back with the carbon tax!" defenses.




(Link to individual posts, 1: source, archive 2: source, archive)

 

[CEO of Gay]

They also hate the idea of grade seperated infrastructure because it's benefits apply to all types of traffic, and since that would logically include road vehicles they vehemently despise it despite it being the best solution for urban mobility, price notwithstanding.

This has got to be one of the biggest factors that make them useless, self-defeating faggots. Grade separating the different types of traffic would make everything better for all those different types. But because cars would benefit, no, we can't have any grade separation at all. Don't you dare build a pedestrian bridge over that busy urban intersection Don't you dare put bike paths on separate corridors to the main streets, with under and over passes to prevent at-grade crossings. Don't you dare build an elevated section of highway with higher speed limits, exclusive for cross-town busses and high-occupancy cars. None of that can be allowed, because it doesn't punish cars.

The phrase "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" comes to mind.