Warhammer 40k

[Humble Architect]

Sorry to interrupt tourist rage-fest. Nice cozy chat with John Blanche about what a pain it is to draw Space Marines.

Love his art of that Thunder Warrior with a Sarum-style CSM helmet. That man’s art does more for inspiration than any codex nowadays.

Looks like a cozy interview, put it in my watch later

 

[p1138]

Now that is news to me, well not the (totally legitimate) death threats but him actually being hired. I missed most of it so thanks for catching me up to speed.

Yeah it happened really quick in the span of a week or some shit. Since he wasn't a weirdo in the west, and how fucking insane asian fans of anything tend to be, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.

Jesus Christ, well I certainly lost all respect I had for him. Praise be to space king. Also I did mention "other people have done animations of 40k stuff since Alfabusa quit without issue or mention from GW as well" a few posts ago, the "ultimatum" that GW gave was all hot air.

Yeah I know you and some other people had mentioned other people doing animations with GW doing fuck all about it. What it really boils down to is being unable to print GW shit on t-shirts and whatever else and sell it as merch(which is what Flashgitz is doing with spaceking in addition to the patreon(11k paid members, lowest tier is $2, the math is pretty easy) but they actually produce content. Alfabusa, as much as I like some of the memes, and thought the series was going to shit when he did do an episode toward the end(due to the serious nature of the lame story, and wanting to get away from the comedy) kind of reminded me of Red vs Blue. Was funny and great to watch to start with, then tried to become "serious" and it went to shit.

The fact that these people are so comfortable setting their plastic toy products at such high prices goes to show that the demand is high. And they're not reacting to this ''fan backlash'' at all; no lowering prices, no attempts at meeting the fans halfway, it means that GW is confident that the consumers will buy their products, and buy in bulk. And why wouldn't they? It happened before, it'll happen again. The fans will cry to high heaven and say ''this is such an unforgivable offense, we'll never buy anything from GW ever again!'' GW calls their bluff, and by month's end, the newest 40K product line is sold out in stores, online or physical, and the hoarders on Ebay are making a killing re-selling those model kits for twice or thrice the price GW sold them at.

The scalper thing cracks me up. GW sells a hardback book with a fancy cover, scalpers with bots can sell it for 3x the price on launch day, people gnash their teeth and whine, but then the scalpers sell out still. The prices on ebay for the special edition of the end and the death part 3 have gone UP since that was released(damn near $500 now instead of just 400). If the demand wasn't there, and idiot consumers weren't willing to pay up for bullshit, the scalpers would be left holding onto inventory. It was the same story with shit like people scalping playstation 5 systems, if morons weren't willing to pay 2-3x(or more) the cost, they wouldn't be scalping them. All the while GW knows how much the scalpers can charge, and doesn't increase their prices to match.

People were angry last week with the dropped AoS models. A few beastmen players came out of the woodwork to complain, most of the bitching wasn't from people who had even played against a beastmen army let alone owned one themselves.

Every time a new kill team comes out, it sells out, people bitch, people continue to buy.

The complaints and outrage over their stupid warhammer TV masterclass painting videos not showing the presenter's faces because they had been losing staff who could take an audience to their own youtube channel. In the end, GW did start filming faces later, but no one actually fucking cared because there are better painting tutorials all over youtube for free.

The big NDA controversy where GW had people they sent product to as cheap marketing were signing documents couldn't say they agreed to get free shit. Not only are NDAs nothing new, everyone already knew they existed, the complaining had no effect on GW.

The outrage over GW supposedly sending every fan animator a C&D. GW hasn't seen any impact.

Primaris... the company stock value has skyrocketed. People still complain about primaris, that complaining has accomplished nothing.

A couple idiots burned their WHFB armies on reddit and shit in protest of AoS. People still bitch about AoS. Now AoS sells, people play it, tournaments happen. No impact at all on GWs pocket.

Outrage about the Chapterhouse lawsuit. GW still doing just fine.

Before the leagues of votann thing, people were still complaining about what happened to squats decades later. GW didn't seem to care, and didn't have to.

I'm sure I could take the time to recall even more instances of people needing to boycott GW, it never fucking happens, and if anything GW rebounds with growth every damned time. The cost of freight shipping drastically increasing, the pandemic starting and ending, a global recession. These are the things that have major impact on GWs revenue, not some people here, on discord, on youtube, on dakkadakka, reddit, or anywhere else claiming they'll never buy a GW product again due to some controversy because the day of the week ended in a Y.

 

[Fungible penis]

Love his art of that Thunder Warrior with a Sarum-style CSM helmet. That man’s art does more for inspiration than any codex nowadays.

Looks like a cozy interview, put it in my watch

It's good stuff. He's less grumpy/fed up with Space Marines than I imagined. Sad to not hear his side of the story re: forcing the Perry twins to make the chaos dwarf hats as comically large as he wanted.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Sorry to interrupt tourist rage-fest.

Who are the tourists? Name them.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That's how it works sometimes. You wanting a company to die doesn't magically make it happen and your only power over GW, or any company for that matter, is the money you decide to give them. When a company pisses you off for any reason, the only thing you can control if you. What other people do during a boycott shouldn't matter to you. Not everything you're a part of has to be some big, viral media spectacle. If they piss enough people off, then they'll feel it eventually, but the only satisfaction you should derive from participating in a boycott is depriving them of YOUR business.

If every person that hated this decision never gave GW a penny ever again, they will still go on being the biggest wargame on the planet. You don't have the individual power to change that, but you can have the discipline over how you spend your own money. Like I said earlier, I stopped giving GW money before I had been around long enough to know that female marines didn't exist. I boycott them because I'm not about to pay $100 for less than an ounce of fragile plastic that isn't rare and will eventually be obsolete. My boycott continues to be successful regardless of what happens to GW. I can't make them lose millions, but I can make them lose hundreds, and I'm pretty good at it.

The difference is, other fandoms have caused more of a stir. SW fans didn't like The Last Jedi, so they let Solo bomb and Disney had to retool Rise of Skywalker as well as bring out The Mandalorian and Season 7 of The Clone Wars as an apology. Right now, Disney's losing money on SW because the fans don't like the recent output from Filoni. Meaning that the SW fans were dead-serious when they proclaimed that Disney won't be getting their money for fucking up their franchise. That, my friend, is what a successful boycott looks like.

Meanwhile, GW is still laughing their way to the bank despite all these grand calls of boycotts which have been going on for years. They can put out official lore depicting the God Emperor as a transsexual Mexican woman, and the 40K fans would scream to high heaven that this violates the canon, but at the end of the day, they'll still buy official merchandise, they'll still show up in wargaming events, and they won't say anything when the dude with the 3D-printed custom models gets kicked out of the tournament. So GW has no reason to listen to their complaints; doing things like Primaris Marines, jacking up the price tag, or Fem Custodes won't hurt their bottom line.

The scalper thing cracks me up. GW sells a hardback book with a fancy cover, scalpers with bots can sell it for 3x the price on launch day, people gnash their teeth and whine, but then the scalpers sell out still. The prices on ebay for the special edition of the end and the death part 3 have gone UP since that was released(damn near $500 now instead of just 400). If the demand wasn't there, and idiot consumers weren't willing to pay up for bullshit, the scalpers would be left holding onto inventory. It was the same story with shit like people scalping playstation 5 systems, if morons weren't willing to pay 2-3x(or more) the cost, they wouldn't be scalping them. All the while GW knows how much the scalpers can charge, and doesn't increase their prices to match.

That is the point I was making. Demand for GW products is still at an all-time high despite all the crap they've pulled. Hell, scalping GW products specifically is a profitable gig for enterprising individuals. They'll start scalping new books, new models, etc., preorder them when they come out, and when they're sold out, these scalpers sell them back at the market for 3 or 5 times the buying price. The grognards will whine and gnash their teeth, but they will still buy. They always will. And the scalpers will be happy and rich.

People were angry last week with the dropped AoS models. A few beastmen players came out of the woodwork to complain, most of the bitching wasn't from people who had even played against a beastmen army let alone owned one themselves.

Every time a new kill team comes out, it sells out, people bitch, people continue to buy.

The complaints and outrage over their stupid warhammer TV masterclass painting videos not showing the presenter's faces because they had been losing staff who could take an audience to their own youtube channel. In the end, GW did start filming faces later, but no one actually fucking cared because there are better painting tutorials all over youtube for free.

The big NDA controversy where GW had people they sent product to as cheap marketing were signing documents couldn't say they agreed to get free shit. Not only are NDAs nothing new, everyone already knew they existed, the complaining had no effect on GW.

The outrage over GW supposedly sending every fan animator a C&D. GW hasn't seen any impact.

Primaris... the company stock value has skyrocketed. People still complain about primaris, that complaining has accomplished nothing.

A couple idiots burned their WHFB armies on reddit and shit in protest of AoS. People still bitch about AoS. Now AoS sells, people play it, tournaments happen. No impact at all on GWs pocket.

Outrage about the Chapterhouse lawsuit. GW still doing just fine.

Before the leagues of votann thing, people were still complaining about what happened to squats decades later. GW didn't seem to care, and didn't have to.

I'm sure I could take the time to recall even more instances of people needing to boycott GW, it never fucking happens, and if anything GW rebounds with growth every damned time. The cost of freight shipping drastically increasing, the pandemic starting and ending, a global recession. These are the things that have major impact on GWs revenue, not some people here, on discord, on youtube, on dakkadakka, reddit, or anywhere else claiming they'll never buy a GW product again due to some controversy because the day of the week ended in a Y.

This is why all the videos online claiming that GW has finally gone woke and have turned against the fans just make me laugh. They've been turning against their own fans for DECADES now. Even in the 90s you had price hikes and lore changes that were so drastic, some people were losing their patience. Yet people continued to buy the product and keep GW's coffers full. This drama with the Fem Custodes won't change anything. Any more than the shit with the Primaris Marines, Age of Sigmar, the Cease and Desist orders for fan animations, or the many price hikes did. The fans back then claimed that they would boycott GW, that GW has gone too far, yet the products on the store are sold out after they come out, GW is laughing their way to the bank, and the scalpers are counting their profits.

History will keep repeating itself, nothing ever changes, at least with this hobby.

 

[MeltyTW]

Me either to be frank, they're rare so I assume people just lump them all together as "femoids trying to steal my hobby" or something.

maybe some people are unlucky enough where all the women in their life is like this one girl i just saw make a popular tweet where not asking "excuse me maam may i kiss you" makes you a rapist

edit also thinking on this "they hate us but need us so they berate us for leaving" thing i noticed thinking on it today that they bitch how confederate sympathizers are just traitors and should gtfo yet they cheer attempts to force us back in. im noticing a pattern.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

edit also thinking on this "they hate us but need us so they berate us for leaving" thing i noticed thinking on it today that they bitch how confederate sympathizers are just traitors and should gtfo yet they cheer attempts to force us back in. im noticing a pattern.

Also the gaslighting of the fan exodus by calling them "tourists," don't forget that.

 

[MeltyTW]

Also the gaslighting of the fan exodus by calling them "tourists," don't forget that.

well tbf warhammer is now about gay sex and pegging, which is apparently gaysexshop's vision for the future so theyre right. gw never wanted us and never did. to the creators warhammer isnt about models or painting its about how far you can take a mommy dom up the asshole. thats the legacy they want for 40k.

 

[MustIBeLoggedInToDoThat?]

I'm going to throw my two cents in even though I'm late to the party.

I hate that they have done this, I don't care how much lore you've read or that there wasn't a specific ruling on it until now. The emperors genetic supersoldiers have always been male and should always be.
Anyone who says this is a good change or is not a change at all because "since the first 10000, there have always been" is simply being dishonest. This is obviously a change they've made for political purposes.

That being said, I'm unfazed by this. I like 40K and as long as GW keeps making models I like, I will buy and paint them. I don't buy codexes any more though, codexes are stupid expensive and the new art in them really sucks. Which is why I got into it in the first place, the old art was just amazing.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Lets be real, all of the kvetching going on in this thread isn't going to stop any of you purchasing the new plastic crack GW put out.

No one buys the figures anymore. Even less actually play the games. They are making their money on merchandise, toys, books, board games, shirts, and licensed content. Warhammer Fantasy and 40K are like Star Wars or Game of Thrones. Star Wars started out as a series of movies but makes all of its money from merchandise now. Game of Thrones was a book series, under a different title and not even complete, and now makes money on literally anything and everything other than the actual ASOIAF books.

The figures and tabletop games are almost an afterthought at this point. Because the paypigs and whales are consuming literally anything and everything except what Warhammer and 40K originally started out as. You can tell that most of what happens with Warhammer Fantasy and 40K on the actual table are haphazardly designed. Basically directionless.

The fact is that Games Workshop knows it can make money off of the WH and 40K franchises without needing its older tabletop focused fans. It's not longer a company of passion or design. Just some big corporate entity.

I'm also going to put my cards on the table, I like 40k for the lore, only, I'm not artistic or autistic enough to play the tabletop.

The new WH or 40K fan in a nutshell.

 

[00R-Gundam]

Gentleman, should i get a Custodes combat patrol to start or should i wait for the new ones?

 

[Iron Father]

Funny thing Yarrick was implied to be gay.

I read Imperial Creed and never saw shit about Yarrick being gay.
Maybe I missed it? That's the book all the pridefags reference as the evidence.

 

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Gentleman, should i get a Custodes combat patrol to start or should i wait for the new ones?

That's a tough call. The new one is pretty damn good. But the old one is also pretty damn good.

New one is basically your core of your army. Old one is IIRC some SoS (which you do NOT want to buy otherwise as they're a bad deal), some Guard, and 3 bikes.

Ironically one of each works great, since they complement each other well. I read somewhere it puts you close to 2000 points right away if you turn some of the guards/wardens into characters, but that can't be right.

Lets see...

New one is:
3 Terminators
5 Warden
5 Guard
1 Blade Champion

Old one is:
10 SoS
3 Bikers
5 Guard

Amazon has the old one on sale for 15% off, and sometimes it drops lower. This is time limited tho cause once the new one comes out the old one will likely no longer be available.

 

[That Chris Guy]

To me, it's terrible lorewise that they're laying the groundwork for Girl Marines, but such is also the consequence of playing boring faggoty humans.

On a more serious note, the thing about successful boycotts is that it helps when you have a tangible competitor to jump over to that the company of interest knows you're leaving for. MvC: Infinite was a bad game, but Capcom was confident that didn't matter since they were the only game in town that offered modern tag-2D fighting...that is, until the surprise announcement of DragonBall FighterZ. After that, Infinite died within 3 months from all its scummy practices and no longer having a stranglehold on the genre - two of the largest names in their industries (Marvel and Capcom) had their game fucking die while Marvel was at its zenith with Infinity War.

Unfortunately, GW has no actual rival or competition that could give them a run for their money. You would need a line of products that consistently beats GW's in quality for cheaper prices, is more popular, and has better gameplay and support. That, and a fucking massive IP behind it. Even Star Wars and Marvel are fighting over the tablescraps left by GW without any further traction. What could beat it? One Piece? Warcraft/Starcraft if Blizzard wasn't shitting their pants at every turn? It requires an astronomical investment to compete against GW in the tabletop, and they know it.

 

[MeltyTW]

Unfortunately, GW has no actual rival or competition that could give them a run for their money.

well i mean you can just print models and not spend a fortune for overpriced materials pirate the rules. theres also the fact it takes alot of time and money so spending all that just to be told youre a racist and to suck tranny cock youre not going to be happy during that time anyway. you dont really have this mind numbing mechanism where you just zone out to episode 500 or tiktok clip 4 you have to stew on how the company hates you while handing over a kings ransom to paint and craft in intricate detail.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

The way GW dies is people just keep using the IP but reject GW's future changes to it.

3D Printers, 3D Scanners, and old books.

If someone decides to take say 3rd edition and backport the modern figurines and whatnot to it, maybe release a fan created 3.5 edition with rules fixes, then we'll see GW lose their goddamned minds.

 

[Abella]

Something that’s always annoyed me are the “consoom to own the chuds” people. It’s like when CGL had that gay community statement thing and people were like “now I will consume your product” like what was stopping you before? Why not just buy stuff because you genuinely enjoy it? Why do you need pandering to enjoy something.

These people rarely show up to any LGS to play despite so many of them trying to use it as an argument and cudgel against the other side, saying they’re worse because they play at each other’s houses. These kinds of people are very unserious people and part of why my interest in infinity dropped after a while. The game is retarded with the way things were balanced, but you couldn’t even get these people to show up one (1) day of the week to play, and if they did show up by a miracle of god, they’d bring as few points as possible and ask to play a pickup game that requires you to make a smaller squad than you had prepared for the agreed points value.

Also lmao, paying that $24 markup.

 

[Iron Father]

Nothing screams True Fan™ like taking photos of the minis you just bought. Almost like it's a rare event for you...

 

[Abella]

Owning the chuds by consuming products at a markup above MSRP. Like there’s a lot of these people, mostly numales and troons, that do this. It’s not an own by any means, especially when the product, like with magic cards, is trash. You’re spending money to spite people on the internet that don’t care.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Something that’s always annoyed me are the “consoom to own the chuds” people. It’s like when CGL had that gay community statement thing and people were like “now I will consume your product” like what was stopping you before? Why not just buy stuff because you genuinely enjoy it? Why do you need pandering to enjoy something.

These people rarely show up to any LGS to play despite so many of them trying to use it as an argument and cudgel against the other side, saying they’re worse because they play at each other’s houses. These kinds of people are very unserious people and part of why my interest in infinity dropped after a while. The game is retarded with the way things were balanced, but you couldn’t even get these people to show up one (1) day of the week to play, and if they did show up by a miracle of god, they’d bring as few points as possible and ask to play a pickup game that requires you to make a smaller squad than you had prepared for the agreed points value.

Also lmao, paying that $24 markup.

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It's the exact opposite. The lore chuds who are screaming to high hell over these changes typically haven't played a game or assembled an army for years.