Warhammer 40k

It was way worse in 2nd and 3rd Edition which had Grimnar impotently standing by and watching the people of Armageddon be herded off for sterilization and into the labor camp.
I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.
 
Hot take: 40k fans deserve to have their hobby shat on for tolerating the BS pricing GW has engaged in over the past few years.
That’s the biggest problem, but people seem to just ignore that the prices are retardedly high.
Reading this post reminded me of this review I saw on Amazon.

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This reminds me of the reserve list apologists in magic that tell you that you’re just going to have to pay $800 for a piece of cardboard if you want to play the game consistently. Also lmao @ calling their miniatures “AAA quality”, I’m waiting on a replacement sprue for a canoness because the plastic injection only filled halfway and GW takes their sweet time. While I do appreciate the quality being better than when I left, it’s definitely not AAA.
Which again, is part of the reason why I don't think all their yammering will matter for anything. They're not the customers. So their disapproval matters very little.
That’s something that I’ve never understood: they don’t play games, but they’re angry about them.
 
I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.
Rubric Marines stay winning!
 
I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.
Nah some of the best 40k fiction in recent years has come out of the Necrons retcon, Infinite and the Divine and the Twice Dead King books come to mind.

They're alot more interesting than rip off terminator "Chaos Androids". Necrons are my favourite 40k faction by far though so I'm biased.

The thing I dislike about modern 40k the most is how they handle Chaos, they're beaten constantly in the lore but still somehow advance their goals all the time through some shadowy side objective or something, just let them have some proper wins ffs.
 
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Reading this post reminded me of this review I saw on Amazon.

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LOL, what's funny is this idiot almost has a point but is going about it the wrong way. yes, GW minis are expensive and overpriced. It's 5 cents worth of injection molded plastic, for which the molds even if they cost 100k were amortized ages ago(considering the ages of some of these things) being sold at $10+ a mini for a 2 inch tall plastic dude that you still have to paint. However, in the words of George Carlin "Hobbies cost money, interests are quite free". The simple reality is, plenty of other hobbies cost as much if not far more than 40k.

Anything related to vehicles or motorsports is going to be costing you more in tools, track fees, maintenance, etc. than 40k will.
Sports. other than maybe some bullshit like pickleball, most sports that require more than a pair of shoes and some workout clothes will have a large cost associated with it.
Outdoor activities. Fishing, hunting, target shooting, camping/backpacking, hiking. These things all have large associated costs for equipment and travel.
Vidya games. Consoles are $400+. Video cards that aren't a potato are $1000+ now. And they go obsolete quicker than GW squats minis.
Art. Yep, art. Takes up space, has a material cost just like painting minis(usually a better ratio of cost for the volume of paint but that's a separate topic with regards to painting minis). Clay, canvas, all that shit costs money. Need someone else's studio space or a kiln? Costs money.
Music. Instruments, lessons, the shit costs money. Digital music? Still need controllers and software(which you could pirate) that costs money.
Collecting/consooming. Coins, stamps, gold, comics, cards, etc. Unless you're just collecting random river rocks, this shit costs money and occupies space.
Home chemistry.. have to buy equipment and supplies.
RC vehicles from drones and planes to cars and rock crawling trucks. This shit gets expensive over time, assuming you didn't simply start with expensive shit.
 
hmmm some 4 chan posts is a "leak" that the femstodes are because of the Amazon TV show. It was the producers of the TV show who demanded femstodes be inserted not GW. GW wanted a SoB character but got threaten with pulling both Cavil's show and the up coming Esienhorn show.

It's a 4 chan post so take it with a grain of salt but Assy made a video about it.


your mileage may vary.
 
This reminds me of the reserve list apologists in magic that tell you that you’re just going to have to pay $800 for a piece of cardboard if you want to play the game consistently. Also lmao @ calling their miniatures “AAA quality”, I’m waiting on a replacement sprue for a canoness because the plastic injection only filled halfway and GW takes their sweet time. While I do appreciate the quality being better than when I left, it’s definitely not AAA.
Their quality is really good when it works - they might be second only to Bandai in that regard.
Plus, as any video gamer could tell you, non-existent QA is a core part of the AAA experience. :shit-eating:
I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.
I'd say everything they've revealed about the backstory - the Horus Heresy is a 20+ year, endlessly prolific exercise in turning a founding myth into capeshit. Everything that they've revealed about the War in Heaven is, if anything, even worse. That said, none of that applies to 40k per se - it's all distant history in-setting. For that, I'd need to point to the Eldar writing by Gav Thorpe and his ilk. They're a dying race with great foresight written as throwing themselves toward Guard-level casualties and constantly losing, going against pretty much every description in Codices and the like of how they're actually supposed to operate.
Rubric Marines stay winning!
The completely different army of scheming, politicking Egyptian sorcerer-kings leading around their armies of cursed automata that were once men.
 
Anyone remember that faggot bitshammer bitching at the warhammer twitter a few years ago about a 4chan post claiming to be an executive or something at GW?

I remember the post basically said 'so long as I am here there will never be female marines' if we take that as true, that means until now this person has been able to stop the faggotory because it's all been in house however he wouldn't be able to do shit with investors willing to do anything for amazon bucks, if this above post is true then fem custodes was likely a concession.

I'm very wary of anything from 4chan, but I can see this being a distinct possibility.
 
Anything related to vehicles or motorsports is going to be costing you more in tools, track fees, maintenance, etc. than 40k will.
Even if you could afford to drop the cost of a Lamborghini (or even a Corvette or Mustang) on GW miniatures, it's not like you have the time to paint and assemble them, learn the rules, and actually play with your army at a local store or against people in your area. You might have the time to research, purchase, assemble, paint, store, carry, and play with an army only a few times a week tops if you are dedicated. And you might need to buy additional units because the meta at your local store is competitive. Or some rules change might necessitate purchasing different units. Which means more time assembling and painting and researching.

These people who brag about owing "tons of money worth of 40K" cannot possibly be painting or playing or even enjoying the hobby. Because there comes a point beyond even a few thousand dollars where the time required far exceeds any money you can spend. Yeah sure you can spend $50K on miniatures. But how many years is it actually going to take to assemble, paint, research, and play a game with them?

The people who spew on social media about their "insane WH purchases" honestly probably do not even own anything. Because if they actually owned $20K worth of WH Fantasy and 40K miniatures each year they'd literally never have to leave their home with the amount of assembling and painting they would need to be doing day and night.
 
Nah some of the best 40k fiction in recent years has come out of the Necrons retcon, Infinite and the Divine and the Twice Dead King books come to mind.

They're alot more interesting than rip off terminator "Chaos Androids". Necrons are my favourite 40k faction by far though so I'm biased.

The thing I dislike about modern 40k the most is how they handle Chaos, they're beaten constantly in the lore but still somehow advance their goals all the time through some shadowy side objective or something, just let them have some proper wins ffs.
My biggest issue with Chaos is how despite them being universally insane cultists they seem to have better logistics than the Imperium itself.
 
There’s some great videos on the creation of Warhammer 40K and fantasy. It’s an underrated channel imo.

QP for the longest time was trying to will Warhammergate into existence. He bought an 8th edition starter which he had in the background but his lack of familiarity with the subject aggravated a lot of people.
Those are really cool.

It's interesting he mentioned how 40k was initially planned as just a small add-on to warhammer fantasy. Take the fantasy models, give them scifi guns and let people play them in a scifi setting. GW wasn't even a miniature company from the start, they sold all types of games. Their miniature range was stuff like DnD figurines. Then they made fantasy and that sold so they capitalized on it. They found a niche that other games didn't cater to. And then they did the same with 40k.

Do a lot of small things inspired by more popular games until you find something that sells, then build on that and make your own thing. Seems more realistic than just trying to replace ips that has gone down in quality. Should only take 30-50 years.

I also like how he mentions they had to switch from lead based white metal to tin based pewter due to regulations and how he hates pewter because it's much harder and therefore a bitch for conversions and drilling.
 
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Even if you could afford to drop the cost of a Lamborghini (or even a Corvette or Mustang) on GW miniatures, it's not like you have the time to paint and assemble them, learn the rules, and actually play with your army at a local store or against people in your area. You might have the time to research, purchase, assemble, paint, store, carry, and play with an army only a few times a week tops if you are dedicated. And you might need to buy additional units because the meta at your local store is competitive. Or some rules change might necessitate purchasing different units. Which means more time assembling and painting and researching.

These people who brag about owing "tons of money worth of 40K" cannot possibly be painting or playing or even enjoying the hobby. Because there comes a point beyond even a few thousand dollars where the time required far exceeds any money you can spend. Yeah sure you can spend $50K on miniatures. But how many years is it actually going to take to assemble, paint, research, and play a game with them?

The people who spew on social media about their "insane WH purchases" honestly probably do not even own anything. Because if they actually owned $20K worth of WH Fantasy and 40K miniatures each year they'd literally never have to leave their home with the amount of assembling and painting they would need to be doing day and night.
Sure but that's my point. None of these people own $50k worth of warhammer minis. Yes, there is a very very small handful of people out there who own 100k points worth of chaos shit or whatever. Even the rare handful of people who own multiple titans. 5 or 6 of those still isn't going to equate to something as "cheap" as getting a used miata and setting it up for track use(safety equipment, trailer to haul it, tires, regular maintenance, fire suit and helmet, and so on) and then track and league fees on top of that. Plus, once you've painted those minis, yeah you might want to get some more every year, but you're not actually buying $2000 worth of minis annually even for a few armies just to keep up with releases. 40k is expensive for what it is, but it's far from being an expensive hobby if you actually look at some other not even uncommon hobbies out there. People's idea of dumping a "ton" of money on 40k is very warped.
 
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Boycotts rarely work.
Sometimes they do. Disney's hurting right now thanks to their losses on Star Wars.

Or they end up just squatting the line entirely in 11th edition. They did it in AoS. They could do it again if sales are bad and if they’d rather just sidestep it entirely.
That does seem likely, however, walking back the nerfs on the Custodes would be easier.

Hot take: 40k fans deserve to have their hobby shat on for tolerating the BS pricing GW has engaged in over the past few years.
Past few years........they've been doing that since the 90s. Past few decades, more like it. If 40K fans can't stand up and have a spine when GW does something that stupid, how can we expect them to actually stick to their guns when GW does something like Primaris or Fem-Custodes? The answer is, we can't.

That’s something that I’ve never understood: they don’t play games, but they’re angry about them.
They're grifters. They try to mobilize online mobs to drive up clicks for their channels.

My biggest issue with Chaos is how despite them being universally insane cultists they seem to have better logistics than the Imperium itself.
That's because the Imperium's logistics are shit. Chaos doesn't have a burdensome Imperium held back by superstition and idiocy. For them, what works, works, and they can appear to attack at anytime. The political infighting among the Imperium's forces holds them back, while the open infighting among the Chaos forces keeps their skills sharp. Not to mention Chaos Daemons and Primarchs go a long way to helping coordinate things.

The thing I dislike about modern 40k the most is how they handle Chaos, they're beaten constantly in the lore but still somehow advance their goals all the time through some shadowy side objective or something, just let them have some proper wins ffs
So basically, Thrawn from the Filoniverse? Loses a thousand battles, but it's "just as planned" and his plans go forward anyways. Kind of like a bargain-bin Light Yagami written for little kids.
 
Those are really cool.

It's interesting he mentioned how 40k was initially planned as just a small add-on to warhammer fantasy. Take the fantasy models, give them scifi guns and let people play them in a scifi setting. GW wasn't even a miniature company from the start, they sold all types of games. Their miniature range was stuff like DnD figurines. Then they made fantasy and that sold so they capitalized on it. They found a niche that other games didn't cater to. And then they did the same with 40k.

Do a lot of small things inspired by more popular games until you find something that sells, then build on that and make your own thing. Seems more realistic than just trying to replace ips that has gone down in quality. Should only take 30-50 years.

I also like how he mentions they had to switch from lead based white metal to tin based pewter due to regulations and how he hates pewter because it's much harder and therefore a bitch for conversions and drilling.
There’s a lot of interesting tid bits in this series. I don’t remember which video it was but they mentioned they were told they needed to make rules for all the models they could sell so people can put them on the table. So that’s part of why they copy and paste from a lot of franchises but change things a bit. He mentioned Dr. Who and the Daleks specifically.
 
There’s a lot of interesting tid bits in this series. I don’t remember which video it was but they mentioned they were told they needed to make rules for all the models they could sell so people can put them on the table. So that’s part of why they copy and paste from a lot of franchises but change things a bit. He mentioned Dr. Who and the Daleks specifically.
It was funny when he mentioned the nightmare it was translating the rules system to other languages because the rules are literally longer in German so the layout gets screwed and the smaller print runs in various countries being far more expensive per copy made them literally loose money per sale in some places.

It's like listening to the opposite of corporate hype. Just lots of mundane business realities.
 
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40k was initially planned as just a small add-on to warhammer fantasy
One thing about these interviews - which are great - are how many of the things I kind of twigged on when I first read through the source material in like 91-3... Turns out to be correct, and this is a big one.
 
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https://twitter.com/wokehammerLs/status/1780967639604453776
Wokehammer Ls apparently confirmed the 4chan leak
God knows I want it to be true, but why should I believe this faggot?
All it takes is going on Twitter and writing "Female Custodes are no longer canon and never have been, we apologize for the confusion."
Had to give you a rainbow, no way in hell they are rolling this back when the damage is already done. Less of Amazon bucks are at stake.
Reading this post reminded me of this review I saw on Amazon.

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I'd love it if they all dropped dead, but one could say that they are already dead inside anyway.
Boycotts rarely work.

Or they end up just squatting the line entirely in 11th edition. They did it in AoS. They could do it again if sales are bad and if they’d rather just sidestep it entirely.
That would be hillarious and would be one less balancing headache.
If any of the rumors are true about Amazon, Cavill should walk. If he attaches his name to a shitty product, it's going to ruin his reputation just as much.
But if he walks he becomes the king of the chuds! Cavill is kind of fucked no matter what.
I have an idea, name the thing you hate most about current 40K lore.

I hate sapient Necrons, they ruined the unstoppable eldritch horror aspect of old school necrons who just wake up and kill shit until they're killed in kind. Now they have allegiances and can be reasoned with & negotiated with, arguably more so than the Eldar.
My ice cold take. Primaris. It's extra funny when they got cold feet and never released primaris chaos marines. That the empire can suddenly innovate kills a lot of the pseudo space barbarian and tech mysticism spirit of it all. Why not zerg rush the tau and steal thir shit then?

Also, Guilliman coming back means the empire doesn't have an excuse of behaving like retarded shamans reading runes to understand the emperor's will. I love the primarch models, but realistically they should have never come back, or at least not the loyalists.

As a more niche one. Anything related to the Alpha Legion. I swear anything related to them is the 4chan screencap about the writters of Sherlock but worse.
That’s something that I’ve never understood: they don’t play games, but they’re angry about them.
As a guy who still keeps a finger in the pulse of 40K but hasn't spent more than 200$ on store bought models (not counting second hand purchases and paint supplies) in 15 years. It's because I WANT to enjoy it but it's a constant dissapointment and I adore the setting. I also DM campaigns in the setting and have played in them, so I still participate in other parts of it.

To get my miniatute fix I focus in other games. Played some KoW today after a long time without doing it and it's still great.
the Horus Heresy is a 20+ year, endlessly prolific exercise in turning a founding myth into capeshit. Everything that they've revealed about the War in Heaven is, if anything, even worse.
I stopped reading the novels after Know No Fear (made me get a lot more respect for the ultras) but they just became too much to follow. I don't need that much detail and imagine it devolved to faggy drama to pad it out.
For that, I'd need to point to the Eldar writing by Gav Thorpe and his ilk. They're a dying race with great foresight written as throwing themselves toward Guard-level casualties and constantly losing, going against pretty much every description in Codices and the like of how they're actually supposed to operate.
The Asterians from Firefight from Mantic had the right idea and their bootleg Eldar don't fight directly but through drones. But GW has always been retarded when writting long lived races in decline. High elves died im droves yet could keep multiple theaters of war. Wood Elves at least stuck to their tree and Harlequins rarely act directly (or at least used to be the case), but the High and Eldar are always there face first.
These people who brag about owing "tons of money worth of 40K" cannot possibly be painting or playing or even enjoying the hobby.
Reminds of a retard from a 40k chat group (don't know why I stick there...) that would constantly post "look what I got". There was no way in hell he was even building stuff at any rate to cover how much shit he bought. Guy was also functionally retarded, played one game of 9th with him and I swore never again, I knew his rules better than him and I didn't play that much 9th either.
Sometimes they do. Disney's hurting right now thanks to their losses on Star Wars
Don't confuse boycott with apathy. One is fueled by anger, the other is just nothingness.
 
It's interesting he mentioned how 40k was initially planned as just a small add-on to warhammer fantasy.

On some level I wish it had remained so. I much prefer Fantasy, and the squatting of the whole setting still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ToW is alright, but no longer being one of the "big two" lines is pretty painful. Also: Femoid custodes is retarded, fuck you GW.
 
Reading this post reminded me of this review I saw on Amazon.

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I hate niggercattle like this too. They completely miss the point and hand waive it with "muh premium plastic", "just try to be less poor lel" or "they produce AAAAAA+ top premium plastic with golden inserts of course they are not affordable".
I can trace the shittening of the whole world back to these retards. The fact that I can't buy a new car unless I subscribe to some bullshit so I can access the seat heater, or fucking alarm. I don't mind paying for stuff I own, I hate being nickled and dimed like cattle.
 
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