Amazon Studios to develop series based on Fallout

[filthypenguin]

@archive regret, thanks for the explanation. I guess I should clarify: I understand why someone who's not a fan of Fallout in general wouldn't like the show for all the reasons you listed, and a lot of reasons you didn't. My problem specifically is with the people who think the show ruined Fallout in some way, specifically New Vegas and 1 & 2. The DEI vault isn't even mentioned in the show, I think it was in the first game where they establish what Shady Sands is. If there were no Amazon checklist, anything post war would still need to be diverse just to match the lore. As far as immersion breaking goes, and the capabilities of the human body, New Vegas begins with the player character being shot in the head, buried, dug up, and revived by a doctor in a shack. And the biggest issue people seem to have is with the Shady Sands nuke fucking up the time line, which is explained literally in the same scene as the misunderstanding comes from. You can't even backpedal and say the issue isn't the timeline but that it happened at all because Bethesda hates Obsidian/Interplay, because the idea to nuke Shady Sands is literally ripped from Van Buren. The entire map changes between the first two games, too. Even stuff as simple as overusing slow mo in the show is in New Vegas, it goes into slow mo every time you clear a group of enemies.

Again, if you dislike the show because of your taste in humor or DEI or whatever, that's fine, but it's not different from the games. It feels like people are getting pissed about Evil Dead 2 being too goofy to take seriously as a horror movie: that's fine, it's a goofy movie, but it's hard for me to believe you liked the first Evil Dead if that's your problem with the sequel.

 

[Potatoherder]

Again, if you dislike the show because of your taste in humor or DEI or whatever, that's fine, but it's not different from the games

It's no different than the Bethesda games. This show signals the death of the OG fallout lore. If they would have stayed on the east coast people would be way less upset. Bethesda has made it clear the only fallout forward is theirs and there is no hope for a continuation of the original games.

 

[Something Awful]

I chuckled at the brain-on-a-roomba slowly attacking that guy with a syringe. Not a great show otherwise, though.

 

[filthypenguin]

It's no different than the Bethesda games. This show signals the death of the OG fallout lore. If they would have stayed on the east coast people would be way less upset. Bethesda has made it clear the only fallout forward is theirs and there is no hope for a continuation of the original games.

What OG Fallout lore died? To reiterate for the 5th time, DEI vault is OG lore, bombing Shady Sands happens after NV in the show and was the planned plot of Interplay's 3 before Bethesda aquired it, NV has people surviving being shot in the head, and the show never confirms that Vault-tec drops the bombs, just that they want to. House doesn't suggest any vaults, and doesn't act inconsistently from NV.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

The Act Ma'am liked the show
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It's amazing this nigger has absolutely 0 opinions of his own or identity. He just jumps from bandwagon to bandwagon regurgitating the prevalent zeitgeist and pretends like it's his own opinion.

Remember how he jumped on making fun of people for complaining Starfield was "woke" and acted like such a thing doesn't exist but then a year later he was suddenly attacking Sweet Baby Inc. and acting like fighting it was the good fight all along?

Total normie death.

There's no lore inconsistency unless you're a complete fucking retard.

Lol. Lmao even.

 

[filthypenguin]

Lol. Lmao even.

Where is it, then?

 

[h3catoncheries]

I found your previous posts "thunk provoking", but this one really stinks of Reddit tier dialectical sleigh of hand tricks.
Is this a troll? Cause if it is God damn yous boutta finna make me bite.

Spoiler: Chomp

I understand why someone who's not a fan of Fallout in general wouldn't like the show for all the reasons you listed, and a lot of reasons you didn't. My problem specifically is with the people who think the show ruined Fallout in some way, specifically New Vegas and 1 & 2.

So you are a fan of how the original WestBoS has been erased and is now ToddBoS? Didn't you like the original one? Oh it's like Idubbz: it has evolved and grown.
You love how Vaults 31/32/33 popped right there in plain sight unnoticed by the Master and the Enclave? And Vault 4 right next to Shady Sands, just below a perfectly maintained medical research facility?
Miracle, age-defining, paradigm shifting tech that has always been available to the baddies that some nobody scientist can just take right there, right now?
Miracle cure-all pop-and-Wolverine-ghoul sold by some bum? So whacky! A classic!
Oji-San Sinclair, very famously the CEO(?) of BigMT part of the shadowy council that wants to destroy the World because muh "Great Game of Capitalism" side by side with "Robert" and Repconn lmao. And no Poseidon huh. Oh yeah if you don't love this you I see how you aren't a fan of the originals.

The DEI vault isn't even mentioned in the show, I think it was in the first game where they establish what Shady Sands is. If there were no Amazon checklist, anything post war would still need to be diverse just to match the lore.

Problem with DEI is not "Coloreds, women and sexual minorities exist in show, therefore woke", no reasonable person believes that, if this is not immediately apparent to you, and why actual wokeness is bad, and how its cancer has clearly infected the show then there is no convincing you of anything.
Still, I want to make it clear that this show is utter garbage independent of both woke shit and strictly lore-related reasons.

And the biggest issue people seem to have is with the Shady Sands nuke fucking up the time line, which is explained literally in the same scene as the misunderstanding comes from. You can't even backpedal and say the issue isn't the timeline but that it happened at all because Bethesda hates Obsidian/Interplay, because the idea to nuke Shady Sands is literally ripped from Van Buren. The entire map changes between the first two games, too.

Suuuuuuure, they respect it so much! You see? Todd and Emil didn't contradict it (which unironically would have been better because at least it could be coped away as not canon), they loved it so much they obliterated it the second the screen goes black after NV end credits.
Proof? I need proof! Correlation. Does. Not. Equal. Causation! Source? Do you have a video of Todd straight up shooting himself in the head? No? DEBOONKED.
You can't be mad about that? See? The map situation has evolved/there is slight difformities due to technical scaling reasons!
Also an apocryphal sequel that the very same Devs had the opportunity to implement but didn't dabbled with the idea in a (if I remember correctly) completely different context!

Even stuff as simple as overusing slow mo in the show is in New Vegas, it goes into slow mo every time you clear a group of enemies.

Haha, see? Dahmer sleept in a bed just like Jewsh! You love Dear Feeder don't you? See Dahmer respects Jewsh so much! So you must now respect Dahmer.
Also, who had a deal breaker problem with this specifically?

Sorry for the sperging

Again: the show is woke, the show does spit on the original setting, there are strong indications Todd and Emil are spiteful little worms.
And yet, the show proudly stands as completely unwatchable slop for reasons beyond the above: acting, plot (especially, see my previous post for a sample), characterization, production (this last one varying).

Edit: put the last paragraph outside spoiler tag

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Where is it, then?

Well, off the top of my head. The "Fall of Shady Sands" makes no sense because that's when the NCR was fighting the first battle of Hoover Dam. Now why would the NCR be fighting a generally unpopular war in a far away land if their capitol was "falling"? Not to mention several references are made to Shady Sands and the senate in the game and nobody made any reference that they had gone anywhere.
Second, just off the top of my head, Vault-Tec did not start the war. Nobody knows who started the war because it doesn't matter who started it.

 

[filthypenguin]

evolved and grown.

In the same thread that people are bitching about Bethesda not wanting to progress the plot further than immediate post-war.

You love how Vaults 31/32/33 popped right there in plain sight unnoticed by the Master and the Enclave? And Vault 4 right next to Shady Sands, just below a perfectly maintained medical research facility?

"There are any number of reasons that the Master might not have any record of a Vault right under their noses, since there is no guarantee that the Master has access to an actual and complete listing of every Vault, the Master's "help" isn't always the most competent, and some Vaults may take more rigorous steps than others to protect themselves from the outside world." - Fallout 1 programmer

Miracle, age-defining, paradigm shifting tech that has always been available to the baddies that some nobody scientist can just take right there, right now?

It hadn't been. The technology was never finished, it got bought and shelved before it was finished. The scientist found it and worked on it in secret.

Miracle cure-all pop-and-Wolverine-ghoul sold by some bum? So whacky! A classic!

I'll give you that one, it's from 4. I don't think a single whacky joke ruins OG fallout though.

Oji-San Sinclair, very famously the CEO(?) of BigMT part of the shadowy council that wants to destroy the World because muh "Great Game of Capitalism" side by side with "Robert" and Repconn lmao.

We know BigMT got most of their money from Sinclair, who's to say he didn't buy them out?
The "Great Game of Capitalism" is a joke about how they're literally the communists. I don't see the problem with House and Repconn, he would have just acquired it.

dabbled with the idea in a (if I remember correctly) completely different context

The context was a mad scientist from the Enclave wiping out the successful settlement because they were filthy surface people after he found old Enclave technology. The show made the mad scientist into a separate character and changed the bomber to a Vault-tec guy, but the reasoning and timing is the same.

Also, who had a deal breaker problem with this specifically

I don't know if it was deal breaker problem, but people in this thread.

Again: the show is woke, the show does spit on the original setting, there are strong indications Todd and Emil are spiteful little worms.

I stand by that only bits that are more woke than the games is that there are two black women in relatively high positions at Vault-Tec that turn out to be evil, and there's a non-binary female coward in the BoS. The setting/lore is unchanged otherwise, unless you count adding lore, which is how sequels work.

And yet, the show proudly stands as completely unwatchable slop for reasons beyond the above

Fair enough. Do you think it's better or worse than Marvel movies?

Sorry for the sperging

I thought we all came to this site to sperg. I love sperging.

The "Fall of Shady Sands" makes no sense because that's when the NCR was fighting the first battle of Hoover Dam. Now why would the NCR be fighting a generally unpopular war in a far away land if their capitol was "falling"? Not to mention several references are made to Shady Sands and the senate in the game and nobody made any reference that they had gone anywhere.

"Fall of Shady Sands" doesn't mean that it was abandoned, because there are still people there when it's nuked. Since they chose that year specifically, I presume that the Hoover Dam battle contributed: They had to move a lot of men to Hoover Dam to secure it. The original plan for Van Buren was to move the capitol to the Hoover Dam, and the sign in the show refers to Shady Sands as the "first" capitol of the NCR, implying that there's a new capitol elsewhere (probably the Hoover Dam).

Second, just off the top of my head, Vault-Tec did not start the war. Nobody knows who started the war because it doesn't matter who started it.

The show doesn't say they started the war, it says they wanted to. Clearly they didn't, or the people in the meeting where they discussed it would have known when the bombs were going to drop. There are at least three people in the meeting that were caught off guard.

 

[Montalbane]

To

Well, off the top of my head. The "Fall of Shady Sands" makes no sense because that's when the NCR was fighting the first battle of Hoover Dam. Now why would the NCR be fighting a generally unpopular war in a far away land if their capitol was "falling"? Not to mention several references are made to Shady Sands and the senate in the game and nobody made any reference that they had gone anywhere.
Second, just off the top of my head, Vault-Tec did not start the war. Nobody knows who started the war because it doesn't matter who started it

Todd Howard started it because he realize he could sell more Skyrim during the apocalypse.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

X's The Shield,

I cannot understand why this show was so popular. Michael Chiklis is completely miscast in everything. His only believable role might - might - be fat, comedy relief, side character.

 

[NPZCC]

His only believable role might - might - be fat, comedy relief, side character

 

[Forgotten Beast]

I guess the thing we haters are missing is that this show is so faithful to its source that the plot needs an extensive day-one patch and some heavy modding from the community and it just works™.
Well played, Todd.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[mindlessobserver]

Well, off the top of my head. The "Fall of Shady Sands" makes no sense because that's when the NCR was fighting the first battle of Hoover Dam. Now why would the NCR be fighting a generally unpopular war in a far away land if their capitol was "falling"? Not to mention several references are made to Shady Sands and the senate in the game and nobody made any reference that they had gone anywhere.
Second, just off the top of my head, Vault-Tec did not start the war. Nobody knows who started the war because it doesn't matter who started it.

There is also the issue that the NCR was more then just one settlement. By the time this show is supposed to have been set up the NCR was assumed to extend all the way to what was Seattle along the West Coast, unified by the Caravan Families. The entire reason the NCR was fighting for control of New Vegas was because their population was taxing existing infrastructure and the promise of gaining control of the Hoover Dams electrical production was too huge a reward not to risk a costly war far from their base of power.

Nuking Shady Sands wouldn't bring down the NCR anymore then a solitary nuke on Washington DC would bring down the USA. FFS, the NCR had access to pre-war tech by the point. They had an air force.

 

[TheHarbinger]

There is also the issue that the NCR was more then just one settlement.

This is a Bethesda issue with all of Fallout. No one has rebuilt civilization or infrastructure for two centuries. No one has running water or toilets. No waste disposal. No farms. They haven't cleaned up the cities. In fact no one has stepped into Los Angeles in two-hundred straight years and yet the light bulbs all magically still work and were not destroyed by the bombs. The Brotherhood of Steel have flying blimps, fusion cores, and power armor......but no toilets or running water or sanitation. People are covered in dirt and would have dust pneumonia or silicosis but no one has breathing issues whatsoever.

Nuclear bombs incinerate steel and concrete buildings but leave enough light bulbs to illuminate the entire city should someone turn the power on. The retards who made the Last of Us show on HBO had the same lack of understanding of how things work. Where cars that had been abandoned for decades would start right up and the fuel hadn't expired or separated either. It's like the magical thinking of children where the food in the grocery store must originate in the back rooms because they are not familiar with fishing or farming.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Nuclear bombs incinerate steel and concrete buildings but leave enough light bulbs to illuminate the entire city should someone turn the power on. The retards who made the Last of Us show on HBO had the same lack of understanding of how things work. Where cars that had been abandoned for decades would start right up and the fuel hadn't expired or separated either. It's like the magical thinking of children where the food in the grocery store must originate in the back rooms because they are not familiar with fishing or farming.

Oh boy. You've given me an excuse to show off my favorite thought experiment again. The Light Switch thought experiment.

Flip the light switch in your room. Did the light turn on? Now think. Think realllllly hard about how many things needed to go right for that to happen. Think about how many people were involved in making that happen. Think about the dude who put that switch in your wall. Who went to a store that sold him that switch. Who bought that switch from a supplier who shipped the switch. Who picked it up from a warehouse full of switches. Which were sent from a factory that made switches. And on and on and on. And that does not even begin to consider the electricity flowing through the switch. Which flows through your house that another dude put in. With wires made....and were shipped....and then flows from the transformer unit....that was shipped.....and the power plant.....etc.

The fact that the lights turn on when you flip a switch is a fucking miracle. When you think about it.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

As far as immersion breaking goes, and the capabilities of the human body, New Vegas begins with the player character being shot in the head, buried, dug up, and revived by a doctor in a shack.

Do you really have to be explained to what a "premise" is and how it works?

 

[filthypenguin]

Do you really have to be explained to what a "premise" is and how it works?

Maybe, because I don't know what you're getting at.

I can't wrap my head around the idea that you guys are saying the NCR can't have been destroyed by taking out Shady Sands because the NCR was too big (nevermind that the show never even claims that the NCR is destroyed, and in fact states that the capitol had been moved elsewhere prior to being bombed) and civilization should be rebuilt already by the time the show takes place but also the NCR couldn't have possibly begun rebuilding civilization over the course of two hundred years by setting up a power grid that operates on fusion power that they know is available and installing lightbulbs.

Somehow Bethesda fucked up Fallout by simultaniously making civilization not advanced enough and also too advanced?

And again, nuking Shady Sands is a pre-Bethesda plot idea, and the NCR struggling to hold their territory is a major plot point of New Vegas. All these problems you all are finding with the show are either problems with Fallout in general, not specifically Bethesda, or are caused by infering things you don't like are happening that aren't even in the show.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Maybe, because I don't know what you're getting at.

I can't wrap my head around the idea that you guys are saying the NCR can't have been destroyed by taking out Shady Sands because the NCR was too big (nevermind that the show never even claims that the NCR is destroyed, and in fact states that the capitol had been moved elsewhere prior to being bombed) and civilization should be rebuilt already by the time the show takes place but also the NCR couldn't have possibly begun rebuilding civilization over the course of two hundred years by setting up a power grid that operates on fusion power that they know is available and installing lightbulbs.

Somehow Bethesda fucked up Fallout by simultaniously making civilization not advanced enough and also too advanced?

And again, nuking Shady Sands is a pre-Bethesda plot idea, and the NCR struggling to hold their territory is a major plot point of New Vegas. All these problems you all are finding with the show are either problems with Fallout in general, not specifically Bethesda, or are caused by infering things you don't like are happening that aren't even in the show.

Fuck off back to Reddit, faggot.