The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Yet they never debate not sucking baby dicks. Your whole religion and culture is based on geriatric old men cutting up and sucking on infant penis. You support this whole heartedly. Never forget that.
I'm British. Worryingly, that's mostly true of Brits but I'm not posh.
So tell me why poison gas and the disposal of remains is both cheaper and easier than something that doesn't require concerted disposal and protection from?
HCN is only a problem if you're in an enclosed space. It's slightly lighter than air. Bullets are heavier, carry more risk of damage to the user and the soldiers often can't cope with the level of stress.
No one considers it cremation because it's not, it's a chemical disposal of remains thats been used for millenia. I thought you were an expert? I guess you don't know they use lime for disease control of which jews died of. Oh man look at that they were controlling for Typhus. Those evil genocidal Germans, always trying to cure and protect against disease. I guess if you are a parasite and disease it all looks the same to you.
I know what it's for. You googled it because I brought it up to you - and yes, this is an indicator of genocide. It shows an explicit intent to kill only those who meet certain criteria - typhus cannot be controlled.

Also no one cares about your endless Arab sperging since your own golem will kill you.
Nah, I know full-well where the Holocaust denial bullshit comes from. It was revealed after the Christchurch shooting - sperging Muslims freaking out that a white guy went after them. For the first time, they knew actual fear - and started to panic, saying that Tarrant was a Jew because he was killing Muslims.

It's why edgy Holocaust denial fell out of fashion - too many Muslims revealed themselves with that, and the Taqiyya stopped working. It's why you get so much resistance in this thread.

This alone justifies the question. If it's so true, why do I need to be forced to believe it?
Each country has its own unique circumstances which relate to the Holocaust. Those with laws, unanimously, don't have anything invested in a particular narrative - they're concerned about a real, legitimate threat. Holocaust denial can look like "Well, maybe it wasn't exactly pure Hydrogen Cyanide, maybe it had some inerts mixed in..." or, it can look like "Germany didn't do that, it was actually Poland. So, we should cut off relations with Poland and take parts of their territory" - nationalism in Europe is a big issue, and there are still unresolved border disputes.

It's illegal in those countries for different reasons. In Germany and Austria, it's there to "make sure" they don't remilitarise. In the former USSR and "unenforced" by Ukraine, it's there to prevent people like Zelensky from taking power. It didn't work. Zelensky's ideology is that Russia, not Germany, was responsible for WWII - and that Russians should be removed from Europe, and Ukraine (who are, despite any logic, apparently Aryan Germans who were forced to speak Russian by the Tsar) should be the border of Europe.

In the case of Russia, Ukraine was specifically why they had the law in place. Ukraine is also the reason Poland had the law in place. And likely some other neighbours, too. Ukraine has an official state policy of extreme Holocaust denial - Ukrainian nationalism is based entirely off of Holocaust denial, since it blames Russia for most of the Second World War and sees Hitler as a liberator who wanted to kill Russians.

And Poles, too, because Galicia is German (and therefor part of Ukraine, for some fucking reason) and Poles are Germans/Ukrainians who betrayed Ukraine in favour of Russia (despite Russia invading Poland in WWII) to carve up Ukraine. By which I mean Galicia. Which is in Poland. Ukrainians are fucking crazy.

In France, it's there to make sure the Vichy's stay out of power. Poland saw it as overtly subversive for anyone to deny the Holocaust, since in so doing it would be a direct challenge to the Polish nation, the events of the war, and their right to exist.

Israel, fucking obviously, says the same.

Czechia and Slovakia probably see it the same way as denying other Nazi atrocities - a challenge to their sovereignty, since in both cases they weren't "innocent" before the war (Sudetenland was not represented in the Czechoslovak government despite making up a third of the economy and population, it was essentially just a very pleasant occupation of Germany by Czechia, which was bigger than Slovakia)

In short, most of them are just national pride/political reasons, France is still afraid of the ghost of Petain, Ukraine is living proof of why Russia has Holocaust Denial as a crime. It isn't a matter of questioning it - as you can see in this thread, obnoxious and aggressive campaigning works against the weak. The fag hasn't even relented - he started trying to adjust his absurd claims to fit a new narrative. There's no debating - it's entirely venomous hatred from a man with an IQ of 80.

The UK, which should now be highlighted (Hate speech laws) notably did not make it illegal until 2017. While America has free speech, Britain doesn't - this is because so many British men had fought in the war, it was seen as a taboo to make it illegal. It made it seem like Britain had something to be ashamed of, when Britain was proud of liberating the camps.

Not highlighted are the Balkans. Bosnia, specifically, was directly involved in the Holocaust. Europe's little Muslim country killed not only Jews, but Serbs. Thanks to Clinton, Holocaust denial is essentially government policy for the USA, so long as the location is between Greece and Austria - because when the Bosnians started getting uppity, again, the Serbs beat them down. It would be impossible for the USA to justify its aggression in Yugoslavia, if they told the truth about the Holocaust.

So yes, Holocaust Denial is not only extremely risky, but official policy of the last three Democrat presidents of the United States of America. You have a lot invested in it, and your government refuses to actually publish any details on it because it directly contradicts American policy in Europe.
 
Thanks to Clinton, Holocaust denial is essentially government policy for the USA
So yes, Holocaust Denial is not only extremely risky, but official policy of the last three Democrat presidents of the United States of America. You have a lot invested in it, and your government refuses to actually publish any details on it because it directly contradicts American policy in Europe.
British people have zero understanding of how America works.

AIPAC bribes every single congressman and president. Republican and Democrat. They openly admit this. However, since they're funded mostly by the US aid to Israel, they don't have to register as foreign agents. Much of Biden's cabinet is Jewish, some of whom are descended from "survivors" (see Anthony Blinken). Jewish victimhood is practically our religion.

If you're referring to Ukraine as "American policy in Europe" I'll remind you that Ukraine is run by a zionist Jew. A little pandering to a "neo nazi" organization here and there and they have an army of white niggers to die for Israel by proxy.
 
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HCN is only a problem if you're in an enclosed space. It's slightly lighter than air. Bullets are heavier, carry more risk of damage to the user and the soldiers often can't cope with the level of stress.
Yeah having to move tons of human remains day in and out is much easier than shooting them and dumping them in a ditch. I thought you knew about not being a soft little baby? Tell us all about how you know how to move tons of soft sloppy dead weight. You literally have an inhuman mind.
know what it's for. You googled it because I brought it up to you - and yes, this is an indicator of genocide. It shows an explicit intent to kill only those who meet certain criteria - typhus cannot be controlled.
Saving people is an indication of genocide! Hospitals are proof of murder! Damn you must be a Chat bot test because you make no actual human sense nor can you hold a rational conversation.
Blah blah blah schizo ramblings blah blah blah
You are a literal joke who can't even hold a conversation.
 
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If you're referring to Ukraine as "American policy in Europe" I'll remind you that Ukraine is run by a zionist Jew. A little pandering to a "neo nazi" organization here and there and they have an army of white niggers to die for Israel by proxy.
How can he be a Zionist Jew? He lives in Ukraine. Wouldn't he just be a Jew, at that point?

AIPAC bribes every single congressman and president. Republican and Democrat. They openly admit this. However, since they're funded mostly by the US aid to Israel, they don't have to register as foreign agents. Much of Biden's cabinet is Jewish, some of whom are descendend from "survivors" (see Anthony Blinken). Jewish victimhood is practically our religion.
The problem is that you have a huge Jewish population with a lot of money. It'd be sympathetic if it was even close to the worst of the USA. I know how America works - AIPAC hasn't had much of an impact outside of US-Israeli relations, because they are focused on that single issue.

Israel is usually against American policies in Europe. They were one of the few countries which didn't jump on Serbia in the 90s, for the same reason. They also didn't jump on South Africa - so when you're talking about the negatives, you skip over a huge chunk of them and fixate on a Jew to extend the AIPAC "problem" to whatever it is that you're criticising.

But obviously, since you have the second largest Jewish population on the planet and they are richer than some entire countries, you will find them bribing politicians. They bribe all politicians and bicker amongst eachother, except for one policy. They all support Israel. Because Israel is their nation.

The point is - I have no idea what exactly you think a Jew actually is, but it's a nation comprised of a series of smaller tribes which form along a religious framework. They're fine, when they're in their country.

Either you're a nation, or you're not. Everything America says, and does, in the world says that it isn't a nation. It's a multicultural serfdom. The fact is that if you live in an actual nation, you aren't ruled over by anyone. Your nation is a collaborative, single organism in the same way that an ant colony is a single organism. America, meanwhile, is held together by paperwork and credit cards.

The fact that you seem to see this as absurd shows me how fucking alien America actually is from the rest of the world. It would explain why you seem so confused by blacks - ironically, there is a nation in America and it's the black one.

Saving people is an indication of suicide! Hospitals are proof of murder! Damn you must be a Chat bot test because you make no actual human sense nor can you hold a rational conversation.
See what I mean with "Easy to exploit" - people like this don't think. They don't argue or persuade - they are relentless and animalistic. They will deny, deny, deny until you give up and then they say "It was that easy"

There isn't some controversy about it. You just deny whatever you see - I showed you evidence, you moved the goalposts. I'm not arguing with you, I'm using you as a soapbox to explain why Holocaust denial is illegal.
 
There isn't some controversy about it. You just deny whatever you see - I showed you evidence, you moved the goalposts. I'm not arguing with you, I'm using you as a soapbox to explain why Holocaust denial is ilillegal.
No you came in, got proven wrong instantly, then pivoted to political sperging. Now you try to act like you won anything when you didn't even reach the first step.

All you have to do is prove 1 single jew out of 6 million was provenly gassed to death. Its simple, its the most researched event in all of human history. So do it.
 
How can he be a Zionist Jew? He lives in Ukraine. Wouldn't he just be a Jew, at that point?
A zionist is a supporter of Israel. He supports Israel. Zionists exist everywhere, retard. You can also be a Jew against Israel.
You, being a libshit, don't realize that everyone is different.

The problem is that you have a huge Jewish population with a lot of money. It'd be sympathetic if it was even close to the worst of the USA. I know how America works - AIPAC hasn't had much of an impact outside of US-Israeli relations, because they are focused on that single issue.
Except they have, because we haven't been out of the middle east since before 9/11. Protecting Israel has justified war after war, even after Israel commits war crimes against us.

Israel is usually against American policies in Europe. They were one of the few countries which didn't jump on Serbia in the 90s, for the same reason. They also didn't jump on South Africa - so when you're talking about the negatives, you skip over a huge chunk of them and fixate on a Jew to extend the AIPAC "problem" to whatever it is that you're criticising.
JFC I'm starting to think you're a Serb.

But obviously, since you have the second largest Jewish population on the planet and they are richer than some entire countries, you will find them bribing politicians. They bribe all politicians and bicker amongst eachother, except for one policy. They all support Israel. Because Israel is their nation.
Awfully antisemitic of you to say that.

The point is - I have no idea what exactly you think a Jew actually is, but it's a nation comprised of a series of smaller tribes which form along a religious framework. They're fine, when they're in their country.
Ethnoreligious group. The Jewish diaspora is a diaspora because Jews are a race too, otherwise it'd be a religious movement. Nobody ever says they're half Christian or half Buddhist.

Either you're a nation, or you're not. Everything America says, and does, in the world says that it isn't a nation. It's a multicultural serfdom. The fact is that if you live in an actual nation, you aren't ruled over by anyone. Your nation is a collaborative, single organism in the same way that an ant colony is a single organism. America, meanwhile, is held together by paperwork and credit cards.
I'm a corporatist. Tell me something I don't know.
Also, you're one to talk considering the UK doesn't believe in that either.

The fact that you seem to see this as absurd shows me how fucking alien America actually is from the rest of the world. It would explain why you seem so confused by blacks - ironically, there is a nation in America and it's the black one.
First, who asked. Second, London is majority black, so are Berlin and Paris. Kick niggers out of your shithole before making fun of mine.

Finally, nigga, may I introduce you to the black continent known as Africa.

In conclusion, enjoy prison, stalker.
 
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If any of the statements made in this thread against the Holocaust were made in public in the nations highlighted in red, the speaker would be arrested and imprisoned for varying sentences.
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This alone justifies the question. If it's so true, why do I need to be forced to believe it?

I know the holocaust didn't happen, because locking 100 or so people in a room at a time and throwing gas in it is infinitely more expensive than starvation. The ovens also don't make sense, as per the modern industrial oven argument.

It is infinitely cheaper to starve a population to death than to:
  1. Arrest them
  2. Put them on trains to a giant prison
  3. Lock them in a giant prison
  4. Tattoo them alphanumerically and issue autistically categorized garments
  5. Let them breed while awaiting execution
  6. Feed them
  7. Gas them
Some other uncomfortable facts:
  • Children were born at Auschwitz
  • Auschwitz had a swim team for inmates
  • Auschwitz had a currency for inmates
  • Auschwitz had a medical facility for inmates
  • Auschwitz had a brothel for inmates
Considering Auschwitz is regarded as one of the worst camps, it surprises me that I could get a job, hookers, dental implants and a regular swim in while raising a family, all while waiting for the supposed mass-execution.

No prison in America would give you such luxuries while on death row.

Finally, the hyperventilation over it has never ended. Face it, Jews run everything, so they cry genocide every time someone touches them.
Holocaust is now the response to any criticism of Israel or Jews generally, both from Jews and every allied government.

Stalin killed tens of millions of Russians, where are the Russian expats who never stop talking about the Holodomor?
Where is the Spielberg film with sad violin music?
Come on, it even has a similar name, and they happened at the same time.

This, boys and girls, is an intelligent person who should be learned from.
 
Why do you write your questions with the punctuation like that? Are you French?

No, the highest estimate is 5,800,000 - based off of the number who disappeared. This includes those who died in combat, and is not limited to those who died during the Endlösung der Judenfrage.

Is this going to be some battle with someone who barely understands English, basic maths, basic mechanics and chemistry, about events which he really isn't interested in and is only looking to justify his own retardation?



There were ~400,000 prisoners who went through the different subcamps as POWs or as civilian slave labour.
And not a single one of them ever had a higher number. Ain't that something. Logically, since there were millions the lower numbers would be more rare. Considering they were exterminating them.

Right?

Also, can someone tell me where this delusion comes from that US and UK armies liberated the camps, that were all in fucking Poland. Ya know, on the Eastern Front with the Red Army.
 
And not a single one of them ever had a higher number. Ain't that something. Logically, since there were millions the lower numbers would be more rare. Considering they were exterminating them.

Right?

Also, can someone tell me where this delusion comes from that US and UK armies liberated the camps, that were all in fucking Poland. Ya know, on the Eastern Front with the Red Army.
There were thousands of labor camps big and small all over Europe. Depending on which side of the allies discovered them you get different results. Somehow all the death camps just happened to be in Soviet controlled territory, imagine that! Also never mind that post war 2 million Germans were starved to death.
 
Also, can someone tell me where this delusion comes from that US and UK armies liberated the camps, that were all in fucking Poland. Ya know, on the Eastern Front with the Red Army.
The death-camp differentiation is only a difference of scale and explicit purpose. They weren't the only ones, and some of the more brutal "normal camps" were in Austria, and notoriously, the worst and most brutal camps were in Serbia.

The photo I showed you earlier was taken by British and American soldiers in Germany and Austria, so absolutely guaranteed to be Jews, and not the result of any disease outbreaks.

They used the same methods, with dedicated machinery, in Auschwitz - the issue is that, although we found that in the West, the USSR was not entirely trustworthy about it. They changed their story, multiple times and "rebuilt" a lot of the camps they liberated, having salvaged them for parts and failed to conduct any investigation when they first arrived there.

The Allied nation which has the most information on it is Poland, which had some solid intelligence on it in 1940 and had spies inside it.

This is because the USSR actually knew about Auschwitz for a long time, and despite it having so many Russians in it, refused to liberate it.

That said, the entire denial method is that what the UK and USA witnessed didn't happen in the USSR - because the USSR failed to provide evidence. This is in spite of the matching testimonies from about eight different countries.

Out of curiosity, have any of you ever actually been to Europe? There's still artifacts from the Holocaust in a lot of the continent.
 
Yeah having to move tons of human remains day in and out is much easier than shooting them and dumping them in a ditch. I thought you knew about not being a soft little baby? Tell us all about how you know how to move tons of soft sloppy dead weight. You literally have an inhuman mind.

Saving people is an indication of genocide! Hospitals are proof of murder! Damn you must be a Chat bot test because you make no actual human sense nor can you hold a rational conversation.

First, who asked. Second, London is majority black, so are Berlin and Paris. Kick niggers out of your shithole before making fun of mine.

Finally, nigga, may I introduce you to the black continent known as Africa.

In conclusion, you are a nigger. Enjoy prison, stalker.

Leo Frank over here keeps talking about jealous and crazed Arabs charging Stern Gang Uzi fire and I’m thinking, what exactly does this have to do with a debate on the Holocaust.

Practically every other massacre in modern history is some form of “have the condemned dig their own graves, followed by a bullet to the back of the head and the body falling into said grave”.

Now I’m hearing stories about literal liquidation of the corpses, which is on some soap and lampshades level shit.

The entire world knew that the kikes in Germany had been rounded up and sent to these camps. The Reich was fighting multiple battles on multiple fronts, and you’re telling me that they had the time and wherewithal to carry out this scheme to not only kill the workers of the work camps, but to elaborately “destroy the evidence” ?

If the merits of the arguments in favor of the Holocaust are so sound, then that truth can stand on its own and pulverize any arguments to the contrary…but that’s not reality now is it ?

To keep this fabrication alive, they have to indoctrinate children from a young age by hammering it into their heads over and over about the “evil Nazis” and the “poor Jewish victims !”

They then need to make laws against questioning any aspect of the event and companies run by either kikes or their fully indoctrinated goy slaves and golems are all too happy to make it a fireable offense to be a “Holocaust denier”.

Vaush can lobby for bestiality porn and make claims that the possession of pedo shit should not be illegal…Destiny can make similar arguments and also argue in favor of incest, but these disgusting louts are allowed to remain on major platforms and rake in millions.

If you try and sit down and debate the scale and exact events without any calls to violence, you’ll be nuked off of any major platform (and even the internet), no payment processors will work with you and trannies will be paid great money to keep illegally fucking with your site. Wait…now where have I heard about that before ? Seems to ring a bell…

It’s the only historical event that you cannot in any way, shape or form debate about. Everything else is fair game except for this one event.

So the conclusion that I’ve reached is that the Holocaust is a fucking meme. Kikes had their assets taken and were enslaved in these camps to work for a living. It sure as hell wasn’t a country club but they had amenities and all of this gas chamber and liquidation shit is another meme.

A few hundred thousand kikes may have died, almost entirely from typhoid and some pockets of starvation when supply lines were destroyed by Allied bombing. Photos of these camps were heavily doctored (aside from the few hundred thousand corpses) and there were even children rescued from this shit.

But it’s ok Leo, I’m sure like Elie Wiesel and all of those other lying grifters (can’t forget that one bitch claiming that she kept swallowing, shitting out and swallowing her mom’s diamond ring), that it was “real in your mind”.
 
They also love to play Motte and Bailey arguments and other sleight of hand linguistic tricks to make cherry picked pieces of evidence point to "proof" of the Holocaust instead of the other 200 more likely alternative explanations. All you have to do is make them back their assertions with primary direct evidence, they can never provide it because it doesn't exist. So, they use giant circular arguments to push you off track. So again, until they can prove that one single jew out of the 6 million they claim was actually gassed to death, everything is irrelevant. They have no argument.
 
That said, the entire denial method is that what the UK and USA witnessed didn't happen in the USSR - because the USSR failed to provide evidence. This is in spite of the matching testimonies from about eight different countries.

Out of curiosity, have any of you ever actually been to Europe? There's still artifacts from the Holocaust in a lot of the continent.
Yeah, I've been to gay ass Auschwitz.

Place is nothing compared to the killing fields in Cambodia that was way smaller in scale than how supposedly big the lolcaust was. Yet, in Cambodia it would take Herculean effort to hide the mountains of bodies they had there. So they don't. It's just a somber reminder of something that actually happened and there are no exaggerations or delusions about it required. No convenient explanations about every single discrepancy or detail that makes no sense.

It's enough to make a man raise an eyebrow and start questioning it if you've been to both sites.

As for the Soviets, why on earth would they waste time investigating "some other massacre" when they had outright millions of citizens and soldiers die during the war? Over a million Red Army soldiers died at Stalingrad alone. Hundreds of thousands of actual soldiers thrown into mass graves. But yes the jews were somehow more important and worth looking into. Give me a break.
 
lmao what a circlejerk. It's impossible to argue this issue online because it's entirely an ideological matter by this point, you can't expect anyone to argue in good faith because it devolves into the same subjective and circular arguments, in reality no one gives a shit about the truth as much as proving they are right so they can push their agendas, revisionists/deniers want to prove their regime dindu nuffin and affirmers want to uphold the mainstream narrative because muh human rights and because they must protect le poor jewerinos. I wish there was any interest of arguing this topic academically, then again it's not a convenient talking point for anglozionist imperialism.
 
Place is nothing compared to the killing fields in Cambodia that was way smaller in scale than how supposedly big the lolcaust was. Yet, in Cambodia it would take Herculean effort to hide the mountains of bodies they had there. So they don't. It's just a somber reminder of something that actually happened and there are no exaggerations or delusions about it required. No convenient explanations about every single discrepancy or detail that makes no sense.
Every Cambodian I've met who survived it, which is exactly one, says that the death count is an understatement.

Apparently there were a lot more Vietnamese in Cambodia, who were not counted, of whom officially none, survived.

Also, no shit, it's not a comparison - the Holocaust was spread across a continent. Not one small country. If the Holocaust was on the scale of Pol Pot, you'd see around 300,000,000 deaths.

As for the Soviets, why on earth would they waste time investigating "some other massacre" when they had outright millions of citizens and soldiers die during the war? Over a million Red Army soldiers died at Stalingrad alone. Hundreds of thousands of actual soldiers thrown into mass graves. But yes the jews were somehow more important and worth looking into. Give me a break.
There were over a hundred thousand Soviet soldiers who were in Auschwitz, heard the Soviets were coming, rioted (assuming the USSR would liberate) and died.

Yes, it was an entirely reasonable expectation.

I wish there was any interest of arguing this topic academically, then again it's not a convenient talking point for anglozionist imperialism.
>Anglo

Which countries specifically are more intelligent or innovative than the Brits?
 
Also, no shit, it's not a comparison - the Holocaust was spread across a continent. Not one small country. If the Holocaust was on the scale of Pol Pot, you'd see around 300,000,000 deaths.
So the holocaust wasn't the industrial murder of jews at death camps by gassing and cremation but something else now? How Holocaust denier of you.
 
Now I’m hearing stories about literal liquidation of the corpses, which is on some soap and lampshades level shit.
Al Capone did it too, and it's what cartels do. It's called "aquamation" and it's how you're going to get buried - to save the environment.

This is where your cuckery shines through your fake scepticism. Everything I've said is objectively more fucking horrifying than anything else.

First - the actual quality of goods and services, particularly manufacturing in the West has declined significantly since the 1900s. A small unit of Germans would have ready access to industrial equipment, at any point - and most of the rebels did, too. This isn't a "last 10 years" - people are genuinely dumber, weaker and more contentious than they were over a century ago.

Secondly, education has gone down so much, too - at the time, understood that lime gets really hot when it contacts water. Now, this knowledge is restricted to people who work with cement. It wasn't noted because most knew exactly how the Germans could have disposed of those bodies. Every story shows that, apparently, basic physics and chemistry were so well-known that the average Polish private could recognise exactly what was going on. The Romans also used it in naval battles. "Greek Fire" contains quicklime as a propulsion.

Thirdly, you think that the above two are a victory.

So the holocaust wasn't the industrial murder of jews at death camps by gassing and cremation but something else now? How Holocaust denier of you.
See - when you actually meet someone who understands what he is talking about, you recoil in horror. I agree, the Holocaust laws are fucking stupid - each country has its own unique reason, but the conditions are so arbitrary that it just allows retards like yourself to fester, smugly, as if you had a single decent point.

You didn't even understand why hydrogen cyanide is easier to produce than gunpowder. I don't think you even checked. It's like you are completely uninterested in knowing these things - despite how, obviously, handy it would be to know how to make gunpowder, it has never even crossed your mind.
 
You didn't even understand why hydrogen cyanide is easier to produce than gunpowder. I don't think you even checked. It's like you are completely uninterested in knowing these things - despite how, obviously, handy it would be to know how to make gunpowder, it has never even crossed your mind.
Hey look more weird talking points that mean nothing and only serve to distract from the truth. You pretend like any of it matters but we know the exact form both were in when "used". So did the Nazis just go around handing out cans of Zyklon B for people to huff now? For all your infinite words you post none of them reflect reality in any way nor does your incessant posting add any value to the world besides keeping you from whatever it is you normally do.
 
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