Warhammer 40k

The shit you can read for free?
Your average dimwit with a semi-decent search engine would've had an entire library of Black Library PDFs by now.

In defense of Lore Chuds like myself, I am proud to say I have not given Game Workshop a solitary dollar on their minis. I have however bought some of the books and video games. Which made me think about the investment in an actual army of the minis.

But now....
Exactly. Which means that you not buying any minis won't affect them at all. The people who actually buy the minis are more offended by the Custodes getting nerfed than by them having members with birth canals and mammaries for 10K years.
 
Exactly. Which means that you not buying any minis won't affect them at all. The people who actually buy the minis are more offended by the Custodes getting nerfed than by them having members with birth canals and mammaries for 10K years.
Shortsighted.

The Lore of the game is the lowest barrier of entry. People see a picture of the God Emperor with Donald Trumps head shopped on it, and then wonder wtf that is. So they go to youtube or tik tok or whatever, and then discover this hectic wargame thing.

30 years of story telling for the little plastic models has snowballed into something that is on the cusp of literal cultural transcendence. And its about to get murdered in the cradle by people who view everything as political. The "Lore Chuds" will be the first to go. They won't be the last.
 
I like books I can put on a shelf.
I'm not against buying books as I have multiple shelves full myself, but why would you brag about not buying their minis but still buying their books?

You're proud of giving them money for the stuff you can easily read for free (and might never read again in your life) whereas the minis, while expensive, can give you years and years of enjoyment, weekly use in games etc.

I dunno, just thought that was a bit ironic.
 
I'm not against buying books as I have multiple shelves full myself, but why would you brag about not buying their minis but still buying their books?
The books are cheaper. I have a life, I have kids, I need to pay for things. I can't justify a thousand dollars on toy soldiers. I can justify 10 bucks on a book that I find in a used book store.
 
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Facebook's used mini groups are a goldmine. Just put your Jew nose on, and have some fun finding bargains.

Or don't, you don't have to play the game. I'm really not judging you as much as it might seem. But as a father myself who can't just dump buckets of cash into stupid shit, I got pretty good at finding used mini bargains online.
 
Facebook's used mini groups are a goldmine. Just put your Jew nose on, and have some fun finding bargains.

Or don't, you don't have to play the game. I'm really not judging you as much as it might seem. But as a father myself who can't just dump buckets of cash into stupid shit, I got pretty good at finding used mini bargains online.
I’ve found splitting box sets to be the way.

Take the half you want, then either sell the other to a friend or wait for it to go OOP and scalp it.

My Dark Vengeance scalping covered me through a bout of unemployment, all is fair in love and war.
 
My Dark Vengeance scalping covered me through a bout of unemployment, all is fair in love and war.
Smart. Take advantage of the demand while it's there.

Shortsighted.

The Lore of the game is the lowest barrier of entry. People see a picture of the God Emperor with Donald Trumps head shopped on it, and then wonder wtf that is. So they go to youtube or tik tok or whatever, and then discover this hectic wargame thing.

30 years of story telling for the little plastic models has snowballed into something that is on the cusp of literal cultural transcendence. And its about to get murdered in the cradle by people who view everything as political. The "Lore Chuds" will be the first to go. They won't be the last.
They've been raping the lore for 30 fucking years, dude. Remember when guys like this used to exist in the Space Marine Chapters?

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Then suddenly, all aliens were considered hostile, and guys like this suddenly disappeared into the aether.

Or remember when these guys showed up?

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Primaris Marines. Space Marines who were trained on Mars, forced to join the various Space Marine chapters by the edict of a Primarch who was revived by Eldar aliens. If we were working with 3rd-7th edition 40K, that should've started a mass revolt, since Space Marine chapters only let people in after they've trained them and known them for years. And ever since the retcon that made the humans xenophobic, the Space Marines hated aliens with a passion. But a Primarch revived by an alien suddenly forces them to accept randos from Mars whom they did not know into their chapters. That should've set off all sorts of red flags and caused the Space Marine chapters to scream ''HERESY'', declaring this Guilliman to be an Eldar impostor and uniting their forces to topple him. Instead, outside of a few instances, they get accepted, even though past lore indicates that the opposite should've happened.

GW doesn't give a flying shit about the lore. They've been like this for decades. THIS, my friend, is their official stance.

"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy."

-Gav Thorpe, Lead Designer, Games Workshop

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."

-Andy Hoare, Game Designer GW

"There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP."

-Aaron Dembski-Bowden, co-author Horus Heresy series

So no, GW violating the lore isn't anything new. Only a fool would be surprised that they have no care about canon or lore or any such assumption that there's a contract between the company and its customers that the books and lore they produce somehow adheres to a ''canon'', when GW has always played fast and loose with the concept of lore and has no desire to be rooted to a ''canon'' that determines what is or isn't ''true'' in the setting.

Despite all this lack of care towards the lore, GW's merch continued to sell well. Their game became more popular after 3rd Edition eradicated any mention of half-Eldars in the Space Marines. GW's stock rose to meteoric heights after they released the Primaris Marines. Violating the lore didn't end badly for them, it made them richer, because the controversy just causes more people to either hate-buy or get curious. So at the end of the day, this lore violation won't have any real effect, the next time they come out with a new box set, GW's online stores will be sold out of the latest merch in a short while, and the scalpers will be selling the newest box sets for 2-3 times the original price, while the suits will be laughing their way to the bank, as always.
 
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Hot take: Primarass were made to be a cleaner, less edgier version of Space Marines because "Muh cheap, Chinese labor."

That's the thing though; GW has already chased out anyone who isn't a whale long before this. So their army of shills and whales will still buy, their losses will be minimal, and if history serves as any indication, they will make bank on this, the newest kits will sell out quickly, and scalpers will start targeting the new releases, buying them up, and selling them for a profit on places like Ebay or Amazon. And the grognards will buy it all the way. GW and the scalpers will be laughing all the way to the bank, and this whole ''boycott'' over the Fem-Custodes thing will amount to nothing.
Dominion (Age of Shitmar 3.0) and the Black Templar boxes were failures in terms of sales (The BT boxes were insulting because they added were diversity heads for the mahreens). I'm in a blue state where you have a few people play this game, but you could still find Dominion boxes for a long time. I'm not denying these sell on GW's site, but in hobby shops this shit hardly sells. Stores hate doing business with GW because they know Games Wokeshop goes out of the way to fuck with them. It blows my mind how Games Wokeshop openly sells things to scalpers. Eventually whales will dry up if you keep churning out shitty products (look at dead gacha games).

I mean, lets be real guys like QuartPounder and YellowPiss dont care about this stuff, they just wanna make knee jerk reaction vids, so they can make easy clicks of it. Fuck, at times I feel these guys are all reading from the same script and template
My beef with the antisjws nowadays is they just want clicks, and don't bother to research anything. They're talking about the Pokemon Go avatars, but they didn't look into how the game's been awful and losing money because TPC and Nianctic keep fucking with the players (nerfing raids, shitty fomo events, terrible meta). You won't see Jeremy from Grifters and Goyims admit Nintendo is woke like the rest of the big Japanese companies (reminder Beardo defended Spider Cuck 2). If these assholes cared, they would have looked into Games Wokeshop's other terrible actions and past woke moments like supporting Black Lives Matter and Antifa with their "You won't be missed message" and the "Nazi incident" at a tournament. I think everyone in this thread knows how awful GW has been way before sjws were a thing.
 
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They've been raping the lore for 30 fucking years, dude. Remember when guys like this used to exist in the Space Marine Chapters?
Here's the excuse, and it's already come up in this thread "but that was when things were in flux, that was before 2nd edition, it was still rogue trader, blah blah blah" and if it isn't that it'll be "but that's before X was established" or "this is before Y happened and was expanded on".

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for femstodes. I'm not arguing for throwing wads of cash at GW(hell, I've mentioned recasters). But the fact that this is some last straw, ignoring the previous 30 other last straws and how the company has continually grown after every previous last straw, is hilarious. They kill and change characters left and right. They make entirely new models of tank appear out of thin air that had supposedly been around for millennia. Entire factions have spontaneously popped into existence. But some faceless custodian that no one cared about having a vagina at some point, that's a bridge too far. Han shooting first in A New Hope being edited had more impact on the character than this shit has on the 40k setting.

Dominion (Age of Shitmar 3.0) and the Black Templar boxes were failures in terms of sales (The BT boxes were insulting because they added were diversity heads for the mahreens). I'm in a blue state where you have a few people play this game, but you could still find Dominion boxes for a long time. I'm not denying In hobby shops this shit hardly sells,
You can still find BT and dominion boxes sitting around collecting dust. The heads had nothing to do with why the BT box didn't sell. The BT box didn't sell because it was $200 for what would have otherwise been a $150 combat patrol, padded out with bullshit cards and a printed codex that were practically obsolete before they would make it into someone's shopping cart. Even ignoring the book and cards, even the fucking models were chapter specific and couldn't be used for any other chapter unless they were proxies. The combat patrols had the shoulder pad upgrade sprues and some decals, but you could still use them for whatever chapter you wanted and get a discount.

That was one of the worst "discount" boxes GW had released in a while, or even since.
 
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The heads had nothing to do with why the BT box didn't sell. The BT box didn't sell because it was $200 for what would have otherwise been a $150 combat patrol, padded out with bullshit cards and a printed codex that were practically obsolete before they would make it into someone's shopping cart.
True, but the heads were the only thing sticking out to me with that shitty box.
 
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grandstanding their LARP by a minor, shitty faction getting messed with can kindly and preferably quietly fuck off.
its the inch before a mile,
if you weren’t leaving when actually important shit was happening (price hikes) then you aren’t leaving now.
i have more patience for higher prices, i dont have the patience to begin the process of more and more bullshit being ruined.

So no, GW violating the lore isn't anything new. Only a fool would be surprised that they have no care about canon or lore or any such assumption that there's a contract between the company and its customers that the books and lore they produce somehow adheres to a ''canon'', when GW has always played fast and loose with the concept of lore and has no desire to be rooted to a ''canon'' that determines what is or isn't ''true'' in the setting.

Despite all this lack of care towards the lore, GW's merch continued to sell well. Their game became more popular after 3rd Edition eradicated any mention of half-Eldars in the Space Marines. GW's stock rose to meteoric heights after they released the Primaris Marines. Violating the lore didn't end badly for them, it made them richer, because the controversy just causes more people to either hate-buy or get curious. So at the end of the day, this lore violation won't have any real effect, the next time they come out with a new box set, GW's online stores will be sold out of the latest merch in a short while, and the scalpers will be selling the newest box sets for 2-3 times the original price, while the suits will be laughing their way to the bank, as always.
when they made the imperium more radically xenophobic it created a unique setting though. dei doesnt do that.
ut the fact that this is some last straw, ignoring the previous 30 other last straws and how the company has continually grown after every previous last straw, is hilarious. They kill and change characters left and right. They make entirely new models of tank appear out of thin air that had supposedly been around for millennia. Entire factions have spontaneously popped into existence. But some faceless custodian that no one cared about having a vagina at some point, that's a bridge too far. Han shooting first in A New Hope being edited had more impact on the character than this shit has on the 40k setting.
people see the writing on the wall. it might take years if people hadnt flipped out for anything else to be done but its a signal that there will be more done at the behest of the worst people. idk why thats so complicated to some or why they cant look at the history of other franchises.
 
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when they made the imperium more radically xenophobic it created a unique setting though. dei doesnt do that.
They made the Imperium more radically xenophobic because they wanted to whine about how religious and military conservatives are intolerant. That's why they made the Catholic Space Nazis super intolerant, even though historically, Catholic Imperialists were far more racially tolerant than America was in the 1950s.

Dominion (Age of Shitmar 3.0) and the Black Templar boxes were failures in terms of sales (The BT boxes were insulting because they added were diversity heads for the mahreens). I'm in a blue state where you have a few people play this game, but you could still find Dominion boxes for a long time. I'm not denying these sell on GW's site, but in hobby shops this shit hardly sells. Stores hate doing business with GW because they know Games Wokeshop goes out of the way to fuck with them. It blows my mind how Games Wokeshop openly sells things to scalpers. Eventually whales will dry up if you keep churning out shitty products (look at dead gacha games).
But it did sell out on GW's site. And the scalpers are buying this shit up. The scalpers sell this crap at a markup, because there is demand for it. So while the local stores get fucked, the online market is buzzing with activity. GW hates the hobby shops and would rather see them burn so they can ship their product directly to the player. That way, there's no middleman outside of the scalpers who buy this shit in bulk anyways.

The whales didn't dry up despite decades of GW fucking with stores and jacking up prices. There's no reason for them to dry up now. They're addicts, and GW is their Heisenberg. They will always come back for more, and GW knows it. That's why their online stores sell the stuff quickly, and why the scalpers are making a killing. The fans will always pay for it. If they were going to stop, they'd have stopped a long time ago, when GW was already jacking up prices despite the fact that it's just glorified plastic that's unpainted and un-assembled.

Here's the excuse, and it's already come up in this thread "but that was when things were in flux, that was before 2nd edition, it was still rogue trader, blah blah blah" and if it isn't that it'll be "but that's before X was established" or "this is before Y happened and was expanded on".

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing for femstodes. I'm not arguing for throwing wads of cash at GW(hell, I've mentioned recasters). But the fact that this is some last straw, ignoring the previous 30 other last straws and how the company has continually grown after every previous last straw, is hilarious. They kill and change characters left and right. They make entirely new models of tank appear out of thin air that had supposedly been around for millennia. Entire factions have spontaneously popped into existence. But some faceless custodian that no one cared about having a vagina at some point, that's a bridge too far. Han shooting first in A New Hope being edited had more impact on the character than this shit has on the 40k setting.
The price hikes should've been the final straw. It affects the players in real life, as opposed to inserting new marines into traditionally paranoid chapters or giving a Custodes a birth canal. The latter is just make-believe; you can just head-canon it out of your mind and say that the lone female Custodes was just a Sister of Battle doing a prank, or say that the Primaris Marines were veteran Space Marines from each chapter given new upgrades. Price hikes never stop, and they gouge the wallets of the players, yet the players come back for more.

So no. This whole Fem-Custodes thing won't be the last straw. The last straw should've been decades ago when GW kept jacking up the price tags. But the fans didn't run away then, so why should they run away now?
 
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They made the Imperium more radically xenophobic because they wanted to whine about how religious and military conservatives are intolerant
it still made a fun setting.
Catholic Imperialists were far more racially tolerant than America was in the 1950s.
lefties suck at satire to the point they dont realize they often accidentally make their opposition look fun or inviting hence all the settings where the nazis won and its paradise for everyone except the scant freaks who want to fuck little boys. the point stands that retconning it then created one of the most famous aspects instead of this one which makes it more samey
But the fans didn't run away then, so why should they run away now?
because now the setting is becoming something they dont want to pay for

i think people are also missing some important context. its not that someone said in good faith to them "hey im a girl/troon/feggot/coomer/ genuinely just want females in power armor guy, can i just have this pwease?" thats not what happened. what happened is some people, some of them older fans some of them not, decided that they wanted to anger people by forcing in representation in ways that are dumb instead of compromising or hearing out concerns. theyve gone as far as to threaten people and dox them and try to ostracize them as bigots because they were fine with female warriors in one way but not their way.

gw looked at those people fucking with fans and said "we shall reward you, our chosen sons/daughters/unspecifieds". thats one of the worst signs you can have for a franchise especially with the "gatecrushers" nonsense. before gw were assholes leveraging something we cared about, now theyre trying to turn it into something we dont care about and to have us foot the bill for it.

i dont know how anyone can get pissy at that. was it faggoty to not kill it earlier? yeah probably i dont see how you cant see the writing on the wall for worse shit to happen to it though.
 
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it still made a fun setting.
Unintentionally. Now they're correcting that.

lefties suck at satire to the point they dont realize they often accidentally make their opposition look fun or inviting hence all the settings where the nazis won and its paradise for everyone except the scant freaks who want to fuck little boys. the point stands that retconning it then created one of the most famous aspects instead of this one which makes it more samey
That didn't matter back in 2017 when they raped the lore with Primaris Marines. Their stock prices surged. So no, raping the lore doesn't hurt their bottom line at all.

because now the setting is becoming something they dont want to pay for
Dude, the whales don't give a shit about the setting, and neither does GW. GW has been raping the setting for years. Remember Matt Ward and his Ultramarines who are so OP and perfect, it made every other SM fan cringe. Remember the Primaris Marines that broke the Space Marine lore in half just so SM players had to re-buy their armies and toss away their old marines. And of course, the countless price hikes that hurt the wallets of the players in real life. If they didn't run away from that very real damage, then giving Custodes birth canals won't scare them away.

i think people are also missing some important context. its not that someone said in good faith to them "hey im a girl/troon/feggot/coomer/ genuinely just want females in power armor guy, can i just have this pwease?" thats not what happened. what happened is some people, some of them older fans some of them not, decided that they wanted to anger people by forcing in representation in ways that are dumb instead of compromising or hearing out concerns. theyve gone as far as to threaten people and dox them and try to ostracize them as bigots because they were fine with female warriors in one way but not their way.
They do that because they know they can get away with it. GW broke the lore in half with the Primaris. GW handed cease and desist orders to fan animators. GW openly sided with SJWs. Yet the product still sells. So why not dox and attack the right-wingers? Half of them probably don't play the game anyways, and the other half that does buy the product will always come again like a battered housewife with Stockholm Syndrome, no matter how many times GW screws over the fans with price hikes and other bullshit. They have the fans pegged, and they know their actions won't hurt their bottom line. So of course, they will keep doing what they're doing, because it's not going to hurt them at all.

My beef with the antisjws nowadays is they just want clicks, and don't bother to research anything. They're talking about the Pokemon Go avatars, but they didn't look into how the game's been awful and losing money because TPC and Nianctic keep fucking with the players (nerfing raids, shitty fomo events, terrible meta). You won't see Jeremy from Grifters and Goyims admit Nintendo is woke like the rest of the big Japanese companies (reminder Beardo defended Spider Cuck 2). If these assholes cared, they would have looked into Games Wokeshop's other terrible actions and past woke moments like supporting Black Lives Matter and Antifa with their "You won't be missed message" and the "Nazi incident" at a tournament. I think everyone in this thread knows how awful GW has been way before sjws were a thing.
If they actually cared, these anti-SJWs would be trying to get guys like Elon Musk and other right-wing billionaires to buy enough stock in GW, like how the right-wing Star Wars and Marvel fans want Nelson Peltz to take over Disney and clean the house. If right-leaning rich folk get enough GW stock, they can put an end to the increasing SJW-ification of Warhammer 40K. They don't. These anti-SJWs are just grifters who fan the flames of the culture war, but have no real strategy to win it. They profit off this ''war'', like some kind of culture war profiteer, but they have no real plan to win. That's why they're despicable.
 
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