Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

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I'm fascinated how the testosterone and aging has changed her face (20 vs. 37).
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Feels like a completely different face shape, hard to believe it's the same skull under there.
Facial fat really can drastically change appearance. I guess that's why forensic facial reconstruction is so hard.

Also, am I crazy or did she get jaw implants?

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Mouth is open at the same angle here, yet the jaw angle is more shallow.
I know I’m late replying to this but this I don’t get too. I know she has obviously aged since then too but she has a completely different face shape now. I don’t understand how.

She looks fucking horrendous now. She was really cute before.
 
I know I’m late replying to this but this I don’t get too. I know she has obviously aged since then too but she has a completely different face shape now. I don’t understand how.

She looks fucking horrendous now. She was really cute before.

You just can't recognize all the trans joy:

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I mean look at all that happiness!

(I can't fucking believe this was the best promo picture they could do. What did the rejects look like?)
 
with people like this it really does seem to come out of nowhere. I know she was married to a woman and gay but she was never particularly butch before. She had long hair and wore makeup/dresses to events. Then suddenly turned into a completely butch “guy”

It really is like they can’t comprehend the idea of being a butch woman. Cut your hair short and look a little more butch before cutting your tits off and calling yourself a man maybe? You really don’t have to do this all at once too.
 
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with people like this it really does seem to come out of nowhere. I know she was married to a woman and gay but she was never particularly butch before. She had long hair and wore makeup/dresses to events. Then suddenly turned into a completely butch “guy”

It really is like they can’t comprehend the idea of being a butch woman. Cut your hair short and look a little more butch before cutting your tits off and calling yourself a man maybe? You really don’t have to do this all at once too.
Butch is uncool compared to being a pooner, and everything that makes someone a masculine woman is said to be indicators of being a man trapped in a woman's body. I doubt it's much deeper than that.
 
Butch is uncool compared to being a pooner, and everything that makes someone a masculine woman is said to be indicators of being a man trapped in a woman's body. I doubt it's much deeper than that.
It really does feel like we’re going completely backwards. Even in the 90’s I remember the “girls can do anything!” thing. I miss that. All these ridiculous stereotypes. I read an article a few months ago of a woman who calls herself non binary and one of the reasons is that she doesn’t like chocolate. It’s so fucking stupid.
 
It really does feel like we’re going completely backwards.
Yes, I don't know if this was a backwards change, I'm having trouble articulating it. I feel the stress used to be on passing well enough that you wouldn't alarm people, rather than the person having their gender affirmed. I used to be a pronoun respecter and my line of reasoning at the time was, "Wouldn't it be weird if Blaire White were in the mens room? And even if someone isn't passing I don't want anyone to get the shit beaten out of them." Now it's people who are not even trying at all to look like women, but to give them pushback about anything is "violence."

I feel like nonbinary shit made whatever I'm trying to get at in the above even worse.
 
Butch is uncool compared to being a pooner, and everything that makes someone a masculine woman is said to be indicators of being a man trapped in a woman's body. I doubt it's much deeper than that.
Yeah these types would have rather be seen as a man, and/or androgynous queer whatever, then maybe a straight woman, then a pile of shit, then way way down the list is butch lesbian. It's the least cool, least sexy thing to be in their circles these days (other than an actual straight man ofc)
 
Butch is uncool compared to being a pooner, and everything that makes someone a masculine woman is said to be indicators of being a man trapped in a woman's body. I doubt it's much deeper than that.
It’s sad, man 😞 I was a tom boy as a kid, I turned slightly stereotypically girlier as a teenager but as I’ve gotten older I’ve turned back. I still have long hair (I look ridiculous with it short) but mostly wear band t shirts, plaid shirts and jeans now. I could very easily call myself “non binary” because of this and no one in this space would question it. It’s so stupid.
 
It really does feel like we’re going completely backwards. Even in the 90’s I remember the “girls can do anything!” thing. I miss that. All these ridiculous stereotypes. I read an article a few months ago of a woman who calls herself non binary and one of the reasons is that she doesn’t like chocolate. It’s so fucking stupid.
One of my favourite things is to hear teens or 20 something people educating me about how we have evolved as a society and now we recognize there are more than two genders and gender is a spectrum, etc.

No, fem. We didn't evolve. We devolved. When I was a teen a girl/woman can have a short hair, wear guy's clothes, be attracted to women, be masculine and no one thought they are not girls/women. A few girls in my highschool year shaved their heads just to try it out. Now you can't have a haircut without declaring yourself some flavour of trans. It's unbelievable.
 
One of my favourite things is to hear teens or 20 something people educating me about how we have evolved as a society and now we recognize there are more than two genders and gender is a spectrum, etc.

No, fem. We didn't evolve. We devolved. When I was a teen a girl/woman can have a short hair, wear guy's clothes, be attracted to women, be masculine and no one thought they are not girls/women. A few girls in my highschool year shaved their heads just to try it out. Now you can't have a haircut without declaring yourself some flavour of trans. It's unbelievable.
i agree. they are unbearable
 
One of my favourite things is to hear teens or 20 something people educating me about how we have evolved as a society and now we recognize there are more than two genders and gender is a spectrum, etc.

No, fem. We didn't evolve. We devolved. When I was a teen a girl/woman can have a short hair, wear guy's clothes, be attracted to women, be masculine and no one thought they are not girls/women. A few girls in my highschool year shaved their heads just to try it out. Now you can't have a haircut without declaring yourself some flavour of trans. It's unbelievable.
1990s: (the villain in the film, mockingly) shaved head? what are you....some kind of dude? (laughs, peels off in a cloud of dust)

2020s: (the fat androgynous sidekick in the film, politely) shaved head? what are you....some kind of dude? (touches your hand meaningfully as Arcade Fire starts playing)

I hate this gay earth
 
One of my favourite things is to hear teens or 20 something people educating me about how we have evolved as a society and now we recognize there are more than two genders and gender is a spectrum, etc.

No, fem. We didn't evolve. We devolved. When I was a teen a girl/woman can have a short hair, wear guy's clothes, be attracted to women, be masculine and no one thought they are not girls/women. A few girls in my highschool year shaved their heads just to try it out. Now you can't have a haircut without declaring yourself some flavour of trans. It's unbelievable.
I grew up as an emo/scene kid in the mid 2000’s. Make fun of that all you will but THAT was attacking gender norms way more than this is. The guys then had long hair and were wearing eyeliner but still realised they were guys. I honestly can’t remember any of the guys then thinking they were actually girls. The girls in that scene weren’t as gender non-confirming which is mostly why I attempted to look more feminine.
 
Chapter 11, "Only Kidding". In this new chapter, Ellen decides that the best content to talk about is very private stuff in her life, but what makes it different from the sexual stuff? You see, for some reason she starts talking about really gross stuff in here that nobody really wanted to know but for some reason she put it in her book. You'll find out what I'm talking about literally in the first paragraph of the chapter.

Like the time she vomited in 4th of July, graphically described to get you in the inmersion.

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And then, for some reason after telling this marvelous experience, she decides to talk about her gender dysphoria.

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And when she was 11 years old, she had a horrible problem with E. coli. She shitted herself so hard that she passed out and she hit her head hard on the floor, one has to wonder if that hit in her head impacted her life in some way...

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At that moment, after Ellen was basically shitting her life away, her stepmother stepped in and basically laughed in her face because she fell hard. Cold-blooded bitch. The way is phrased though is so funny to me, it looks like a comically machiavellian villain saying that to Ellen insted of her stepmother.

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She then talks about her moments when she was doing football in her youth. And the moment when she starts realizing that her mother is not as lovely to her as she once was. And that something seemed fishy on her. It was also when she realized that it was basically her fault that her parents divorced, words by her father years later, allegedly.

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During this part, she makes a couple of statements, the first one being that she felt that her father hated her because being an accident. And then confessing that she actually hated being in that house, despite she telling that she loved being there not to many chapters ago. Which one is it, Ellen?

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She then mentions to get a nickname from her stepmother after the incident, Skid Mark. They were all against her!

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And then, when they were in that cabin, she got into an incident with, and I kid you not here, a beaver. :story: She even mentions that the beaver was probably bigger than her, which I will not doubt about it.

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One of those little fuckers even attacked her during a point, giving a taste of her abdomen during the process. She almost got killed by a beaver, think about that. LOL

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And after seeing a bear and being fascinated by it. The bullying in the cabin came back, and poor Ellen tell her experiences about being called Skid Mark.

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Her father then goes on the whole "It's just a prank, dood!" shtick. Ellen could not accept that treason on her father and resents him ever since.

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Fastforward, she starts talking about how rollerblades makes you more gay.

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Why is she talking about rollerblades? Well, because at some point in her youth, she was using them while having one of the worst moments of her life, according to her. Her FIRST period, but not in the most conventional way to have a period, mind you. She had an accident with those rollerblades, in which she fell and she got hit hard in the cooch.

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She went to her house, but OH NO! It seems that Linda was the only one who could help her in that crucial moment, either it was getting soaked in blood or getting the help of her, what do you think happened?

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But Linda, being the bitch stepmother, didn't do much to help her. And Ellen decided to show her the panties being soaked in blood.

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After the horrific sight, she went to the hospital, where she was a attended by a nice doctor lady. And then she proceeds to describe in detail how that went.

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And it appeared to cause her a trauma that something was wrong with her vajayjay. Then, she proceeds to talk about another guy she went around with, called Kenneth.

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And of course, they would fuck, Ellen said that she didn't felt a lot during the intercourses. But not for the young man she went through, she thinks that the experience with the rollerblades might affected her vagina in some way.

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And this also might have to do with her going as a lesbian too.

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And to end the chapter, there is an experience with the first gynecologist she went.

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What the fuck, man.

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"I just want to be a 10-year-old boy."
The number of embedded confessions in this book is crazy. Like she lays out all the evidence of being traumatized into her every decision, but then she insists this is the one true part of her that can't be questioned.

Arrested development is the cause of all troonery.

I also want to mention that her writing is particularly bad when she's describing action. Had no idea what was happening in any of those rollerblading scenes.
 
I also want to mention that her writing is particularly bad when she's describing action. Had no idea what was happening in any of those rollerblading scenes.
Glad I wasn't the only one having troubles reading this part. I had to re-read some of the stuff like three or four times to make sure I was reading correctly. Her writing is atrocious, either that or her ghost writer is really bad.
 
Maybe Linda was truly an awful person, but what if she wasn't and Ellen is just being a huge whiner? Troons lie and exaggerate all of the time so I have doubts that Linda was this truly awful person. For example, Ellen said Linda laughed at her and asked "What are you doing?" when she was puking or whatever. She makes it sound like Linda was just sitting there laughing at her pain. But what if Linda just wasn't sure what Ellen was doing when Linda first happened upon her? ? In the next sentence, Ellen even says that Linda laughed but then went to get her a cold compress and stuff, so clearly Linda wasn't all bad.

And yeah, I can get how the nickname "skidmark" can hurt, especially when you're young and a girl, but isn't this something that always happens in families? I remember being called nicknames that I didn't like, but so did my other siblings. I find it hard to believe it was only Ellen getting ribbed on in the family. And while it may not be fun while it's happening to you, it also serves a purpose, it teaches you not to take things so seriously and how to learn to poke fun at misfortunes rather than staying upset at them.

Idk, like I said, maybe Linda really was a heartless bitch, but even still, I can't imagine being an adult and writing a memoir about being traumatized over a pretty tame nickname.
 
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