Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[XYZpdq Jr.]

only one of them is a Starwars matter.

For now....

 

[Male Idiot]

For now....

I guess Superman vs Vader would sell funko pops lol.

 

[Screamer_2]

Lightsabre melts blast door, in tummy just some black singe on your clothing. Shouldn't it all burst on fire?

No idea if this is canon, can't a Jedi use the force to intensify the lightsabre?

Darth Maul isn't human, so there can be hand waving. In fact are humans in Star Wars actually human? I assume so, but why would they necessarily be?

Anakin only survived because they drained Padme's life force to transfer to him. It's not clearly explain, maybe I am head cannoning but that's how I interpret the "lost the will to live" thing. Anakin wanted to learn how to cheat death for his loved ones. In the end he cheated death by his loved one being sacrificed.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Lightsabre melts blast door, in tummy just some black singe on your clothing. Shouldn't it all burst on fire?

No idea if this is canon, can't a Jedi use the force to intensify the lightsabre?

Darth Maul isn't human, so there can be hand waving. In fact are humans in Star Wars actually human? I assume so, but why would they necessarily be?

Anakin only survived because they drained Padme's life force to transfer to him. It's not clearly explain, maybe I am head cannoning but that's how I interpret the "lost the will to live" thing. Anakin wanted to learn how to cheat death for his loved ones. In the end he cheated death by his loved one being sacrificed.

iirc yes humans are exactly humans, and they came just short of an old EU book where An Even Longer Time Ago In A Galaxy You Are In the American Graffitis got abducted by ayyyys and taken to A Galaxy Far Far Away but somebody realized that was fucking retarded and stopped it

 

[Lazy Printer]

Lightsabre melts blast door, in tummy just some black singe on your clothing. Shouldn't it all burst on fire?

Shouldn't the jedi themselves burst on fires? You have wear gloves in orders to use a plasma torch irl. And do lightsabers generate magnetic fields? Since they clash at each other like they are solid i always assumed this happenend because the magnetic field repelled each other so i wonder if this is a thing in the EU.

 

[Male Idiot]

I think it is held very tightly contained in a magnetic field. So the door disrupts it, and it gets melted.

But that's only because it is a super tough gigachud door. Other doors just get sliced. It was meant to show that the door was very tough, putting the saber to its absolute limit.

Maybe Kylo's more unstable saber would fry your innards, or a Sith could make a special innard frying saber, but general since you can just lop people in half with them maybe people haven't bothered. Plus it may deplete the plasma inside the blade, which could be inconvenient.
Like how you can coat a 0.50 cal for your Browning in poison but its not really needed and a chore for what little it does.

Plus, if you do not, you can have your fallen mentor utter a few last words, and generally not burst into flames when dead, which is way easier for writers, special effects and age rating. If Quigon's chest had a massive burned wound and his clothes caught on fire, you bet the film wouldn't be kid friendly.

I mean you can just do the Obiwan and turn the enemy into two halves, that is just as lethal unless Filoni goes DURRRRRR, Maul, HURRRRR!

Maul's species is tougher, but not Space marine tough. Being cut at the waist would still be very nasty. Than they are also not splat proof. Its like a fantasy dwarf. You can punch them a bit more, but if you rip them in half they still die. A bottomless pit also kills them.

If Maul was just shoved down intact or Obiwan just lopped a leg off and he fell into the hole, I would believe it that he somehow force-grabbed the walls and slowed himself down, but with being cut in half, he became a smear on the floor at one point. Unless Sidious was there with a jetpack and a very large net.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Lightsabre melts blast door, in tummy just some black singe on your clothing. Shouldn't it all burst on fire?

I suppose maybe a lightsaber has power settings like a blaster, going from ''barely singing you'' to ''LOL blast doors are toilet paper''.

No idea if this is canon, can't a Jedi use the force to intensify the lightsabre?

A Sith can. Starkiller can pump Force Lightning through his lightsaber, and that ability showed up again in SWTOR.

Anakin only survived because they drained Padme's life force to transfer to him. It's not clearly explain, maybe I am head cannoning but that's how I interpret the "lost the will to live" thing. Anakin wanted to learn how to cheat death for his loved ones. In the end he cheated death by his loved one being sacrificed.

No, the truth about Padme ''losing the will to live'' is that it psychologically broke her seeing Anakin turn evil, and that led to her death. Palpatine even thinks about it in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, where he muses that the 501st could've probably killed all the Jedi in the Temple, but he sent Anakin in regardless to make sure Padme would get heartbroken over it and it would lead to her death.

 

[Lazy Printer]

In swtor your character is stabbed by a lightsaber, just take a 2 day nap and is whole again, because space magi i guess but they should at least showed the character getting some kinda of medical treatment. The rules tend to change according to the narrative need.

 

[Caligura]

I always saw Andor as overrated.

I still don't get why people shill for Andor within the current framework of Disney-Star Wars. Same with Rogue One. I mean if you can compartmentalize the two things as totally separate things unrelated to the ST, then maybe.

Like if Andor (and Rogue One) as a show came out during the EU era before 2014, it would actually be pretty watchable and I wouldn't mind those two whatsoever. They're certainly the only tolerable things to come out from the Disney-Star Wars era.

But they're all undermined by one big thing: What's the point of their stories?

We all know the Rebellion fails during the totally-heckin' canon sequel trilogy, every sacrifice the original Rebel Alliance has done has been for moot with billions perishing under the First Order's totally-heckin' mega Deathstar planet. Hell the Rebels probably were better not rebelling at all if it meant that they didn't make things any worse in the long-run. It all makes it feel pointless when you realize all roads lead into the ST and there's no stopping it according to Disney. Sadly this may even apply to the Original Trilogy as well given how pointless they now seem in the grand scheme of things.

Same reason why I can't take the Mandolorian show seriously. What's the point if it all leads into shit that doesn't matter in the end. Why does Mando (idk his name) killing yet another Giancarlo Esposito villain matter when in the end the heckin' valid First Order will come up and we need girlboss Rey to save the day yet again.

At least the post-Rebellion conflicts in the EU are cool in a way that don't nullify the OT. When the Vong arrived it didn't nullify whatever the Rebellion did and the way they handled Galactic Empire remnants and successor states is done way more better without it rehashing the same old 'Good Guy Rebels vs Evil Chud Stormtroopers' yet again. Everything still had a purpose and nothing was rendered pointless or all for naught.

Fel Empire my beloved.

 

[Adamska]

I mean you can just do the Obiwan and turn the enemy into two halves, that is just as lethal unless Filoni goes DURRRRRR, Maul, HURRRRR!

Maul's species is tougher, but not Space marine tough. Being cut at the waist would still be very nasty. Than they are also not splat proof. Its like a fantasy dwarf. You can punch them a bit more, but if you rip them in half they still die. A bottomless pit also kills them.

If Maul was just shoved down intact or Obiwan just lopped a leg off and he fell into the hole, I would believe it that he somehow force-grabbed the walls and slowed himself down, but with being cut in half, he became a smear on the floor at one point. Unless Sidious was there with a jetpack and a very large net.

Maul survived before Dave fucked it up. He basically was so angry and dove so hard into the dark side he refused to let his essence leave his broken shell. He was actually too angry to die. It's still dumb to me though, so I'd be fine with icing him.

As for Padme dying? It sounds silly with how she died, but women who are stressed and going into labor can have complications; like "massive hemorrhage" level complication. Especially since he did force choke the shit out of her.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Maul survived before Dave fucked it up. He basically was so angry and dove so hard into the dark side he refused to let his essence leave his broken shell. He was actually too angry to die. It's still dumb to me though, so I'd be fine with icing him.

As for Padme dying? It sounds silly with how she died, but women who are stressed and going into labor can have complications; like "massive hemorrhage" level complication. Especially since he did force choke the shit out of her.

After Debbie Reynolds died after Carrie Fisher died, I no longer laugh at dying from a broken heart.

 

[Ghostse]

Maul survived before Dave fucked it up. He basically was so angry and dove so hard into the dark side he refused to let his essence leave his broken shell. He was actually too angry to die. It's still dumb to me though, so I'd be fine with icing him.

While I think Maul should have stayed dead because part of the what makes the character cool is how little we knew about him, and learned more is only going to fuck that up.
If they had something planned like where he's so angry that his soul refuses to rejoin the force and he comes a force polterguiest that Papa Palps collects and puts into an unfeeling droid body or some sort of clone or w/e where he's just a 100% rage-filled ghost-in-a-shell, I could have gotten behind that.

But mainly, what they did with Maul they could have just as easily done with someone with a connection to Maul: Family, ally, lover, etc without the Comic Book resurrection.

inb4 no one's ever really gone.

As for Padme dying? It sounds silly with how she died, but women who are stressed and going into labor can have complications; like "massive hemorrhage" level complication. Especially since he did force choke the shit out of her.

The only issue I have with Padme dying is George's clunky ass dialog explaining it.
She has just been force choked as her entire world collapses and in this depleted state has to deliver twins. Totally makes sense she's teetering on the edge of death and doesn't have the fight in her keep from slipping away.
But the fucking dialog as they convey this fact....

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

But mainly, what they did with Maul they could have just as easily done with someone with a connection to Maul: Family, ally, lover, etc without the Comic Book resurrection.

And in fact, did. In Filoni Wars, Maul's brother, Darth Savage, went looking for Maul after failing to kill Dooku. That's who found him on the garbage planet.

 

[Ghostse]

And in fact, did. In Filoni Wars, Maul's brother, Darth Savage, went looking for Maul after failing to kill Dooku. That's who found him on the garbage planet.

I'm not 100% on the clone lore, but I knew they brought in Maul's brother and that's what I'm talking about - there is absolutely no reason Maul's brother couldn't have done everything Maul did with more or less the exact same vengence motivation.

 

[Male Idiot]

Yeah I got no problem with Padmé.

What we know of regular medical technology from the films is not that conclusive.

We know that Luke's mauling got treated by healing tank and he could get a new hand.

We know Vader amd Grievous could survive... grievous injuries, hehe, but that can easily be special tech that only exists in Palpatine's private lab, and not on Organa's private jet-yact.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

At least the post-Rebellion conflicts in the EU are cool in a way that don't nullify the OT. When the Vong arrived it didn't nullify whatever the Rebellion did and the way they handled Galactic Empire remnants and successor states is done way more better without it rehashing the same old 'Good Guy Rebels vs Evil Chud Stormtroopers' yet again. Everything still had a purpose and nothing was rendered pointless or all for naught.

Fel Empire my beloved.

If anything, the Vong War brought a wealth of existential and idealogical challenges to both the New Republic and especially the Jedi, who literally begin to question whether or not the Force has abandoned them in the face of this insurmountable enemy, and plummet into the moral dilemma of whether or not they can counter a dogmatic civilization--one bent on expunging the galaxy, seemingly beyond reason or redemption--with a wipe-out solution of their own...and whether seeking that solution undermines the very moral fabric of the light side or the Jedi itself.

So encompassing are the Vong as a threat that it actually forces the Empire to evolve out of their old ways and join forces with the New Republic to direct their combined might against a mutual enemy.

You would never see anyone in the Disney regime attempt something that bold, inventive or galaxy-shattering as a narrative concept. And in the pursuit of making everything safe and boiler-plate in a poor attempt to mimic the Original Trilogy, they've ironically created an infinitely more nihilistic outcome than the Vong War by having the OT Heroes die, have their accomplishments washed away, and have them all outlived by the cloned spawn of Emperor Palpatine.

 

[draggs]

If anything, the Vong War brought a wealth of existential and idealogical challenges to both the New Republic and especially the Jedi, who literally begin to question whether or not the Force has abandoned them in the face of this insurmountable enemy, and plummet into the moral dilemma of whether or not they can counter a dogmatic civilization--one bent on expunging the galaxy, seemingly beyond reason or redemption--with a wipe-out solution of their own...and whether seeking that solution undermines the very moral fabric of the light side or the Jedi itself.

So encompassing are the Vong as a threat that it actually forces the Empire to evolve out of their old ways and join forces with the New Republic to direct their combined might against a mutual enemy.

You would never see anyone in the Disney regime attempt something that bold, inventive or galaxy-shattering as a narrative concept. And in the pursuit of making everything safe and boiler-plate in a poor attempt to mimic the Original Trilogy, they've ironically created an infinitely more nihilistic outcome than the Vong War by having the OT Heroes die, have their accomplishments washed away, and have them all outlived by the cloned spawn of Emperor Palpatine.

They had already done that with the Hand of Thrawn duology, in the end Pellaeon forced the remaining Moffs to let go of their ideological hang-ups and make peace with the New Republic because it was in the Imperial Remnant's objective self-interest to do so. Which didn't mean they had to be best frens or anything, Pellaeon makes that clear during the Vong invasion when the Remnant finally openly joins the fight on the condition that they get to keep any Vong-occupied systems they liberate. Way too nuanced for nu Wars

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

They had already done that with the Hand of Thrawn duology, in the end Pellaeon forced the remaining Moffs to let go of their ideological hang-ups and make peace with the New Republic because it was in the Imperial Remnant's objective self-interest to do so. Which didn't mean they had to be best frens or anything, Pellaeon makes that clear during the Vong invasion when the Remnant finally openly joins the fight on the condition that they get to keep any Vong-occupied systems they liberate. Way too nuanced for nu Wars

What makes it even better is the realism in the Remnant's slow evolution out of its old form of the Empire; when Palleon does in fact surrender at the end of Vision of the Future, it isn't a clean transition for the faction as a whole. In fact, when the Vong War actually starts years later, plenty of Moffs all dissent from Palleon's peace-seeking position...with one particularly characteristic scene from Dark Tide showing an Imperial Council Meeting in which many scorned and bitter Moffs are calling to simply let the New Republic smolder in the Vong Warpath, declaring: "Why should we lift a finger to help these Rebels, when they drove us into exile and diminished power?" And it's because of that lack of unity that Baron Soontir Fel--once one of the NR's deadliest enemies during the Bantam Era of novels--splinters off from the rest of the Imperial Remnant, and lends aid to the heroes with the deployment of his fleet, led by his son Jagged Fel. And even after the Vong War, there's plenty of holdovers from the previous era (like Lecersen) who not only resent the direction the Remnant has taken as an ally of the heroes, but even work to undercut and betray Palleon. It's only due to years of exhaustive work at the hands of Jagged Fel (and his future wife, Jaina), that all the elements of the Palpatine-Era Regime are stamped out and the Remnant makes its full transformation into a force for peace and justice, as seen in the future of Legacy.

That's years of world-building, factional development, logistical nuance and character trajectories that Disney and Nucasfilm are, quite honestly, too fucking lazy to do with any nuance. They couldn't even have their pristine YASS-QUEEN Protag of DiceFront II, Iden Version, make a convincing moral switch over the span of one game.

I struggle to picture them handling the evolution of an entire faction the way that the EU Authors did over twenty years of novels and comics, many of which were written at the utter whim of unpredictable and ever-changing in-universe parameters thanks to the influx of movies being made by Lucas himself at the time.

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[Male Idiot]

Even if they could, redeeming the chuds wouldn't be woke.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

If anything, the Vong War brought a wealth of existential and idealogical challenges to both the New Republic and especially the Jedi, who literally begin to question whether or not the Force has abandoned them in the face of this insurmountable enemy, and plummet into the moral dilemma of whether or not they can counter a dogmatic civilization--one bent on expunging the galaxy, seemingly beyond reason or redemption--with a wipe-out solution of their own...and whether seeking that solution undermines the very moral fabric of the light side or the Jedi itself.

So encompassing are the Vong as a threat that it actually forces the Empire to evolve out of their old ways and join forces with the New Republic to direct their combined might against a mutual enemy.

You would never see anyone in the Disney regime attempt something that bold, inventive or galaxy-shattering as a narrative concept. And in the pursuit of making everything safe and boiler-plate in a poor attempt to mimic the Original Trilogy, they've ironically created an infinitely more nihilistic outcome than the Vong War by having the OT Heroes die, have their accomplishments washed away, and have them all outlived by the cloned spawn of Emperor Palpatine.

Thing is, it just ends up like capeshit.

The previously-invincible enemy suddenly has weaknesses that a pathetic remnant of the Republic and Empire can exploit, then they lose. It's like having Darkseid kick the shit out of the Justice League, only for Batman to turn up with a gun that kills the bastard.

Not to mention that the more powerful Force feats from Dark Empire and Tales of the Jedi could've been used, like Battle Meditation or Force Storm, yet they aren't. It just makes the Jedi of the NJO era look like chumps when they have a crisis of faith, when their faith literally has weapons that would make the Vong look like pathetic children going up against a fully-grown wrestler. Luke witnessed this shit. He was with Dark Empire Palpatine and Joruus C'baoth from the Thrawn novels. The former used Force Storms that could've eradicated whole Vong fleets, the latter used Battle Meditation that could've sapped the Vong fleets of their strength. Luke should've been the first to speak up.

I would've preferred instead a battle of ethics. Like, the Jedi discover some ancient Sith texts that display forgotten powers, and they also figure out that Dark Side powers are effective against the Vong. A splinter faction of the Jedi influenced by Lumiya are proposing using Dark Side powers like Force Storms, life-draining whole worlds, and blowing up whole star systems as the answer to the Vong problem.

While some Jedi begin to believe Lumiya, others like Luke, Kyle, and Mara do not, believing in honor and harmony with the Force being the answer instead of using the Force the way a barbarian uses a cudgel. Eventually, the Jedi loyalists discover Yoda's manuals for Battle Meditation, which Luke uses against the Vong to help the NR forces win against the Vong, tempering the need for Dark Side superweapons and helping the NR win conventionally, without relying on the Dark Side.

If you're going to make the plot be like capeshit, then at the least, make it good capeshit, make it interesting.

But they're all undermined by one big thing: What's the point of their stories?

It's all about fighting against Fascism. FIGHT DA POWAH! It's this senseless idealism of you defeating a tyranny because you can rally the people. This without asking the question if you actually SHOULD, because at the end of the day, the new government is even worse than what it replaced, with Palpatine's heirs manipulating them like puppets. They basically made all governments look bad, be they Republic, Confederate, Empire, or New Republic, and the real good guys were the Resistance, who just rebel without actually trying to form a government.

If you haven't noticed, Star Wars, like most media today, have been appropriated by Marxists who believe in an eternal revolution being a good thing. This is why Rise of Skywalker ends not with a new order being established, but by rebels rebelling against the First Order after the Emperor was vaporized. They really don't want to answer the question of what happens after, since that would force them to understand that a culture that relies on permanent rebellion does not work. It just becomes a mess and nothing gets done. But you can't say that to the modern apparatchiks running most companies today, because it undermines their idea of how being permanent rebels is a good thing.

Never mind that the original Rebels were actually more conservative than the Imperials. The Imperials were sacrificing tradition and old rights on the altar of efficiency, they threw away the Senate and the Jedi Order which had ruled the galaxy for a thousand generations just to have a more efficient government, but the Rebellion wanted to restore the Senatorial Aristocracy and the Jedi back into their rightful place of rulership. They wanted to restore the clergy and nobles of the old world back into power after the absolute monarchy harried out the former and castrated the latter.

The Rebellion was, during Lucas' OT, a rebellion to restore old rights, old traditions, and the old order, not to simply create a culture of eternal rebellion. They wanted to make the NR into Space Gondor, not some kind of space communist state. Hence why they had nobles and clergy in their ranks; the Jedi of old support the Rebellion, as do members of the Senatorial Aristocracy. They had more in common with the counter-revolutionaries of Revolutionary France rather than the actual Revolutionaries who became an Empire under Napoleon, especially since the latter had more in common with Palpatine's Empire.

But the Rebellion is no longer about that. Andor posited the idea that the Rebellion was started by anarchists who saw that the Empire wasn't tyrannical enough, and so they decided to solve that problem by attacking the Empire to provoke their wrath. The new Rebellion no longer cares about old rights and privileges; they forced the Empire's hand and forced them to attack those old rights and privileges by assaulting them and proving them to be vulnerable. Andor showed that the Empire did preserve the old rights and privileges of each sector to rule themselves, but the Rebellion changed that and forced the Empire to assault the populace. The new version of the Rebellion was willing to sacrifice innocents in order to get their political goals across, which is not how the Rebellion operated in the old lore.