Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

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Did the second and third great awakening and the religions that spawned being baptists, mormons, adventists, jws plus the myriad of McChurches ended up damaging Christianity on the long run?, After all these movements were the ones that created things like the satanic panic, the vidya and anime "are things from the devil" crap and their overall authoritarian/paranoid nature (mormons and jws i'm looking at you two) resulted in people getting huge doses of resentment and burnout helping to usher the fedora atheism wave who eventually evolved into the secular religion that is the SJW dogma, i say that because the other day i stumbled upon a video of Brendon Urie (who was raised as a mormon) sperging about the bible being a bronze age book full of crap made before modern science in true new atheist fashion
As a certified MORMON, I'll say this. Our ex members are spergs that deserve a thread. It boils down to this: they are mad that dad made them go to church on Sunday, and possibly mad they haven't gotten laid yet because chastity until marriage is a thing (Russel Greer I'm looking at you). It's honestly pathetic.

Yeah, I'm aware of it. Mostly because of Catholics in the UK wanting to join the personal ordinariate Anglican churches.

It's the same stuff in the world of Catholicism too. Europeans (who are mostly liberal) trying to hold on. I really would not be surprised if they elect Robert Sarah to be the next pope and it just melts everyone's brains.
Europe, missionary wise from what I've heard from guys that have been there is Hard mode. They are grumpy, set in their ways.
 
Yeah, I'm aware of it. Mostly because of Catholics in the UK wanting to join the personal ordinariate Anglican churches.

It's the same stuff in the world of Catholicism too. Europeans (who are mostly liberal) trying to hold on. I really would not be surprised if they elect Robert Sarah to be the next pope and it just melts everyone's brains.
I feel as though the Catholic Church may have been irrevocably damaged by Pope Francis who, as of last summer, has now appointed 2/3rds of voting cardinals, ensuring they hold enough voting power to win the next Papal Election.

I love how Pope Benedict foresaw the ongoing assaults on the Catholic Church but rather than actually try to do something to fight back he just quit, he if anything is the reason Catholics are in the predicament they're in now and I'm not sure if Robert Sarah, being nearly 80, would be able to right the ship. Though I think they'll probably pick Peter Erdo from Hungary as the next pope for a variety of reasons.

But yes, eventually in the long run the Conservatives will win out, as surprising as it may seem based on trends in the west Pew Research has indicated Christianity and Islam will increase among the global population by 2100 thanks to the extraordinarily high birth rates in the Religious Global South compared to the Secular parts of the world. It seems that we may soon see a reversal of the early 20th century, instead of missionaries leaving Europe to spread Christianity to Africa and South America missionaries may soon be sent from Africa north to repay the favor in the spiritually dead north.
 
instead of missionaries leaving Europe to spread Christianity to Africa and South America missionaries may soon be sent from Africa north to repay the favor in the spiritually dead north.
The real question is, it would work?, By the 2100s the overall quantity of honest christians will plumit to half or less than half the population and i wouldn't imagine the secular humanist agenda doing things easier if they are to obtain more influence, more if we take into account their current act of paradoxically diminishing christianity whilist shielding islam and other minority religions
 
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The real question is, it would work?, By the 2100s the overall quantity of honest christians will plumit to half or less than half the population and i wouldn't imagine the secular humanist agenda doing things easier of they are to obtain more influence, more if we take into account their current act of paradoxically diminishing christianity whilist shielding islam and other elminority religions
Highly doompilled. Christianity has, in fact, been through darker times. Arguably this isn't even the first time a crisis of faith of this magnitude has happened.

More importantly, they are shortsighted. God works on a different clock than man. People today feel lost because religion has been removed from their lives. They try to fill it with vain worldly things. If you look at the current suicide rate among Gen Z, you can see how that's going. A return to tradition is inevitable. The globalist will wail and gnash their teeth, but like many before, they won't be able to stop Christ's word.
 
The real question is, it would work?, By the 2100s the overall quantity of honest christians will plumit to half or less than half the population and i wouldn't imagine the secular humanist agenda doing things easier if they are to obtain more influence, more if we take into account their current act of paradoxically diminishing christianity whilist shielding islam and other minority religions
Pew Research shows quite the opposite the total christian percentage of the population will grow globally by 2050 due to Africa's high birthrate and Europes low birth rate. I have no reason to see why churches in Africa will become more liberal, additionally the liberal cultural churches of the north (Church of England, Church of Norway/Sweeden/Denmark, and EKD in Germany) are rapidly hermoging membership and will soon go extinct, within a few decades the only churches left will be Conservative ones primarily centered out of the Global South, if they start to send missionaries into the spiritually dead north I see nothing that would stop them from planting the seeds of the faith. It worked in 1900, we took the largely animist sub-Saharan African and converted them, I see no reason to think they can't do the same to an entirely Atheist north.
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I am a christian that is currently non denominational and unsure of what branch of christianity to belong to. What branch do you think is the best for me to choose based on closeness to gods vision for the church
 
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I am a christian that is currently non denominational and unsure of what branch of christianity to belong to. What branch do you think is the best for me to choose based on closeness to gods vision for the church
I guess first, what does God mean to you? Have you read the Bible all the way through? Have you prayed about it?
 
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I am a christian that is currently non denominational and unsure of what branch of christianity to belong to. What branch do you think is the best for me to choose based on closeness to gods vision for the church
I am also a nondenominational christian attending a nondom church. I would caution you against feeling you're required to join any one specific denomination because that would require you to have to defend their doctrine in their entirety or conceded that no one denomination holds a monopoly on truth. Because there are things that every denomination has which I feel is anti-biblical I refuse to tie myself to any specific denomination and prefer to remain a nondenomination Christian, finding value in many of their major faith traditions of Christianity though joining none.
 
I am also a nondenominational christian attending a nondom church. I would caution you against feeling you're required to join any one specific denomination because that would require you to have to defend their doctrine in their entirety or conceded that no one denomination holds a monopoly on truth. Because there are things that every denomination has which I feel is anti-biblical I refuse to tie myself to any specific denomination and prefer to remain a nondenomination Christian, finding value in many of their major faith traditions of Christianity though joining none.
I think though he is seeking a church to call home. Your position is still respectable however. I think you do have some good insights though in just not feeling pressured. Really I'd suggest prayer and bible study, first and foremost. Relaxation of the mind. You wont be able to feel out which church is the "right" one if you aren't in tune with the Spirit.
 
I think though he is seeking a church to call home. Your position is still respectable however. I think you do have some good insights though in just not feeling pressured. Really I'd suggest prayer and bible study, first and foremost. Relaxation of the mind. You wont be able to feel out which church is the "right" one if you aren't in tune with the Spirit.
That's fair, When I became a Christian a few years ago I also went searching for the "correct" denomination before concluding that they all had some unbiblical doctrine I couldn't cosign. That is not to say I don't think people in denominations are doing something wrong or are bad. Far from it, I respect and listen to many different leaders from the more "conservative" denominations on Youtube (Protestant leader John MacArthur, Orthodox Priest Father Spyridon, and Catholic youtuber Pints with Aquinus) and while I don't always agree with every belief of these men I respect them and enjoy listening to their takes on different matters.
 
That's fair, When I became a Christian a few years ago I also went searching for the "correct" denomination before concluding that they all had some unbiblical doctrine I couldn't cosign. That is not to say I don't think people in denominations are doing something wrong or are bad. Far from it, I respect and listen to many different leaders from the more "conservative" denominations on Youtube (Protestant leader John MacArthur, Orthodox Priest Father Spyridon, and Catholic youtuber Pints with Aquinus) and while I don't always agree with every belief of these men I respect them and enjoy listening to their takes on different matters.
Really it's just feeling it out. Some will find a church and some won't. Honestly there are no wrong answers. I do like your conversion story btw.
 
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While I respect Catholicism I really wish they would just do away with the no marriage rule for Priests. I probably come off reddit-esque for this view but I think the ban on clergymen having families was only in place because the Church didn't want to deal with families fighting over inheritance when it could just all stay within the Vatican's wealth. I cannot reconcile a religion that has law going directly against "Be fruitful and multiply..."
That’s objectively the historical reason. There were problems with donations to the church being expropriated by the children of priests. Celibacy is also exhorted in the NT. In my personal experience, my parish priest has confided about frequently being called up by the local hospital. He says that in very many cases the patient is not Catholic at all, but the Orthodox/Anglican/Baptist priest has REFUSED to leave his marital bed.

But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this precept, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”* - Matthew 19:11-12

I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or virgin is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord. - 1 Corinthians 7:32-35


But questioning your own salvation, or the salvation of those around you? That's the work of the devil! Ha!!
It seems to be a basic tenant of Christianity.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; - Philippians 2:12
Why is Eucharist in the Mass reserved for Catholics only? Are they trying to tell us that you cannot accept Christ's sacrifice if you are non Catholic?
The Church is just looking out for you.

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. - 1 Corinthians 11:27-30
Ive always from a young age felt that the idea of the popes and church's being institutionally infallible and unable to be criticized as being wrong in some way.

Im not necessarily ragging on it for any particular thing but recently going over documentaries and info I've read, it seems like there's been an inborn amount of corruption and persecution going back to the days of Constantine. If you step out of line even peacefully your ass is grass.

Latin mass seems to be a good example of this.
You seem confused on what Papal infallibility is and is not. It refers only to matters of doctrine like Dignitas infinita, Laudato si and Humanae vitae. It doesn’t mean the various administrative decisions of the Pope are correct. Even rules like the prohibition on of priests marrying could be MISTAKES. They are not decreed as matters of doctrine.
All of the metaphors Jesus uses to describe the gift of eternal life are irreversible.
Parable of the sower? Parable of the vineyard?

As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. - Matthew 13:20-21
 
It is finished.
I haven't read the new testament fully since I was a child, but if it is complete and translated correctly in these videos, I'm touched. I'm not even through the book of Matthew, and I'm beginning to understand now the reverence with which Christians treat scripture. I never imagined a computer using voice samples would be capable of spreading and inspiring faith in the same way a preacher could. God bless Keith Szarabajka and whoever produced these.
 
I’m curious on your guys’ consensus on the End Times. How do you think it will play out?

Also I have no doubt that the Antichrist will utilize technology in his rise to power, but I often wonder if society will just regress into a pre-industrialized one once the third temple is built since there will be a lack of interest and investment into technology once the Tribulation begins.
 
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I love how Pope Benedict foresaw the ongoing assaults on the Catholic Church but rather than actually try to do something to fight back he just quit
He quit because he made the mistake of investigating the Vatican Bank. He's lucky he didn't get taken for a long drive off a short pier, actually.
 
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What the funniest thing is, what both the interwievers and the interviewed miss, is that this ''church'' has more pagan idols than christian symbolism.
 
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What the funniest thing is, what both the interwievers and the interviewed miss, is that this ''church'' has more pagan idols than christian symbolism.
Paganism is having a small resurgence in the Nordic Countries undoubtedly because these countries have National "Churches" which are all spiritually dead, preforming Gay Weddings, ordaining Women and the like. When you stop preaching unapologetic Christianity and conform to the standards of the world people who are searching for spiritual meaning and truth will turn elsewhere for it. Hence the rise in Nordic Paganism.
 
Not to necro this thread but I want to learn more about christianity, catholicism especially but in general as well. If anybody has any recommendations on good theology books, I would really appreciate it.
 
Not to necro this thread but I want to learn more about christianity, catholicism especially but in general as well. If anybody has any recommendations on good theology books, I would really appreciate it.
read the Bible if you haven't :story:
But learning about the history of late Rome and early Byzantines can give you a perspective on why Catholics and Orthodox are split, why Coptics exist etc.
 
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