Fallout series

[Gravityqueen4life]

Feels good to be king of the wasteland.

 

[God of Nothing]

It’s more the issue that competent people are effectively being punished in the NCR. There’s petty rivalries going on for no reason. Hanlon’s the only person who see’s the Legion as an existential threat on their borders that they haven’t secured. Hanlon’s choices in the game are awful, but he’s going off of fear. The NCR never has fought an enemy that wasn’t in decline or just jumped up gangs. The Legion does have manufacturing and recruits. They have tactics and adapt to the NCR faster than the NCR reacts to them.

The terror attacks the Legion carry out in-game typically aren’t just “you aren’t safe” attacks. They always undermine the NCR. The monorail ensures they can’t easily transport troops into the Strip for both presence and R&R. The Gas attack lets the New Vegas residents fell that the NCR is impotent. The Ranger Station attack and kidnapping is using rape as a threat and a weapon beyond slaughtering a bunch of rangers.

Legion Supremacy baby.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Turning over the NCR to the Legion makes no sense moneywise. The Legion doesn't exactly present itself as a center of commerce. Do you also think it was logical for Vault Tec to nuke the world to increase their profit margins perchance?

Actually, traders from Arizona make good money because the Legion provides protection for them. Brahmin Barons would be able to sell their meat to a brand new market in Legion lands, and they won't even have to pay anything for protection since the Legion pays for it. And the caravan families would obviously support a sovereign who protects trade interests, makes their job of trading a lot easier when the Legion watches their back. With both the brahmin barons and caravan families benefitting from Legion control, they would more than likely persuade the NCR senators to accept a surrender. Especially since they stand to gain so much from it.

As for Lanius, he's an army man, he'll have more than a use for caravan families and brahmin barons to ensure supply transportation and food for his army, once it swells to a larger size after conquering the Mojave, so he'd also have a place for them in his Legion.

I also doubt Caesar's vision for Rome involves keeping a bunch of backstabbing and corrupt Junkers in power.

Yes, Caesar knows well of the corruption within the NCR. And using that to his benefit wouldn't be new for him at all. He already does the same thing with the White-Gloves if you sign on with him.

Exactly how often in history has the nobility in a nation welcomed a barbarian invasion force into their lands?

A lot of times. The original Rome welcomed barbarians and made them the soldiers after the Crisis of the Third Century made Roman Citizens suspicious of joining the army. Then later, the aristocracy of the Byzantine Empire, the so-called ''Second Rome'', dismantled their own citizen-army that answered to Basil II after said Emperor died, and replaced them with more barbarian mercenaries from the Latin West and the Muslim East, mercenaries that the Imperial bureaucracy can hire or fire at will.

Also you call it bullshitting, I call it historical precedence.

It was not historical precedence. None of the Legates or Centurions wish to challenge Lanius because he scares the shit out of them. He already does when Caesar was around, once he dies from his brain tumor, they'll be doubly-scared of him because their men won't support them if they went against Lanius; the myth of Lanius is stronger than the actual man. Caesar programmed his Legion to fear this man and obey him without question. That won't change even after the man dies.

So yes, it is bullshit, since nothing in FNV indicates that Legion officers will rebel against Lanius if he's in control. Hell, it's more likely that they will rebel against him if he LOSES in Hoover Dam, since his myth of invincibility would be shattered by his cowardly retreat. Running away from a mailman, no less. How embarrassing.

Lore-wise, it makes no sense for Lanius to retreat from the Dam no matter what the Courier says. He should've been the Legion version of Frank Horrigan; ready to kill you no matter what, with your words going in one ear and out the other. General Oliver, Colonel Autumn, they're rational military men who can be talked into retreating. Lanius is a savage whose only desire is battle, and whose myth grows with every victory. He'd be the kind to risk everything in war instead of retreating, because if he does retreat, THEN the question of his strength and supremacy would start to emerge.

I might have gotten the wrong Khan, but point was as soon as the leader is dead everyone will scramble back home to fight for the heartlands. It happened constantly during the Roman Empire for example. Lanius doesn't even want the NCR, that's Caesar. Who without the courier will be dead. With Caesar gone Lanius has no actual motivation to waste his legion fighting the NCR while people like Vulpes can seize power back home. Lanius only has the allegiance of his immediate legion, which he would squander trying to pacify the west.

LOL, again, no. Caesar programmed his Legion to fear this man, and nobody in the Legion wishes to challenge Lanius. Even Vulpes is scared of the idea of Caesar dying, since his Frumentarii are in no position to stop Lanius' followers from cementing his hold on the Legion. Also, Lanius does want to conquer the NCR. He even says so at the end of the Legion campaign; he's hoping for the chance to conquer California itself, probably to cement his legend. The first Caesar founded the Legion and unified the tribes, the second Caesar conquered the hated NCR and brought order and civilization to the Mojave and California. Lanius wishes to be the Augustus to Edward Sallow's Caesar.

The issue with the NCR in New Vegas is pretty obvious. Who do they send to get to work for them? Some fucking trooper. Caesar sends one of his TOP GUYS and asked you to be his TOP GUY in New Vegas. The Legion actually is better at intel gathering, there is less politics in command. Everyone fighting understands why they want to take Vegas, there are resources and it’s a a tangible border for them with the Colorado.

My point exactly. The Legion functions like an actual military. The NCR is overwhelmed, overstretched, they have 9000 problems that they don't have the crew to solve, and they can't even guarantee that their victory would be permanent. Hell, the won the previous battle for Hoover Dam, and they've done nothing but suffer in the last 5 years. You'd think they'd consolidate their holdings and prepare for the next assault just fine, but that didn't happen.

The NCR butts heads. They can’t feign a united front even amongst people who’ve been serving in the region for a decade. The Legion can mostly depend on each other (I think Vulpes gets the fuck out of dodge if Lanius takes over). Crocker gets undermined by Moore. Hsu can’t do dick. Hanlon and the Rangers are effectively being hamstrung by Oliver, Kimbel, and others.

And from what I gather, the Senators and Brahmin Barons back in California are worse, plundering the state for all it's worth, forcing the best soldiers to guard their interests while the soldiers of the rabble get massacred by Roman weeaboos. Crocker is happy when you get the Brotherhood to sign on with them, Moore is furious. Meanwhile, their best tactician became a doomer because he thinks the war is lost.

 

[Snekposter]

It's made pretty clear that losing the dam would likely cause a domino effect that would upend large parts of the NCR system. Even House banks on it, directing ire for losing the dam back to Kimball to cause internal strife while he tightens his grip over Vegas. It probably won't lead to a total collapse of the nation but it won't do them any favors.

Politically, mostly. The NCR has been on an expansionist kick for decades with Kimball being a prior veteran and proponent of that. But either way that's going to end, either after getting kicked out of New Vegas or simply at the Colorado itself. They don't have the means to push across the river into that desolate territory, not with what's left of the Legion doing a scorched earth campaign as they retreat, and the most likely desire from the people back home after hearing that the Dam has been secured is "Good. So, can we deal with the Brotherhood once and for all, finally?" There's no reason for them not to focus on affairs closer to home with the Nevada and Arizona deserts being an insurmountable obstacle for the time being, and further north runs you into the Oregon and Utah mountains which are almost as bad. The juice just won't be worth the squeeze anymore thanks to simple geography.

The fact that they were still fighting with all of those problems against people as ruthless as the Legion is a miracle.

As Caesar says, none of the Legion's cities are anything like New Vegas. And New Vegas, even with Freeside, isn't all that much. Compare it to something like Hub or Shady Sands that has been undergoing slow but steady urbanization before the Vault Dweller showed up, and drastically intensified following the Master's defeat. You can talk with someone who mentions there's more people than jobs unless you feel like shoveling Brahmin shit, and Jas Wilkins mentions there's plenty of work at mills and farms, so the NCR is definitely in the consolidation/industrialization stage of civilization. They've got the cash and the manpower to spare.

People really short-sell just how powerful the NCR is because they don't realize that their only real supply line into New Vegas, the I-15/Long 15, is one of the worst things you can traverse on foot. To get to New Vegas from NCR lands you've got at least one mountain pass several thousand feet above sea level followed by a dip into the southern end of Death Valley at Baker, California. Even with the food supply from the local sharecropper farms and water from Lake Mead easing things there greatly keeping the replacements coming and everyone supplied with ammo and medical supplies from back home is a monumental chore. And on top of that they've started to rebuild the old water and power lines that lead from New Vegas back into California, which would inevitably follow the same route.

Again: the NCR, both the government and private citizens, have the means to operate a massive caravan chain that goes all the way from Los Angeles, through Death Valley, and into New Vegas, and have enough private citizens showing up to keep House and the casinos in business. Keep in mind all of those Service Rifles and all that 5.56mm the NCR issues are built at home in the Gun Runner factories in the Boneyard, not salvage from the ruins of the Old World.

 

[The handsome tard]

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

People really short-sell just how powerful the NCR is because they don't realize that their only real supply line into New Vegas, the I-15/Long 15, is one of the worst things you can traverse on foot.

Not really. The FNV game makes it clear that the NCR is basically nearing collapse, and the only people who aren't suffering are the rich brahmin barons and landowners. The local citizens are being taxed to the bone, conscription brings more troops to die in the Mojave, the caravans aren't protected and are typically ambushed, and criminals like the Fiends and Powder Gangers are operating with impunity while back home, the Brotherhood continues to exist, and places like New Reno are still run by criminals, while the best NCR troops are guarding cattle ranches and the homes of the rich, meaning the local citizens in the NCR are not protected.

That is not a powerful government. That's a government slowly collapsing upon itself. Caesar is right in noting that it won't last, that he's just hastening what is inevitable.

There's a reason why the smartest NCR general turned into a doomer who's essentially a traitor. Hanlon wants the NCR to retreat in good order and preserve its manpower, using it to protect their own lands, not occupying the Mojave where the locals hate them and they're just getting killed like chumps by Legion raiding parties and local criminals.

The only city comparable to New Vegas in the NCR are New Reno and MAYBE Shady Sands, if you squint and pretend. New Reno is flagrantly run by crime families and pornographers, and we don't know if Shady Sands is as sophisticated as New Vegas.

Again: the NCR, both the government and private citizens, have the means to operate a massive caravan chain that goes all the way from Los Angeles, through Death Valley, and into New Vegas, and have enough private citizens showing up to keep House and the casinos in business. Keep in mind all of those Service Rifles and all that 5.56mm the NCR issues are built at home in the Gun Runner factories in the Boneyard, not salvage from the ruins of the Old World.

Yet they're getting ambushed left and right by common gangsters, Legion raiding parties are operating with impunity in places supposed to be under NCR control, and places like New Reno in NCR territory are openly controlled by criminals.

You're also assuming that the Legion doesn't have production capacities for making guns. Which, given that they show up in Hoover Dam rocking brand-new marksman carbines, shotguns, anti-materiel rifles, thermic lances, power fists, and ballistic fists, is obviously false. They're obviously capable of producing weapons as well. They also have private citizens operating caravan routes, and unlike NCR caravans that get ambushed and need private protection, the Legion caravans are safe, the raiders dare not touch them for fear of reprisal.

In my first FNV playthrough, I was playing for House, and I got my head blown off by a Legion sniper with an anti-materiel rifle with one shot. I was wearing Enclave Power Armor at the time, the strongest armor in the game. It goes to show that the Legion can match the NCR's best Rangers in firepower.

Hanlon even notes that not all NCR troops have proper service rifles or armor, showing a major supply shortage among the common NCR troops.

So yeah, the size of the NCR doesn't necessarily translate into strength, whereas the Legion has all the strengths of the NCR without its weaknesses. The only difference is that the Legion is more ruthless, but they can match the NCR pound for pound in terms of firepower, manpower, and logistics.

 

[MajinGoku]

what do you guys think of the old world blues mod for hoi4 and its lore

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

what do you guys think of the old world blues mod for hoi4 and its lore

Honestly I think its the best Hoi4 mod and probably the Best Fallout mod ever, or at least best fallout related mod that has a story. Parts of it still need reworks and we still don't have anything east of the Mississippi after 5 or more years, but its good.

 

[Dave.]

So I've been watching the TV show thanks to a link someone gave me so I don't have to support Amazon or Jeff Bezo's yacht. I came into this with low expectations so unfortunately I'm not going to be as MATI and I've only managed to really get through two episodes because the show I'll be honestis a little boring to sit through and it's not really interesting enough to do a full in depth review of on an episode by episode basis, but...

1. The writing is juvenile and schizo

2. The wall-eyes the female protagonist has are distracting

3. The lead protagonist also cannot fucking act

4. The show also looks nothing like Fallout. It looks like RageTM with a giant fallout sticker slapped on it.

5. I'm getting huge Force Awakens deja vu watching this. That was another movie I didn't like at the time.

6. Why the fuck are Critical Drinker and other anti-woke critics cucking out to this show so hard? Is Bethesda paying them off?

 

[MajinGoku]

Honestly I think its the best Hoi4 mod and probably the Best Fallout mod ever, or at least best fallout related mod that has a story. Parts of it still need reworks and we still don't have anything east of the Mississippi after 5 or more years, but its good.

thats honestly probably for the best a few high quality things is much better than a bunch of low quality trash

 

[ZazietheBeast]

Todd was definitely seething over New Vegas in this series.

Blowing up Shady Sands definitely comes to mind, the Mojave Rangers (or guys dressed like them) gets clowned on by the Ghoul (Cool dude, but still) and Episode 8 is literally Operation Sunburst except in reverse. Instead of the Brotherhood getting its ass kicked by the NCR, its the opposite. And its a funny coincidence that both factions are fighting over a power source. Again.

So its guaranteed that Todd was hate playing New Vegas when he was helping the writing for this show. But it seems he had a soft spot for Raul Tejada at least.

Can't wait to see how Todd adapts Caesar's Legion for the inevitable Nevada adaptation.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

what do you guys think of the old world blues mod for hoi4 and its lore

Pretty good IMO, there's some strangeness in it (not sure why the devs insist on getting Lanius associated with AI waifus) but overall pretty solid. The Enclave mod is pretty good too but I feel most of the effort went into Granite's side.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Lanius associated with AI waifus

wait what? I don't own HoI4 meaning I haven't touched the mod so can you explain this? That just seems really fucking dumb and random.


EDIT: Words

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

wait what? I don't own HoI4 meaning I haven't touched the mod so can you explain this? That just seems really fucking dumb and random.


EDIT: Words

Because they took everything Fallout related but F3/4 and a bunch of dogshit OC donnut steel the mod is stitched together crap. One of the things they added is Van Buren stuff including the ZAX controlled sanctuary for children turned tribals. And you can play as that sanctuary and go full fashi mode and become a robot controlled sister nation to Lanius Controlled Legion.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

Because they took everything Fallout related but F3/4 and a bunch of dogshit OC donnut steel the mod is stitched together crap. One of the things they added is Van Buren stuff including the ZAX controlled sanctuary for children turned tribals. And you can play as that sanctuary and go full fashi mode and become a robot controlled sister nation to Lanius Controlled Legion.

That sounds both really cringe and really hilarious at the same time ngl.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

That sounds both really cringe and really hilarious at the same time ngl.

The stuff around Fallout New Vegas and Van Buren is decent to good. The OC donut steel from Mexico and Broken Coast is somewhere between terrible and forgettable.

 

[Mysterious Autist XX]

The stuff around Fallout New Vegas and Van Buren is decent to good. The OC donut steel from Mexico and Broken Coast is somewhere between terrible and forgettable.

Makes sense, part of me almost wants to get the game to check it out but I think I'll just stick to my actual NV.

 

[MeltyTW]

6. Why the fuck are Critical Drinker and other anti-woke critics cucking out to this show so hard? Is Bethesda paying them off?

you mentioned force awakens, basically enough brain dead retards like fallout 4 and 76 players are propping it up, along with the left who seem to actually like this kind of shit instead of pretending to like they normally do, its an easy way if youre a soulless grifter to get good goy points. ie they can say that theyre not racist because they support this piece of race mixing dei seminar as a show slop just like how force awakens alot of anti types also used people disliking its balatant propaganda to dunk on to prop themselves up. someone posted to me yellowflash saying its woke one video then saying its actually a blow to sjws in another, basically the show managed to genuinely appeal to retards rather than fail to pander to them and they cant do a "go woke go broke" thing and they dont want to explain to their audiences that they dont actually have unilateral power to bankrupt properties.

so i dont think todd really cares enough to pay these faggots i think instead they just got cold feet when they saw the broccoli hairs and danger hairs taking it up en masse. id actually respect them more if they were paid shills theyre somehow more pathetic, they do it for free.

 

[Snekposter]

what do you guys think of the old world blues mod for hoi4 and its lore

Damn great mod. Good fun by itself, and with submods you can rebuild the USA.

And no, I don't mean with the NCR. God bless the USA, and nowhere else!

 

[Montalbane]

The darkest hour mod is decent-ish
Late games it becomes a slog tho
And its age really shows.