Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

It still amazes me that this shit is legal. It's not available here over the counter, but possible to buy through services that let you buy supplements from America. What is even the point of it being legal when there are much safer, effective anti-allergy drugs, like loratadine or cetirizine?
Cetirizine and loratadine are great for long-acting non-sedating antihistamine problems like needing to not snuffle at work during hay fever season. However when someone is having a full-blown allergic reaction, you need to old guard H1 blockers like diphenhydramine and hydroxyzine to put an immediate stop to the antics. And sometimes you do need the sedating effect as well.

I am not a fan of removing useful, cheap, well-studied, effective drugs from the market because some people are idiotic enough to take a whole pack of them mimicking some Youtuber.
 
I fucking wish. Hes too spineless. He will simply seethe until he has an outburst. It happens regularly.
Makes you think how much of the previous big LGBTBBQ+-=% was about attention, don't it? Maybe he'll troon out to get eyes back on him.

Update on my sister: apparently she's dating a 'non binary' guy from, of all fucking places, Louisiana. I also got details about her D&D sesh and it sounds like condensed cringe. Apparently all the characters are couples and regularly have long ass romantic RP sessions. And one character is slowly turning into a dragon because of some reason? I made a joke about it being furry and got told "actually it's a trans allegory".
 
I'm surprised abuse of ketamine was so common, though. I don't think it was among pooners, but trannies in particular would brag about using it to dissociate and get a break from dysphoria for a while, I guess. Mental illness and all. The ones I knew personally didn't do any of that to my knowledge, but it's terribly easy to find posts about it on social media.
Ketamine is the one oddball drug I associate with MtFs since there are too many furry MTFs that do it.
DPH(fucking benadryl) is basically synthetic Datura that will give you brain damage and make you talk to shadow people and any teenager can get it and abuse it.
I hate to say this but for those who thought to seek it out past being a teenager because they thought the horrible experience might be appealing, I believe they were destined for brain damage in some way. It's an inherently stupid move to try and see if you could see the hatman yourself for fun.

still I've had the misfortune of having to interact with a few trains
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Sorry, have to.

I'm glad your sister is getting better. The lucky thing is that you can probably have just as many if not more therapists in your country remain skeptical than those hopping on the troon town train. I suppose she is seeking stability & control in her life coming from your description of her, so I hope she finds it in something constructive. I'm glad you decided to keep with her and help give her a safe space to not troon. Hopefully you and your youngest sister will do alright as well. :semperfidelis:

*Who am I kidding, their "mental health care" is to self-diagnose, rot, and then call results of their own self-destructive choices "ableism".
Being mentally ill online or in a club of young people is fucking annoying and painful because of this. I end up only talking about my mental health here (since Kiwis shit on each other and are allowed to have different opinions and know the destructive nature of mental illness thanks to cows) or IRL to people who I deem mature or chill enough to talk about it to. The later should be standard of course. No every person you encounter needs to know your problems, but if someone I'm friendly with talks about their own mental health issues but is kind of immature or worse, social media poisoned, they don't get to hear about it, I just gently offer advice or something or even ignore them (which i imagine is what you do with the LGB supporters). It's not fucking worth it.

Sorry for derailing, but it's another thing that makes my blood boil about pro-mental health genderonis: their inability to accept that trauma is subjective and essentially may not make sense to everyone. "Get over your trauma of dicks you stupid dyke, it's transphobic!" Trauma is not political, even when it overlaps with political activity.
Always a fine thing to rage at.


Yes, sounds completely batshit, considering that the basis for transgender identity is not falling under cultural expectations of your sex, but I think it long evolved past that.
Someone somewhere in one of the trans threads has the "Autogynophilia is an Addiction" thread a very smart woman wrote on twitter and I wish I knew where it was because you two got it.

I suspect it's another way to make people too retarded to think for themselves and be as gullible as possible.)
I think they don't have bigger plans and are just in it for more money. Maybe some politics might be friends with them because that might end up being a side effect, but 90% of the time some asshole wants an extra 40 Million dollars. Human greed outpaces most world manipulation attempts.


Because otherwise she will throw a tantrum worthy of a two year old, refuse to do anything and be that pissed for days.
Your sister is a nightmare I would not wish on anyone. F.

this ho didn't even "come out" to any of the people she went no contact with and we are still all subject to this crap because she got other family members to communicate this. It only goes one way though, messages won't be passed back. There is not a single troon or enby on earth with a normal adult level of maturity, not a single one.
She is a giant coward who's cowardice will likely bite her in the ass, multiple times. Direct communication is a lot to give up.

Apparently all the characters are couples and regularly have long ass romantic RP sessions. And one character is slowly turning into a dragon because of some reason? I made a joke about it being furry and got told "actually it's a trans allegory".
This is like Tabletop RPG hell. I'm glad she's confined in her autism group, but I sadly know more of her and her friends' type are polluting the waters.
 
Two years since my sister came out as a true and honest man and she's somehow even less happy than ever. But she's successfully terrorized my mom, and sadly me, into 'affirming' her by calling her neutral pronouns. Because otherwise she will throw a tantrum worthy of a two year old, refuse to do anything and be that pissed for days.

That's another fun thing about pooning. What happens when you take a moody, depressed and stubborn person and give them boatloads of test? Fucking roid rage. She's always in a bad mood, unless she's either A) high or B) playing the gayest sounding session of D&D possible with her gay little friends. Everything in both her life and theirs is about how trans and gay they are. Everything.
Oh you got it all. The pooning out, the terrorizing family over pronouns, the ragey child tantrums, constant drug/alcohol use, and even some rainbow people DnD sessions on top of it. I'd say atleast there's some hope of her getting out of this potentially, we can only hope sooner rather than later. Once it's not as trendy anymore hopefully.
Try not to let her antics get to you, don't bother reacting because positive or negative that's what they want tbh. These people are best left ignored. I believe even these people aren't stupid, most of us have a sense when someone doesn't agree with us or is thinking ill of our actions. Even though they deliberately try to turn this off in themselves, ultimately they know people aren't buying their shit.
 
I made a joke about it being furry and got told "actually it's a trans allegory".
Everything becomes the cult, they looks like 2000s era christians, where everything and anything is about God and spreading the Word. It is like a textbook example of a cult. Also, tabletop RPG with furries would not even get that cringe, yeah there is weird shit sometimes because... fetish... but you can tell is that, joke about it, and move on. Really makes you thinkk when furries look like the sane one in comparison.
 
And one character is slowly turning into a dragon because of some reason? I made a joke about it being furry and got told "actually it's a trans allegory".
In Dark Sun someone only starts transforming into a dragon by performing evil sorcery. It involves draining the life essence out of the earth and brutally sacrificing thousands of people. Maybe it is a trans analogy after all lol.
 
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In Dark Sun someone only starts transforming into a dragon by performing evil sorcery. It involves draining the life of the earth and brutally sacrificing thousands of people.
Actually, when people are infected by the trans social contagion, it reminds me a lot of the yellow musk creeper. It was a plant monster way back from 2E that would infect people that breathed in its pollen and then the plant would then draw them in an lodge a bulb in their brains that would infiltrate and take over their nervous system to control them like a mindless puppet to defend the yellow musk creeper. After awhile, a yellow musk "zombie" would wander off and "die" while a new yellow musk creeper would sprout out of its remains.

It seems like the perfect metaphor for the cycle of "hatching eggs" and people being brainwashed into the trans cult.
 
Apologies for the greentext but the story is fucking long and I'm too lazy to write an essay on what is occurring in front of my eyes.

>start new job
>supervisor is related to a coworker
>is this nepotism? Most likely but I don't care
>supervisor eventually lets out before a meeting that she lets her kids watch youtube and cartoons
>her son is apparently so hooked on Peppa Pig that he's developing an English accent
>hold the fuck up
>autism kicks in before I can stop it
>"Wait a minute" I speak
>Coworker related to supervisor looks at me and says "Yes" with a serious look on his face
>it's as if he's trying to say "Yes, it's as bad as it sounds"
>the kids are so unsocialized and the parents are talking to the kids so little that the son is developing an accent that's not our own
>holy fucking shit
>I think for a moment and I still can't stop my autism
>mumble "Talk to your kids"
>meeting eventually starts and we go on with our daily business
>over time supervisor lets out little by little about her fucked parenting
>she put her children in front of sensory videos when they were babies
>she said it was interesting how the kids would eventually react to certain things on the screen
>nigga just interact with your kids you weirdo
>her kids are feral as you can guess
>they scream and are wild
>supervisor tells all of her kids' business and private lives to us
>her daughter is going through middle school
>she now wants to go by he/they and avoid "she" as much as possible
>she doesn't want clothes to show her chest
>she changes her name to a male version of her name
>I hear this and desperately want to tell my supervisor to take a hammer to the internet router
>it's obvious that she's incredibly uncomfortable with her body
>it's obvious she's trying to find some sort of happiness and comfort and thinks things will be better if they go male
>I already know it won't work
>time passes
>daughter now identifies as a furry
>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PULL THAT CHILD OUT OF THE INTERNET
>she's most likely being groomed at this point
>she's most likely trying to figure out ways that give her happiness and they aren't working
>time passes
>supervisor says her daughter is now not doing schoolwork at all
>no shit it's because she's depressed
>talk to your fucking kids
>time passes to the present
>daughter appears to now be in an institute
>from what I can tell she may have tried to kill herself but I'm not sure
>supervisor proceeds to tell more of her business
>daughter had lost her friend group
>she was talking to character ai bots as a way to get socialization and a semblance of friendship
>the supervisor noticed that they couldn't get the daughter off of that site and she was glued to it
>this is why you should have broke the router
>her parents failed her so badly that she's going to have to redo her grade again
>I legit thought that was impossible but apparently it isn't

It's horrifying watching children be raised by the internet. This child is already fucked up and it's all her parents' fault
 
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Apologies for the greentext but the story is fucking long and I'm too lazy to write an essay on what is occurring in front of my eyes.

>start new job
>supervisor is related to a coworker
>is this nepotism? Most likely but I don't care
>supervisor eventually lets out before a meeting that she lets her kids watch youtube and cartoons
>her son is apparently so hooked on Peppa Pig that he's developing an English accent
>hold the fuck up
>autism kicks in before I can stop it
>"Wait a minute" I speak
>Coworker related to supervisor says looks at me and says "Yes" with a serious look on his face
>it's as if he's trying to say "Yes, it's as bad as it sounds"
>the kids are so unsocialized and the parents are talking to the kids so little that the son is developing an accent that's not our own
>holy fucking shit
>I think for a moment and I still can't stop my autism
>mumble "Talk to your kids"
>meeting eventually starts and we go on with our daily business
>over time supervisor lets out little by little about her fucked parenting
>she put her children in front of sensory videos when they were babies
>she said it was interesting how the kids would eventually react to certain things on the screen
>nigga just interact with your kids you weirdo
>her kids are feral as you can guess
>they scream and are wild
>supervisor tells all of her kids' business and private lives to us
>her daughter is going through middle school
>she now wants to go by he/they and avoid "she" as much as possible
>she doesn't want clothes to show her chest
>she changes her name to a male version of her name
>I hear this and desperately want to tell my supervisor to take a hammer to the internet router
>it's obvious that she's incredibly uncomfortable with her body
>it's obvious she's trying to find some sort of happiness and comfort and thinks things will be better if they go male
>I already know it won't work
>time passes
>daughter now identifies as a furry
>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PULL THAT CHILD OUT OF THE INTERNET
>she's most likely being groomed at this point
>she's most likely trying to figure out ways that give her happiness and they aren't working
>time passes
>supervisor says her daughter is now not doing schoolwork at all
>no shit it's because she's depressed
>talk to your fucking kids
>time passes to the present
>daughter appears to now be in an institute
>from what I can tell she may have tried to kill herself but I'm not sure
>supervisor proceeds to tell more of her business
>daughter had lost her friend group
>she was talking to character ai bots as a way to get socialization and a semblance of friendship
>the supervisor noticed that they couldn't the daughter off of that site and she was glued to it
>this is why you should have broke the router
>her parents failed her so badly that she's going to have to redo her grade again
>I legit thought that was impossible but apparently it isn't

It's horrifying watching children be raised by the internet. This child is already fucked up and it's all her parents' fault
I’m not even against letting kids on the internet, but how is this not considered child abuse? At least when mother’s revolving door of boyfriends beat the shit out of her kids, the kids are still getting some form of social interaction.
 
Well, here's a whitepill since we've had some mondo depression

One of my friends, was clearly always fucking weird, I think he was autistic, but unlike your garden variety autist he was too socially cognizant and competent. No homo, but guy was definitely the type of a lot of women, and he would give off all the right signs by accident. That worked until late highschool, then suddenly the veil lifted and he was just a weirdo that everyone knew was weird.

Anyway, he came out as nonbinary and got shipped off to a ranch by his conservative father in high school, immediately. I don't know how the guy sold it, but basically it was a "trans experience camp" that involved no internet and hard labor. Most of which working with animals.

At this point it's half red flags and half green ones, but we had access to him for about 30 minutes a week, which quickly became a vent session. You see, he was surrounded by trannies. The staff weren't, the staff were normal, trained, clinical psychs. But his peers, were fucking nutterbutters. And here are the tales.

A TIM tranny stroked a cows udder for about a minute before yanking on the utter and getting wall pressed. This is in front of everyone.

A TIF horse girl basically returned to horse girl out of frustration and suspicion that some of the others were bronies.


A TIM was fucking with some kind of spitting ungulate, took a faceful of spit, and had a screaming fit. (This was the point the guy said he realized everyone there were faggots)
A tranny got bullied by sheep. By. Sheep.

Tranny headbutted a billygoat and got knocked on his ass. Kicked the goat , fucked up his foot, goat just having fun.

By the end the group had split into two groups. Ex Trannies and Trannies. Thankfully my friend was on the normal side, but I won't lie I had a massive smile on my face listening to the utter nuts he had experienced in his controlled TRANCH simulation.
 
Minor life fuel:
After sperging out a little about my brother on Facebook, calling him a he/my brother in several instances, I have lost 0 Facebook friends. I am not one to poast on there especially (so it stood out) but literally nobody said anything about my apparent troonphobia, or even quietly left. Maybe the tide is turning, after all.
 
First, I want to say thank you to the people that have sent me messages of support or wanting to know how my wife and/or me are doing. I really appreciate it.

(Also, apologies for long and maybe crude, I have to do this on mobile when I’m very much laptop millennial and it makes editing typos/organizing thoughts an ass for me)

Still going day to day, as usual. The last couple weeks were getting really rough despite her having fewer night terrors because I realized that she was starting to physically pull away from me. While we’re both autistic, we’ve always been able to do things like the little touching here and there that couples can do with each other. Our biggest one is me rubbing or massaging the back of her neck when I pass by her desk while she’s at it. In the past couple weeks, she began literally recoiling from me when I would do it. She excused it as just being overstimulated while recovering from sleep deprivation. Okay, I can get that. It’s happened to me. I let it be for a couple days. Then she kept doing it, then refusing to watch things with me (or refusing to snuggle the seldom times we did sit down to watch stuff), or really wanting to interact with me unless it was another nightmare where she would wake up screaming and asking if I’m okay.

This upset me to the point where I finally asked her why the shun treatment.

“I don’t know how to think of you anymore,” she answered. “I mean, you said that you’re a fascist!”

Uh. Hold up. I never said anything of the like. And considering my politics are best described as center left (mostly because of trannies, ironically), this confused and upset me.

Asked her for clarification. She brought up a post her MTF “friend” had reblogged that I told her a couple weeks back had particularly concerned me. It more or less stated that if someone, even a LGB person, questioned a tranny for even valid reasons, that they’re a fascist. I remember saying that a tranny really will find any reason to question them a reason to deem someone a fascist, and by me questioning that very post that by logic that MTF “friend” would accuse me of being a fascist. Translation: MTF "friend" may be fun while talking about [fandom] but if you don't ass kiss he may chimp out or try to ruin you. I'd feel like walking on eggshells dealing with him now knowing that was his general attitude.

Somehow she got it into her head that I wasn’t telling her how bullshit and toxic that thinking is, but rather that I had came out as über far right. She was essentially giving me the cold shoulder because she was extremely confused why I was just… acting like myself, despite allegedly claiming that I was a fascist. Despite being openly troubled over the election or the rise of the far right in Europe. I was gobsmacked. It was like seeing my dad freaking out and thinking the family dog was a bear, only my dad was dying from brain cancer at the time and barely had a grasp on reality at that point. In my wife’s case, her brain was scrambled, but from sleep deprivation and toxic bullshit.

I should note that my wife is not only autistic, but English also isn’t her first language. She usually speaks very good English save for some pronunciation errors, and we can usually understand each other no problem. I can see her having harder time understanding me saying something this “deep” while highly emotional, so maybe that didn’t help me make my case.

That being said, I had to call her out that despite knowing me for ten years, she was still buying more into what some random tranny said than her own wife from her own words and actions. Also pointed out to her that she had started acting out really badly ever since going to the gender clinic, like she had really internalized that she was indeed incompetent like the quacks had told her. I compared it to when I used to frequent the autism/neurodivergent groups on Tumblr. Even with questioning a lot of the stupider mentalities, I had started regressing into more anxious, childish behavior. Had to leave that part of the site to “get better.” She had to had surely noticed that she felt like shit or drank more after reading that shit, surely? Was it really worth fucking everything up? It wasn't just me she was hurting.

It seems that she took it to heart, because she looked horrified at what she had done or what I said. Her eyes were wide for a good minute before she apologized profusely for the misunderstanding and her recent behavior. I suppose she knew deep down, especially if she was still asking if I was okay after the occasional nightmare (or buying me popcorn she’d think I’d like). They say actions are louder than words, but sometimes the opposite is true, I guess. Didn't help on my part because after the fight we had about that, she started having severe sleep deprivation and I other medical problems that made it difficult to reconcile sooner. Still a good example of how autism can really fuck with someone’s perception sometimes and how troonery preys on that if so many troons claim autism.

Now that I’ve cleared the air that no, honey, I did not hide being a fascist for as long as you apparently thought I would've, she’s been more openly affectionate with me. Not 100%, but we are able to talk, hang out, snuggle while watching things together, etc. Most normal we’ve been in weeks. It's more normal by the day right now. I don’t know if I “peaked” her, per se (although I have noticed subtle things like her othering trans people from the LGB when referencing them or LGBT vs simply using "queer"). I feel more hopeful again at the moment. That was brutal. Day by day.
 
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Well, here's a whitepill since we've had some mondo depression

One of my friends, was clearly always fucking weird, I think he was autistic, but unlike your garden variety autist he was too socially cognizant and competent. No homo, but guy was definitely the type of a lot of women, and he would give off all the right signs by accident. That worked until late highschool, then suddenly the veil lifted and he was just a weirdo that everyone knew was weird.

Anyway, he came out as nonbinary and got shipped off to a ranch by his conservative father in high school, immediately. I don't know how the guy sold it, but basically it was a "trans experience camp" that involved no internet and hard labor. Most of which working with animals.

At this point it's half red flags and half green ones, but we had access to him for about 30 minutes a week, which quickly became a vent session. You see, he was surrounded by trannies. The staff weren't, the staff were normal, trained, clinical psychs. But his peers, were fucking nutterbutters. And here are the tales.

A TIM tranny stroked a cows udder for about a minute before yanking on the utter and getting wall pressed. This is in front of everyone.

A TIF horse girl basically returned to horse girl out of frustration and suspicion that some of the others were bronies.


A TIM was fucking with some kind of spitting ungulate, took a faceful of spit, and had a screaming fit. (This was the point the guy said he realized everyone there were faggots)
A tranny got bullied by sheep. By. Sheep.

Tranny headbutted a billygoat and got knocked on his ass. Kicked the goat , fucked up his foot, goat just having fun.


By the end the group had split into two groups. Ex Trannies and Trannies. Thankfully my friend was on the normal side, but I won't lie I had a massive smile on my face listening to the utter nuts he had experienced in his controlled TRANCH simulation.
That's it, I'm opening a ranch to bully trannies
 
I’m not even against letting kids on the internet, but how is this not considered child abuse? At least when mother’s revolving door of boyfriends beat the shit out of her kids, the kids are still getting some form of social interaction.
In my opinion, it's at least child neglect but since they're being fed and clothed and there's a roof over their head, the agencies won't do anything.

I also don't mind children using the internet but there's so much fucked shit on it that you should always supervise your kid. For example, I followed a guy that had two daughters and one kid said that they wanted to watch the YouTube video of elmo "with the blood".

Immediately after that, because they're real parents, the guy and his wife decided that the kids can only watch YouTube with at least one of them watching it with them.
 
Everything becomes the cult, they looks like 2000s era christians, where everything and anything is about God and spreading the Word. It is like a textbook example of a cult. Also, tabletop RPG with furries would not even get that cringe, yeah there is weird shit sometimes because... fetish... but you can tell is that, joke about it, and move on. Really makes you thinkk when furries look like the sane one in comparison.
A lot of these weirdos are furries, though, is the thing. That's what she says, at least.
Oh you got it all. The pooning out, the terrorizing family over pronouns, the ragey child tantrums, constant drug/alcohol use, and even some rainbow people DnD sessions on top of it. I'd say atleast there's some hope of her getting out of this potentially, we can only hope sooner rather than later. Once it's not as trendy anymore hopefully.
Try not to let her antics get to you, don't bother reacting because positive or negative that's what they want tbh. These people are best left ignored. I believe even these people aren't stupid, most of us have a sense when someone doesn't agree with us or is thinking ill of our actions. Even though they deliberately try to turn this off in themselves, ultimately they know people aren't buying their shit.
Sadly I think my sister is in it for the long haul, but I can dream. She was really normal, if tomboyish, before she fell in with a group of tumblrettes in highschool. And since my sister is a follower she let that change her entire life. She insisted she was totally for real bi for like a decade despite her only ever showing interest in men.
@AMHOLIO
This is like Tabletop RPG hell. I'm glad she's confined in her autism group, but I sadly know more of her and her friends' type are polluting the waters.
Oh yeah, I know. I've been into TTRPGs for like a decade and seen just how badly pozzed shit has gotten. For my sister's group of freaks I blame a lot of it on Critical Role.

I had a friend, british kid. He was pretty normal until he started chilling in far lefty TTRPG groups. Powered by the apocalypse stuff. Now he's a trans communist upper class supervillain, as he describes himself.
 
It more or less stated that if someone, even a LGB person, questioned a tranny for even valid reasons, that they’re a fascist. I remember saying that a tranny really will find any reason to question them a reason to deem someone a fascist, and by me questioning that very post that by logic that MTF “friend” would accuse me of being a fascist.
This is unironically religious thought.
"Don't question the priest class", "Doubt is a sin", "Someone who doubts is a heretic"!
 
I had a hallucinogen phase in college. LSD, shrooms, DMT, salvia, whatever.

I think the most crucial thing that they show you is how malleable your perception of reality is. Some take that information and show skepticism going forward for the rest of their lives, knowing that their thoughts and feelings are fleeting and sensory based. Some take that information and think that they have been shown some inalienable truth, and now the world is clear to them, and they know exactly what they need to.

In this sense, whatever preconceived notions about their identity can be confirmed by what is literally a hallucination. And interestingly enough, given the light psychedelic effects of cannabis, and given that every tranny I know is a pothead... it sure makes me think.
when i met the DMT entities I told them to go fuck themselves and they weren't real
 
Minor life fuel:
After sperging out a little about my brother on Facebook, calling him a he/my brother in several instances, I have lost 0 Facebook friends. I am not one to poast on there especially (so it stood out) but literally nobody said anything about my apparent troonphobia, or even quietly left. Maybe the tide is turning, after all.
People are sick of this bullshit and tired of hearing about trannies. They’re parasites on society in a more obvious and annoying way than the tiny hats are and there is a great deal of overlap. The idea of chopping off your genitals to be a permanent medical patient is insanity and anyone of sound mind knows it isn’t the way. Trannies are always a sign of a sick and depraved society.
 
People are sick of this bullshit and tired of hearing about trannies. They’re parasites on society in a more obvious and annoying way than the tiny hats are and there is a great deal of overlap. The idea of chopping off your genitals to be a permanent medical patient is insanity and anyone of sound mind knows it isn’t the way. Trannies are always a sign of a sick and depraved society.

I have stated in another post that troons are overrepresented in online spaces like discord or reddit and normies and Boomers on facebook will have little tolerance for gender
 
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