Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[jspit2.0]

A serious question although I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, has anyone read EVS' Cyberfrog and if so, are they way better than the crap that Marvel and DC are currently producing?

Read the first one. It's a C on the writing, a B on art. Over drawn at some pages, stiff on other, with some cheat pages that in a book of it's dollar point isn't really defensible. My take at lease.

It's hard to compare because Cyberfrog is, if compared to a normal creative, literally an issue a year. That's crazy slow and over the time frame you have Hickman Ultimate Spidey, Johns Three Jokers, Gordon-Murphy White Knight etc. There's also been great foreign titles like the Cimmerian.

Cyborfrog isn't even the best CG book.

 

[Pippa's Greasy KB]

Oh, no - the Trashman says he's going to stop Trashcasting! He says people like them, but "it's torment" for him. And guess what? He was always just the victim of YellowFlash, he never started anything. Poor Ethan. The retardation of the people he was covering forced him to rage like a gay sperg.

His level of cope and denial is at Rekieta levels. EVS isn't throwing in the towel, because he's made a complete fool of himself. His triple-digit IQ won't allow him to keep grift streaming. Yeah, just keep telling yourself that.

https://twitter.com/IngloriousStra2/status/1785076288694423943/video/2

How's his supechat money looking? Is it dropping?

 

[deskgum]

The fact he lost the privilege to make Earthworm Jim comics after being explicitly told "don't be inflammatory" by the IP holders a few years back probably has done him no favors since he can't coast off of EWJ anymore.

Wasn't there also something as part of the agreement where he had to sign away some sort of rights or maybe any further royalties from the use of the character by the IP holders? That's sort of gotta stink to lose every piece of your most famous and beloved character, but he probably figures he squeezed it for all it's worth and moved on.

As an aisde, I've mentioned here before how Cyberfrog Bloodhoney and Earthworm Jim #1 are pretty much the same exact story. It was always hilarious when EVS would crap on EWJ's story. I always wondered if he even realized but I doubt it. It seems like if he hates the guy, he hates the book.

 

[KissMyTaint]

Cyborfrog isn't even the best CG book.

May I ask, in your opinion, what is the "best" CG book?

 

[FedPostalService]

Wasn't there also something as part of the agreement where he had to sign away some sort of rights or maybe any further royalties from the use of the character by the IP holders? That's sort of gotta stink to lose every piece of your most famous and beloved character, but he probably figures he squeezed it for all it's worth and moved on.

As an aisde, I've mentioned here before how Cyberfrog Bloodhoney and Earthworm Jim #1 are pretty much the same exact story. It was always hilarious when EVS would crap on EWJ's story. I always wondered if he even realized but I doubt it. It seems like if he hates the guy, he hates the book.

I’ve never understood the “Eric July’s book are mid” criticism.

The vast majority of comics are mid in history the history of the medium. In the current climate a bog standard hero’s journey with a generic villain may as well be high art.

Not everything can be The Darl Knight Returns or Watchmen, and Comicsgste clearly hasn’t produced anything approaching that level either.

 

[Grumpus]

Oh, no - the Trashman says he's going to stop Trashcasting! He says people like them, but "it's torment" for him. And guess what? He was always just the victim of YellowFlash, he never started anything. Poor Ethan. The retardation of the people he was covering forced him to rage like a gay sperg.

His level of cope and denial is at Rekieta levels. EVS isn't throwing in the towel, because he's made a complete fool of himself. His triple-digit IQ won't allow him to keep grift streaming. Yeah, just keep telling yourself that.

https://twitter.com/IngloriousStra2/status/1785076288694423943/video/2

What the fuck is his problem with yellow flash? From what I've seen, EVS claimed that YF was exploiting a comics artists, turns out he wasn't, but EVS can't update himself and just repeats it on loop?

I feel I'm missing something here? Or is @FROG just being the retard we know him to be?

 

[deskgum]

What the fuck is his problem with yellow flash? From what I've seen, EVS claimed that YF was exploiting a comics artists, turns out he wasn't, but EVS can't update himself and just repeats it on loop?

I feel I'm missing something here? Or is @FROG just being the retard we know him to be?

EVS was going to do a cover for Yellowflash's book. The amount he charged was higher than Yellowflash was expecting with them being "friends" and all, and he publicly called out EVS , mentioned the rate in the process, and generally had the attitude of "well I guess we weren't really friends then" (paraphrasing). That pissed EVS off and he was going on about how in business you don't reveal things like that - also saying it was fair and what he charges friends. I don't know if he charged other people less but probably sometimes, depending on who it was.

That's what turned EVS against YF though. All the other stuff like with YF not paying some artist up front was just in service of reinforcing his already established hate. Plus maybe a little bit of defending the Comicsgate model of crowdfunding (getting all of the money up front) thrown in.

 

[Kela de Thaym]

I’ve never understood the “Eric July’s book are mid” criticism.

The vast majority of comics are mid in history the history of the medium. In the current climate a bog standard hero’s journey with a generic villain may as well be high art.

Not everything can be The Darl Knight Returns or Watchmen, and Comicsgste clearly hasn’t produced anything approaching that level either.

The vast majority of comics are mid to forgettable. Everyone thinks they’re going to make the next DKR/Watchmen without realizing that those books were products of their time and the culture of those times influenced those books, which is what lead to them being as timeless and profound as they are. Comicsgate’s reactionary “anti-woke” books will only ever be remembered as laughable slop best used for /co/‘s annual Storytime of Pain that runs alongside SDCC.

Even comics like Walking Dead would have been otherwise forgotten had it not had a TV series. And to an extent the TWD comic is largely a footnote compared to the TV show empire that AMC built off the back of Robert Kirkman.

July’s works may have started out as “anti-woke” reactionary content that won’t hold up over time, but I have to give the man respect for sticking to his guns and getting out product he promised as on time as humanly possible, treating it as a legitimate business instead of a grift.

That he’s managed to completely send EVS off the deep end by not bending the knee to him and making him look bad is a plus. July can keep putting out all the mid-tier comics on time he wants if it continues to make EVS squeal like an impotent rage pig IMO.

 

[SargonF00t]

Not everything can be The Darl Knight Returns or Watchmen, and Comicsgste clearly hasn’t produced anything approaching that level either.

With what creators are charging and with how long they are taking, it is not unreasonable to expect Dark Knight or Watchmen quality, or why bother buying them?

Dark Knight and Watchmen cost fuck all too(obviously because of the different distribution model)

 

[Fascist Kirk]

Wasn't there also something as part of the agreement where he had to sign away some sort of rights or maybe any further royalties from the use of the character by the IP holders? That's sort of gotta stink to lose every piece of your most famous and beloved character, but he probably figures he squeezed it for all it's worth and moved on.

As an aisde, I've mentioned here before how Cyberfrog Bloodhoney and Earthworm Jim #1 are pretty much the same exact story. It was always hilarious when EVS would crap on EWJ's story. I always wondered if he even realized but I doubt it. It seems like if he hates the guy, he hates the book.

If Doug needed, or wanted to make comics he Has his Bigfoot Bill Ip %100 control. But why when he makes 10's of thousands of dollars a month grifting to Qtards on you tube? Doug is even better than Reethan at you tubing that has to Sting @FROG.

 

[jspit2.0]

May I ask, in your opinion, what is the "best" CG book?

It depends on what you define as CG.

Right off the bat, the Shi return of the warrior books are better than Cyberfrog.

But all these books are ridiculous to some extent on price point when CG began. Even if you have a hidden gem, remember these books are often padded so your overpaying and forced to take on allot of unwanted (to be unkind junk). The original Graveyard shift by Jon Malin? It's the size of two comics for 25 dollars (12$ a comic basically) at its core. Some of them will try to 'pad' the book with basically unknown artists/fan pages/or otherwise unrelated material. Same with the first Jawbreakers. 48 pages of the actual book with a bunch of padding.

To give you a current day counter example? Matt Wagner (Grendel) is teaming up with CG adjacent? Kelley Jones on a Dracula Book with 112 pages (94! of them story/art) in a hardcover for 45 dollars. That's more than double the length of GS etc, in a HC comic (you can get it digitally for 10 bucks).

So yeah, there are better CG books. I'd point to Tucci or someone else over EVS.

I’ve never understood the “Eric July’s book are mid” criticism.

What don't you understand? The writing is subpar, the art isn't ready for the price tag? Is it just you aren't a comics reader and don't know these things? If so plenty of people have written/spoken at length explaining why his work is middling, being generous, and subpar.

The vast majority of comics are mid in history the history of the medium.

That's...very broad and ill phrased? What does most comics mean? Are we talking every comics strip in human history?

I'm talking about comics. In the modern era beginning in 1981ish to present day. And no, most comics during that time period are not 'mid' in the sense of lacking some basic competency in draftsmanship.

In the current climate a bog standard hero’s journey with a generic villain may as well be high art.

No. Only if your point of comparison is literally Kate Leth and Matthew Rosenberg. Black rap dude is not worth mentioning except his e-nemies are people farmers don't like. It's a really bad habit to overpraise or defend people.

Not everything can be The Darl Knight Returns or Watchmen

Dark Knight? and no. But if you read comics on a monthly basis you'd know that we got great comics in those days every month sometimes 9 to 10 comics a week of similar quality.

and Comicsgste clearly hasn’t produced anything approaching that level either.

Okay....now I'm curious. Have you read a fair number of CG books and are we talking about comparative quality (ie art/writing) or price per value?

Because fuck no. Even if I don't like him, I acknowledge EVS artwork is better than ISOM 1. Is it so much better it took him half a decade to draw? No.

 

[VoidW]

It depends on what you define as CG.

Right off the bat, the Shi return of the warrior books are better than Cyberfrog.

But all these books are ridiculous to some extent on price point when CG began. Even if you have a hidden gem, remember these books are often padded so your overpaying and forced to take on allot of unwanted (to be unkind junk). The original Graveyard shift by Jon Malin? It's the size of two comics for 25 dollars (12$ a comic basically) at its core. Some of them will try to 'pad' the book with basically unknown artists/fan pages/or otherwise unrelated material. Same with the first Jawbreakers. 48 pages of the actual book with a bunch of padding.

To give you a current day counter example? Matt Wagner (Grendel) is teaming up with CG adjacent? Kelley Jones on a Dracula Book with 112 pages (94! of them story/art) in a hardcover for 45 dollars. That's more than double the length of GS etc, in a HC comic (you can get it digitally for 10 bucks).

So yeah, there are better CG books. I'd point to Tucci or someone else over EVS.

Have you tried any of Shane Davis CG books? I tried Cyberfrog but couldn't see what the fuss was about, it was over-inked and felt suffocating, thanks for the recommendation of Tucci, I always see him in streams and think he's a class act but havent read the original Shi comics.

 

[Train Operator]

EVS was going to do a cover for Yellowflash's book. The amount he charged was higher than Yellowflash was expecting with them being "friends" and all, and he publicly called out EVS , mentioned the rate in the process, and generally had the attitude of "well I guess we weren't really friends then" (paraphrasing). That pissed EVS off and he was going on about how in business you don't reveal things like that

there would a lot less drama in this gay sphere if everyone involved stopped acting like tards. imagine knowing any of these people in real life and having to deal with their bullshit every day irl.

Have you read a fair number of CG books

to be fair most people who have bought CG books haven't read them. culture war books aren't meant to be read, the only reason most people buy them is because the youtuber they've formed a parasocial relationship with tells them to or to "OwN ThE LiBs"

 

[FedPostalService]

With what creators are charging and with how long they are taking, it is not unreasonable to expect Dark Knight or Watchmen quality, or why bother buying them?

Dark Knight and Watchmen cost fuck all too(obviously because of the different distribution model)

It’s been pointed out in this thread by someone I keep forgetting (sorry to that person) that in some cases it’s taking longer for CG to produce one comic that it took Michelangelo to paint the Sistine Chapel.

 

[jspit2.0]

Have you tried any of Shane Davis CG books?

Not his CG stuff. I was never a huge fan to begin with .

I tried Cyberfrog but couldn't see what the fuss was about, it was over-inked and felt suffocating.

That's more EVS style. He's got that Image style over substance approached.

thanks for the recommendation of Tucci, I always see him in streams and think he's a class act but havent read the original Shi comics.

It's not Shakespeare, but the original Shi WoW had praise from Chris Claremont and Stan Sakai for a reason.

Shi, or OG Shi, was a book that was a meditation on the intersection of Western Christianity and Japanese bushido?

All that's to say, it's got some more depth to it than the average CG book with artwork that isn't terrible. Now, Return of the warrior is nowhere near the Crusade years in the 90s. But just fyi.

That's one of the few good things to come from crowdfunding is some comics that were good but underperformed have gotten a new life and we're seeing new collections. part of why I'm so salty about people abusing or grifting crowdfunding.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

It’s been pointed out in this thread by someone I keep forgetting (sorry to that person) that in some cases it’s taking longer for CG to produce one comic that it took Michelangelo to paint the Sistine Chapel.

Talking of which, the last time I posted an update here, Dan Fraga had reached around 1,400 days since opening his Pineapple perception comic campaign.

IIRC, I posted that in early/mid February 2024.

Also IIRC, the campaign opened on April 25th 2020 and was designated ‘in-demand’ June 2020. Fulfilment (again, IIRC) was supposed to be September 2021.

So if all my IIRC are indeed, correct, then a day 1 backer of Fraga’s comic has been waiting approximately 1,473 days for their book (just over 4 years of course)

Off the top of my head, as well as the (in)famous and oft-quoted CG Sistine Chapel comparison, Fraga’s comic is now taking longer than:

- The construction period of 5 of the 7 World Trade Centre buildings; also perilously close to surpassing the construction periods for WTC 1 and WTC 2;

- Construction of the Eiffel Tower (a mere 2+ years);

- The design, tender AND construction of the Empire State Building (altogether 2&1/2 to 3 years depending on source);

- ‘The Last Supper’, another famous religious fresco this time by Leonardo, for the Santa Maria in Milan - admittedly a fraction of the size of the Sistine’s fresco - 3 years according to scholars.

The fucking utter shame upon these grifting scumcunts.

(*apologies for the multiple estimates in the post, not able to access my older posts for some reason right now)

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Talking of which, the last time I posted an update here, Dan Fraga had reached around 1,400 days since opening his Pineapple perception comic.

IIRC, I posted that in early/mid February 2024.

Also IIRC, the campaign opened on April 25th 2020 and was designated ‘in-demand’ June 2020. Fulfilment (again, IIRC) was supposed to be September 2021.

So if all my IIRC are indeed, correct, then a day 1 backer of Fraga’s comic has been waiting approximately 1,473 days for their book (just over 4 years of course)

Off the top of my head, as well as the (in)famous and oft-quoted CG Sistine Chapel comparison, Fraga’s comic is now taking longer than:

- The construction period of 5 of the 7 World Trade Centre buildings; also perilously close to surpassing the construction periods for WTC 1 and WTC 2;

- Construction of the Eiffel Tower (a mere 2+ years);

- The design, tender AND construction of the Empire State Building (altogether 2&1/2 to 3 years depending on source);

- ‘The Last Supper’, another famous religious fresco this time by Leonardo, for the Santa Maria in Milan - admittedly a fraction of the size of the Sistine’s fresco - 3 years according to scholars.

The fucking utter shame upon these grifting scumcunts.

(*apologies for the multiple estimates in the post, not able to access my older posts for some reason right now)

First satellite in orbit: 1957
First man in space: 1961
First man to orbit the Earth: 1962

 

[Stupor Mario]

What the fuck is his problem with yellow flash? From what I've seen, EVS claimed that YF was exploiting a comics artists, turns out he wasn't, but EVS can't update himself and just repeats it on loop?

I feel I'm missing something here? Or is @FROG just being the retard we know him to be?

EVS was going to do a cover for Yellowflash's book. The amount he charged was higher than Yellowflash was expecting with them being "friends" and all, and he publicly called out EVS , mentioned the rate in the process, and generally had the attitude of "well I guess we weren't really friends then" (paraphrasing). That pissed EVS off and he was going on about how in business you don't reveal things like that - also saying it was fair and what he charges friends. I don't know if he charged other people less but probably sometimes, depending on who it was.

Deskgum is on the right track. Yellowflash was getting pissy in public about EVS' cover price, which was admittedly dumb. EVS' response, however was an attempt at the total jihad annihilation of YF and EJ.

If EVS would have just complained about YF making their business dealings public, he might have the right to claim victimhood. But everything EVS did in response like trying to get YF cancelled for the payment agreement YF had with his artist (100% none of EVS' business), and weeks of Trashcasting makes his claim of innocent victim laughable. YF looked like a tard for his whining, but EVS has burned so many bridges and driven away quite a sizeable number of audience members and customers with his response.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

First satellite in orbit: 1957
First man in space: 1961
First man to orbit the Earth: 1962

Fraga’s obviously aiming for the stars.

 

[Kela de Thaym]

Billy Tucci always seemed like a pretty genial and down to Earth sort, I haven't ever come across a truly bad thing anyone had to say about him during the years I was active in the broader comics community. Why he decided to hitch his wagon to EVS and CG in all of its sliminess for I'll never know, chalk it up to boomer'ing I guess.