Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[melty]

Cynthia you really need to work on your writing. At least 3/4 of your essay is the same shit over and over. ..I'm half tempted to edit it down to show you but I think I would really regret using my time in such a way.

 

[Malady Twigs]

I'm sorry, but why was I mentioned?

WBL, you wanted us away from your life and far from your thread, and I did exactly that. Out of consideration for you. I've been ignoring activity here for the past how-long it's been.

I can't be arsed to read that tl;dr text of wall you posted. I only saw my name there, and something about me offering 150 dollars for a minute of animation, which I can only assume I've said as a dumb joke to tease you, because I can barely hold a pencil, let alone animate. I know nothing of that industry, so it was most likely a joke.

What I really want to know is, why are you posting again? Clearly you don't want us to contribute to anything you produce, or want us as your audience, so why resurrect a thread that was pretty much dead?

 

[Dynamite Ninja]

I wasn't going to post here again. But @voiceguy posted here again with my permission at least. He just wanted to make clear a few things for his own defense and so I let him. I also really appreciate how he has been sticking up for me a lot. I had expected him to, of course. And he made a lot of valid points about me and him and what we do. And I also appreciate NobleGreyHorse for making a defense for both me and @voiceguy. I always know I can trust her and @voiceguy agrees with me she is among the best people around here.

I just hope this will be the last post I end up making on here for good. Because I need to just make a few things clear. I am still just using IClone animation not so much because I want to (although I do enjoy working in it and I know I am great as an artist with it) but also because I can't help needing to use it for my first movies in my franchise. I am so embarrassed, and indignant, and angry with the ones of you who had been nagging me to try to hire a professional animator and I posted a call for such on Guru.com. Only to be confirmed in exactly what I was always trying to tell all of you the whole time. It turned out absolutely all professional animators (whether 3d, 2d, or even flash animation) charge monumentally high prices that I could never meet with at all.

Even @Malady Twigs "super discount price" of $150 per minute still would still amount to around $10,000 for a two hour minute film (how long the final script is turning out to be). And to meet this, the lowest price to come by (according to a reliable source of a Facebook page dedicated to professional animators) would still take me a total of 10 to 12 years of nothing but saving for. You said you thought I shouldn't "put the cart before the horse" but yet you actually made me do that very sort of thing by your own encouragment. One animator who I talked to who lives in America asked me where I live and when I said I also live in America he said he asked because he was wondeirng because of my lack of understanding and knowledge of how expensive professional animation really is if I was living in Australia. No matter how happy or eager any of those animators would have been to have helped me they never will because I shouldn't hire someone I can't pay.

Therefore all I can do is just stick with the virtual movie making program I have always used known as IClone for my whole movie series and that's that. And just hope that it will still generate a fan base for me that may be the start of working up to getting to bigger and better movies and maybe even a major movie production someday.

The fact is unless the any of you on here can actually direct me to an actual production studio that can and is willing to finance either a major movie production for me or at least pay for high quality CGI animation for me (because I can never do so on my own at all) and I very much doubt if you can, then you all should not voice any opinion on me whatsoever anymore and leave me be.

I WANT a major movie production someday and actually have live actors with it, kids and all. That was why it hurt when I couldn't cast Robbie Lynne Hargrove as Sylvie because my movie doesn't involve anything to do with a studio. In checking my past emails from her grandmother I figured out she hadn't found me through my KidsCasting posting even though she contacted me the day I put it up, but through my Linkned profile and just made a few assumptions based on a little bit of information there and assumed maybe WogglebugLove Productions was some sort of major production company and I maybe had a major movie in the works that she was looking around for her 7-year-old granddaughter to star in to make her dream of being an onscreen actress come true. If only I could have such now and not before Robbie is too old to be Sylvie.

Now, as for you new guys, @Galvatron and @DatBepisTho. I see you are Oz fans. And I decided I need to let you know a few things about what I think of your own favorite characters. The Wogglebug is better than the Scarecrow, and not the other way around. The Wogglebug is not a "just more annoying version of the Scarecrow." No way! I'd say that role goes to Jack Pumpkinhead really. And the Scarecrow is actually an idiot and not to mention a stuffed shirt. Because for one thing he's basically just a lifesize version of an old rag doll from Kansas which Princess Dorothy (a.k.a. the Royal Mary-Sue/Virgin Mary of Oz) loves and looks to as a combination of the real world life she left behind there to never see again and also the husband she will never have because she came to Oz to stop growing and always be a child and an immortal princess. Which makes her as inferior as can be to the girls in my movies who look to the Wogglebug for guidance and just travel back and forth between the two worlds to grow up in both of them and inspire the other.

The Wogglebug is so much better than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman combined.

The Wogglebug has a real heart and a real brain. His are so much more human overall also because of this fact alone. They are not artificial but actually function in much the same if maybe just slightly different ways that humans do also. Furthermore the wisdom and knowledge he has came from an actual education given to him by an actual scholar who wanted him to become the best he could be because he had humanlike intelligence that came directly from him also.

The Wogglebug has a much better and child-friendly, and relatable backstory for how he came to be who he is. He was created by Professor Nowitall for a grand purpose and a great plan..He was genetically engineered from creatures of nature and from the professor's own human DNA to create a being that is meant to resolve the conflict between human nature and nature itself in an overall positive way.He is a true one of a kind that was selected by destiny and fate and Professor Nowitall to be in his schoolhouse to become thoroughly educated by him and to then become highly magnified and step off of the screen (literally and metaphorically) into the open world to succeed at his destiny. But Oz failed the plan. The Wogglebug didn't fail Oz, the place failed him and his creator's plan. Professor Nowitall just hadn't foreseen that the Wogglebug would get involved with the wrong kind of people along the way.

The Scarecrow is a scary thing because he is not something that should even be alive at all. The Tin Woodman is even scarier because according to his origins he is not someone who should not be alive but is technically actually a dead brained human spirit that happens to be encased inside of an evilly possessed tin body.

Also because obviously the Scarecrow saw the Wogglebug as one who was better and smarter than him and just thought he had the right to try to take power of the Wogglebug's existence in the disguise that he was a friend of his when he was not, and the Tin Woodman being the Scarecrow's best man went right along gladly in trying to dupe the Wogglebug into thinking he was a problem as he was thinking "No one makes a fool of the Scarecrow, except the Scarecrow." While the Scarecrow stands by and thinks "Nick Chopper is my best mate as no opposer to my throne, or my superior brains for that matter, stands a chance against his kind heart or his sharp axe alive!"

And the Tin Woodman/Nick Chopper/Emperor of the Winkies (it should be King of the Winkies since the Winkie Country is only a kingdom) is really nightmarish, psychotic, psycopathic, hardheeaded asshole who is just prone to heart failures because of his lost humanity. His backstory of being dismembered one body part at a time is not at all appropriate for a childrens story or even something for all ages, it belongs solely in a horror film. I'm willing to bet he tried out to become one of the new villains on the Batman Animated Series show of the early 90s but was rejected because he would have brought too much gore and violence to an animated show that the producers wanted at least for early teenagers and up to enjoy. And if you don't believe me then consider this fact, there was actually a villain on the show known as the Scarecrow already! So at least one of them had been cast.

And the gruesome backstory Nick Chopper has is like something from medieval Tales From the Crypt and is downright inappropriate and most likely why the MGM movie (like most Oz films) neglect it even in mentioning. In one anime movie series of four books of the series from the 80s (the first two movies were almost completely faithful to the books but then began straying more and more from their sources). The Wogglebug wasn't included at all. And in the film based on the first book Nick Chopper did tell his backstory and we saw a flashback of just simply him as a human man cuddling next to his fiance and then he just suddenly turned into a man made of metal right before her eyes and just got up and walked away from her with a cold look on his face and she of course just dropped to the ground sobbing. It was so sad! But in being true to the book series he never went back to her and just went off to become the ruler of the Winkies living alone in his castle being too in love with himself to love anyone anymore. And in being true to the book also when the Wizard (who never returns) puts a heart into his chest he says "I hope the Tin Man is easy to fool as the Scarecrow was!" and then he goes in the movie after the next to brag that he lets his heart be his guide because it is a "a special one given to me by the great wizard of Oz and so it is never wrong!" And I couldn't stop shaking my head in disgust by the things he did in following it such as his battle with the growlywog monster. And a point made can be that if he had anywhere near the intelligence of the Wogglebug that it would not have taken him over ten books and two attempted endings of the series to remember WHY he wanted a heart in the first place.

And if you think that both the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman are not devoid of any false and foolish pride of their own that is a far worse thing than the Wogglebug could ever have even if he tried to, then consider this statement from a review on Amazon that may not be own but from a girl called Lika Laruku who reviews the Oz series as a whole (she rated it 5 stars). And said these things on the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman:

"When the Scarecrow wanted a brain, he wasn't as stupid as he thought he was, but when he got a brain, he wasn't nearly as smart as he claimed to be; indeed he managed to be simultaneously intuitive & dense with an undeservedly high opinion of himself. Nick Chopper a.k.a. Tin Woodsman always claimed that he had no heart & therefore no emotions, apparently not smart enough to figure out that emotions come from the brain. Once he gets his placebo swag of a heart & is asked to become king of the Winkies, he shows his immense ego. Nick LOVES bling, riches, statues & paintings of himself, replacing natural fauna with metal, plating himself in chrome & having his men polish him several times a day, bragging about how much stuff he has. The only thing he likes as much as himself is Scarecrow, & he really, REALLY likes Scarecrow."

It overall sounds to me like the Oz fans are insisting it is okay for everyone to believe what the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman claim about themselves is the truth and they can be beloved for them, and all their flaws also. But the Wogglebug should be only ever treated in the opposite way, per the say so of the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman. I think that is just wrong. And I have come to understand over the years, with confirmation lately direct from the source, that the college the Wogglebug runs of his own is not at all any need for Oz, it's just a prison for him to just "keep him busy and keep him out of everyone's hair" and without him even understanding about ANY of that. But it really just seems to me that guys like the Scarecrow, and Tin Woodman, and the Wizard want the Wogglebug kept out of the way ONLY because they realize he IS their superior and can prove it and thus prove them incorrect and inconsistent in their own foolish pride of their own abilities. If only they would let him. So therefore they are enemies to him if only just because they see him as an enemy to them only because of the folly of their own false pride.

And the truth is actually that @voiceguy is correct in that he tried to do the opposite of what I said but it ended up working in reverse because of all the facts I mentioned in the above paragraph and all the ones I explained in messages from before. The plot I thought of for the book I wrote, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" was actually inspired by him encouraging me to write a story about how the Wogglebug had been drastically transformed into his polar opposite and then was transformed back again. But the plot I actually wrote of was the polar opposite of what he had been encouraging me to write and I didn't tell him what I was going to actually write until after I brought the complete manuscript to him to read after it was published. The deal was I basically just prefer NOT to be kissing the asses of the Oz fans favorite characters but to be instead kicking them because of my love for the Wogglebug.

In my novels I have decided to get across my theory that the Wogglebug never had anything wrong with him in his inception and he was just around the wrong the people, in the wrong place, and in the wrong situations. I postulate how Oz (according to the original book series) is a nightmarish distopia vaguely disguised as a happy magic land, because it condemns everything that makes the Wogglebug the kind of hero he is. My aim is to convey in my novels this truth: The Wogglebug is fantasy reflection of the Wizard (Oscar Diggs) and he represents all of his better qualities in the same sense as the Wizard and Wogglebug are reflections of Baum and the Wizard is the lesser reflection and the Wogglebug is the better one.

@voiceguy shouldn't have ever not understood I need to convey that the Wogglebug had nothing wrong with him the whole time and that it was his so called "friends" who were true enemies to him all along who were responsible for the "curse" that came over him. And that my love for him is BASED on that and that is based likewise on my strong desire to give him his own fandom that has nothing to do with them and theirs and I love him so much I want to make it so he has no memory of that bad previous life. He is better than them and as such he deserves and needs better than them. He should have a fandom all his own that claims superiority over the Oz fandom because of the previous sentence alone that is why I design my new universe and storyline of his new life for him as I have.

He's lately been more agreeing with me after I explained some more about the plot points of my future novels to him and I want to actually get him to agree with me as much as possible. And I'm glad my former publisher was hurt by how I just left him and his followers on the statement that I wanted no friendship with him or any of his community, never did, and that the whole of being brought into it was all a terrible mistake that shouldn't have ever happened. If he actually really thought someone like me could ever get along with any of their lot any better than I just said then he deserves to have me punch him so brutally he will never get out of his wheelchair even if he ever could have. I will not take any of those words back.

You know why?

Because this is the SAME attitude the Oz fans show towards the Wogglebug all the time.

And so now my attitude toward them and their favorite characters makes us as good as even, so that we don't owe each other nothing and can just go our separate ways from each other forever. Being two separate fandoms that are competing against each other and wanting to get outsiders to choose one or the other. That is the way things are and should be always. If you must pick your battles and the ones you can win then I pick this battle with the Oz fandom and I shall fight to the death before anything else and I feel I can win.

The Oz fans ain't got no feelings worth giving any shit for. The more I offend them and make them feel their own cherished views of their favorite characters have been severely scarred and tainted the more I am happy with myself. All I want is for them to feel the same way about me mocking and belittling their own favorite characters for their origins and them personally at the same time that Don Reynolds had made me feel when he did it to my own. Especially because I cannot seem to make Don Reynolds the least bit sorry no matter what and so I can at least make him sorry because of all the other Oz fans reactions if not for his own. That is why at the end of my novels series I am having these things happen:

The Wogglebug and the Frogman and Terry find proof that the Wizard is a power-mad con-artist and a villain even if he doesn't think he is and no one else does. And find the Scarecrow was always cursed with idiocy before he brought to life by accident with paint mixed with the powder of life (he is not soul of a dead Oriental Emperor which I will have him jump to the conclusion of like Brad Watson has about being the second coming of Christ who never even came to begin with, and have the Wogglebug debunk him by finding out just what I said and that Emperor Chang Wang Woe was a fictional character actually). And that Nick Chopper had never really been a very good-hearted man in his "human" years even and that Nimmee Aimee never loved him anymore than he ever loved her. And that his heart contains a demon in it that the wizard put into it that came from himself when he practiced magic on him he didn't understand about when he wasn't even a real wizard (the same thing happened with the Scarecrow) and then only after does Terry throw the Truth Pond water onto him that he understands all that she and the Wogglebug and Frogman were telling him and the Scarecrow and he ultimately kills himself in front of his whole Winkie Kingdom. I also point out how Dorothy has ceased to be anything like who she used to be for the worst because in Oz she is little more than a living China Doll Princess and not like a real human girl like Terry Hayman certainly is and I use points that Baum himself put in his own works. And I have the Wogglebug declare that Ozma had been a fraud of a good ruler to have let all that happen and not even let him intervene. And he ultimately at the end just stands in front of all those characters and tells them off before turning his back on them and slamming the door and locking it and then leaving Oz to go to Genoma to have Professor Nowitall thrust rebirth on him and give him a better life than the one he already had.

Now here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyone kicks their legs they feel NOTHING, but if his are kicked he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as being as much of a person as any human could ever have the right to be. The fact is that he is a FAR superior and better and more ideal role model for this day and age and especially for young people than the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman could ever dream to be (even if they could dream but can't since they can't sleep and have no mind's eye neither of course! Which are also things the Wogglebug has and which make him a better role model than them). The Wogglebug has feelings and needs both physically and emotionally and mentally also in ways that need to be cared for in the way of an actual human (and a bit deeper in some ways) which make him an ideal role model to teach about what real love is. Which is how I plan to do in my own fandom of a series of movies starring him away from Oz like he was never in Oz to begin with and there will be no Oz characters around him whatsoever and no characters like them (that is artificial beings that are not really meant to be alive but are and don't have intelligence and the ability to respect a superior worth crap, as I do not think the world the Wogglebug will now live in should allow those kinds of beings to come into being by their laws and so it will be a better place than Oz and not just for him but also a better place to gain wisdom from relatable to the real world.

The deal is this: Professor Nowitall (who is obviously a scholar, scientist, and inventor) is the creator as much as the educator of the Wogglebug. He had a reason as to why he created the wogglebugs as human-insect hybrids in a biology experiment, and a reason why he chose one to educate, and then a reason why he magnified it with the intention of it keeping its size and living among the human world. There was all a grand purpose for all of it. While Professor Nowitall created the Wogglebug in Oz and his origins all took place there, Professor Nowitall had a grand plan for him that never came into effect because Oz stopped allowing logic and reason for solutions and lost its natural aging aNow here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is. You know it's true because the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Jack are not creatures even meant to be living let alone have any dignity or hearts and brains to call their own. Who cares about their feelings? They haven't any worth caring about if they even have any at all which would be contrary to logic of course. The Wogglebug, unlike them, is a creature MEANT to be living and meant to be respected and cared for as just such, and especially so in his highly magnified state when he is thoroughly educated. He is capable of being hurt when they are not. If anyonehurts them they feel NOTHING, but if he is hurt he suffers extremely because he is very sensitive and fragile also. He also has a real heart and brain (not artificial) and attained the things that make him all he is in respectable and honest and praise-worthy ways. He was given real education from a well reputed scholar (and not a fake wizard) in the natural and honest way. He has a right to be as big as he is and be respected as b

Yes, indeed. I am just going to leave Oz in something of a state of devastation like I said. @voiceguy made me feel I NEED to do exactly that at the end of my series in order to keep with the original plan for the movie series taking place in Genoma just the way I always wanted it and was never going to change. Since he seems sure I cannot have two separate series in one and the other. And if I can only have one I want to have just the Genoma series. Like I said the Oz-related stories were supposed to be originally just online fanfiction to not be published or shared among the Oz fans at all to begin with and were always in an alternate universe. Now that I have published I want to clear up the false advertising done by Chris Dulabone as much as possible by telling the truth as I see it from now on, and declare I am NO teamplayer to the Oz community and darn proud of it. I mean, would anyone who was just a Wogglebug fan and not an Oz fan ever even think of any of the things I just outlined for the ending of my series?

The bottom line is Oz does not want the Wogglebug to belong to ts history and he shouldn't want to belong to it, either. If it ain't the fandom to be thinking as highly as I do about his origins and about him also then it just ain't the fandom for him, or for me either. I know I've said this before but I can't stress it enough. And some have stated plainly and more than once that they outright hate the Wogglebug and wishe he was never in the series to begin with. But what I would ultimately rather do is boomerang this attitude right back into such people's faces and make the statement that not only is the Wogglebug also better off without Oz but he deserves his own awesome fandom to himself like he wasn't in Oz to begin with and, since they stress they want to not see the Wogglebug in any movie series adaption to the Oz series if the day ever comes, then he shall have his OWN movie series that doesn't involve Oz or its characters and be better off without them altogether. Becoming the star he was always destined to be from the start.

Oz fans don't want him to belong to Oz history because of what they think of him as and can't see beyond the most narrow and negative of stereotypes concerning him. They only just "accept" him as such because Ozma "considers" him of "value" because of his vast knowledge of how history is or something. But she is a good-for-nothing FRAUD compared to what I can do for him with my Genoma series and fandom that is meant to actually make him a star for the making of history of new universe and Genoma in the storyline I've designed with respect for him. And Ozma (and Dorothy) will look so worthlessly pathetic and unhelpful to him and his life's journey in comparison to Sylvie, a girl who crosses borders from our world to Genoma and literally grows up with him and how he inspires her and she inspires him also along the way.

If Baum is doing "rollovers" in his grave right now it is because he probably deserves it because like I said before he never should have put him in Oz to begin with, especially after he even broke all his promises to him for a life filled with respect and recognition at the end just after the Wizard came back. He always should have put him in a separate book not Oz-related. And, not that I am religious, but I am helping him rest in peace by doing better with something he created for good purposes to begin with and separating it from Oz which is its own fandom that the MGM movie (and other versions such as The Wiz) have done their share of bettering also. And righting some wrongs that no Oz fan would care to.

And if any of you Kiwis and / or Oz fans were hurt by any of the above and I am still unfazed by any of the things you've said or done about me and my own fandom that is in the Wogglebug's favor, then I have as good as proven me and the Wogglebug are better than you and your favorite characters whether you like it or not. I am happy to give you all nightmares for the future. You don't have to be nice to me and I don't have to be nice to you at all, neither. I'll go so far as to say I believe if I wanted to be nice to the Oz fans at now of all times I would really be not meant to live my dreams and would be as weak and worthless and good for nothing as the same people who are so obsessed with the Oz series that they believe if they want to they make it real and go there when they die. The Wogglebug's own fandom shall destroy the illusion of Oz being a happy place and tear asunder all the previously believed to be good things about it.

And if this is anyone's question about: Can I just be like who they want me to be like? The Answer will always be a resounding NO!

 

[Roast Chicken]

Well done on wasting your precious time writing that essay Cynthia, it was completely in vain.

 

[CasualObserver]

Hi. First off, I want to apologize for any formatting mistakes here. I'm not very tech savvy, so we'll see what happens! Also, apologies for the long post. TL;DR, I disagree with a few things.

Anyway...I'm probably wasting my time, but I just want to point out a few things. There's nothing wrong with loving or hating a fictional character. We all do it, to some extent. This is coming from an Oz fan who does not, in fact, love everything about Oz. Even my favorite characters have some traits I don't particularly like. But we're talking about the Wogglebug, am I right? Okay.

It overall sounds to me like the Oz fans are insisting it is okay for everyone to believe what the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman claim about themselves is the truth and they can be beloved for them, and all their flaws also. But the Wogglebug should be only ever treated in the opposite way, per the say so of the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman.

I remember the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman showing some mild annoyance with him, but I don't remember them being cruel to him. I admit, it's been years since I read the books, but I would have thought something like that would stand out. I do remember the Scarecrow arguing about the existence of a 'mind's eye', and being a bit rude about it, but cruel? No. Can you cite an example? One that didn't take place in your own stories? If I missed it, and if I can find it when I look it up, I'll concede this one.

At any rate, saying that all Oz fans hate the Wogglebug is inaccurate, and so is your insistence that all of us think that the other characters are flawless. Tin Woodman's treatment of Nimmie Amee was abominable, but I put that down to the writer simply forgetting about that detail as he expanded his world, which, like it or not, birthed the Wogglebug. And as much as I like the Wogglebug, he is a bit pompous, prone to pontification, and unintentionally rude. Can you really blame the guy? His only exposure to social norms was in a classroom. He got a bit of a rude awakening when he left it and found that not everyone enjoyed being bluntly told that they were wrong. He never had a chance to learn tact. Annoying? Sometimes, yes! Does this Oz fan hate him? No.

And I'm glad my former publisher was hurt by how I just left him and his followers on the statement that I wanted no friendship with him or any of his community, never did, and that the whole of being brought into it was all a terrible mistake that shouldn't have ever happened. If he actually really thought someone like me could ever get along with any of their lot any better than I just said then he deserves to have me punch him so brutally he will never get out of his wheelchair even if he ever could have. I will not take any of those words back.

You know why?

Because this is the SAME attitude the Oz fans show towards the Wogglebug all the time.

This Oz fan doesn't. And it doesn't particularly bother me that you hate me simply because I am an Oz fan, regardless of the fact that I never did a single thing to you. It baffles me more than anything else, but that's your choice. What I find really disturbing is how vocal you are about wanting to harm someone. Did you know that you could be arrested for that kind of thing if you phrased it a certain way?

And he ultimately at the end just stands in front of all those characters and tells them off before turning his back on them and slamming the door and locking it and then leaving Oz to go to Genoma to have Professor Nowitall thrust rebirth on him and give him a better life than the one he already had.

All this after the Tin Woodman commits suicide? Baum's Wogglebug was never that cruel! It's your story, you can write it however you please, but if it deals with things like suicide and vengeful speeches, then gearing it towards kids might be a mistake.

Now here's the facts: The Wogglebug truly is far better and superior in every way to the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman and Wizard and he has a perfect right to totally act like it, and talk like it, and be it and no matter how at their expense it is.

How is that representative of a kind and caring character? Yes, he deserves more respect than he gets, but you do want people to view him in a positive light, I take it? If I knew nothing about Oz, and if I was 'flying blind' while reading all that you described...I'm sorry, but that seems like what you were saying about the Scarecrow and the Tin Woodman. That we're supposed to believe the Wogglebug is kind and cultured, just because he says so. This has him saying one thing but showing something else. And I am not bashing the Wogglebug here. I'm simply pointing out something I noticed in the plans you have for him.

Look...I'm not telling you how to write your books or your movies. But I will echo what others have said here. Pushing away a pretty big fanbase, one from which your central character originated, is not going to paint you in a very good light. I know you don't care about what people think, but from a business standpoint, that's bad. You're shooting yourself in the foot. I hope, for your sake, that I'm wrong.

 

[Sanic]

Wogglebug and Jesus would totally be bffs irl.

 

[WogglebugLover]

@Picklechu I feel at least obligated to address a dozen of the new replies to my post and answer some of the questions.

@Ubiquitous my post was so long because a lot of what I wrote was kept bottled inside of me for so long and so that just happens when that happens.

@Malady Twigs as I said I was not planning to post again. But I was just so stressed and upset about @Galvatron actually having the nerve to think he could suggest I come back and start being nicer than I ever was. Because the fact is I can't be and would rather not be. And I just want to make that clear that I'm not even going to act nicely around here especially not with. Oz fans now here as well. The temptation to make that known was too overwhelming before long. And thanks at least for clarifying that you weren't serious about what you suggested from before.

I actually thought @Bugaboo was not at all serious when she offered to do some illustrations for me for free years ago, which was exactly why I never responded for so long. It seems like I never really know when most of you are being serious or when you're just teasing me with spite.

@patchwork and @AnOminous, If you'll recall, I'm not just doing one movie but a series of 10 or more of them (and at least twice as many short films) and if I can at least spend ten years or more making them with IClone and if somewhere along the way or afterward something bigger and better comes along because I followed my dreams it will be worth it. And if I can by the time I am in my 60's as @voiceguy is and my mother is also and have succeeded by then at fulfilling my dream in at least a way that gives a start for something more to come later, and I have reason to be proud of it and it has made people happy in my targeted audience, I will have done a greater accomplishment than my own mother ever did in her life. Especially because she doesn't even know what a computer even is, let alone how to use one, or how to make a movie on one.

And while I cannot predict the future neither can you either. And I can only do my best. But I do have an audience of more than 3 people besides myself and there will be more than 10 people actually seeing the film as I already have 20 people anticipating the film completion and me and @voiceguy are going to do more promoting of it elsewhere at places I decide on and we are think of strategic plans of how to do so in the right ways.

@HickoryDickory, if in the event you are suggesting I do no movies of my own to at least get my own visions out there, and instead just do books and have some minor or major production company at random buy the rights from me to have some screenwriter totally unknown to me write my own screenplay and bastardize my visions without my consent you are such an asshole to me. Especially because that is exactly what my mother demanded I do because she had false conceptions and presumptions I was wanting to become the next J.K. Rowling because of the Harry Potter series when they first came out. Which was never what my dream was, as I'd had this same dream of being a moviemaker for this exact project ever since I was 12 years old. And the deal is most of the time studios just buy your source material in order to be able to legally steal it from you and a court case won't even do much good about it. Look up the tragic tales of what happened with Michael Ende with The Neverending Story and Roald Dahl with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to know what I mean. And also when I queried Amazon Studios about a web series and asked that since I couldn't do the animation if I could at least still be the writer with the episodes based on my picture books they replied that there was "no guarantee" as to what MY role would remain in the series if they were to BUY it from me. So then they became not even worth trying, at least not now.

And although I have been considering completing my series of six novels (there's 3 done and three more to do) and putting picture books out before I get to seriously selling and promoting my movies, there still remains the problem with the picture books. I am still in debt with my picture books artist for books I no longer want in the franchise. And he made it clear that until I've paid off the debt he won't do anymore books, change the pictures (which will cost even more), or allow me to hire another artist to copy the design he does of the Wogglebug for books that start out in the right place and in the right order. This will at best take years to straighten out. Hopefully I'll move to a cheaper apartment next year. I thought I would this year but all the places looked at turned out to not meet my requirements after all.

@Galvatron as for your question of what I think of Skottie Young's depiction of the Wogglebug's design in the Marvel comics adaptions of the first 6 Oz novels. I'm sure Skottie Young's style was appropriate for these versions of the books, but his style does not meet my fancy. What meets my fancy is Richard Walsh's design of him and that is why I have based the latest and final avatar of him for my movies and this must stay the way it is somehow or another. Though Skottie Young's is in no way the worst image I've seen of the character. That credit goes to the second book in the "Lost in Oz" trilogy by Joshua Patrick Dudley who is movie maker of horror flicks he distributes via the internet and so the trilogy he did and his pride in it makes him worthy of having his name on here more than I ever could. If I only hadn't got involved with the Oz community at all. His image of the Wogglebug is the stuff horror films are made of and makes the avatar I used before I even found Richard Walsh look as cute and cuddly as Walsh's by comparison. How any of you can ever see the image of JPD's as being equal to Walsh's is way beyond my comprehension and always will be.

Though I admit different designs sometimes are called for different versions of the same things, but can still be done with respect. I mean after all, Bill Bryan the artist who illustrated the Oz and Dark Oz comics from Caliber of the 90's (a long running success by the way) by Stuart Kerr and Ralph Griffith, explained his design of the Wogglebug like this: "I couldn't draw the Wogglebug using the original designs from the Baum book. He would have been more reminiscent of a Disney or Fleisher character from the 40's. He had to look like a warrior bug from The New Gods, I thought, since these are meant to be heroes in a sword and sorcery setting." So there you have it from the artist himself, who I think was a genius and had his work cut out for him actually. And interestingly, Bill Bryan wrote and illustrated the Wogglebug special of Dark Oz who in it was portrayed in a way that has long inspired my writing.

When I approached Richard Walsh after I had a good feeling about him from seeing his sample art from past projects he's done for others, I gave him Neil's original illustration of the Wogglebug and told him to work in his own vision to "make it look exactly like this in a unique and original way with the design of a character that anyone child or adult could easily feel the urge to hug." And he delivered better beyond any of my expectations on the first try actually!

@DatBepisTho I am aware of the scare factor in kids media, especially in most older Disney movies. Which is why my movies are going to be as G rated as possible with more consistency than them. And the things you brought up about the original Oz book alone having the elements you described in it and many more are most likely why the MGM version (and nearly all film versions) have chosen to omit them from the narrative. And the deal was that if MGM could do so well with the characters and story in the first book on their own, then why can't I do my best to do something similar for the Wogglebug in his OWN movie that doe NOT involve Oz but does better with both his tale of origin and himself to give the emotional reach and connection and impact that the best of movies of today have. And I think I am accomplishing this well actually.

And the deal with his Oz fandom situation is just that he was a victim of being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and getting involved with the wrong kind of people. And he may have become Ozma's tutor, but still Ozma always played favorites with the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman so much more, and then Oscar Diggs returned and she just let him take the Wogglebug's place as her right-hand man and allowed the Wogglebug to be kept locked up and drugged inside his college that Oz fans typically agree is there just to keep him out of the way. By the Wizard's orders, of course and the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman gladly stand guard at it. The Wogglebug could otherwise do all the things he does in my trilogy to find out the Wizard is the truest villain of Oz, and that he practiced magic he didn't understand and put demons into the Scarecrow's brain and Tin Woodman's heart and is not wanting to have to admit he did such wrongs as he is letting power go to his head and is a mad, conniving control-freak who wants to make Oz so magical it is inhospitable for the kind of people and the kind of things the Wogglebug represents and is all about and that is a BAD thing indeed.

And I do indeed have to say that Ozma was in all honesty a good-for-nothing fraud when it came to giving the Wogglebug things he needed and or really desired, just like the Wizard was a good-for-nothing fraud at giving the three dudes in the first book what they wanted (which is again why so many film versions do something different with this bit). She especially was in comparison to what I plan to do for him in my movie series. He will have everything he he ever wanted in Oz but never obtained, and much more also and better than if he could have got it in Oz anyway.

And as for what you said about the Wogglebug's voice sounding like that of a mosquito's. Well, I recall your favorite character the Tin Woodman himself saying this about them in Oz according to the text of the The Emerald City of Oz the 6th book: "We have some very large mosquitoes in Oz which sing as beautifully as songbirds. They never bite or annoy our people because they are kept well-fed and cared for. The reason why they bite the people in your world is because they are hungry. Poor things!"

The Wogglebug to me sings as beautifully as a songbird, which is why the voice is staying the same for my movies and in each movie he sings at least four songs me and @voiceguy write. And he never bites or annoys the good characters of the movies, especially because he is indeed kept well-fed (by this I mean much loved) and cared for in his true home with true friends and family. And if you still don't like the voice, just realize I don't make these movies for the Oz fandom but for my own and so I am not interested in receiving feedback from Oz fans on what he should or shouldn't sound like. When I described how he should sound to @voiceguy it was: "He sounds young, happy, friendly, charming, lively, warm, intelligent, and refined. And most importantly he sounds like an insect because that is what he is and so I imagine his voice to be chirpy like a cricket or a cicada." He gave me three voices to choose from and it was the one in the middle that was the right one. The first had been too deep and humanlike (the fault of nearly every other voice for him in Oz media I've ever heard), and the third one was too high and squeaky. But the one in the middle was PERFECT and even better than I could have ever hoped for. And at the time I was starting from scratch with no clear direction, or as @voiceguy would say "lost in the ether without a map" but then the Wogglebug's voice guided me to directions to the path of a potential success in what I have to work with for now at least.

@Taargus I am not quite sure I remember you, or know what you mean by your words. But yes, in a way my love for the Wogglebug has only grown since I've been away. And I am planning to try to have the first movie completed in time to send out the first 20 or so copies of the DVD for Christmas this year, but none of the Kiwi's are on the list and never will be. I feel great denying you all any right to view my magnum opus because it is not at all what you were expecting for it to be. That is, it is a fantastic fantasy and family-friendly film in every detail. The Wogglebug is three-dimensional but lovable and he and Sylvie have an adventure learning from each other on their journey through the Enchanted Forest. Sylvie is an almost perfect combination of Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and Lucy from the Narnia Chronicles, according to the words of praise of a new script reviewer, and the film itself is like one that crosses the themes with the first Oz and Narnia books also. And there's no sex, nudity, drugs, gore, deaths, violence, profanity, or even really particularly scary scenes or music. And because I take it the latter things are what most of you wanted and expected and not the former things I won't let you see the film and will not release to Amazon because although if you were to give at least honest negative reviews I wouldn't mind, but I don't trust the majority of you to not tell lies about the film and about who I am and what I am about on its Amazon reviews page solely just to drive away the targeted audience. With at least my way of distributing I can reach the right people as much as I want without fear. And either way besides, people won't buy copies without me advertising in some way or another. I want to say I succeeded in spite of the Kiwis and not because of them. That's the deal here.

And to address @sikotik, it may actually just be that the cart is still being built and the horse is still a colt at best.

@NobleGreyHorse and @CasualObserver I will speak with you both individually on more personal levels about the things you brought up in private on here. Especially @CasualObserver because I think I know who you may be. But I don't mean that in a bad way just so you know.

 

[Rabbit Bones]

And there's no sex, nudity, drugs, gore, deaths, violence, profanity, or even really particularly scary scenes or music.

So it's boring as fuck, is what you're saying.

 

[Roast Chicken]

my mother is also and have succeeded by then at fulfilling my dream in at least a way that gives a start for something more to come later, and I have reason to be proud of it and it has made people happy in my targeted audience, I will have done a greater accomplishment than my own mother ever did in her life. Especially because she doesn't even know what a computer even is, let alone how to use one, or how to make a movie on one.

I don't know what your mother did to warrant such vitriol but I'm pretty sure she's the reason you're not wandering the streets, rambling incoherently to passing strangers about talking cockroaches.

Especially because that is exactly what my mother demanded I do because she had false conceptions and presumptions I was wanting to become the next J.K. Rowling because of the Harry Potter series when they first came out.

You mean you're not trying to become the next Rowling? I thought you said you wanted to build a franchise off of this bug.

The Wogglebug to me sings as beautifully as a songbird,

Gag.

When I described how he should sound to @voiceguy it was: "He sounds young, happy, friendly, charming, lively, warm, intelligent, and refined. And most importantly he sounds like an insect because that is what he is and so I imagine his voice to be chirpy like a cricket or a cicada."

I think two adjectives wouldn've been fine.

Wogglebug and Jesus would totally be bffs irl.

No, even Jesus doesn't deserve to be graced with the presence of the perfect, friendly, charming, intelligent and innocent Wogglebug! He'd probably end up taking advantage of his good nature and hurting his feelings like all those bitches in Oz.

 

[Picklechu]

So, does the Wogglebug eat garbage and rotting wood like other roaches? What kind of gross diseases does he carry?

 

[Golly]

And I'm glad my former publisher was hurt by how I just left him and his followers on the statement that I wanted no friendship with him or any of his community, never did, and that the whole of being brought into it was all a terrible mistake that shouldn't have ever happened. If he actually really thought someone like me could ever get along with any of their lot any better than I just said then he deserves to have me punch him so brutally he will never get out of his wheelchair even if he ever could have. I will not take any of those words back.

What a cruel thing to say. This isn't the kind of sentiment that an aspiring children's author should be sharing.

And so now my attitude toward them and their favorite characters makes us as good as even, so that we don't owe each other nothing and can just go our separate ways from each other forever. Being two separate fandoms that are competing against each other and wanting to get outsiders to choose one or the other. That is the way things are and should be always.

Everyone keeps telling you this, but people who get divisive about fandoms are a minority. Oz fans would be curious to learn about your take on the Wogglebug, just as superhero fans are curious about new comics and split universes. Edit: To be fair, not all takes on superheroes are universally loved, but that's for the fans to choose, and ultimately, they'd still like to give new things a chance if they really love a given franchise.

They only just "accept" him as such because Ozma "considers" him of "value" because of his vast knowledge of how history is or something. But she is a good-for-nothing FRAUD compared to what I can do for him with my Genoma series and fandom that is meant to actually make him a star for the making of history of new universe and Genoma in the storyline I've designed with respect for him.

This is like getting outrageously protective of Robin due to him not always being Batman's sidekick and is therefore, in your eyes, unappreciated. Then, you conclude the only way for fans of Batman to truly respect him for the badass character you know him to be is to write a comic. So you make one where Batman and Batgirl kill themselves (poetic justice) and Robin moves to a new city where he is redefined as this grimdark birdman whose catchphrase is now just "Holy shit", as you know it was always intended to be.

I'm not really arguing the creative process here. You tell your story. The rage and indignation behind what amounts to nothing but fiction is just too much, though.

 

[AnOminous]

@patchwork and @AnOminous, If you'll recall, I'm not just doing one movie but a series of 10 or more of them (and at least twice as many short films)

Lol not gonna happen.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Spoiler: This thread's theme song:

 

[patchwork]

If you'll recall, I'm not just doing one movie but a series of 10 or more of them (and at least twice as many short films) and if I can at least spend ten years or more making them with IClone and if somewhere along the way or afterward something bigger and better comes along because I followed my dreams it will be worth it. And if I can by the time I am in my 60's as @voiceguy is and my mother is also and have succeeded by then at fulfilling my dream in at least a way that gives a start for something more to come later, and I have reason to be proud of it and it has made people happy in my targeted audience, I will have done a greater accomplishment than my own mother ever did in her life. Especially because she doesn't even know what a computer even is, let alone how to use one, or how to make a movie on one.

And while I cannot predict the future neither can you either. And I can only do my best. But I do have an audience of more than 3 people besides myself and there will be more than 10 people actually seeing the film as I already have 20 people anticipating the film completion and me and @voiceguy are going to do more promoting of it elsewhere at places I decide on and we are think of strategic plans of how to do so in the right ways.

Is less than 100 people per film really worth it? That's not even a drop in the water for the Oz fans-- actually wait wow @voiceguy is in his 60s? ...Is he gonna live long enough for all of that?
Either way that's still a lot of money for 30 animated works (you're still paying @voiceguy for star role in basically everything, remember, and he's not even going to be the only VA) and you'll want to make the cost back per work. Have you decided the "ticket cost" for the initial film yet?

 

[Cubanodun]

10 films and you can't even pay for one, jajaja

just forget it

 

[WogglebugLover]

I'll try to make this the last post from me here. As I said I was planning on not coming back at all but it was just that after @Galvatron had the nerve to think to tell @voiceguy to tell me to "uncheck my pride" about anything especially when it comes to this subject and people like most of you here, I ended up feeling too great a desire to make sure all here would know that is an absurd thing to want or expect me to do whether you like it or not. To the point where it was causing stagnation in my progress of getting much done. I want you all to know none of you here are good enough to decide on how I should be getting along with anyone without my consent. Now for my responses to a few posts:

@Ubiquitous First of all about my mother. You don't know her and my life story. The fact is that if she had only done the right thing and gave me up for foster care when I was baby, or gave me homeschooling if not from the beginning at least after seventh grade, and most of all, if she had only let me move out and into my own home when I turned 18 just as I specifically told her I wanted to do then I would not only not be on these forums, but I might actually even be living in Hollywood or at least have a production company working for me and at least be far more advanced in my career of being on my way to making a major movie about the Wogglebug without Oz like he wasn't there to begin with. But because she was so selfish and evil she kept me locked in as her prisoner for ten years straight and just wanted me to become a complete nobody just like her. The things that separate me from her the most are the facts I am an atheist and she is a born-again Christian and I have plenty of artistic talent in writing, screenwriting, and filmmaking, and she has none. And since she has no ability to even learn anything about a computer let alone use one the internet has been my sanctuary from her for ten years in her prison. It was actually her attempting to force her religion on me that led to both my atheism and my being held her prisoner so long.

And it actually is all thanks to my younger and very bright cousin and his mother who is my favorite aunt as to why I live on my own and in my own home and not on the streets. Because after my equally evil father died (if he were alive today he would actually be 91) my mother attempted to sell our old home and business for a few years but lacked the competency to do so on her own and so hired my bright cousin to do so who had much experience in these things. And I seized my chance and talked to him in private about my desire to live somewhere I wanted to live. He replied first, "I'm taking this all that you mean to say you're not going to be living with Aunt Lainie because she's been having me look for basement apartment in South Carolina. But I guess that's not what you want." It seems that even though me and her made a deal that when we sold our old home I would live on my own for the first time she willfully tried to go back on her word to me and wanted to just tote me away with her like I was just another piece of luggage for ho take at my age of 28. Thankfully my cousin was so smart that he made sure I was living on my own in my own home before we'd sold our old home and business. And I'll be forever grateful to him for his intervention because even though my mother fully expected to have enough money leftover from our sell of our old home what we had left instead was essentially nothing whatsoever left. My mother now is living with her older sister in a place set away from my neighborhood and I never have talked to her or seen her again since and wouldn't have it any other way.

Another reason to hate her is because she hadn't let my teeth be fixed by my dentist by applying for a payment plan of his in the way I do with some of the people I work with because she thought for certain we would have enough money left after our sell to both move to another state and pay to get my teeth fixed all at once. But thanks to her ignorance I may have lost my ability to smile forever, and it's also her fault I lost it because it was because of her cruelty I was put on very strong dosages of anti-depressant medications that destroyed my four front teeth in the first place. Another point as to how she was mean and stupid was because I am actually a client with Concord Counselling (the best mental health care place in my city) and they specifically told both of us before I can move to another state I must learn to live on my own in my current state first and foremost and then I can be released from them but not before. And one of my first caseworkers expected me to give proof I could live on my own in old home before they would sign me up for new housing (they themselves could have helped me move away from her all the time, that's right) but my mother didn't let that happen and was the opposite of helpful about it. Nowadays my aunt who is more like a mother to me than my biological one ever was comes to help me with where I currently live now and away from that evil old crone who as far as I'm concerned is already dead and cremated.

I have to hold on to my dreams though and do my best with them. They're all I really have to feel it's a good idea to stay alive and feel like I can be somebody and break away from my mother's bad line of losers.

Now as for your second question. In at least one sense I want to have a franchise that is along the lines of the Harry Potter one. But what I mean is really that I have no expectations for my novels to make millions on their own. And I certainly do not want to sell the rights to my intellectual property to strangers who just are out to steal it in the legal way for all I may know. I need to make sure somehow or another I maintain as much creative control as possible in the way @voiceguy lets me have when he and I rewrote the script of my first movie together and much more in terms of major productions. Which is why I am putting out starter movies thanks to the miracle of IClone and also picture books and novelizations to go with them. Truthfully, writing novelizations and scripts of my own movies in addition to doing my own animation helps me to put my visions out the way I want and helps ensure my success in what I want.

@patchwork First of all, it's not my fault I don't have a major movie production in the works to release to theaters and do advertising for that would automatically gain more than 100 people anticipating the film's release. I hope this will come to be someday. And It's not for you to determine the number of people I have as an audience per film or for the series as a whole especially. More films will lead to a bigger audience. And I am aware of this for the moment being a drop of water compared to the number of Oz fans. But that is precisely the point of it also. I am not making movies for their fandom but for my own. And since their fan base is already huge they will not miss me and my own fans. That fan base has the best known and loved Oz characters of which I prefer the MGM movie version of anyway. And the Wogglebug's fan base needs to begin with me and grow with my own fans.

And yes, @voiceguy is 61, turning 62 in March next year. And I will admit I don't know for certain just how much time we will have to work with each other anymore than anyone else does. But that is precisely the point. I would prefer to cherish my time with him as the Wogglebug's first one true voice. And just try to do as much as we can together in the time that we will have to do so. And in all the years I've known him he seems at best to be a very overall health smart man who knows how to take care of himself when he is sick or not and also the right places for him to go for extra help if need be. For all we know we may succeed with making all ten films with him as the Wogglebug's voice.

I need him as long as possible for the Wogglebug's speaking and singing voice, and also for writing the lyrics of the songs in the films (I'm not completely devoid of talent but he has an expertise for it that is extraordinarily valuable) and also for helping me write and rewrite my scripts at least to an extent to make the movies as near to perfection as I can get them.

@Rabbit Bones That was just what I was expecting for you all to think. Thanks for confirming it for me. And because so many of you feel that way I'm sure I couldn't trust you to try to do a few things I suspect you would have the nasty nature to do with my movie if I released it to Amazon, I shall not be releasing to Amazon for a long, long time at least. Because I am just starting out and the Wogglebug is starting anew in his new fandom and life in Genoma with no bad memories of Oz to burden him, and we left behind his pain and suffering from liars and naysayers about him in Oz; and I need to make sure the families of my targeted audience understand my franchise is not a bad things and my series of movies are of high quality while being rated G with consistency and hold the image of the Wogglebug as a lovable role model in their mind's in way that cannot be scarred, either.

As for you two @Cubanodun and @AnOminous the fact you two are obviously so doubtful of me being able to succeed is only inspiring me all the more to keep trying and never give up. I know you aren't the only naysayers obviously. And I know you said I can't choose my audience but I am going to at least try to defy you all and see if I can anyway and even get help in the right places.

@Golly First off I'm not much into Batman to judge whether or not your comparison has much if any logic to it. But I'm sure there's no comparison and I would prefer you to not try to make one. And while you may be right that people who get divisive about fandoms are in a minority, I will then just gladly declare that I shall then just be in that minority by my own choice if that will make everyone satisfied. And just so you all know, if in the event I ever do decide to advertise my movies on DVD to people in Oz facebook groups I will do so in my own way and only after I make sure a large portion of people who are into the Royal Cult of Oz that my former publisher was a patron of are blocked from my Facebook viewings. And I'll still only let people purchase the DVDs if I can at best trust they will never upload the movie online anywhere. And then I'll actually let them become members of my fan base if they are willing to leave the Oz one (my friend Amy Rose did that because of me).

Now if you'll excuse me I have things to do, including filming a movie.

 

[patchwork]

Well you're ambitious, I'll give you that! It's a worthwhile endeavor to you, so let us know whenever the first movie comes out whether it comes out in two or so years or a decade. We're all your #1 fans, y'know.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

I'll try to make this the last post from me here.

OK. See you tomorrow!

 

[AnOminous]

As for you two @Cubanodun and @AnOminous the fact you two are obviously so doubtful of me being able to succeed is only inspiring me all the more to keep trying and never give up. I know you aren't the only naysayers obviously. And I know you said I can't choose my audience but I am going to at least try to defy you all and see if I can anyway and even get help in the right places.

Glad I could inspire.

Still ain't gonna happen.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

filming a movie.