Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man? - aka Debate user doodoocaca on the validity of rape victims

Would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man?

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doodoocaca said:
A few people hurt other people, this has always been true, but because victim politics you're going "women" and "men" and "men" who don't do this shit are fucking tired of hearing it.
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Talking about the terrible things men have done to women is not "victim politics", it is reality. If you cannot acknowledge reality, you are psychotic.
doodoocaca said:
So then you go on about rape like a walking sneeding feminist sterotype and completely blow off everything I said about how badly you communicate.
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When the children abused by the Christian correctional facilities speak out, are they participating in "victim politics"? Are the little girls and boys that have been raped and tortured stupid feminist whores that never shut up about rape? Are they incapable of communication?
N Space said:
Last time I checked the feminist zeitgeist, it only took a catcall, a stare or unwanted physical contact for a women to claim rape.
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The liberal feminists you see in cringe compilations and viral xitter threads are not the only feminists on the planet.
 
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Blackhole said:
bears don't rape. bears don't kill you for fun or for sexual arousal. bears don't torture you to death. bears don't abuse you after you give birth. bears don't post photos of random women being mauled. bears don't masturbate to pictures of dead women. bears don't molest children. bears don't write rage-fueled essays when women say they don't trust them.
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Beyond the ones in the list that take a human level of intelligence and technology bears do all those things, but humans aren't usually on the receiving end because we're viewed as food or threat depending on the bear.

For example, Dominant male bears will kill a female bears cubs to force her back into the mating cycle. My biggest problem with the hypothetical besides the "I'd rather be around a bear than a moid" stuff is the retarded whitewashing of bears that only get their nature insights from cute tiktok animal clips.
 
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Blackhole said:
Talking about the terrible things men have done to women is not "victim politics", it is reality. If you cannot acknowledge reality, you are psychotic.
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Talking about the terrible things women have done to men is not "victim politics", it is reality. If you cannot acknowledge reality, you are psychotic.

Talking about the terrible things $race have done to $race is not "victim politics", it is reality. If you cannot acknowledge reality, you are psychotic.

Talking about the terrible things people have done to people is not "victim politics", it is reality. If you cannot acknowledge reality, you are psychotic.

Why do only some of these work? Why the special pleading without even pleading for the disparity? Why do you get to arbitrate what subdivisions count and which do not?

Blackhole said:
When the children abused by the Christian correctional facilities speak out, are they participating in "victim politics"? Are the little girls and boys that have been raped and tortured stupid feminist whores that never shut up about rape? Are they incapable of communication?
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They're not all christian, in fact that's a minority. You clearly haven't actually read up on this. You don't care. You're cherry picking.

Victim politics would be leaning on popular perception to vilify people for social reasons. Talking about particular harms and making a plan to stop it and talking about particular acts instead of general, nebulous, politicized speech, is talking about actual events and trying to stop it, and indeed not making nebulous statements.

Blackhole said:
The liberal feminists you see in cringe compilations and viral xitter threads are not the only feminists on the planet.
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I don't care about any particular political team-jersey anymore.
 
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Blackhole said:
Men have been doing far worse to women for millennia, but now that women can use mean words against faggots like you, it's a terrible crime? We have been tolerating male violence for thousands of years, women calling men stinky rape apes is not comparable.
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And what about the things other men have suffered at the hands of other men? Ever read about what the Barbary Pirates did to whites they captured and enslaved? Or how various ancient civilizations delighted in unspeakable sadism, from the ancient Assyrians to Muhammad Turk?. Men do most of the dying in wars throughout history. The ocean of history has a killing tide. Men did these things but they but men also built civilization to protect people from barbarism. You cannot have it both ways. And in any case the number of bad things men have done to women IN THE MODERN ERA is greatly overshadowed by the good things they have done and do.

As far as people getting mad at an answer to a hypothetical, it is not the answer, but the reasoning and how that answer is used rhetorically that counts.
 
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Norbert the Tiger said:
And what about the things other men have suffered at the hands of other men? Ever read about what the Barbary Pirates did to whites they captured and enslaved? Or how various ancient civilizations delighted in unspeakable sadism, from the ancient Assyrians to Muhammad Turk?. Men do most of the dying in wars throughout history. The ocean of history has a killing tide. Men did these things but they but men also built civilization to protect people from barbarism. You cannot have it both ways. And in any case the number of bad things men have done to women IN THE MODERN ERA is greatly overshadowed by the good things they have done and do.

As far as people getting mad at an answer to a hypothetical, it is not the answer, but the reasoning and how that answer is used rhetorically that counts.
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You left out the well known under-reporting of female perpetrated child sex abuse.

The well known ability for women to lie and manipulate with rumors and slander and insult and gossip, such as we've seen in this entire thread, cannot be over stated. Where men are openly and honestly violent, women disguise their harms and manipulate others to do it for them. Indeed, if the entire point is to claim victim hood and plead (or, now, demand) protection and certain allowances, it works best to present a united instead of a divided front, at least publicly, even if in private they're just as awful to each other.

But, alas, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Most people just smack talk. Few people hurt with words. Fewer still act physically. They're all monsters.

We aren't in a world where we need to protect women from nature anymore. Women can choose to go to a park or not and bring spray or weapons, or not. We're in a 'civilized' world with social contracts that are torn up, pissed on, but still lingering in our memories, and wordsmiths craft one last grasp at a power play, and recoil when faced with the fact that they offer nothing in exchange, have lost all leverage to compel any act from those they heap demands on, and aren't even asking for anything but a rhetorical deference to nebulous risks in the first place, seeking only attention.

Indeed, women like these - not all women - need to be protected from themselves.

I am so fucking glad I found a conservative woman years ago.
 
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doodoocaca said:
[Women do fucked up shit too]
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One could write a book or a long essay on this matter. You are right, especially in the modern age. Men do have a larger propensity for violence, for rape, etc al. But men are also the ones who stop it and protect women and other men.
It is a shame Molyneux's videos were deleted bc he did a number of videos on "the truth about single moms" and other matters."
 
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Norbert the Tiger said:
One could write a book or a long essay on this matter. You are right, especially in the modern age. Men do have a larger propensity for violence, for rape, etc al. But men are also the ones who stop it and protect women and other men.
It is a shame Molyneux's videos were deleted bc he did a number of videos on "the truth about single moms" and other matters."
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Yeah, well, if these particular idiots treat men as equally bad because a tiny sliver of men are bad - on the internet making this stupid argument, but not going about their daily lives, of course - then why can't we treat women as just as homogeneously bad with them?

Equal amounts of bad faith are at least fair.

Or I could shitpost by quoting extremely pertinent religious wisdom.
 
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Norbert the Tiger said:
Because it perpetuates the downward spiral where men and women are pitted against each other. And many women don't agree with this dumb shit misandry.
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Well, duh most women aren't like this, it's just the very online or the very impressionable. Then again, if they like drama and intrigue on the internet, and this keeps them from ruining actual lives, who are we to deny them their distraction?
 
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