Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Is the TPM release in theaters a new master?

No. It is literally just the 2019 4K revision that is viewable on Disney Plus... which itself isn't true, true 4K, because while Phantom Menace was shot on film, every shot had some manner of digital work implemented to accommodate the wealth of digital characters and effects that occupy the sets along with the actors, so it looks more like an HD film being upsampled to 4K.

I will say that the sound on the new 4K version is superb, for all the prequel films. They maybe locked in their current resolution for all time, but the sound mix has aged supremely thanks to the exhaustive efforts of Ben Burtt...I can only imagine what they'd sound like on a theater sound system.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

You know that shot of the gas coming out of a vent into the conference room Kenobi and Qui-gon are in? That's the only shot in the entirety of the prequels that had no CGI.

Did you know that Super Mario Bros. 2 was originally a Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic?

Very well said, @Mississippi Motorboater .

The creative nadir that is the Sequel Trilogy in all it's worthlessness can be summed up in a single sentence by a single character:

"Somehow, Palpatine came back."

Fuck's sake, a 3rd grade teacher doing a creative writing excercise for her class wouldn't let a kid get away with a non-explanation like that! And yet it's the focus that the entire ST pulls from. "Somehow" the old Emperor came back and repeated all his same shit except bigger this time, and in a fraction of the original time too! That little kid would get a C- for this shit, but a billion dollars+ were spent on it.

The single iconic scene in the entire sequel trilogy was that bitch lightspeed-ramming the First Order flagship. Other then that, every memory of the entire trilogy is negative. What a fucking wasted legacy.

When nobody called out JJ for the "a good question" line I knew it was ogre. I can only imagine what George felt watching that first cash-in movie, the guy who fought to keep himself independent from the studio system all his career only to see the studio he thought he could finally trust immediately whore his IP out.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

When nobody called out JJ for the "a good question" line I knew it was ogre. I can only imagine what George felt watching that first cash-in movie, the guy who fought to keep himself independent from the studio system all his career only to see the studio he thought he could finally trust immediately whore his IP out.

That's where the ''white slavers'' line came from. That was his opinion on his IP becoming a whored-out joke. The OT heroes' hard work tossed out like spoiled milk just so a shallow copy of ANH can be shown in theaters.

And the fans ate that slop up and asked for seconds. Lucas must've been heartbroken at the sight. They demonized him and his Prequels for years, movies that he poured his heart and soul into, yet they cheered on copy-paste slop like TFA as if it was the next best thing since sliced bread.

On a sidenote, I think the whole First Order-Resistance War could've worked better if it was a local war; if it didn't affect the galaxy as a whole, just one sector in the Outer Rim. They could've emphasized that the rest of the New Republic still existed and still stood strong, this would just be one problem they'd be facing; you could have the NR be facing other threats like extragalactic invaders, the Hutts, and other pirate or warlord states that rose in the Outer Rim after the Empire fell. Like, have TFA, but have it so that Hosnia was just a local NR fleet hub that was funding Leia's Resistance, and the actual NR capital is still Coruscant, it was just too far for Starkiller Base to hit, so they hit Hosnia instead, since it was directly funding Leia's efforts against them.

Then in the next film, the First Order are getting their asses kicked by a galvanized New Republic fleet, complete with new Super Star Destroyers, Subjugator-class heavy cruisers, and Mon Calamari cruisers all flying together, because the New Republic has former Imperials and Confederates in their ranks, and now the FO kicked the hornet's nest, the NR isn't taking Hosnia's destruction lightly. You can then introduce the spirit of some ancient Sith Lord who is NOT Palpatine being the power behind the First Order; when Snoke calls to the Sith for aid, the Sith blows up a star system to cut off the New Republic's pursuit, and he throws a Force Storm to decimate a large NR fleet, as thanks for the FO helping in his rebirth by giving him a clone body to inhabit.

Then Luke shows up where the NR is amassing their forces. Admiral Ackbar has the New Republic forces rally at Yavin IV, where takes count of the losses suffered from the Sith's magic; Luke tells him that this is a problem that must be tackled through the Force, since military means would just get crushed. He then takes Rey and Ahsoka with him to investigate this Sith threat, while he also sends a signal to Kylo Ren to get close to the Sith, since Ren is his inside man in the FO and that story of Luke almost killing him was a lie; they even burned the Jedi Temple and had Luke's Jedi hide to sell the deception.

There you go. I just fixed the ST in five minutes of typing. Hey, Disney, hire me already! I can save Star Wars for you!

 

[Dean Pentel]

Hey, Disney, hire me already!

Are you a fat, white troon or a fat, white woman? No? No job for you, then!

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Are you a fat, white troon or a fat, white woman? No? No job for you, then!

NOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOooooo..........

 

[Screamer_2]

Is the TPM release in theaters a new master?

It's a 4k scan of a 35mm print made from a 2K digital master. It's fine, the film still looks good but it lacks fine details. Also kind of fuzzy at times.

As part of purchasing Lucasfilm, they did 4k masters of the OT which went back to scanning the original negatives. So much detail in the images. I don't know how they handled the newer CGI, it didn't look redone, but it looked better than I remembered. Even that musical number from ROTJ seemed much better. Off the top of my head, I think it was just color-graded much better. I would not be surprised if they composited the digital elements onto new scans of the footage.

I tried to look out for some lingering issues that always bugged me about the SE. Such as how they claimed to fix the transparency of the Snow Speeder cockpits but it was still there in some shots. I tried looking out for that and didn't see it. Or the boxes around the tie-fighters in the Falcon's post-Death Star escape sequence. They were finally gone.

It's quite possible TPM was too digitally manipulated to make a new 4K version from the original film easy. Hopefully, the recent box office success lets Lucasfilm know it also is a valuable asset worth protection. I have no clue why they couldn't just upscale the 2K digital master. I can't imagine it would have been lost like many other digital masters of films from the late 90s and early 2000s.

The other prequels, despite the resolution limitations of shooting digitally look very good. One could quibble on some of the finer details not being there, a little soft but it's not an issue. They're spectacular nonetheless.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Fuck, even the "I hate sand" scene is completely devoid of CG, and is a Renaissance-style balcony that people can (and have) visited. Most of the Naboo sets are.

yep

 

[Screamer_2]

Fuck, even the "I hate sand" scene is completely devoid of CG, and is a Renaissance-style balcony that people can (and have) visited. Most of the Naboo sets are.

To be that nerd, some of the shots have no CGI. There's still CGI in the backgrounds and extensions to buildings. The scenes at Villa del Balbianello on Lake Como have the settlements on the lakes edges painted out. There's lots of little tweaks.

 

[Zero MK 2]

You could actually say no and stand with House Cortess if you wish. Vector's forced to fight alongside you against his own kind.


Depends. The Republic storylines were at most, standard capeshit stuff. Especially the Jedi Knight, where for some reason, the Sith Emperor who turned Revan into his prison bitch can't keep you as a prison bitch for long and you strike him down like he's a fat man taking a dive in a wrestling match for a box of chocolates.

The agent, it depends on your taste. The Bounty Hunter and Sith storylines, however, were the best. Especially since you get to teach the Jedi a thing or two about humility, and you get to do the same to the Sith, especially if you're a light-sided Sith or Bounty Hunter who doesn't fall for their ''anger and hate'' BS.

It's funny; the Sith Emperor actually advises you against being the standard Sith in the Sith Warrior storyline. At one point in Belsavis, if you as the Warrior talk about your hatred for the enemy powering you, the Sith Emperor says something along the lines of ''anger is a mortal fuel, it burns bright, but leaves the tank empty,'' meaning that while it gives you a temporary boost, it just burns you out in the end, and you're better off not tying yourself to it. The Sith equivalent to a pope-emperor openly tells you that Sith dogma is bullshit more than once, especially if you count the DLC expansions.

Then they bring him back several times over the years and you kill him in his throne world “for good” this time while he LARPs as a cenobite with blackened eyes n shiet. Tenebrae sounds more like a brute chieftan name from halo than a proper sith name.

The dread masters seemed like more of a real threat than the emperor ever was but just come off as larping edgelords rather than a few sith masters who mastered the pinnacles of force insanity from the kotor games. With a plotline that has largely been lost to time thanks to a declining endgame playerbase and changes to the game corralling everyone into the lastest content and removing some questlines completely.

But you do get to kill a kell dragon one of them possessed somehow with their force ghost.

 

[MajinGoku]

How profitable are the new star wars shows to Disney

 

[Grave Ghost]

SWTOR could have been a great KOTOR game if it didn't have to kowtow to the mmo genre. As it stands it’s an alright game, but the monetization scheme they went with just sucks the fun out of it. (I paid for the game at launch and had 90% of the features I paid for taken from me when the game went f2p)

I remember being so hyped as a kid thinking the whole game was going to be single player. How disappointed I was to find out that it was an MMO...

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

How profitable are the new star wars shows to Disney

They ain’t.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I can only imagine what George felt watching that first cash-in movie, the guy who fought to keep himself independent from the studio system all his career only to see the studio he thought he could finally trust immediately whore his IP out.

We already know exactly what George Lucas thought of TFA, courtesy of Bob Iger himself via his autobiography published in 2019:

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"Waaaah, mean old George doesn't understand the pressure on having to deliver new Star Wars films to a nit-picky fanbase!"
...you mean like how he did in 1999? And 2002? And 2005? Bob, are you actually retarded, or do you just buy famous IPs without doing a lick of research on their brand and production history?

Also, lol at "J.J. creating the 'perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come'". Does "what was to come" translate to diminishing returns? Because he certainly created that with Ep. 9...the last SW film we've gotten in half a decade.

To be that nerd, some of the shots have no CGI. There's still CGI in the backgrounds and extensions to buildings. The scenes at Villa del Balbianello on Lake Como have the settlements on the lakes edges painted out. There's lots of little tweaks.

Yes, but most of the close-up shots of the actors interacting (including the exact shot of Anakin monologuing about sand) is just that: close-ups of the actors in costume, against the backdrop of practical sets. I believe some CG is implemented during the establishing shot of the villa, and when Padme looks in the distance and talks about her childhood in this place, but that's about it.

How profitable are the new star wars shows to Disney

Disney measures profitability by viewership and subscriber additions. The only live-action SW show to see a surge in both are all three seasons of The Mandalorian--everything else has either been average to subpar numbers (Ahsoka), or outright barren viewership (Andor, which even the showrunner admitted was a season-long exercise in the production team "chasing the audience" that wouldn't show up to watch it). The animated shows like Bad Batch or Tales of the Empire garner something like 100K-500K viewers, if the Nielson ratings are to be believed (even the recent finale to Bad Batch got the traction of a fucking funeral), but given how significantly cheaper it is to recycle ugly animated assets to pinch out another one of these shows, I wouldn't classify them as any kind of loss leader.

I think the most definitive failure in terms of Disney Content from LFL isn't even a Star Wars show---it was that Willow TV series, which, because of either reviewing so poorly or getting such abysmal viewership, was literally axed from existence David Zaslav-style and now only exists through torrent sites.

It was so bad even professional financial journals like Forbes were dancing on the grave of this trainwreck.

 

[The Nothingness]

I take it the rerelease of TPM in theaters used the CGI model of Yoda and not the puppet.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I can only imagine what George felt watching that first cash-in movie, the guy who fought to keep himself independent from the studio system all his career only to see the studio he thought he could finally trust immediately whore his IP out.

Makes me feel relieved Jim Henson died before he could see what Disney would do with the Muppets…

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Saw Phantom Menace in the theater yesterday, goddamn was that fun. Yeah it wasn't high cinema by any means, but Jar-Jar is much less rage inducing than he's made out to be, the podrace scene is great, and, while I've gushed about it before, the stylistic choices were perfect! The look of the podracers, all of the Queen's outfits, the Naboo guards, the Gungan weapons and armor, if George can be commended for one thing it would be that he knows how to pick the best designs his concept artists offer him!

I still have the kid food bowl from when I was a kid watching TPM. It’s cracked some, but still very useful.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I take it the rerelease of TPM in theaters used the CGI model of Yoda and not the puppet.

You'd be correct, since it's based on the 2019 4K release.

That's technically the best and most up-to-date CG Rendition of Yoda that exists, since it was the last one made by ILM--2010, in fact, so the texturing and compositing is better than the Yoda models used for both Episode II and III.

 

[Zero MK 2]

I take it the rerelease of TPM in theaters used the CGI model of Yoda and not the puppet.

Liam nelson was truly a jedi who saw where this franchise was headed in a few short decades and somehow got out of SW out ASAP.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

You'd be correct, since it's based on the 2019 4K release.

That's technically the best and most up-to-date CG Rendition of Yoda that exists, since it was the last one made by ILM--2010, in fact, so the texturing and compositing is better than the Yoda models used for both Episode II and III.

It’s weird that they’d fix that but not the fakeness of the CGI on Jabba and Jar Jar…

 

[MajinGoku]

The zoomers redeemed the view of the prequels and became big fans of it do you think gen alpha will do the same for the sequels?