Evaluating the statement "You become what you give your attention to"

Lords Greatsword

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Every so often, I am reminded of this quote from Epictetus, and the extent to which it actually holds up.

When looking at lolcows, for example, it's well known by now that some are such autism magnets they end up attracting orbiters who exhibit as many autistic tendencies, or otherwise more than, the actual person they were latched on to - Chris Chan and his downright psychopathic a-logs, Yandev and the circle of fan games from equally unwell creators, the list can go on. This is generally less a matter of the lolcow influencing an A-Log, but instead simply drawing those who were already like-minded into the scene.

However, this could also be extended to the modern (albeit often online) nature of irony, and how the line between sincerity and irony, in some spaces, is so often blurred by absurd humor and discourse that it tends to result in those who initially engage in something "ironically" adopting it with sincerity later on.

Of course, if it was exactly such that we become whatever we subject our attention to, then by that logic the forum in its entirety would be filled with troons, deathfats, delusional grifters, and so forth, yet this is not at all the case for a large part of the userbase, who tend to have an actual life outside the forum. Interest toward lolcows can come from several reasons, but sometimes it is piqued precisely because some may see an attribute in a cow that reminds them of their own self, of one familiar to them, or of personal situations that could have been.

I feel that this statement is significant enough that to limit it to the scope of lolcows would be selling it short.
There is no doubt that people are shaped by their environment, yet there are additionally certain things that we permit or refuse into our environment; friend groups, diet, forms of entertainment or other media, and so forth. In a sense, these are things that would demand attention to persist in one's environment, and consequently, potentially influence one in some way as well.

But is it apt to take the statement, "You become what you give your attention to", and treat it as a rule - as if an inevitable slippery slope binds one to imitate that which they take in? Or does the accuracy of the statement simply depend on the individual?
 
I would imagine the statement is a way to think about how you're shaping the context of how you see yourself or how you come off to others.

At work, the McDonalds burgerman can be thinking of the most optimal method of assembling a McDouble or he could be thinking about hanging himself with his belt. Also think of how the statement would come across to any retard who says "I can quit whenever I want".
 
We are all fucked up to some degree. Some of us might have even become lolcows if we didn't have the good sense to keep some things to ourselves.

When I die and stand before the throne of God, I'm pretty sure I'll see the equivalent of my own KF thread. I just hope I end on a redemption arc.
 
That's one of those philosophical statements that requires a charitable interpretation to work and sounds like it says more than it does.

Taking it in absolute, how do you become what you give your attention to? I'm giving my attention to a computer screen right now, will I become a computer screen? Or an internet forum? If I ruminate about death will I become death? That sounds metal.

If someone surrounds themselves with something they'll tend to internalize related values and a compatible worldview, but also given free choice they'll likely be drawn to something to begin with because something about it resonates with them. So a lot of times you could say you already are what you give your attention to.

So yes, you should try not to immerse yourself in things you know aren't beneficial. You should also be self aware of how being attracted to something often indicates things about you that you might not even be aware of.

That's common sense though, ideally nobody should need this epictetanus guy to package it into a saying for them.
 
We are all fucked up to some degree. Some of us might have even become lolcows if we didn't have the good sense to keep some things to ourselves.

When I die and stand before the throne of God, I'm pretty sure I'll see the equivalent of my own KF thread. I just hope I end on a redemption arc.
We might be fine because we can tell god "at least we are not ResetEra".
 
I find the inverse to be more true; that we give attention to the things that reflect, interest, or resonate with us the most. Sometimes this is as straightforward as projecting your insecurities onto others and sometimes it's whether anyone really has been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like.
 
It's probably a true statement in some ways, especially in this day and age where we crave attention. If we find something worth giving attention to, then we subconsciously agree that becoming that something will make others give attention to you.
There's many memes about homophobes or transphobes becoming gay and trans, and while it's definitely overexaggerated, it has quite a lot of truth to it, speaking from personal experience.
 
But is it apt to take the statement, "You become what you give your attention to", and treat it as a rule - as if an inevitable slippery slope binds one to imitate that which they take in? Or does the accuracy of the statement simply depend on the individual?
No?

I don't think I can accurately put into words my thoughts on this, but I think it's down to a choice or lack thereof to not indulge in the behavior you're studying. It's a "thing" for instance for people to pick up each other's mannerisms subconsciously, or for people who are deep undercover to start actually thinking and behaving like the group they're infiltrating until they no longer believe in the cause/organization that they went undercover for in the first place.

There's also that lolcows tend to draw in sadistic people looking for acceptable targets, or people who legitimately are pulling a "hey at least I'm not ____" act on themselves so they can avoid self-improvement or self-reflection, or whatever. But I don't think that's what you're talking about here.
 
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If someone surrounds themselves with something they'll tend to internalize related values and a compatible worldview, but also given free choice they'll likely be drawn to something to begin with because something about it resonates with them. So a lot of times you could say you already are what you give your attention to.
I find the inverse to be more true; that we give attention to the things that reflect, interest, or resonate with us the most. Sometimes this is as straightforward as projecting your insecurities onto others and sometimes it's whether anyone really has been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like.
Humans are drawn to fat and sugar because they're calorie dense and a boon to survival in the conditions we evolved from/for, that doesn't mean they're a good thing to ingest in the modern day.

Similarly, negativity and the withdrawal instinct are more strongly weighted than positivity and the approach instict because danger was more prevalent and more consequential for most of human history than it is today, that doesn't mean that indulging in and surrounding yourself with stimuli that reinforce negativity and withdrawal is a good idea. Or sin or vice, for that matter. Resisting the temptation to give your attention to things you shouldn't is one of the most basic aspects of humanity. No shit you're drawn to the things you indulge in, that's a tautology; the observation that the things you indulge in shape you at least has some substance and actionable value.
 
Examining things I do not like has made me improve myself in response to it, perhaps out of spite, perhaps out of a deeper understanding. Not sure if it proves or disproves Epictetus's statement.

On the other hand, the means by which I fixed my shit lead me to look at better examples, too.
 
But is it apt to take the statement, "You become what you give your attention to", and treat it as a rule - as if an inevitable slippery slope binds one to imitate that which they take in? Or does the accuracy of the statement simply depend on the individual?
As proud Kiwifarmers, ranchers of lolcows, and more aware autists in our own right, the answer is yes. Don't forget, we're here forever.

I think part of it might come down to getting used to communicating in particular ways and gaining traction among people who talk in the same way, slowly becoming absorbed into their sphere in some sort of long-term self-selection process helping me find my fellow Dogs on the Internet. Dog Internet theory is real.
 
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