Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

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This video goes over how Filoni basically trashed Disney SW canon. Hilarious.

I forgot to add the Star Wars Dark Forces/Jedi Knight game series to the list since the Dark Troopers from the Mandalorian obviously copied it from Dark Forces itself. That was a game series that I liked as I grew up - a force-sensitive mercenary against multiple Dark Jedi and the introduction of Mara Jade.

I loved how it ended with Jedi Academy. One of the most powerful Sith Lords comes back to life, only to get his ass kicked by one of Luke's minions. Not Luke himself, just one of his and Kyle Katarn's students. All the while, the New Republic is portrayed as effective and efficient, and the Light is portrayed to be so strong that one of Luke's servants defeats a Sith Lord who once made the other Sith so scared of him that he died of natural causes instead of being overthrown.

It was the ending to the SW storyline that Lucas would've wanted; the Jedi and the New Republic become so strong, and they're there to stay. They don't get bodied by some alien race someone pulled out of their asses, and the Jedi aren't so stupid that one of Luke's nephews kills his wife without him knowing about it.

Another reason why this Disney Star Wars seemed "meh" to me nowadays when they just copy the concepts from the EU to their canon like how Palpatine is alive again in Ep. 9.

Basically. Disney fanboys started off lambasting the SWEU and calling it shit, only for Disney Star Wars to copy Dark Forces and Dark Empire in the end. One could say they were doing it from the start; The Force Awakens is basically Legacy of the Force meets A New Hope, while The Last Jedi is KOTOR 2 meets Empire Strikes Back mixed in with SJW politics.

Also, Mando Season 3 ripped off the plot of Jedi Outcast. An Imperial Remnant Warlord wants to create an army of Force-users with lightsaber proof armor. Moff Gideon is basically the Breaking Bad version of Admiral Galak Fyyar, except Fyyar actually made his army and invaded the Jedi Temple with it; Galak spoke of his thousands of Force-enhanced, lightsaber-resistant warriors invading the Jedi Temple, and Luke's Jedi crush them like plebs. Another showing of how powerful Luke's Jedi were; they at most numbered a few hundred, and they crushed a larger army of Force-sensitives because they were properly trained.

indeed, them being counted and apparently correlating to power (after all anakin has more than yoda, and "no jedi has"), it truly is a mystery how people could interpret that...

They kind of were a power level thing, which explains why Leia is their only hope after Luke; she's the only one who can equal Vader due to being his daughter. It's not any other Force sensitive that they could train to fight the Emperor, no, just Vader's kids. So even without the M-count thing, it was a power level thing from the start. Palpatine wanted Luke because he's like Vader, but not damaged goods.

once you understand they're actual trekkies and star wars is just low-brow pleb scifi, it makes more sense.

you can take solace from the fact that trek got raped way harder than star wars. disney is just greedy and incompetent, paramount is outright spiteful and malevolent. and they got shat on by captain kirk himself, karma is a bitch

That explains their hate for Star Wars; their ''love'' for the OT is a sham. They hated the fact that SW was back on top during the Prequel era with the movies and the tie-ins, while Trek languished in mediocrity with the later movies coming out during that time. So attacking the Prequels was their response for it.

And yes, Paramount's guidelines for Trek fanfilms and how they treated the franchise makes Disney's treatment of Star Wars seem downright tame. So there is some solace to that.

 

[Zero MK 2]

That explains their hate for Star Wars; their ''love'' for the OT is a sham. They hated the fact that SW was back on top during the Prequel era with the movies and the tie-ins, while Trek languished in mediocrity with the later movies coming out during that time.

And yes, Paramount's guidelines for Trek fanfilms and how they treated the franchise makes Disney's treatment of Star Wars seem downright tame. So there is some solace to that.

Also doesn't help that they stopped investing in the games going in the direction of Realtime Starfleet Battles and how complex that could get. No one cares about watching the boring drama unfold via retarded "confessional" shots that are the lamest shit ever. AXANAR. They want to participate in being the captain of one of the many ships in that Quadrant of the galaxy and not feel like they are in a random police interrogation. But the retards of the current fandom only care about LARPing about DS9 or some gay shit.

It's why Klingon Academy is looked back on so fondly compared to these out of touch wannabe TNG episodes passing as "trek games" today by nepotism hires who have never even heard of Starfleet battles and don't care to.

Star trek online is a pathetic watered down pale imitation of SFC and instead of being able to mod in new ships as simple as "drag and drop in the right folder and modify a text file" they expect you to pay for fucking lootboxes for the CHANCE to play as a ship you want. They don't have any real power management, marines, repair part mechanics, directional shield energy, tractor beams, ECM/ECCM, and you can't even launch shuttles from any ship like you can in a 20+ year old game. You don't even get the dignity to fully use the speed bar. Its just been dumbed down to 25% increments to impulse power.

Also why did they cancel that fan remake of KOTOR 1 again? Aspyr didn't even care enough to really work on their officially licensed one or make the Restored content mod a free DLC.

 

[Ensok]

Oh well, at least I can still fire up Galactic Battlegrounds if I want some AOE2 Star Wars.

I've been replaying that lately. On Hard some of the levels are barely any more difficult than Easy but then some others are impossibly tough. I flat out can't figure out how to beat the final Confederacy mission without cheating.

 

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I've been replaying that lately. On Hard some of the levels are barely any more difficult than Easy but then some others are impossibly tough. I flat out can't figure out how to beat the final Confederacy mission without cheating.

I remember those missions on Hard. Fucking hell, the Republic must have a clone foundry pumping out Jedi. So many Jedi died throwing themselves at my defenses, it was like Order 66 happened three years early.

Also doesn't help that they stopped investing in the games going in the direction of Realtime Starfleet Battles and how complex that could get. No one cares about watching the boring drama unfold via retarded "confessional" shots that are the lamest shit ever. AXANAR. They want to participate in being the captain of one of the many ships in that Quadrant of the galaxy and not feel like they are in a random police interrogation.

It's why Klingon Academy is looked back on so fondly compared to these out of touch wannabe TNG episodes passing as "trek games" today by nepotism hires who have never even heard of Starfleet battles and don't care to.

I suppose that's because too many space battles make it too much like Star Wars, and that would piss some people off, especially TNG fans who liked all those debates and dialogues.

Star trek online is a pathetic watered down pale imitation of SFC and instead of being able to mod in new ships as simple as "drag and drop in the right folder and modify a text file" they expect you to pay for fucking lootboxes for the CHANCE to play as a ship you want. They don't have any real power management, marines, repair part mechanics, directional shield energy, tractor beams, ECM/ECCM, and you can't even launch shuttles from any ship like you can in a 20+ year old game. You don't even get the dignity to fully use the speed bar. Its just been dumbed down to 25% increments to impulse power.

Lootboxes in Star Trek. How ironic. Trek was infamous for criticizing materialist capitalism and the greed it introduces in society; now it has become a tool of that greed with paid lootboxes.

Also why did they cancel that fan remake of KOTOR 1 again? Aspyr didn't even care enough to really work on their officially licensed one or make the Restored content mod a free DLC.

Lawyering. A fan remake of KOTOR 1 would be free, something they wouldn't be able to profit from.

 

[Zero MK 2]

Lootboxes in Star Trek. How ironic. Trek was infamous for criticizing materialist capitalism and the greed it introduces in society; now it has become a tool of that greed with paid lootboxes.

They aren't even cool ships either. No idea what the hell those ugly ass time travel ships are supposed to be that they kept shilling. There was more than just the timeship from voyager.

Lawyering. A fan remake of KOTOR 1 would be free, something they wouldn't be able to profit from.

Apparently so. Can't even take a free mod and make it officially available on all platforms.

I remember those missions on Hard. Fucking hell, the Republic must have a clone foundry pumping out Jedi. So many Jedi died throwing themselves at my defenses, it was like Order 66 happened three years early.

Phase 1 of the Clone wars was a mess well before Filoni showed up but it truly felt like the stars were the limit for where the clone wars era could go as long as it ended at the events of ANH.

I suppose that's because too many space battles make it too much like Star Wars, and that would piss some people off, especially TNG fans who liked all those debates and dialogues.

I mean they got back half the cast of Star trek VI: the undiscovered country for Klingon academy. It was anything but a bad story or a copy of SW.

 

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I mean they got back half the cast of Star trek VI: the undiscovered country for Klingon academy. It was anything but a bad story or a copy of SW.

That's a good score for a cast. Too bad the nepotism hires didn't really take inspiration from it.

Phase 1 of the Clone wars was a mess well before Filoni showed up but it truly felt like the stars were the limit for where the clone wars era could go as long as it ended at the events of ANH.

Sev'rance Tann was a surprisingly fun character. Too bad she got buried and forgotten by modern Clone Wars fans. I mean, if Maul can come back, Tann should've been given a shot.

They aren't even cool ships either. No idea what the hell those ugly ass time travel ships are supposed to be that they kept shilling. There was more than just the timeship from voyager.

Are you really surprised that people whoring out loot boxes don't give a shit about design?

Apparently so. Can't even take a free mod and make it officially available on all platforms.

Free mod. That right there is an offense in the eyes of corporate lawyering. They can't make money off it. It's like when Microsoft shot down some modders who were making a Halo strategy game, then promised them a Halo RTS. But at least Microsoft delivered.

 

[Zero MK 2]

That's a good score for a cast. Too bad the nepotism hires didn't really take inspiration from it.


Sev'rance Tann was a surprisingly fun character. Too bad she got buried and forgotten by modern Clone Wars fans. I mean, if Maul can come back, Tann should've been given a shot.


Are you really surprised that people whoring out loot boxes don't give a shit about design?


Free mod. That right there is an offense in the eyes of corporate lawyering. They can't make money off it. It's like when Microsoft shot down some modders who were making a Halo strategy game, then promised them a Halo RTS. But at least Microsoft delivered.

I'm sure given Baby Yoda's success that a Gorn Hatchling would do just as well as a main character. But they only know about the Gorn from that meme where kirk fistfights one. In SFC they are a society of egg worshippers who will go to mass scale galactic war just to retrieve a few stolen Gorn eggs.

Not really surprised. Just disappointed at how beautiful the ship designs used to generally be before Enterprise.

Sev'rance Tann and Komari Vosa were far more compelling dark jedi characters than whatever Filoni was doing with Asajj Ventress.
They had actual depth to their story and they were more than handed the job. They actually earned their role. Ventress is just kind of there for the first few seasons and a swappable stand in for General Grievous.

Which fanmade halo rts?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's why Klingon Academy is looked back on so fondly compared to these out of touch wannabe TNG episodes passing as "trek games" today by nepotism hires who have never even heard of Starfleet battles and don't care to.

Space battles aside, I find it telling that the best Star Trek game is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. The bosses are dialog trees (Social Aug fights), murder is a choice, often suboptimal, and navigating through maps is a puzzle with multiple solutions. That's what Away missions should be. Instead, Star Trek FPS are more like Doom clones if that.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Sev'rance Tann and Komari Vosa were far more compelling dark jedi characters than whatever Filoni was doing with Asajj Ventress.
They had actual depth to their story and they were more than handed the job. They actually earned their role. Ventress is just kind of there for the first few seasons and a swappable stand in for General Grievous.

I'm never going to fucking understand why Filoni wars removed the i from Asajji Ventress' name. That and the constant repeats of the episode 3 grevious fight and him just coughing all the time despite episode 3 clearly treating it as him getting caught off guard after getting his lungs crushed by windu and the Obi wan fight in 3 being the one time they fucking actually fought. I think I brought up that latter bit somewhere in this thread a few years back though.

I was online in Star Wars communities when the prequels came out in whatever proto internet we had back then

The Internet was already very much an established thing when the Prequels came out, wasn't a "proto Internet" unless you count lack of shit like the reddit/facebook/twitter cancer trifecta and egregious censorship of the last few years as more Internet-y than the older and also wider Internet.
Also I'm still pissed there was never any followup to the Dexter Jettster implied adventures with Obi Wan that'd be the best fucking spinoff series but they never fucking did it and now if Disney did it they'd sideline the main characters and make the timeline make no damn sense like they did with the actual Obi wan show.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Happy 25th Anniversary to 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace'

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[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm sure given Baby Yoda's success that a Gorn Hatchling would do just as well as a main character. But they only know about the Gorn from that meme where kirk fistfights one. In SFC they are a society of egg worshippers who will go to mass scale galactic war just to retrieve a few stolen Gorn eggs.

Again, asking nepo hires to know the lore of the franchises they've been given command of is like asking a cripple to run a marathon. It's impossible. Unless it was already a passion of theirs, it won't work.

Not really surprised. Just disappointed at how beautiful the ship designs used to generally be before Enterprise.

Take what I just said about nepo hires knowing franchise lore, and apply that to aesthetics. These people don't care so long as they get theirs.

Sev'rance Tann and Komari Vosa were far more compelling dark jedi characters than whatever Filoni was doing with Asajj Ventress.
They had actual depth to their story and they were more than handed the job. They actually earned their role. Ventress is just kind of there for the first few seasons and a swappable stand in for General Grievous.

Sev'rance was basically a Confederate Thrawn except she's a Sith apprentice. Which makes her even more compelling since she's killed Jedi on her campaign. She even blacks out Coruscant at one point, after attacking the planet responsible for giving it power, Sarapin.

Komari Vosa, as I've said before, is the Alejandro Sosa of Star Wars. Just as Sosa was a druglord who had friends in high places in Scarface, so too does Vosa have friends in high places to help foster her galactic drug enterprise. She has corporate officials, local planetary warlords, Hutts, and even a Senator on Coruscant on her payroll. Jango Fett had to take them all down before getting to her. Vosa was slowly gaining more power and expanding her enterprise, and Dooku wanted to let her cook and grow in power; Sidious didn't like the fact that she was destabilizing society, so he had Dooku kill her, while they were also looking for a clone template for their army. Dooku decided to kill two birds with one stone by putting a price on Vosa's head, and the hunter who collected on it became the clone army template.

Funny how the Sith had to make up for the fact that the Jedi ignored a massive drug empire growing right under their noses. Of course, it's not like Sidious and Dooku did it out of charity, but at least the Sith saw that it was becoming a problem for society and did something about it.

Which fanmade halo rts?

I believe it was called Halogen.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

once you understand they're actual trekkies and star wars is just low-brow pleb scifi,

in the long-long ago Trekkies were the low-brow plebs
afaik the common view was disdain for the creeps who were getting snowed by Gene Rod's hustles like the "fan" letter campaigns.
they wouldn't expand their horizons, they didn't want scifi, they wanted shit with "star trek" on the label

 

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in the long-long ago Trekkies were the low-brow plebs
afaik the common view was disdain for the creeps who were getting snowed by Gene Rod's hustles like the "fan" letter campaigns.
they wouldn't expand their horizons, they didn't want scifi, they wanted shit with "star trek" on the label

Basically, yes. They ate up Roddenberry's concepts as if it were gospel, and they acted like the Treknobabble is actually plausible or realistic science. They go so far as to get horribly offended if you tell them that the Prime Directive is wrong. They literally turned Star Trek into a living creed to live by.

Say what you will about SW fans, but at least the people who listed ''Jedi'' as a religion were doing it as a joke, kind of like how Alan Moore pretends to worship a snake-god when asked what his religion is. They weren't really turning themselves into emotional eunuchs for the sake of a space cult that's supposed to have died out a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Imperial and Sith fans weren't turning themselves into edgelord rage-monsters who think they can bend a spoon if they get really, really angry at it.

I'm never going to fucking understand why Filoni wars removed the i from Asajji Ventress' name. That and the constant repeats of the episode 3 grevious fight and him just coughing all the time despite episode 3 clearly treating it as him getting caught off guard after getting his lungs crushed by windu and the Obi wan fight in 3 being the one time they fucking actually fought. I think I brought up that latter bit somewhere in this thread a few years back though.

I seem to remember that in the original Clone Wars canon prior to 2008, Grievous and Kenobi never met before EPIII. Hence why Grievous tells Kenobi that Dooku trained him, and it's also why Kenobi was a surprisingly effective fighter against Grievous, because Grievous hadn't met a master Form 3 combatant prior to ROTS, and Form 3 was really effective against someone like Grievous who tried to batter away at his enemies' defenses with multiple lightsabers.

And yes, the original reason Grievous had a cough was because of what Windu did to him during the Siege of Coruscant; Force-crushing his chest.

Space battles aside, I find it telling that the best Star Trek game is Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. The bosses are dialog trees (Social Aug fights), murder is a choice, often suboptimal, and navigating through maps is a puzzle with multiple solutions. That's what Away missions should be. Instead, Star Trek FPS are more like Doom clones if that.

To me, the best Trek game was Mass Effect 1 and 2. There's dialogue trees for conversation, you can go down to explore random planets you find off the beaten path, you have relationships with your crew that can go from casual workmates to true friendship, and it's all about how you operate as a commander of a ship, whether or not you resolve things with violence or with diplomacy. You can be a man-whore like Captain Kirk or a diplomat like Captain Picard. Or do both, because why the hell not.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Happy 25th Anniversary to 'Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace'​

Geez, it's been that long already. Time sure flies. Darth Maul's design and weapon still rules after all these years.

I remember the time when Ep. 1 toys were flying off the shelves. Yet after Ep. 7 and 8 were months gone from the theaters, there were massive stocks of unsold Ep. 7 & 8 figures (Ma-Rey Sue & Rose Tico moreso, I wonder why) just collecting dust while the classic Star Wars characters were, as usual, almost out of stock.

I seem to remember that in the original Clone Wars canon prior to 2008, Grievous and Kenobi never met before EPIII. Hence why Grievous tells Kenobi that Dooku trained him, and it's also why Kenobi was a surprisingly effective fighter against Grievous, because Grievous hadn't met a master Form 3 combatant prior to ROTS, and Form 3 was really effective against someone like Grievous who tried to batter away at his enemies' defenses with multiple lightsabers.

I was hoping that the live-action Grievous would be as bad-ass as the Clone Wars cartoon version so imagine my disappointment when Obi-Wan defeated him in a short time in Ep. 3. That's just me, though.

 

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I remember the time when Ep. 1 toys were flying off the shelves. Yet after Ep. 7 and 8 were months gone from the theaters, there were massive stocks of unsold Ep. 7 & 8 figures (Ma-Rey Sue & Rose Tico moreso, I wonder why) just collecting dust while the classic Star Wars characters were, as usual, almost out of stock.

1999 had my room be filled with TPM toys because it was just that hot at the time. It was a classic, in both merchandising and appealing to kids.

I was hoping that the live-action Grievous would be as bad-ass as the Clone Wars cartoon version so imagine my disappointment when Obi-Wan defeated him in a short time in Ep. 3. That's just me, though.

But at least it was according to lore. Grievous had the misfortune of running into a Form 3 master who was great at defensive fighting, AFTER Mace Windu crushed his chest.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

But at least it was according to lore. Grievous had the misfortune of running into a Form 3 master who was great at defensive fighting, AFTER Mace Windu crushed his chest.

My opinion on Grievous would have been better if my first experience was seeing him in Ep. 3 first before the cartoon. He still looks awesome with the ability to wield up to 4 lightsabers, no doubt about it. Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him after Ep. 6.

 

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I seem to remember that in the original Clone Wars canon prior to 2008, Grievous and Kenobi never met before EPIII. Hence why Grievous tells Kenobi that Dooku trained him, and it's also why Kenobi was a surprisingly effective fighter against Grievous, because Grievous hadn't met a master Form 3 combatant prior to ROTS, and Form 3 was really effective against someone like Grievous who tried to batter away at his enemies' defenses with multiple lightsabers.

And yes, the original reason Grievous had a cough was because of what Windu did to him during the Siege of Coruscant; Force-crushing his chest.

It's so strange they went to such lengths to not have Anakin interact with Grievous because of Episode 3, yet didn't give a shit about him interacting with Obi-Wan, when it's obvious in the movie it was their first encounter. And yeah, the ROTS novel explains that well, that Obi-Wans technique is almost purely defensive, while Grievous is almost purely offensive. Not a bad book, if you willfully ignore racist Dooku. But I've perfected willfully ignoring dumb Star Wars shit over 20 years.

My opinion on Grievous would have been better if my first experience was seeing him in Ep. 3 first before the cartoon. He still looks awesome with the ability to wield up to 4 lightsabers, no doubt about it. Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him after Ep. 6.

That's actually how I first saw him, even though I'm well in an age bracket to have seen him in the cartoon first. I just didn't have CN at the time. So I basically went a bit backwards with Grievous. He's still one of my favorite Star Wars characters, even if he's been humiliation ritualed in some media to hell and back. He was actually good again in Tales of the Empire.

 

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It's so strange they went to such lengths to not have Anakin interact with Grievous because of Episode 3, yet didn't give a shit about him interacting with Obi-Wan, when it's obvious in the movie it was their first encounter. And yeah, the ROTS novel explains that well, that Obi-Wans technique is almost purely defensive, while Grievous is almost purely offensive.

They should've done the same thing with Kenobi and Grievous; have Ahsoka or some other Jedi fight him while Kenobi and Anakin could barely catch up. The fact that Grievous fights Kenobi so many times in TCW makes it all the more jarring that he gets his butt kicked by Kenobi in ROTS. You'd think that by that time, Grievous would have developed some resistance to Kenobi's tricks. But if they never met, then yes, it would make sense that Kenobi would kick Grievous' ass rather severely, especially if you add in the 2003 CW animation where Grievous gets Force-crushed by Windu.

Not a bad book, if you willfully ignore racist Dooku. But I've perfected willfully ignoring dumb Star Wars shit over 20 years.

I actually do agree with having Dooku be a bit racist. I mean, all he does most of the time is deal with corrupt alien oligarchs. You see the worst that the non-human world has to give, of course you're going to be more than a bit racist towards them. That, and many upper-class humans in SW were racist towards aliens; remember Leia and her ''walking carpet'' quip towards Chewie. She was one of the good aristocrats, so imagine how someone like Dooku or Tarkin would feel about them.

My opinion on Grievous would have been better if my first experience was seeing him in Ep. 3 first before the cartoon. He still looks awesome with the ability to wield up to 4 lightsabers, no doubt about it. Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him after Ep. 6.

Some were there, like Jerec, Thrawn, Desann, among others. My favorite was Galak Fyyar, especially with how he invented a way to counter the Jedi; if his plan was allowed to cook and go into fruition, he could've revived the Sith Order and brought down the New Republic several decades early. Imagine an army of thousands of Dark Jedi Shadow Troopers scattering all over the galaxy and sneaking into all sorts of places in the New Republic. They can take control of entire warships and even whole fleets, kill important politicians and leaders to destabilize the New Republic, therefore making it easy for the Imperial Remnant to make a comeback and start seizing entire sectors from a crippled enemy, guaranteeing that the war would be short, and it would end with a decisive Imperial victory.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

willfully ignoring dumb Star Wars shit over 20 years.

for me it goes back to the Ewok movies
I don't really remember watching them very clearly, but I remember thinking they sucked
I didn't even know the term "suck" to describe a bad thing, but that space would eventually be identified as "suck"

 

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Some were there, like Jerec, Thrawn, Desann, among others.

Sorry, I was supposed to type "Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him on Ep. 7 and beyond." Brain fart and all that.

Jerec was memorable to me since he was a Dark Jedi, not a Sith yet I'm not sure if Dark Forces 2 did introduce the Dark Jedi concept.