Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

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They should've done the same thing with Kenobi and Grievous; have Ahsoka or some other Jedi fight him while Kenobi and Anakin could barely catch up. The fact that Grievous fights Kenobi so many times in TCW makes it all the more jarring that he gets his butt kicked by Kenobi in ROTS. You'd think that by that time, Grievous would have developed some resistance to Kenobi's tricks. But if they never met, then yes, it would make sense that Kenobi would kick Grievous' ass rather severely, especially if you add in the 2003 CW animation where Grievous gets Force-crushed by Windu

It also has the flaw that so much of Star Wars media seems to have - reusing the same few characters or settings, making the world feel smaller and closed off. All the Jedi Knights in the galaxy, and it was always Obi-Wan and the gang he was running into. Sometimes it's just better to create new characters, and give them some personality, even if they only exist to be murked by Grievous. And yeah, Grievous absolutely, under competent writers, would have learned Obi-Wans tricks. Hell, in the Labyrinth of Evil novel, he does it in real time while dueling Mace on Coruscant. When Mace realizes it, he's basically like "Fuck this, I'm out". The last thing the Jedi needed was Grievous now knowing Vaapad.

That, and many upper-class humans in SW were racist towards aliens; remember Leia and her ''walking carpet'' quip towards Chewie.

A bit racist is fine, but the ROTS novel made it almost comical. I do agree with this comment though, and I wish it was something the media had actually pushed more when the Confederacy was formed. Living in a galaxy where the few at the Core viewed you as lesser than for your species or geographic location would alone give some people incentive to join the CIS.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

That's actually how I first saw him, even though I'm well in an age bracket to have seen him in the cartoon first. I just didn't have CN at the time. So I basically went a bit backwards with Grievous. He's still one of my favorite Star Wars characters, even if he's been humiliation ritualed in some media to hell and back. He was actually good again in Tales of the Empire.

I really need to read these EU stories/ backstories of some Star Wars characters. The one where Luke sides with the Emperor is the one I'm interested un reading aside from Mara Jade's begginings and eventual meeting with Luke.

 

[khaine]

You know that shot of the gas coming out of a vent into the conference room Kenobi and Qui-gon are in? That's the only shot in the entirety of the prequels that had no CGI.

I thought it was the brief shot of them jumping out of the vent after that scene

 

[Caralho]

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Now you leave Thrawn out of this, hasn't he suffered enough already?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Sorry, I was supposed to type "Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him on Ep. 7 and beyond." Brain fart and all that.

Jerec was memorable to me since he was a Dark Jedi, not a Sith yet I'm not sure if Dark Forces 2 did introduce the Dark Jedi concept.

There were Dark Jedi in the comics before him like Lumiya and Sedriss.

It also has the flaw that so much of Star Wars media seems to have - reusing the same few characters or settings, making the world feel smaller and closed off. All the Jedi Knights in the galaxy, and it was always Obi-Wan and the gang he was running into. Sometimes it's just better to create new characters, and give them some personality, even if they only exist to be murked by Grievous. And yeah, Grievous absolutely, under competent writers, would have learned Obi-Wans tricks. Hell, in the Labyrinth of Evil novel, he does it in real time while dueling Mace on Coruscant. When Mace realizes it, he's basically like "Fuck this, I'm out". The last thing the Jedi needed was Grievous now knowing Vaapad.

The old Clone Wars Multimedia project had lots of Jedi characters running around. The focus on Kenobi and Anakin was mostly thanks to TCW and Lucas wanting to focus on them. Also, the idea of Grievous learning Vaapad would've made him unstoppable. Imagine a Grievous who uses that to kill Dooku or Sidious.

A bit racist is fine, but the ROTS novel made it almost comical. I do agree with this comment though, and I wish it was something the media had actually pushed more when the Confederacy was formed. Living in a galaxy where the few at the Core viewed you as lesser than for your species or geographic location would alone give some people incentive to join the CIS.

I mean, if all you deal with 90 percent of the time are corrupt alien oligarchs, you're going to fucking hate them, even if you weren't racist from the start.

I really need to read these EU stories/ backstories of some Star Wars characters. The one where Luke sides with the Emperor is the one I'm interested un reading aside from Mara Jade's begginings and eventual meeting with Luke.

Dark Empire is where Luke teams up with the Emperor for a bit. Interesting story.

 

[Caralho]

There were Dark Jedi in the comics before him like Lumiya and Sedriss.

I'm well on my way at this point but i haven't read everything there is to read but wasn't Lumiya a Sith? I thought her niche was that she was the one to revive the Sith although she clearly wasn't up to the task. Or is that basically the reason why she's considered a Dark Jedi rather than a Sith?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm well on my way at this point but i haven't read everything there is to read but wasn't Lumiya a Sith? I thought her niche was that she was the one to revive the Sith although she clearly wasn't up to the task. Or is that basically the reason why she's considered a Dark Jedi rather than a Sith?

I think she was a Sith, but I know Sedriss is just a Dark Jedi. Also, Lumiya wasn't fully educated as a Sith, only a lackey, so her claim to the Sith title is tenuous at best. She did train a Sith apprentice in Carnor Jax, and Jax had his Imperial deep state pals bribe the Emperor's physician to poison the clones, ending the regime of Emperor Palpatine.

 

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I really need to read these EU stories/ backstories of some Star Wars characters. The one where Luke sides with the Emperor is the one I'm interested un reading aside from Mara Jade's begginings and eventual meeting with Luke.

Dark Empire is the one with Luke and the Emperor. The strongest aspect is the art to me, it's gorgeous. There's some pretty good moments with Luke and Leia too though, I always like when media focuses on their bond, and her Force abilities, instead of just having Leia off doing political things or with Han. And Eclipse class Star Destroyers look so cool.

Honestly a lot of the EU can be a mixed bag, but is pretty solid overall. When it hits, it really hits. Plus, like I mentioned a page back, you can always simply ignore the shit you don't like.

The old Clone Wars Multimedia project had lots of Jedi characters running around. The focus on Kenobi and Anakin was mostly thanks to TCW and Lucas wanting to focus on them. Also, the idea of Grievous learning Vaapad would've made him unstoppable. Imagine a Grievous who uses that to kill Dooku or Sidious.

Yeah, it was definitely one of TCW's many, many, many flaws. The old comics felt much more vast, and even managed to tone down the "Separatists are so ebul guys" crap sometimes, putting it on slightly more equal moral footing to the Republic. I was just looking over the issues with Dass Jenner in them last night, and when he asks Bomo Greenbark why his people sided with the Separatists, and Bomo gets pissed, saying they had no representation in the Republic, and the Republic banned the sale of their one export. Jennir later concedes that he might have fought under those same circumstances.

 

[Zero MK 2]

I'm well on my way at this point but i haven't read everything there is to read but wasn't Lumiya a Sith? I thought her niche was that she was the one to revive the Sith although she clearly wasn't up to the task. Or is that basically the reason why she's considered a Dark Jedi rather than a Sith?

She was basically a combat medic and model jedi along with Barriss up until filoniwars basically rewrote the characters.

You know they never really make a point to show the good side of joining with the CIS. Since the Republic also had arrogant asshole officers who would write off the locals as incompetent too. They were just far less prone to summary executions as a show of force than Dooku and the like.
The separate government technically had a point to putting the outer rim worlds first for once and were united for the first time in galactic history.

They could have co-existed with the Republic had the Jedi not fallen for Palpatine's trap and started the war on Geonosis. Since they ceased to be peacekeepers at that point.

Either way clone stormtroopers or a rapidly growing droid army, the clone wars were rigged. Though imo the battle droids would also have probably faired better against the Vong which was the real purpose behind all that. I mean the more advanced units like Vulture Droids and Droideka Mark 2's. Filoni really didnt do them any justice and from the extended background lore pre-filoniwars, sounded like the clones were about to lose via sheer attrition with the exponentially growing numbers of battle droids until the order to shut down was given on mustafar in ROTS. As they were even bold enough to invade Coruscant enmasse and still have more than enough resources to continue defending their outer rim holdings fiercely. Sure they could win offensive battles but they couldn't hold territory for very long. Like the battle of jabiim vs the outer rim sieges that lasted well into the GCW even in the disney films.

 

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You know they never really make a point to show the good side of joining with the CIS. Since the Republic also had arrogant asshole officers who would write off the locals as incompetent too. They were just far less prone to summary executions as a show of force than Dooku and the like.
The separate government technically had a point to putting the outer rim worlds first for once and were united for the first time in galactic history.

They did have a point, and as far as the story goes, I wish it was focused on more. How can you have "there are heroes on both sides" in a movies opening crawl, and not at least somewhat deliver on that? I've seen people try to go "durrr but Dooku and Grievous and Sidious aren't heroes". No, though a case for the Kaleesh vieweing Grievous as one could be made. Dude literally sold his body and soul to get his planet out of abject poverty. Well, and for the chance to kill Jedi. A case could be made for Dooku, at least early on, and at least Tales of the Jedi tried to paint him a bit more sympathetically from the mustache twirler he was reduced to in TCW. But among the random people who joined, there absolutely would be good people who have valid reasons for leaving the Republic. There was that one episode of TCW that focused on the Separatist council, and I wish we had gotten more of that.

It would have been funny to see a Separatist point out, in universe, that the Republic uses actual living breathing clones of a human being to die, while they use droids.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I thought it was the brief shot of them jumping out of the vent after that scene

It was something vent related. McCallum points it out in the commentary but I'm so lazy.

My opinion on Grievous would have been better if my first experience was seeing him in Ep. 3 first before the cartoon. He still looks awesome with the ability to wield up to 4 lightsabers, no doubt about it. Sadly, I don't see any memorable villains like him after Ep. 6.

Imagine if your first experience was reading about him in Labyrinth of Evil where he was a freaking God of Death who flew around on rocket legs and used his feet to turn himself into a lightsaber pinwheel.

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Honestly a lot of the EU can be a mixed bag, but is pretty solid overall. When it hits, it really hits. Plus, like I mentioned a page back, you can always simply ignore the shit you don't like.

True, at least the EU turned Luke into an older yet powerful Jedi unlike the one we saw in Ep. 8.

Imagine if your first experience was reading about him in Labyrinth of Evil where he was a freaking God of Death who flew around on rocket legs and used his feet to turn himself into a lightsaber pinwheel.

He'd be a Jedi-killing machine further had he mastered Form VII. Then again, who needs lightsaber forms when you can turn into a spinning wheel of death instead?

 

[The Nothingness]

But among the random people who joined, there absolutely would be good people who have valid reasons for leaving the Republic. There was that one episode of TCW that focused on the Separatist council, and I wish we had gotten more of that.

I could have sworn that, before his Disney+ show, Wookiepedo said Andor was originally a Separatist before joining the Rebel Alliance. Either I had a case of the Mandela Effect or his backstory was changed.

 

[Male Idiot]

The PT were flawed but fun. Still leagues ahead of the ST.

George Lucas was a great story maker and world builder, he was just not good at directing and dialogue.

Could the PT been better? Yeah.

But Rebel Moon highlighted this. For all his SLOWMO, Snyder can't write a story to save his hide, and can't world build a sandbox, much less a franchise.

His film is an incoherent mess of KEWL SHOTS! mixed in by a story that is more plothole than actual plot.

Rebel Moon does make the sequels look better, like how aids is better than stage 4 brain cancer.

 

[The Ugly One]

The inability of anyone to write stories any more has made going to the movies utterly uninteresting.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

The inability of anyone to write stories any more has made going to the movies utterly uninteresting.

The problem is is that Star Wars is in a situation where if it does anything new it's going to be too different than what came before and if it stays by rehashing the same vehicles plots Jedi etc etc it's will never do anything new and just eat its own tail till the end of time.

It's another reason why you can't set a new cast of characters in the other side of the Galaxy without having to insert tie fighters Stormtroopers or Jedi in. David Cullen made a good point on his last video saying that if Star Wars was originally a TV series like Star Trek it could do a lot more different things since it doesn't have such a strict Canon thus giving it more freedom to expand on the universe. Star Wars can't do that since everything was all condensed into several feature films that have only a less than broad scope of the world and anywhere going away or back to it will violate plot and established rules already set in place. Say what you want about Star Trek sonar in space in STD but it's at least somewhat relevant to the way the universe works in that one. Adding hyperspeed ramming pretty much destroys all establishment due to how unreal it was and how it opened up a bait shop load of can worms. It's kind of like how you can't just expand upon Middle Earth without it changing the whole over all of the world.

 

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The inability of anyone to write stories any more has made going to the movies utterly uninteresting.

People blame it on wokeshit like muh wahmens or darkies or whatever - and trust me, blackwashing and inserting trannies into movies like they insert themselves into womens bathrooms is nauseating - but I think the core problem is, for the last ten years or so, so much media has been about SuBVeRtInG ExpeCtaTioNs. I don't know where we could pinpoint the start of this trend in popular culture. Maybe Breaking Bad, maybe Game of Thrones? But it's all about writers thinking they can "outsmart" their audience by delivering what is usually the exact fucking opposite of what we want. Sometimes we want the good guy to win, sometimes we want a fucking powerful villain. Sometimes, those old school tropes are just satisfying, and the story can reach a satisfying conclusion by using them. Every piece of media I've viewed where someone has tried to subvert something has failed.

 

[Vining]

 

[Gondolindrim]

The Acolyte shills are getting aggressive. I can't blame them because it looks like normals on Twitter are actually starting to notice that every Star Wars show looks fucking interchangable.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]