“Pro-Pedophile” Activist Group Celebrates As Germany Decriminalizes Child Porn Possession

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Germany’s Parliament (Bundestag) has received the votes necessary to remove a section of the Criminal Code which made the possession of child sexual abuse materials a felony crime. Once the bill, passed last Thursday, comes into effect, minimum sentences for the possession of child pornography will be reduced, and the offense will be downgraded to a misdemeanor.

According to the Bundestag, the bill stipulates that “possession and acquisition should be punishable with a minimum penalty of three months’ imprisonment, and distribution with a minimum penalty of six months’ imprisonment, and distribution with a minimum penalty of six months’ imprisonment. The offenses regulated in Section 184b of the Criminal Code are therefore classified as misdemeanors and not as crimes.”

The possession of child sexual abuse materials was first classified as a crime in 2021 after Federal Justice Minister Christine Lambrecht of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) introduced a minimum sentence of one year for the offense. The move classified the act as a felony, which it remained for three years until this most recent downgrade.

Responding to the passage of the bill, chairman of the association “German Children’s Aid – The Permanent Children’s Representation” (Deutsche Kinderhilfe – Die ständige Kindervertretung), Rainer Becker, pointed out that Germany could violate a directive from the European Union that classifies any child pornographic media as a serious criminal offense with the change to the law.

A statement of opposition was released by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) Christian Social Union of Bavaria (CSU). “The distribution, possession and acquisition of child pornography must, in principle, remain classified as crimes,” reads the declaration.

“Even if the increase in the penalty range in Section 184b of the Criminal Code in 2020 has led to practical problems in certain cases, a blanket reduction in the penalty range is the wrong solution. A change should be limited to the problem cases and solve them effectively. Scientific findings show that if the penalty framework shifts downwards, the penalties imposed in practice also tend to be lower.”

The rationale behind the downgrading of the crime to a misdemeanor included consideration for parents and teachers of children who download the content in order to inform law enforcement. “Such cases have occurred particularly frequently among parents and teachers of older children or young people who found child pornography on them and passed it on to other parents, teachers or the school management to inform them of the problem,” reads Article 1 of the bill.

The legislation continues: “A downgrade to a misdemeanor is also urgently required in order to be able to respond appropriately and with the necessary flexibility to the large proportion of juvenile offenders. Here, too, the perpetrators generally do not act in order to be sexually aroused by the child pornography content, but rather out of a drive typical of the adolescent stage of development, such as naivety, curiosity, thirst for adventure or the desire to impress.”

However, despite acknowledging such circumstances, the bill has not made certain exceptions, but rather downgrades possession of child pornography altogether – a fact that has not gone unnoticed by pro-pedophile campaigners.

The move has already been praised by a notorious German pro-pedophile activist group. Known as Krumme-13, or simply K13, the activist group has been described as a “self-help” organization for “pedosexuals.”

In a blog post written by its founder and dated May 17, K13 laments that “no politician in all factions apologized to the thousands upon thousands of those affected who fell victim” to the 2021 law which had made possession of child sexual abuse materials a felony.

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K13 further advises all visitors to their site to have any relevant defense lawyers “submit applications for stays of proceedings on behalf of their clients in ongoing proceedings,” in order to wait out the period of time until the law goes into effect.

The notorious group was founded by Dieter Gieseking, who has been repeatedly charged with the possession of child pornography.

In 1996, Gieseking was sentenced to eighteen months, for which he served one year in prison, on charges related to operating a mail order child pornography service from a van. In 2003, Gieseking again appeared in court accused of possession of child sexual abuse materials obtained between July 1999 and January 2001. The pornography was found on Gieseking’s computer after a search of his residence in August 2001. His devices contained a total of 216 image files of naked children, and he was sentenced to eight months in prison.

At the time, Gieseking was also accused of linking to a child pornography page on his website. This link was discovered by jugendschutz.net, an organization set up by the federal government to protect minors online.

In a 2014 interview with Taz Online, Gieseking called for lowering the age of consent to 12 years of age, and said that adult sexual interactions with toddlers would have to be “discussed separately.”

“The taboo of pedophilia must finally be broken at all levels of society. If a pedophile can come out without fear of exclusion or even demonization, then this is the best prevention against child abuse,” Gieseking told the outlet.

“For babies and toddlers and elementary school students, the sexual component in such a ‘relationship’ is problematic. This would have to be discussed separately. From a sexual policy perspective, an age of consent (age of consent) of 12 is appropriate and long overdue in today’s enlightened society. There are boys and girls who take the initiative in a friendly and sexual relationship with a pedosexual. Therefore, there is a need for sexual criminal law reform that does justice to everyone involved.”

Through K13, Gieseking and his supporters lobby for lowering the age of consent and legalizing child pornography. K13 also campaigns for decriminalizing sexual relations between adults and children.

“Legalizing clearly self-determined sexuality between older people and those under 14 is the best protection against actual sexual violence against children,” Gieseking wrote in another petition to the government, while calling for the abolition of Sections 176 [Sexual Abuse of Children] and 188 [Dissemination, Acquisition and Possession of Child Pornographic Content] of the legal code.

Gieseking has been lobbying the government for changes to legislation for several years. Last fall, the Bundestag accepted a petition on children’s rights authored by Gieseking which amends Article 6 of the Basic Law to add statements regarding children’s rights, and states that “children should be viewed as legal subjects with their own rights.”

Among the rights listed within the petition’s text is the assertion that children have “the right to have a say in all matters that affect their emotional, mental and physical well-being,” and “the right to the free development of their personality.”

“Sexual self-determination” is included in Article 2 of the Basic Law under the phrase “free development of personality,” a fact that Gieseking made certain to point out to his followers on his website.
 
It would be much better to keep the classification and amend the law to say that discretion is allowed for cases where the image has clearly been sent as informing law authorities, no?
That might be sensible but it is not as clear as you think:

1. Maybe there is more on the device on the Person has just not realized that yet (auto-download from group chat)

2. The person sending it still would need to safely delete the files and this needs to be verified by police, pretty hard over the phone

3. The material itself is not enough anyway, police would still need to come over to inspect the device itself, for metadata for example

The current way people should do is that they are supposed to basically immediately step away from the device, call the police and not touch the device again until police arrives who will most likely confiscate it (which sucks for an innocent witness of course)

However with this way all the above issues are accounted for.
 
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this is what minimum sentence means and why this law was actually garbage and judges and state attorneys were begging to have it removed.
I do not understand why people are sperging about a document that most of you are not even able to read because you do not speak fucking german
I think the sperging is still needed because there has to be a better way to fight this other than "lol, we'll just make child porn possession less of a crime". Seriously. Naturally, innocent people reporting CP shouldn't be arrested, but that's the same over correction in the opposite direction. If I was Germany, I'd try to make some rule where a person who turns it in won't be charged. Provided any background checks come back clean.

"Oh, this guy stumbled across CP? Lets just check his hard drives to be sure. That one website he reported was the only CP he had? Well, his story of stumbling across it is probably true then; investigation over". Something as simple as that would be a better fix. Though, I will agree the title of this thread is alarmist at best.

You have no idea how long trials take in germany, but is a whole other topic
I know this wasn't directed to me, but I did a little research into Germany, and found out things are kinda fucked up over there as far as the legal system is concerned. Of course, no country is perfect.

Edit, I saw your response to the other guy, and it pretty much addresses what I said, too.
 
"The rationale behind the downgrading of the crime to a misdemeanor included consideration for parents and teachers of children who download the content in order to inform law enforcement. “Such cases have occurred particularly frequently among parents and teachers of older children or young people who found child pornography on them and passed it on to other parents, teachers or the school management to inform them of the problem,” reads Article 1 of the bill."


You don't have to download it to inform the police, you can just inform the fucking police. And you don't have to pass it on to other teachers or parents, you can just inform the fucking police.
This is the thing that bugs me the most. All the police have done is given a way for pedophiles to false flag while the rest of the problem remains /exactly/ the same as it used to be prior to the law being implemented.

It's not a defensible position and I don't understand why anyone on any platform is acting like this is a win somehow.
 
Why is this the only site talking about this? Every thing I've looked up about it always links to Reduxx.
It's true, you'd think there'd be more firsthand coverage.

I suspect it's because a) it's very recent b) most of the discussion around it is in German and c) because most people are uncomfortable looking up "Germany child porn laws" on Google. Apparently there is a lot of talk about it in the Deutschsphere.

Beyond the criminal downgrade, how much does it actually affect practical sentencing? From the Bundestag press release they've only reduced minimum sentencing to allow the law to be flexible, but kept the maximum penalties from the 2021 reform that classified CP possession as a felony the first place, correct? As in, it's a half-reversion to 2020 laws?

It's a sensational-seeming story because it naturally is around loosening CP laws, but the pedophile activist groups (as in, people who habitually lie about justifying the virtue of adult-child "relationships") seem to be celebrating over a paper win.

Also, everyone needs to stop using the word 'decriminalization' in this context because it translates as 'made legal' to normies.
 
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Hirschfeld would be proud to hear that Germany has finally taken such a progressive step! Wonderful news for all LGBTQIAP people!
 
"You don't have to download it to inform the police, you can just inform the fucking police. And you don't have to pass it on to other teachers or parents, you can just inform the fucking police.
If you see it on your phone you have already downloaded it onto your phone in most cases
 
Also, everyone needs to stop using the word 'decriminalization' in this context because it translates as 'made legal' to normies.
Weed was made into a misdemeanor then snowballed into decriminalization as it slowly became legal. Would you think that a group of slimy pedos would try to erode the laws further and further just so that they can recreate Weimar in their homeland,
 
Weed was made into a misdemeanor...
That is decriminalization, and the practical effect, if I recall, was it meant many people caught with small amounts of weed were more likely to be booked for a fine they couldn't pay instead of clogging up prison. The point of decriminalization is it makes things easier for the system, not the people caught up in it.

Beyond it being the poster child for personal freedom and choice, the system policing its use was expensive and didn't work, the campaign pushing for its legalization ran hand-in-hand with a push for criminal justice reform and a narrative around racism in policing, weed was legalized because it was seen as harmless and popular. Pedos are not.

What specifically about the Weimar Republic enabled child predation?
 
That might be sensible but it is not as clear as you think:

1. Maybe there is more on the device on the Person has just not realized that yet (auto-download from group chat)

2. The person sending it still would need to safely delete the files and this needs to be verified by police, pretty hard over the phone

3. The material itself is not enough anyway, police would still need to come over to inspect the device itself, for metadata for example

The current way people should do is that they are supposed to basically immediately step away from the device, call the police and not touch the device again until police arrives who will most likely confiscate it (which sucks for an innocent witness of course)

However with this way all the above issues are accounted for.
Ok, again this is logical. Just to clarify, the new way does allow for two ways of dealing with it right? So if we have the dad asked by the police to send the pic and he does, he’s Ok, but if a pedo is caught sending that pic he can’t claim it’s just a misdemeanour? There’s still the ability to prosecute as a criminal act, felony or whatever?
 
I suppose it's more a form of neo-gnosticism, with all human traits being interchangeable, the idea of a tabula rasa (which is also a tranny pedophile for some reason), and the rebellion against any and all forms of normality (queer theory). It's not gnosticism in the strictest sense, but it is in that their beliefs are "reality is bad, natural law and normalcy is bad, these need to be destroyed".
Sounds like your average Hearts of Iron "cursed speedrun" gameplay.
 
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