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This is a common argument I've seen in Synthetic Man's comment section as well as in the comment section of other right wing gaming channels from leftists.

They say it's silly/ignorant to say modern gaming is political/woke and to then idealize older generations of games as being apolitical or non woke.

For example, Fallout 2, you play as a tribesman fighting the US government (which includes them wanting to commit genocide on the planet's population) which is an allegory for Indigenous Americans vs the European US government. Obviously a right wing or even apolitical developer wouldn't do a plot like this. Tim Cain being gay and left wing is often brought up to reinforce this point too. Other examples of this in Fallout would be the criticism of Capitalism as well as allowing gay relationships in Fallout NV.

Another example, a lot of leftists say GTA San Andreas criticizes police brutality and GTA 4 and 5 has a lot of on the nose left wing political satire that you find on the internet and radio in game for example in GTA 5, they say that Republicans make the US unlivable to illegals don't want to move there.

Metal Gear Solid is often brought up in relation tot his point as well, the series is overtly political/"woke" yet from the leftists pov the right wing game is oblivious/ignorant to it.

What is your opinion on this argument and counter argument if you have one?
Let’s just say there’s a bunch of differences in terms of politics implemented in stories and games, but there’s certainly folks that want to say “it’s always political” only meaning it’s the brand of blunt politics causing the ruination of stuff folks used to enjoy, though the vagueness of rightiods definitely cause the left to prop themselves up superior because they love word games.

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This is a common argument I've seen in Synthetic Man's comment section as well as in the comment section of other right wing gaming channels from leftists.

They say it's silly/ignorant to say modern gaming is political/woke and to then idealize older generations of games as being apolitical or non woke.

For example, Fallout 2, you play as a tribesman fighting the US government (which includes them wanting to commit genocide on the planet's population) which is an allegory for Indigenous Americans vs the European US government. Obviously a right wing or even apolitical developer wouldn't do a plot like this. Tim Cain being gay and left wing is often brought up to reinforce this point too. Other examples of this in Fallout would be the criticism of Capitalism as well as allowing gay relationships in Fallout NV.

Another example, a lot of leftists say GTA San Andreas criticizes police brutality and GTA 4 and 5 has a lot of on the nose left wing political satire that you find on the internet and radio in game for example in GTA 5, they say that Republicans make the US unlivable to illegals don't want to move there.

In Elder Scrolls, Leftists also say Vivec in Morrowind was non binary or transgender

Metal Gear Solid is often brought up in relation to this point as well, the series is overtly political/"woke" yet from the leftists pov the right wing game is oblivious/ignorant to it.

What is your opinion on this argument and counter argument if you have one?
Fallout 1/2/New Vegas are good because the absolute control over the story lets you blatantly ignore whatever fag nonsense the devs might’ve implied or put in.

For example, New Vegas is great but Arcade and Ulysses (creator pets) are both trash and since they are mouthpieces, they show something a lot of of people forget, that game devs have always been brainless, autistic code monkeys out of touch with reality.

Fallout 1/2/New Vegas are good in spite of their woke elements, war never changes, it is always badass and cool.
 
Fallout 1/2/New Vegas are good because the absolute control over the story lets you blatantly ignore whatever fag nonsense the devs might’ve implied or put in.
In Fallout 2, you don't have a choice in whether you want to fight the enclave or not. What's the issue with Ulysses? I have't played NV in a while but I don't really recall him being "woke".
 
Chud gamer used to a popular streamer/YouTuber archetype like 7-8 years ago and now Synth is virtually the only one left.

Where did they all go? Banned or did they develop extreme trolls remorse like Idubzzz and become Onlyfans loving cuckholds?
It's a Gundam in his own video on fallout complained about the prevalence of mixed race couples but didn't received any pushback. Sometimes the way Synth frames certain arguments makes it come out as unhinged or as making a different point.
 
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Synth frames certain arguments makes it come out as unhinged or as making a different point.
I did get note Synth can be used as a useful idiot like with Az’s rant with Pronouns in Starfield, basically the target reaction is your real reaction according to leftist ideologues.
 
For example, Fallout 2, you play as a tribesman fighting the US government (which includes them wanting to commit genocide on the planet's population) which is an allegory for Indigenous Americans vs the European US government.
Fallout 1, 2, and 3 are all based on the classic 20th-century ideals of good and evil.
Evil = The Master and the Enclave want to rid the world of genetic impurities. They're a "Nazi" archetype.
Good = The monomyth. A "chosen one" who is some nobody from the boonies rises to the occasion and disrupts the powers that be.
Simple. Straightforward. Ideal.

Fallout New Vegas takes a grittier and more realistic look at the world post-20th-century ideals of good and evil.
With the Master and the Enclave gone, does the world devolve into anarchy?
New Vegas deals with the problem of authority. Who ought to be in charge?
House, NCR, Caesar, or a computer?
In the end, the side you choose invokes introspection.

Obviously a right wing or even apolitical developer wouldn't do a plot like this. Tim Cain being gay and left wing is often brought up to reinforce this point too. Other examples of this in Fallout would be the criticism of Capitalism as well as allowing gay relationships in Fallout NV.
The gays in FNV are matter-of-factly gay. They don't have an agenda behind it. It was just written as part of who they were.
This is the main difference between media of then versus media of now. Arcade and Veronica mention their homosexuality in passing and as per the course of having a casual conversation with them. They don't front-load their identity with it.
 
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For example, Fallout 2, you play as a tribesman fighting the US government (which includes them wanting to commit genocide on the planet's population)
a white tribesman who has his orgin straight up linked to the vault dweller. Also the vault dweller is straight up white and all optional characters in fallout 1 were white. In fallout 2, people argue there is one "mixed race" character but they literally made him a spear chucker and a violent savage. Tribals in fallout is to show how humans never change, also enclave is not entirely the us govt but a part of it which later fallout series royally fucked up.
which is an allegory for Indigenous Americans vs the European US government. Obviously a right wing or even apolitical developer wouldn't do a plot like this. Tim Cain being gay and left wing is often brought up to reinforce this point too. Other examples of this in Fallout would be the criticism of Capitalism as well as allowing gay relationships in Fallout NV.
It can be an allegory about the biblical atpry of goliath and david, the allegory part is all upto you what you want to think and go with. This is the same where you kill children, and join a slaving guild. It has no politics or a deeper dive into it like disco elysium does. Even disco ekysium does not takes politics seriously. No one with a sound mind does, because politics is nlthing but a complex emotion you bare theough your experiences. In the end all govt are evil.

Tim caine is not the producer, you can check the wiki and see who wrote it and who had their brains into it. Tim caine is a programmer who san an oppurtunity for a wasteland game and after he did, he washed off. In his top rpgs of all time he mentions all modern rpgs like fucking elden ring and baldur gate 3, those who played baldur gate would know by the game sucks in act 3. So his opinion and creativity is the question.

Read chris avellone review on the fallout show, he desperatly wanted to shit on it but he has enough enemies to deal with. He himself said that fallout was never about capitalism, i request you to again play the games. Fallout does not even once critices capitalism because how will they when the whole pre war setting is literally one on one depiction of the coldwar era? I dont how anyone came to that conclusion when i played the games even if i read between the lines i saw nothing mentioning capitalism? Vault tech is not a company by company defination and was under Enclave which used vat enclave to carry human experimentations to create a successful colony in space.

Infact one can easily argue that the reason why humans are even alive after getting nuked well its because of capitalism and capitalistic endevours and products like microfusion, nuclear bunkers, fusion cells, mr handys, eyebots etc.
Another example, a lot of leftists say GTA San Andreas criticizes police brutality and GTA 4 and 5 has a lot of on the nose left wing political satire that you find on the internet and radio in game for example in GTA 5, they say that Republicans make the US unlivable to illegals don't want to move there.
Gta san andreas....the same game where the fucking cia guy makes you fly a warplane and shoot missles at some "communist ships" so you can free your brother. Gta 4 is completely a pre 2010 HBO or AMD writing with its own flaws, where main story does not has any mention of leftist stench. And gta is never taken to be seriously, again its a staire of the current state of usa at that time. The game still uses a lot of slurs and even mocks a black guy thinking an arab is his brother.
In Elder Scrolls, Leftists also say Vivec in Morrowind was non binary or transgender
Never played elder scrolls but isnt he a fucking god?
Metal Gear Solid is often brought up in relation to this point as well, the series is overtly political/"woke" yet from the leftists pov the right wing game is oblivious/ignorant to it.
Never play msg so i cant put my 2 cents.
What is your opinion on this argument and counter argument if you have one?
Stop taking politics seriously, time change
 
In Elder Scrolls, Leftists also say Vivec in Morrowind was non binary or transgender
Vivec's whole shtick is that he wants to transcend all boundaries - male/female, Dunmer/Chimer, hero/villain etc.

Metal Gear Solid is often brought up in relation to this point as well, the series is overtly political/"woke" yet from the leftists pov the right wing game is oblivious/ignorant to it.
MGS is "woke" in the original meaning of the term, before the modern fag left co-opted it. So-called "conspiracy theorists" on both the Left and the Right used to say "stay woke", as in "open your eyes to what the fuck's actually going on, how corrupt the system is, how hard the corporations are fucking you up the ass" etc.
 
MGS is "woke" in the original meaning of the term, before the modern fag left co-opted it. So-called "conspiracy theorists" on both the Left and the Right used to say "stay woke", as in "open your eyes to what the fuck's actually going on, how corrupt the system is, how hard the corporations are fucking you up the ass" etc
Nah, apart from a generic "nuclear weapons bad" message MGS is a mismatch of things Kojima saw in movies and anime that he thought was cool and mushed together.

If you try and actually cobble a coherent political ideology from MGS you'll sound like an insane person.
 
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Gta san andreas....the same game where the fucking cia guy makes you fly a warplane and shoot missles at some "communist ships" so you can free your brother. Gta 4 is completely a pre 2010 HBO or AMD writing with its own flaws, where main story does not has any mention of leftist stench. And gta is never taken to be seriously, again its a staire of the current state of usa at that time. The game still uses a lot of slurs and even mocks a black guy thinking an arab is his brother.
What do you think of these videos saying that GTA 4 and 5 have anti capitalist messages? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8chqgtKuVY

 
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