Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

In my younger days it wasn’t totally abnormal for a guy to wear nail polish in the metal or indie scenes, they did it to appeal to women too.

A bearded guy in a dress back then was trying to get the attention of art school chicks and not a weird autistic sex pest who thought he was a woman.

I’d go with this guy being the former rather than the latter.
 
This too; how many boys tried nail polish and it wasn't a problem (other than maybe some peer bullying), or little girls who had a shirtless phase? It's still just as innocent, but all it takes is one sanctimonious parent who wants a brave trans child...
So many parents turn their kids into trophies. At least when I was a kid, parents boasted of their kids being a star football player, or academically gifted. Parents may have taken pride in their kids, but they also pushed their kids to achieve in some way, so the kids could also be proud of what they had accomplished, and hopefully be set up for a lifetime of success.

Now these same parents use their kids as a prop to show how enlightened they are, and expect and receive kudos for putting their children on irreversible puberty blockers and sterilizing them, and the kid goes along with it because they don't know any better and don't understand what they are signing up for. And unlike "study hard at school" which will pay off, transitioning will not.

A lot of these kids are autistic, which is hereditary. This is eugenics, and if it was up to me, they'd be in the same trials as the doctors.
 
This too; how many boys tried nail polish and it wasn't a problem (other than maybe some peer bullying), or little girls who had a shirtless phase? It's still just as innocent, but all it takes is one sanctimonious parent who wants a brave trans child...
Which is why I continue to pray that lawmaking bodies will continue to push against kids getting surgery and puberty blockers at an age where they barely know basic biology, let alone being able to make an informed decision to undergo surgery and pump their still-developing bodies full with unnatural hormones that are only bound to destroy them as they grow older.
I didn't mean to say you were overreacting about beardo; this guy is aware of his peers and knowingly dogwhistling trans stuff.
Oh no, no worries. I agree with you fully. Little Troon Mills is a ticking bomb before he shaves his beard and goes "she/her" or some shit.

If he's in a tranny choir already, I kinda doubt the foreshadowing can get any more glaring.
He's either on the fence or waiting for the right moment to disclose a decision he's already made.
Watch him release a song on that tranny choir channel with a song about how stunning and brave he is.
I think it's because troons move people who wanna act a bit faggy into transgenderism.
Unfortunately not only faggy. Anything that's a tiny bit outside the most stereotypical of behaviors for men and women.

"Oh you're a girl who doesn't wear makeup or care about fashion? You're a trans man"
"No? But you don't like pink. Transmasc then. But are you sure, you're not an egg?????"

Yes. Fuck off and fuck you.

It is frustrating being a tomboy or a fruity fag these days.

In my younger days it wasn’t totally abnormal for a guy to wear nail polish in the metal or indie scenes, they did it to appeal to women too.
It's still a thing in scene/emo/punk subcultures. And I don't have an issue with that at all. Generally, nail polish is really just an accessory.
If you're not unconditionally agreeing with them on everything, they'll either scold you or distance themselves entirely from you and hang out with their echo chamber.
For more information, see JKR.

According to them, you are apparently committing a hate crime if you buy her books.

Sure, cunt.
 
So many parents turn their kids into trophies. At least when I was a kid, parents boasted of their kids being a star football player, or academically gifted.
Football playing or homework-doing requires effort from the kid (and sustained attention from the parent). Trans just requires the kid to hold still while things are done to them, and photos are taken.
 
you can groom adults the sooner this unholy shit will stop.
People know this is true when it comes to cults and financial scammers but still the normie is immunized against all redpills. Trans is a cult, deserves that seriousness, Heaven's Gate aside most cults don't even require physical mutilation so Trans really ranks pretty high comparatively in potential for harm to its victims and deprogramming someone from gender ideology would be the exact same process as deprogramming someone from any harcore new age cult.

Gender ideology itself 100% just a faith based belief to begin with and they have the structure and institutions of an organized religion except most cults don't even have the reach the transgenda does, Osho or Jehovas Witnesses can't proselytize in public school , LGBT. The moonies only dream they had the same amount of media reach and institutional power that LGBT does and those people somewhat run a whole country.
 
Yes, you can groom adults and the sooner people start admitting that you can groom adults the sooner this unholy shit will stop.
They do admit it, as long as you're talking about any other cult than the troon. Of course, the tendency now is to deny the existence of grooming in its entirety, which has placed them in the position of no longer being able to fully articulate how dangerous cults attract and indoctrinate new members. Anything they use to describe the process so closely parallels trans indoctrination that it becomes impermissible to speak of it. I fully expect to see a movement advocating for acceptance of cults as a valid expression of personal preference.
 
Second time I’ve said this on here in the last month, not to armchair diagnose, but go and read up about pure O form of OCD and see if you think it’s useful for you. I’m glad you got out of all this.
Sorry this is pretty late. Regardless, I actually am diagnosed! I wasn't at the time, though, but I'd displayed very severe signs of it over morality and "thought crimes" in the past. Not even my old troon friends who knew about it considered anything was abnormal. That mental health condition in particular is very, very good at making you imagine things that aren't there. You think about bottom dysphoria and how you should have a dick, constantly research and read about it; you're looking just about everywhere for absolute proof, and your brain concocts a sensation where you imagine a dick would be. Then you fall down a rabbit hole of reading and proving it's all real, while at the back of your head you're screaming that all of it feels wrong.

You know, logically, it's going to destroy your health. Because you've experienced problems with synthetic hormones in the past and you can't trust them. So then it riles up your health-related obsessive thoughts, and you're all the way back at square one. ("Wait, doesn't that mean I'm transphobic because I think HRT would be dangerous? Am I a monster, then? What if everyone I know somehow susses me out? Am I one of those transphobic trans men like everyone says JK Rowling is?")

Having people say that merely thinking you're trans makes you trans never helped. Alongside "if you were on an island, all on your own, would you press the button to become a man?" The process of deciding you were trans was always some strange thought experiment that could easily entrap those with obsessive, spiraling patterns of thought. The autistic as well, especially when plenty of autists have OCD.


Anyway. A tranny I'm stuck associating with heard me complain about having trouble finding local lesbians. The freak decided to say he'd put on a wig and shave his whole body and that'll solve the problem. To call me tired of this would be a severe understatement. And of course, my brother is now dating a severely mentally ill tranny again.
 
Having people say that merely thinking you're trans makes you trans never helped. Alongside "if you were on an island, all on your own, would you press the button to become a man?" The process of deciding you were trans was always some strange thought experiment that could easily entrap those with obsessive, spiraling patterns of thought. The autistic as well, especially when plenty of autists have OCD.
Don't get me started on OCD.......... I have it and I can't stand how many times people have brought up the whole "are you sure youre not trans?" thing. No, I am not sure. That is the problem. I am never sure.

KF helps a lot. If you ever have those thoughts, just browse Stinkditch for awhile. Snaps you out of things. Stay away from social media too.
 
Don't get me started on OCD.......... I have it and I can't stand how many times people have brought up the whole "are you sure youre not trans?" thing. No, I am not sure. That is the problem. I am never sure.

KF helps a lot. If you ever have those thoughts, just browse Stinkditch for awhile. Snaps you out of things. Stay away from social media too.
Hilariously, I've been using that strategy for months now. And one of the biggest things: historical revisionism. I'm someone who VERY strongly believes in preserving history accurately. These people knowingly engage in the opposite. So, my autistic obsession with that also helps to overpower it.
 
Finally have my first person to keep an eye on.

High school friend on Facebook posted a picture of a “trans people deserve to exist” bumper sticker. The other tell was the cracked black nail polish on his hand holding the sticker…

Bless him, he’s over 6 foot tall, solid, and a bit of a neck beard. No chance in ever passing. I hope the poor bastard didn’t get his egg cracked.
 
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My younger cousin trooned out. Changed her name, started going by he/they and dating a hulking brickhon in his 30’s that has not one, but two divorces under his belt. I’ve always known she was susceptible to gender faggotry as her parents let her cut her hair to a short pixie cut in middle school and dyed it teal whilst she had unsupervised internet access- which she used to talk to strangers over roleplay websites and is active in the cosplay scene. Her parents are conservative yet allow this shit to happen in their own fucking home and use all her preferred shit. I was really close to her growing up and to this day she still idolizes me, which Is something I’ve tried to use in order to talk some sense into her- delicately, of course. I don’t want to label her a lost cause, but she’s not going to snap out of it unless her buffalo bill boyfriend hurts her, and even then I’m not so sure. All of her instagram stories are nothing but tranny/sex work/libfem worship shit. even talking to her parents has just gotten me told off for being too harsh on their only child. like whatever i feel like I’m the only one who’s actually not turning a blind eye to how bad this shit is getting. She’s already not going to college, a trade school, and works some minimum wage job that she complains incessantly about despite having a scholarship and 4.0 gpa
lined up. what a fucking waste.
 
My younger cousin trooned out. Changed her name, started going by he/they and dating a hulking brickhon in his 30’s that has not one, but two divorces under his belt.
You can't save her from troonery, but maybe send her those stories about stunning and brave transmen who were failed by the system because nobody told them HRT wasn't birth control. The Incredible Hon sounds like someone who knows how to babytrap.
 
I don't think there's anything I can do to help this child, so I guess this is more venting than anything else.
I'm late, but for you and anyone reading who is in a similar position: it's okay to cut people off for the sake of your own mental well-being. You cannot help everyone, but you can protect yourself. Personally, I would not be able to remain in contact with this person knowing that there was nothing I could do to help her son. At some point, you have to stop doing the thing that hurts you. It wouldn't make you a bad person to not talk to her anymore. Jesus Christ, what a grim situation.
 
You can't save her from troonery, but maybe send her those stories about stunning and brave transmen who were failed by the system because nobody told them HRT wasn't birth control. The Incredible Hon sounds like someone who knows how to babytrap.
This absolutely will be my next course of action. She’s terrified about getting pregnant but does the most retarded thing ever and sleeps with a dude anyway. Last time I checked dollar store eyeliner and party city wigs don’t equate to a vasectomy but here we are anyway. I cannot believe this grown ass woman sometimes.
 
This absolutely will be my next course of action. She’s terrified about getting pregnant but does the most retarded thing ever and sleeps with a dude anyway. Last time I checked dollar store eyeliner and party city wigs don’t equate to a vasectomy but here we are anyway. I cannot believe this grown ass woman sometimes.
The other thing I would do is encourage her to pursue a form of secondary education, be it trade or college like you said. If she's not going right away, ask her why and see if you can help sort out her feelings and point her in the direction of forming a plan for herself later if she would like to jump into something. Sometimes people need to mature more before they do anything, and it isn't bad they don't go right away. Sometimes it's being mislead by a retarded friend group, but that's much harder to counter. I always encourage some form of higher learning to establish financial independence better from a spouse or partner.

Otherwise, yeah, I'm on the feel free to cut her off for your own mental health train. Sorry to hear you lose someone like that. :(

Parents may have taken pride in their kids, but they also pushed their kids to achieve in some way, so the kids could also be proud of what they had accomplished, and hopefully be set up for a lifetime of success.
I'm going to interject that parents could set their kids up for a lifetime of success but not because they want their child to be happy, but so they can gloat about it or leech off the benefits later. Wanting your kid to be independent and successful in a field you don't have to worry about them in isn't bad, but trying to live through that kid or using their accomplishment of getting on the football team AND a scholarship to gloat to that son of a bitch coworker that you are better than him is pain. Sure, someone can turn out to be a good doctor or get a lot of friends doing soccer, but some will be miserable because they felt forced into it or they knew their parents didn't love them, just the bragging rights.

But as you said, having your kid become trans doesn't even help them in the long run. It's even worse than beauty pagents and acting/viral sensation, at least those two have a lesser chance of permanent body damage. At least the kids forced to be successful will more likely have the funding or the friendship group to help them out of it.
 
I'm late, but for you and anyone reading who is in a similar position: it's okay to cut people off for the sake of your own mental well-being. You cannot help everyone, but you can protect yourself. Personally, I would not be able to remain in contact with this person knowing that there was nothing I could do to help her son. At some point, you have to stop doing the thing that hurts you. It wouldn't make you a bad person to not talk to her anymore. Jesus Christ, what a grim situation.
He's fucked. There's already a very high probability of FAS in this child. Even without surgery and drugs (which at this time she's not inclined towards, though it would be years from now, anyway) social transition is almost certainly psychologically damaging.
Letting kids be different? Fine.
Telling kids that because they are different they must be the opposite sex? Demented.
Advising your older kid about safe sex and boundaries? Makes sense.
Teaching them about prostate stimulation? Perverted.
Allowing your daughter to get that buzz cut she's been wanting? Supportive parenting.
Telling your daughter the child you had is dead and this new male persona she invented for her friends has taken her place? Devil worship.

After finding I strongly disagreed with transitioning her son in any way as well as my distaste with the impact this ideology is having on public policy, she told me she would prefer to come to her own opinions on it. Which means I need to not talk about it (fair enough), but uncritical viewing of tiktok will certainly continue. Sadly, this site makes one accustomed to seeing people ruin their own life and the lives of others, so I'm going to continue to observe on social media. I await that sad day when she says "I have a new daughter!" and hope it coincides with a day I can call CPS for the same reason.
 
Three years ago, my closest friend of 20 years decided to return to higher educated to fulfill career goals and pursue their master's degree at a local university, and moved back in with his parents to focus on the venture full time.

About six months in, he, out of nowhere, called me up to tell me that he was questioning his gender identity. This was pretty odd and considerably surprising, given that he never once hinted at being uncomfortable or insecure with his gender or sexuality. I wasn't quite sure how to approach this but didn't want to seem unsupportive, but I still got a weird feeling about this revalation.

When we first talked about it, I pressed him a bit to shed some light on what led him to feel this way. He threw out a few generic answers like "I always felt this way, I dunno" but then he eventually conceded that he felt like he "wasn't physically attractive as a male" and thought he'd be more "physically attractive as a female".

Though I thought this was odd and in hindsight, fairly narcissistic, I felt as though maybe I was being too judgmental and that it was his life and his body, and didn't want to argue with him any further and seem like I was being unsupportive. At the time I hadn't hit peak trans, so I just tried to reassure him that he would always be my friend regardless of whether they were man or woman, but, that they were fine the way they were and to strongly reconsider that maybe other solutions are available to help with their self-esteem and identity as an individual, and to also reckon with the permanence of such a decision and evaluate whether or not it would truly make them happy.

He was content with my response for a bit before he said he was just depressed and didn't know what he wanted, and admitted he was getting ahead of himself, so he would remain male but considered themselves non-binary.
While I chalked it up to a combination of curiosity, maybe some kind of weird identity crisis that would resolve on its own, and likely a little stress for good measure, I realized that my words fell on deaf ears pretty quickly.
He announced to me a few weeks later that he'd be starting HRT and transitioning and the decision was final. Our friends had mixed reactions (some was half-hearted YAAAS KWEEEN shit, some indifferent, but most of us were worried that this was suspiciously drastic and out of the fucking blue) and began asking questions, but started second guessing ourselves when he began pushing back and getting angry that we weren't being more supportive, and that this was "his future" and to not "stand the way".

Fast forward to present day, he lives with his folks still but abandoned his degree plans entirely. We've grown distant and I tried to keep in touch but we no longer have anything in common, and our mutuals don't have the patience to listen to him talk about his struggles as a trans woman. He hasn't scheduled surgery yet but AFAIK is still on HRT and presenting as female but flip flopping on pronouns. I don't know if he's working.

He pissed off one of our friends last year and they stopped talking because he showed up to her bridal shower in what was, apparently, a revealing pink negligee-type slip dress in front of her family and didn't realize it was lingerie (allegedly) and inappropriate to wear as outerwear, and was drinking a shit ton and just overall really embarrassing.

He told a mutual that he "has plans" to move out west and pursue acting and start a weed farm, and I don't know where the actual fuck this came from but it isn't the kid I knew. I'm sure I'll find out down the line that this was all trauma related somewhere but his personality and character changed so rapidly, I am convinced he had a psychotic break or maybe fell victim to brainwashing somewhere. The other day I learned about "twink death" and wondering if he just got anxious about losing his looks with age and it sent him over the edge, but I don't know.

I'm hoping he snaps out of it but I'm not hopeful and nobody else really is either. We feel bad for the way things are going, but we've tried making efforts to intervene on our end which have gone nowhere, and asked his parents to help with getting him seen by someone, but they're not having much success either.

Totally not a mental illness though
 
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This too; how many boys tried nail polish and it wasn't a problem (other than maybe some peer bullying), or little girls who had a shirtless phase? It's still just as innocent, but all it takes is one sanctimonious parent who wants a brave trans child...
I did this once when I was in high school as an attempt to look "punk," and my friends teased me and told me I looked like "the goth kid from South Park". Went home from school, used nail polish remover, never had any desire to try it again. Not enough people have these low-stakes lessons learned any more!
 
Not enough people have these low-stakes lessons learned any more!
A neuron fired and I remembered the perfect inadvertent metaphor for a modern little boy caught playing with Mom's makeup:
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