Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Gingervitis]

The signs were pretty obvious, the biggest red flag being how his relationship with porn went from “relatively” tame an outright addiction.

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say it started around 2020-22, when the scamdemic lockdown was in full swing.

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll see more of these in the coming few years. I know at least one FtM irl (I think I talked about her) and at least 3 old MtF RP partners from back in the day that trooned out during or after that time period.

 

[Poonocchio]

⁹It sounds like you're thinking of transgenderism through the same lens one might view pedophilia.

Thanks for the reply. Not especially, all I was thinking was similar vein to someone obsessing over being gay with HOCD (homosexuality being just as if not more accepted). Surely if the entire process causes distress they wouldn't dive into it? Like, it's not going to cure the distress engaging in homosexual acts, it would make it worse thinking you enjoy it. The very definition of OCD is that the thoughts cause distress.. I'm just unsure engaging in the behaviour wouldn't cause a serious spiral if the urges were caused by OCD.

I may be misreading so apologies, and not sure if I got my point across properly, I sleep now.

Edit phone borked mid reply.

 

[Dr Slump]

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say it started around 2020-22, when the scamdemic lockdown was in full swing.

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll see more of these in the coming few years. I know at least one FtM irl (I think I talked about her) and at least 3 old MtF RP partners from back in the day that trooned out during or after that time period.

You’re completely correct. Before the lockdowns here, he was very sociable and appeared just like any other nerdy white guy. Porn completely consumed his life. Any conversation I try to have with him to maybe get a crumb of understanding devolves into “why don’t I have tits yet”.

 

[Gingervitis]

You’re completely correct. Before the lockdowns here, he was very sociable and appeared just like any other nerdy white guy. Porn completely consumed his life. Any conversation I try to have with him to maybe get a crumb of understanding devolves into “why don’t I have tits yet”.

Honestly- and assuming you’re a woman, as most posters other than myself are- maybe I’m speaking as someone who’s still not completely well after those years, but I feel like it’s very difficult for a guy to talk to a woman about what’s wrong. You might need to enlist one of his (hopefully non-degenerate, non-leftist) guy friends to help.

 

[Dr Slump]

Honestly- and assuming you’re a woman, as most posters other than myself are- maybe I’m speaking as someone who’s still not completely well after those years, but I feel like it’s very difficult for a guy to talk to a woman about what’s wrong. You might need to enlist one of his (hopefully non-degenerate, non-leftist) guy friends to help.

Thank you for the advice, I appreciate you taking the time out to reply. You are correct, outside of his girlfriend, I’m the only other woman out of our friend group. Unfortunately, they all lean very left outside of one other person that he isn’t that close to. I’m at the point where I try to steer clear of any trans talk as of late. It’s a continuous cycle of him complaining about not passing, yet refusing to do anything that may help. I genuinely believe he just has undiagnosed autism, but sadly, some shitty doctor saw moneybags and put him on all sorts of meds.

I pray this is just a phase, but it seems like every other AGP. He’s borderline skinwalking his girlfriend, that shit concerns me more than anything.

 

[Gingervitis]

Thank you for the advice, I appreciate you taking the time out to reply. You are correct, outside of his girlfriend, I’m the only other woman out of our friend group. Unfortunately, they all lean very left outside of one other person that he isn’t that close to. I’m at the point where I try to steer clear of any trans talk as of late. It’s a continuous cycle of him complaining about not passing, yet refusing to do anything that may help. I genuinely believe he just has undiagnosed autism, but sadly, some shitty doctor saw moneybags and put him on all sorts of meds.

I pray this is just a phase, but it seems like every other AGP. He’s borderline skinwalking his girlfriend, that shit concerns me more than anything.

I don’t know what to do next then, unfortunately. I might have better advice if I knew him, but as-is, the only thing I can think of is to hope for his family to be normal and able to talk some sense into him

 

[Lavender Moth]

Thanks for the reply.

Lol, no worries! Something I truly adore about KF if that we can actually have a civil and interesting convo about this stuff where we can bounce ideas off of each other.

Surely if the entire process causes distress they wouldn't dive into it?

The thing about OCD is, in addition to repetitive & distressing thoughts (obsessions), OCD includes repetitive physical actions that are typically nonsensical, harmful, and/or distressful that are driven by the thoughts (compulsions). The "OCD logic" of this is often, "I NEED to do this self-destructive thing, because the imagined consequences of NOT doing it will be worse." Using myself as an example, I used to wash my hands until the skin would slough off and bleed profusely. This was extremely painful and self-destructive, but the idea of Evil Germs on my hands was even worse.

However, mulling this over, I do think it's completely possible (if not highly probable) that you could end up with OCD that manifests in the way you're describing (someone whose obsessions and compulsions revolve around proving how much they aren't a troon). I think we just don't hear about these people because...honestly, if I were the loved one, I would feel relieved, as self-centered as that sounds. Even though there is obvious "OCD logic" making the person suffer, it's a bit like the proverbial stopped clock -- the patient is insane for being obsessed with not being a troon, but at least they're sane enough to know they are not a troon. It's far less stressful for the family than actually trooning, and I'd say that level of OCD is easily fixed with some good meds and a hearty combo of DBT & CBT. They would be explicitly stating they are not a troon, so I suspect their therapist would be allowed to treat them properly too, instead of being gag ordered into affirmation. Thus, we don't end up hearing those stories as much as we hear the other end of the spectrum.

I'm just unsure engaging in the behaviour wouldn't cause a serious spiral if the urges were caused by OCD.

Sad thing is, the pooning/trooning is the beginning of the spiral. The OCD sufferers who hop onto this will most likely end up either 41%-ing or detransitioning. Their logic is fairly similar to the "omg I had intrusive thoughts about jumping off a cliff, I must be suicidal!" OCD intrusive thinking. "Omg if I don't transition, I will lose control and kms!"

 

[El-ahrairah]

It's a pity, if he started hitting the gym at nearly 7 feet and 300 pounds he'd get fucking jacked the increased Testosterone from hammering the gym would help his mood and his confidence too.

I have suggested this for years and he hates the idea. I did get him to start bicycling, though and that will help some, I'm sure. The coordination involved alone should make a big difference.

You're made to work in farm/factory and be the pride of your father not play in a dress my dude.

He would be the finest barn-raiser in the county.

except I bet the kid hates that his body is big and designed to be a powerhouse, especially if he's carrying a history of being abused or intimidated by big people

Everything you said is true and you're dead on about this one. His father and his entire bloodline on that side are all gigantic, insane people with rage issues. Including the grandmother he lives with.

I think the advice you gave me is the most helpful and applicable so far and I really appreciate the time you took to write it out. I'll do my best for him, no matter what happens. I will not do anything to enable or encourage him in that direction. He deserves better from me than cowardice.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Family BBQ the other week. My nephew is still wearing dresses. He constantly plays mobile dress-up games on whatever mobile devices he can bet his hands on. I saw him doing some weird fashion cat-walk strut when he thought nobody was watching. His parents say they have no idea what to do to stop it, but they keep buying him more dresses. If I see it again, I'm going to sit him down and talk to him, because he's clearly not getting the male input he needs on this.

 

[deermeat]

Family BBQ the other week. My nephew is still wearing dresses. He constantly plays mobile dress-up games on whatever mobile devices he can bet his hands on. I saw him doing some weird fashion cat-walk strut when he thought nobody was watching. His parents say they have no idea what to do to stop it, but they keep buying him more dresses. If I see it again, I'm going to sit him down and talk to him, because he's clearly not getting the male input he needs on this.

Well it could be worse, at least they're not claiming he must be a girl. I dont see much harm in what hes doing other than his parents buying him the dresses, like sure he could play dress up and all that but surely they must know the social consequences? Surely someone must teach him that sometimes its best to prevent doing things like that out in public due to bullying and all that. Your family seems pretty put together so do yourself and your family a favor and intervene. Dont sit down to "talk" to him, be a role model. Tak him out to go do masculine things. Take him fishing, go hiking, introduce him to racing and sports, let him feel rowdy. Introduce him to stuff like building things, computers, etc.
A lot of men I feel like think they can simply talk to younger boys, instead of demostrating. Then they wonder why their kids rebel. Its why even if the father doesnt leave, if hes simply does the bare mimnium as a father his son is going to seek other male infliuences who lead by example.

Spoiler: my own expereince with something similar

Anyways your post reminded me of my own nephew. His mom is trooning him out and hes like, 6. It was actually the thing that made me cut complete contact with my family. My family has a whole host of problems, and I was never close to anyone because thats how dysfunctional it was. Its shit like this where I just tell myself that Im an orphan and my whole family is dead because Id rather have them all be dead than be the mess they are now. Its one thing after the other. Doesnt help that his father did some not so great things to me when younger and they have a daughter too. Freaking..... Scary. Dude they are gonna be future rapists or serial killers. Its crazy to think almost every family member I know, I wouldnt be surprised if they commited murder. Theres only ONE that I feel like wouldnt do anything malicious, but would simply have a mentsl breakdown and do something bad to himself.

Everytime I was around the troon nephew and my niece, they came across creepy. They were just so apathetic and matter-of-fact with the way they presented themselves, not robotic but not as kid-like as the others around them. I feel bad obviously but its these situations where you gotta accept theyre lost causes. Their mother is equally schizo, especially since its the mother thats the only primarily dressing their son up like a femboy. CPS dont care so theres nothing you can do.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

I’m gonna take a wild guess and say it started around 2020-22, when the scamdemic lockdown was in full swing.

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll see more of these in the coming few years. I know at least one FtM irl (I think I talked about her) and at least 3 old MtF RP partners from back in the day that trooned out during or after that time period.

This is definitely a thing. The trans refugee pooner in my life has said similar more than once about how watching RuPaul’s Drag Race non stop during the pandemic made her “realize” she was trans. She also claimed that she knew several other trannies (online, I’m sure) that experienced similar, and more than one person in various Stinkditch threads have said that they were groomed or almost were on Discord during the pandemic. The isolation and boredom created during lockdown really fucked with so many people’s minds to the point of warping them. Especially if most of their time is then spent on porn or gender bending shit like drag. I’m not against gender non conformity but the way something like drag twists it should’ve stayed niche at best.

My wife’s situation has been mostly stable, although during a particularly anxious moment a couple weeks ago she lamented that since she now has “trans” on her medical record that she’s more susceptible to being administered stuff like hormones despite not wanting it. “If I don’t want T and the therapy isn’t helping, what the hell is going to happen?!” She also expressed concern for my well being since I refuse to take HRT whenever I become peri/menopausal because I still have my ovaries after my hysterectomy (and ovary failure a couple years post op is very common). I never reacted well to hormonal birth control so I’d imagine that it would only make things worse for me. Whatever happens, happens. “But it’s supposed to be therapy, yeah?!” I think she’s slowly realizing just what a fucked up situation she put herself in. Fuck the quacks that worsened her anxiety and body image.

Shortly after this, her computer failed. She refuses to use clouds or her phone for most things, so she was cut off from most of her routine for a few days as it got repaired. Despite being obviously anxious about everything being out of whack, I noticed a subtle yet still obvious change in her behavior. She had been more like her usual self lately since the past month, but she was even more affectionate and level headed than she had been since the diagnosis. Fewer panic attacks, that sort of thing. She’s mostly that after her computer came back, but it’s like she had a minor form of deprogramming? I don’t know. Maybe I’m just overthinking things. Just “feels” different, y’know?

 

[Guutom Rainne]

Some years back I had a friend who had became a trans (ftm) sometime after her transition, things went 180 down south, fast, she became more of a bitch and would talk about her fake dick, she acted as if she was better than our friend group cause she was in college and studying psychology. I had official cut ties with her after she ruined my friendship with a person I was friends with for ten years.

I nearly lost my niece to the trans community, but thankfully she got help with a professional therapist and I rather she be a pansexual than a trans person who hates everything about themselves that even transitioning didn't help them.

 

[Procrastinhater]

The isolation and boredom created during lockdown really fucked with so many people’s minds to the point of warping them.

It must have been weird as hell living in cities during the lockdown.
I'm a country boy, we hardly noticed, it was just like a long holiday, we certainly weren't stuck in the house, we just did the shit we'd usually do on days with no work, take care of the animals, then fishing, swimming hunting, fucking around on ATV's or boats BBQ etc. There was no cops patrolling country roads and fields and creeks to tell people to get back indoors.

Cabin fever is a real phenomenon, people don't do well psychologically being trapped indoors with the same people, and even worse isolated themselves.
I'm not surprised weeks of being locked down drove some people a bit stir crazy. I mean going so fucking wacko you decide you're a cute animu princess and you should cut your dick off is going a bit far though.

 

[Am I Very Wrong]

I told my cousin (genderspecial) that a cat i thought was a female is actually a castrated male. She said jokingly (i wanna give her benefit of the doubt) that he's trans.
What the fuck was i even expecting her response would be? do i have the right to feel disappointed?
Also imagine you're a cat, they chop off your balls, you have no say in it and then someone even calls you a tranny. So unfair.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

I am cheating again because this is not someone I know but another Youtuber already mentioned in the thread.

I am concerned with Little V Mills. I forgot that I was subbed to him some of his community tab posts shwoed up on my feed. Not this one but I wanted to illustrate a timeline so to say of what looks like him slowly trooning out.

Note the tranny patch on his vest.

And the coup de grâce which was posted mere hours after I took the screencap.

 

[Aunt Carol]

And the coup de grâce which was posted mere hours after I took the screencap.

It's a weird spot to be put in.

Those "transvestigators" are nuts, but this is the other way around. Back in the day, a guy could do all these things for fun and not have them mean anything. Now, they're red flags.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

It's a weird spot to be put in.

Those "transvestigators" are nuts, but this is the other way around. Back in the day, a guy could do all these things for fun and not have them mean anything. Now, they're red flags.

It is a strange period we find ourselves in.

If some guy was wearing nail polish or played dress-up and just acted normal otherwise, I wouldn't care. I have a nephew who wears nail polish because his mom does it and he thinks it's a silly fun thing but he's otherwise just a normal boy and his parents aren't pushing tranny shit on him.

Mills though seems obsessed with specifically troon shit, judging from his community tab. This is just the last two months. There'd no doubt be more if I searched it though. And it's been implied before with his "trans kids lives matter" thing as mentioned in this thread.

It's just...alarming to me that it's not even fag shit, it's exclusively tranny crap.

Either he's a tranny chaser or he's trying to dip his toes into the Unholy Lake of Troonshine Hills.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I have a nephew who wears nail polish because his mom does it and he thinks it's a silly fun thing but he's otherwise just a normal boy and his parents aren't pushing tranny shit on him.

This too; how many boys tried nail polish and it wasn't a problem (other than maybe some peer bullying), or little girls who had a shirtless phase? It's still just as innocent, but all it takes is one sanctimonious parent who wants a brave trans child...

I didn't mean to say you were overreacting about beardo; this guy is aware of his peers and knowingly dogwhistling trans stuff. He's either on the fence or waiting for the right moment to disclose a decision he's already made.

 

[Decoy St. Chum]

It is a strange period we find ourselves in.

If some guy was wearing nail polish or played dress-up and just acted normal otherwise, I wouldn't care. I have a nephew who wears nail polish because his mom does it and he thinks it's a silly fun thing but he's otherwise just a normal boy and his parents aren't pushing tranny shit on him.

Mills though seems obsessed with specifically troon shit, judging from his community tab. This is just the last two months. There'd no doubt be more if I searched it though. And it's been implied before with his "trans kids lives matter" thing as mentioned in this thread.

It's just...alarming to me that it's not even fag shit, it's exclusively tranny crap.

Either he's a tranny chaser or he's trying to dip his toes into the Unholy Lake of Troonshine Hills.

I think it's because troons move people who wanna act a bit faggy into transgenderism.
Every time they see painted nails they go "OMG YOU WOULD LOOK SO PRETTY IN A DRESS" and then "OMG YOU LOOK LIKE A GIRL YOU'RE TOTALLY TRANS!"
It's called "egg-cracking" and it's grooming. Yes, you can groom adults and the sooner people start admitting that you can groom adults the sooner this unholy shit will stop.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Not about one person per se, but I know far too many ftms who've transitioned since starting college. Whether in name only or somehow being able to get their tits chopped off without hesitation (the quacks don't take insurance, and one of my former friends pays 1k a month for it) they've seemed to conflate being free (not at home w/ homophobic parents) with being able to do whatever they want to themselves. I miss when self destructive behavior stopped at drinking and smoking too much and not physically ruining yourself because of impulsive thoughts.
I wouldn't care that much if they didn't immediately become insufferable as well. Maybe it's just a college thing but they all dive deep into leftism, think it's unfair they won't have unconditional med coverage for their transition and in some cases become friends with tranny sideshows that've been posted on this site before. Eventually it comes to a point where they start defending obvious AGPs and other sexpests (I got into a fight with one over keffals), because they're knee deep into being "supportive" of others that they forget critical thinking. If you're not unconditionally agreeing with them on everything, they'll either scold you or distance themselves entirely from you and hang out with their chud-free echo chamber.
The sad part is just seeing it unfold, seeing people who you genuinely got along with become neoprogressive freaks that show off their scars like they're war badges any chance they can. And you can't say anything about it without being accused of transphobia, since you're either unconditional supportive or unconditional hateful.