Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[#FF0000]

A neuron fired and I remembered the perfect inadvertent metaphor for a modern little boy caught playing with Mom's makeup:
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...is that fucking Loss?

 

[Terfatron]

Back in the day, a guy could do all these things for fun and not have them mean anything. Now, they're red flags.

If some guy was wearing nail polish or played dress-up and just acted normal otherwise, I

This is so weird.
As said, this was just a "thing" when I was younger.
The boys I fancied the most all had long hair and nail polish but where without a shadow of a doubt all men.
I was heavy in the goth scene and pretty much every dude was a gender bender but there was never any doubt that maybe they were UwU KaWai.

Exhibit A: Peter Steele

Spoiler: And one for the ladies

 

[DenseDeerFather]

This is so weird.
As said, this was just a "thing" when I was younger.
The boys I fancied the most all had long hair and nail polish but where without a shadow of a doubt all men.
I was heavy in the goth scene and pretty much every dude was a gender bender but there was never any doubt that maybe they were UwU KaWai.

Exhibit A: Peter Steele

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Spoiler: And one for the ladies

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Japan actually has a subculture of this in music and art, Visual Kei which is essentially emo/goth with some Victorian/Lolita (as in the fashion) and 80s glamrock influences give or take, filled with a lot of gender-bending but no trannies.

I think it's a pretty cool style.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I was heavy in the goth scene and pretty much every dude was a gender bender but there was never any doubt that maybe they were UwU KaWai.

The vampirefreaks people i met growing up were cringy and all, but most of them were also very homophobic despite the outfits. Granted, this is latam in the 00s, even the faggots were homophobic.

 

[Terfatron]

Japan actually has a subculture of this in music and art, Visual Kei which is essentially emo/goth with some Victorian/Lolita (as in the fashion) and 80s glamrock influences give or take, filled with a lot of gender-bending but no trannies.

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I think it's a pretty cool style.

Lol. There was a lot of dir en grey in my teens

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Again, all the bands and people who teenage me tought were cool looked like this more or less and it was juat theborder of things in the 00s alternative scene.

Cringe or not I'm just happy discord wasn't a thing because fuck me, it would had exterminated the entire goth/alt scene.
That would have been the true trans genocide.

But as so many already have touched on, I think the locksowns did bigger damage then we originally tought but it's the next coming years we will see the true extent of it.
It's just sad that nothing can't just be a interest anymore it's either a "hyperfixation" or someone's entire personality

 

[Joe Lieberman]

Ketamine went from nothing to "give it out like candy." It's supposed to be for severe pain and as a last resort for treating depression before icepicks. In practice ketamine has replaced opiods as a continuing revenue stream from patients and insurance companies to doctor's pockets.

Bringing this back up from a month ago. Possible PL, but over the past few years, since ketamine has essentially become totally legal and barely regulated (i.e. via startups like Mindbloom), I've seen a number of trans/non-binary people I know or who are friends of friends develop problems with it. They get into it because "it relieves dysphoria" (i.e. you don't feel anything) and then wind up using it every day, or multiple times a day. You are absolutely not supposed to do this for therapeutic use, because the side effects are really bad (including incontinence), but people have convinced themselves that because it's basically legal, it's safe.

I think ketamine therapy in a controlled environment is helpful for people who have severe issues, like someone I know who has treatment-resistant bipolar 2 who says that it's helped them more than any other drug they've taken. I've spoken out about why I think it's bad that people are turning themselves into zombies "therapeutically". Some people get it, specifically the people who've had to, say, help their roommate out of a K hole after they shit themself on their couch. Other people criticize me for stigmatizing drug use , but are ignoring the fact that the ready availability of ketamine is creating problems that would have been extremely uncommon 5 years ago.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Bringing this back up from a month ago. Possible PL, but over the past few years, since ketamine has essentially become totally legal and barely regulated (i.e. via startups like Mindbloom), I've seen a number of trans/non-binary people I know or who are friends of friends develop problems with it. They get into it because "it relieves dysphoria" (i.e. you don't feel anything) and then wind up using it every day, or multiple times a day. You are absolutely not supposed to do this for therapeutic use, because the side effects are really bad (including incontinence), but people have convinced themselves that because it's basically legal, it's safe.

I think ketamine therapy in a controlled environment is helpful for people who have severe issues, like someone I know who has treatment-resistant bipolar 2 who says that it's helped them more than any other drug they've taken. I've spoken out about why I think it's bad that people are turning themselves into zombies "therapeutically". Some people get it, specifically the people who've had to, say, help their roommate out of a K hole after they shit themself on their couch. Other people criticize me for stigmatizing drug use , but are ignoring the fact that the ready availability of ketamine is creating problems that would have been extremely uncommon 5 years ago.

 

[Lavender Moth]

Japan actually has a subculture of this in music and art, Visual Kei which is essentially emo/goth with some Victorian/Lolita (as in the fashion) and 80s glamrock influences give or take, filled with a lot of gender-bending but no trannies.

This. This right here was the entirety of my teenhood lol.

I was obsessed with Visual Kei and went into school every fucking day wearing shit like this. I had many male friends who also dressed like this, a few even wore their hair SUPER long, longer than mine, and I had really long hair as a kid lmao. I gravitated towards this style because men and women were still recognized, rightly, as different, but it was cool for us to wear practically whatever we wanted from the style. Shit was so cheesy and fun, you could never have stuff like this today without hulking brick hons throwing a fit over the fact that men were dressing girly and still being honest about being men, and vice versa with the women. In hindsight, it makes sense as to why I grew up into a tranny-hating faggot.

I miss this shit so much. Not to sound like a fucking boomer, but I feel so sad that kids these days don't seem to have any music-based subcultures to experiment with as a means of finding their independence and sense of self. I feel like all they have these days are a body mutilation cult and creepy influencer culture, which often goes hand in hand with the former. Music subcultures like this can't really exist and flourish today because of said mutilation cult. Shit sucks.

 

[Ed Special]

Music subcultures like this can't really exist and flourish today because of said mutilation cult

I mean they kinda do, but unless you get into ultra-weeb shit (infested by troons), your only options for off-mainstream music subcultures are hyperpop (exclusively by and for troons) and soundcloud rap.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

I mean they kinda do, but unless you get into ultra-weeb shit (infested by troons), your only options for off-mainstream music subcultures are hyperpop (exclusively by and for troons) and soundcloud rap.

So where does scenecore fit in?

 

[expectant asshole]

Bringing this back up from a month ago. Possible PL, but over the past few years, since ketamine has essentially become totally legal and barely regulated (i.e. via startups like Mindbloom), I've seen a number of trans/non-binary people I know or who are friends of friends develop problems with it. They get into it because "it relieves dysphoria" (i.e. you don't feel anything) and then wind up using it every day, or multiple times a day. You are absolutely not supposed to do this for therapeutic use, because the side effects are really bad (including incontinence), but people have convinced themselves that because it's basically legal, it's safe.

I think ketamine therapy in a controlled environment is helpful for people who have severe issues, like someone I know who has treatment-resistant bipolar 2 who says that it's helped them more than any other drug they've taken. I've spoken out about why I think it's bad that people are turning themselves into zombies "therapeutically". Some people get it, specifically the people who've had to, say, help their roommate out of a K hole after they shit themself on their couch. Other people criticize me for stigmatizing drug use , but are ignoring the fact that the ready availability of ketamine is creating problems that would have been extremely uncommon 5 years ago.

I also think the availability and strength of weed is an issue as well for a lot of young people’s mental health. I’m happy with it being legalised but wish it was labelled somehow for strength like with alcohol.

I do smoke regularly, but I like just a weak spliff or two before bed. Sort of equivalent to a glass of wine with dinner, but it helps me sleep better. Kids getting absolutely monged out of their heads on a regular basis is a bad idea.

 

[Ed Special]

So where does scenecore fit in?

ultra-weeb troonism, last i checked

 

[FedPostalService]

I also think the availability and strength of weed is an issue as well for a lot of young people’s mental health. I’m happy with it being legalised but wish it was labelled somehow for strength like with alcohol.

I do smoke regularly, but I like just a weak spliff or two before bed. Sort of equivalent to a glass of wine with dinner, but it helps me sleep better. Kids getting absolutely monged out of their heads on a regular basis is a bad idea.

I’ve watched a few people completely fuck their lives with weed.

i’m probably being slightly unfair on weed as there’s no doubt other things they’re using weed to avoid.

One is in the middle of a midlife crisis and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if I found out he had trooned out
in the future.

 

[TismFarmer]

I’ve watched a few people completely fuck their lives with weed.

i’m probably being slightly unfair on weed as there’s no doubt other things they’re using weed to avoid.

One is in the middle of a midlife crisis and it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if I found out he had trooned out
in the future.

Hubby and I were talking about that a bit ago.
People have the impression that weed is better than hard drugs, but if you're addicted to crack or heroin etc, you have to hustle every day to get it and you hit rock bottom pretty quick. With weed, it's easy and inexpensive to get, and you can use for decades without completely imploding your life. You don't improve your life though. You get unmotivated to do anything, and just spend the rest of your life getting high.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

You get unmotivated to do anything, and just spend the rest of your life getting high.

And that's a best case scenario. For someone vulnerable or lets say "neurodivergent" weed is a one way ticket to psychosis

 

[ScurvyRat]

Hubby and I were talking about that a bit ago.
People have the impression that weed is better than hard drugs, but if you're addicted to crack or heroin etc, you have to hustle every day to get it and you hit rock bottom pretty quick. With weed, it's easy and inexpensive to get, and you can use for decades without completely imploding your life. You don't improve your life though. You get unmotivated to do anything, and just spend the rest of your life getting high.

It's different for everyone. Mostly I'd say you're correct, but getting involved with weed dramatically improved my life when I got into it as a career. I was a grower at a (legal) op for several years and took care of over 3k plants. I only got started in the industry from attending LAN parties so my career is literally built on weed and vidya.
That being said, I don't smoke all day everyday. But I haven't always been like that. It's like any other vice, requiring self control to use regularly. I have critiqued several friends on their abuse of it.
And to tie it back into the thread, my trooned out cousin got into weed after high school. Drinking too. He tried to keep up with me (workin in the industry, no one could out smoke me) and was surprised when he started developing gynecomastia due to the increased estrogen from smoking and drinking. I was concerned, since it takes a LOT of weed and booze to get to that point but he didn't seem too concerned because he was secretly trooning out.
He always questioned why I could smoke/drink more than him and not have gyno, but my secret is working out daily (cardio in the morning, lifting in the evening) and a testosterone level that my doctor called "nearly toxic" at 1000 ng/dL.
But I don't think that blaming a plant for people being retarded is accurate. Generally, people who are unmotivated losers have a lot more (less) going on than just smoking too much weed.

 

[deermeat]

I miss this shit so much. Not to sound like a fucking boomer, but I feel so sad that kids these days don't seem to have any music-based subcultures to experiment with as a means of finding their independence and sense of self. I feel like all they have these days are a body mutilation cult and creepy influencer culture, which often goes hand in hand with the former. Music subcultures like this can't really exist and flourish today because of said mutilation cult. Shit sucks.

I'm in my 20s, so I am by no means old. But I feel old as fuck considering I wasn't as terminally online as others my age, and now I dont use social media. I remember getting into punk subcultures right before it was took over by troons. I'm still into punk yet it's put me in an awkward place where I can't actually enjoy the community aspect of it all. I can still follow the original meaning and embrace the fashion aspect, but that's about it.

Troons DESTROYED punk and EDM hyperpop-adjacent music aubgroups. I mean completely fucking destroyed it. I feel so resentful over it ngl because for the most part, all these people are basically posers. Maybe not for EDM/hyperpop, but for punk most definitely. You can't be into punk and be a troon. Punk is all about going against systemic norms and all about brutal rawness. It's anti consumerism, anti celeberty, anti political parties, and about non comformity. So it pisses me off to no end knowing most of what punk is nowadays is in regards to progessive idealogy.

And then with EDM, I feel like with troons they made it so that it is no longer safe for anyone. Drug use became worse, the sexual degenercy became worse.

Post punk, at least where I'm from, hasn't been hit as hard for some reason. And I know Ive seen people talk about how their local punk groups are still unaffected, but for the most part the people Ive seen who say that live outside of America. Usually the local punk groups that are still thriving exist within Terf island. Who knew british people would be so based? Id love to go to the UK just to experience the punk scene for what it is instead of being surrounded by posers.

 

[FedPostalService]

Hubby and I were talking about that a bit ago.
People have the impression that weed is better than hard drugs, but if you're addicted to crack or heroin etc, you have to hustle every day to get it and you hit rock bottom pretty quick. With weed, it's easy and inexpensive to get, and you can use for decades without completely imploding your life. You don't improve your life though. You get unmotivated to do anything, and just spend the rest of your life getting high.

I know plenty of people who enjoy weed like most of us can enjoy a drink.

I’m an ex-smoker so I don’t touch weed anymore as in the UK it’s common (or was) to mix weed with tobacco when making joints. If gummies were available readily here I would partake from time to time.

Just like some people shouldn’t drink or gamble as it totally takes over their life I don’t see why it should stop the rest of us.

Make your choices, kiwis. Try a bit of discipline and moderation. Otherwise the next thing you know you’ll be in a dress, out of your face, and listening to sissy hypno with a hard drive full of cheese pizza.

 

[doodoocaca]

Yes, this is ME saying this: I don't bring up the internet AT ALL, IRL. Ever. Period. Internet shit is entirely compartmentalized and siloed from IRL. Not sure if y'all are brave or foolish for doing so.

Fucking shit, "internet people" are almost always so cringe inducing or just feel so fucking weird - their presence, not just them in themselves, just being around them - I feel like I'm crawling out of my skin and up the fucking walls. I don't know how any of you have ever found anyone worth hanging out with by bringing up the internet, but I can absolutely agree that someone bringing up reddit is a flag so red it makes me want to sing L'Internationale.

It's a weird spot to be put in.

Those "transvestigators" are nuts, but this is the other way around. Back in the day, a guy could do all these things for fun and not have them mean anything. Now, they're red flags.

It is a strange period we find ourselves in.

If some guy was wearing nail polish or played dress-up and just acted normal otherwise, I wouldn't care. I have a nephew who wears nail polish because his mom does it and he thinks it's a silly fun thing but he's otherwise just a normal boy and his parents aren't pushing tranny shit on him.

An ex loved putting guyliner on me but not once did either of us think I was really a woman nor did the word "Gender" come up. Actually, nobody except my one crazy ex ever said the fucking word. Fucking shit, troons suck. Troons sucked the fun out of so much.

This is so weird.
As said, this was just a "thing" when I was younger.
The boys I fancied the most all had long hair and nail polish but where without a shadow of a doubt all men.
I was heavy in the goth scene and pretty much every dude was a gender bender but there was never any doubt that maybe they were UwU KaWai.

Exhibit A: Peter Steele

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For the hat trick I'm gonna point out "I don't wanna be me" is going to be coopted by troons if it hasn't been already.

 

[A Series Of Tubes]

Just found out that Chris Lyons, aka chriddof, trooned out.
Fucking hell....