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I don't know shit about YA other than most of it is written by women for women, but got curious... Are there YA books that are made by men for men? Not counting real books and its genres, but the CONCEPT of YA for men.

I can understand how it must be rare since the public is geared into other types of entertainment rather than books.
 
I don't know shit about YA other than most of it is written by women for women, but got curious... Are there YA books that are made by men for men? Not counting real books and its genres, but the CONCEPT of YA for men.

I can understand how it must be rare since the public is geared into other types of entertainment rather than books.

Sports books, litRPG, and gritty "urban" narratives are de-facto YA for boys.
 
But are they marketed for them like the normal YA or just goes under the radar.

Aldo what do you mean by sports books?

It's usually a series focusing on 1 sport with a protag preparing for and going into "the big game". May have a secondary genre attached to it like Romance or Thriller or Mystery.

I genuinely have no idea how book marketing works I haven't seen an ad since like 2012.
 
It's usually a series focusing on 1 sport with a protag preparing for and going into "the big game". May have a secondary genre attached to it like Romance or Thriller or Mystery.

I genuinely have no idea how book marketing works I haven't seen an ad since like 2012.
Never knew these sports books existed, I can see manga working but not books about it. And these sports manga totally precedes the YA craze and are mostly online and not physical releases (hajime no ippo for example)
 
I don't know shit about YA other than most of it is written by women for women, but got curious... Are there YA books that are made by men for men? Not counting real books and its genres, but the CONCEPT of YA for men.

I can understand how it must be rare since the public is geared into other types of entertainment rather than books.

There are about a half dozen men authors I know of who write books in the mainstream YA market with boy main characters instead of girls. I'll try and list the ones that pop to my head:

You're probably familiar with the most famous one: John Green, author of The Fault In Our Stars & Paper Towns. I list those two because they've been turned into movies so you're more likely to be familiar with them, but he's written a bunch of other books. He tends to write teenage angst where the boy is crushing on a manic pixie dream girl.

The next big one on the list is Cory Doctorow. I read his Little Brother book back when I was a teenager. His characters tend to be teenage boys fighting against either the American government or evil corporations. He's a leftist, but a surprisingly large percentage of his fanbase are libertarians.

Another big name in the business is Adam Cesare. Adam Cesare writes horror novels for different age groups, but his most well-known books are the YA Clown In a Cornfield series. Think Scream, but with an even higher death count. The first book is significantly gorier than the sequel, a third one is on the way, and there is going to be a movie adaptation.

Next up we got James Dashner, the author of the Maze Runner trilogy. Definitely YA, and marketed as such. People who like Hunger Games or/and Divergent also tend to like Maze Runner. It's a dystopia world and all three of the original trilogy have been adapted into movies.

Ryan Douglass writes gay YA stories, including The Taking of Jake Livingstone. A horror novel about a boy trying to stop the ghost of a school shooter.

Samuel Miller is another name here. I never read the book of his that got him famous, but I did read his second book, Redemption Prep. It follows an autistic boy named Evans who has a crush on a Christian girl named Rachel. They attend a Christian private school and Rachel goes missing, so Evan teams up with the jock to rescue her. Inspired by Twin Peaks, but it has a very dumb ending.

Note that I didn't mention the even more popular middle-grade authors like Rick Riordan & James Patterson who write with a lot of boy main characters. Brandon Sanderson has also written a few books targeted towards both genders in YA.

EDIT: I completely forgot R.L.Stine, who followed up his middle-grade Goosebumps books with the YA Fear Street series. He's the biggest name on this list hands down.
 
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I suppose you need to drill down on what you mean by YA. If your concept of "YA for men" is about the trials and tribulations as growing up as a high school guy, like a lot of contemporary female-written YA is, then I don't think there's much of it. @Gnillik Yot mentioned John Green, but his works have a bit of a woke insincerity to them where he can't quite let himself write to the hilt (because he is very aware of Twitter and Booktok, so, you get these half-there stories that make the reader feel a bit bad for enjoying it.) Otherwise, I don't think there's many. There are a lot of YA fantasy or other genre novels which feature male protagonists (Red Rising, for example, is YA to the core), and Sanderson is arguably YA For Men, but I'm not sure there's much in the way of that contemporary slice-of-life storytelling by men for men.
 
When I read I dont imagine people doing actions, I imagine characteristics described but not defined into a real person. For example, I never ever created a mental image for Odysseus in the Odyssey. I just imagine parts of human beings doing actions, not a whole person. I dont use real people to subside the image or voice for a character too. It is a weird experience seeing people with all that imagination where in my mind is just a name floating with actions attached to it.

Funny
 
When I read I dont imagine people doing actions, I imagine characteristics described but not defined into a real person. For example, I never ever created a mental image for Odysseus in the Odyssey. I just imagine parts of human beings doing actions, not a whole person. I dont use real people to subside the image or voice for a character too. It is a weird experience seeing people with all that imagination where in my mind is just a name floating with actions attached to it.

Funny
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I am an artist but whenever I read fiction or a story or when I listen to a song my mind runs wild and creates whole scenarios that play out what is written. I don't know why but I do that all the time. Especially after I've seen a good movie I will sit there for a bit and immerse myself back into the world once again as like a simulation of how I would fit in that world. I think I am weird.
 
I can get very sucked into a story if the writing flows well enough, to the point it's almost like a movie playing in my mind. I'm always surprised when people tell me they have a completely different experience. It helps that I've got a mind that fills in the blanks quite easily, so even if the character's description isn't that fleshed out I can still make an image of them in my mind.

Regarding YA for men, I think a lot of it does exist but isn't marketed as YA or tries to avoid the label entirely. What boys and young men look for in a story will be very different than girls and young women and I don't think publishers quite understand that. Plus, I think a lot of things that boys find appealing would be labelled as toxic by the cat-moms that seem to infest the publishing industry. There's an ongoing book series, Expeditionary Force by Craig Alanson, that I thought would be perfect for a teen boy. Really any kind of fun adventure that isn't too dense or complicated with an MC they can look up to is all they need. Surely it isn't too hard to find some books that tick those boxes.
 
Plus, I think a lot of things that boys find appealing would be labelled as toxic by the cat-moms that seem to infest the publishing industry.
Boys want what men want: tits, violence, laughs and adventure. Of course the scolds have no clue how to market to them because they don't acquire those stories.
 
This meme is spot on. It seems every other week, some big conservative account bemoans the lack of RW art. Half of the replies are always indie authors who point to their self-published books. Does the big account boost them be retweeting or reviewing their work? Nope! They just pretend these people don't exist, and two months later make the same complaint.
That’s something that bothers me about any kind of big voices that bemoans the lack of whatever thing honestly. They spend their time moaning that the thing does not exsist and hating on the woke instead of focusing on all the alternatives that are out there and just lack visability.

Sure they might use their audience to fund their own shit but they won’t use it to help others.

Meanwhile the people they’d consider the problem help fund loads of shit.
 
Brandon Sanderson is being attacked by conservatives for "going woke." Only it appears the meltdown is being caused by a post he made in January of 2023. They say he is talking about being woke, donating to gay charities, and advocating sexual liberalism in the Mormon Church, but I can't find anything recent on his blog or his social media on these topics. ?
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It’s in his website FAQ section; not necessarily a blog post. He comes out fully in support of all things gay.
It sounds like he's a hypocrite and a useful idiot for the LGBT community by making this post. I could be wrong but he leaves his reasoning of reconciling his faith with his LGBT positions vague. Hope this doesn't impact his writing. That's what matters.
 
It sounds like he's a hypocrite and a useful idiot for the LGBT community by making this post. I could be wrong but he leaves his reasoning of reconciling his faith with his LGBT positions vague. Hope this doesn't impact his writing. That's what matters.
I haven't read anything by him after Tress but even in the earlier Stormlight books there are inklings of libbery. I don't like his attempts at "examining" mental health, and if we lived in a different political environment I don't think he'd have these elements in his books, or at least do them differently.

Kaladin PTSD felt surface level to me, and Shallan for some reason managed to give herself Dissociative Identity Disorder. Which we aren't even sure if it's actually a real disorder, in real life. The storyline could be interesting now that I think about it; if it was some magic bullshit or the bitch was just coo coo crazy, but the way he goes about it is very tumblr and exudes the vibe of "everybody needs to see a therapist weekly".
 
Shallan is clearly a plural DID system, guys.
Sanderson's quality in writing has really dropped imo. Despite having like a billion beta and gamma and whatever readers, his cosmere novels just become longer and more convoluted, with way too much lore shit and a hundred mysterious worldhopping characters and gods and undeads and all that crap.
Sometimes less is more.
Am of course buying his next stormlight book, like all the others before, but I don't except a+ high fantasy from him anymore.
 
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