General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Punchoboe said:
And if the girl leaves the "management company," everything disappears. Pimp or cult? You decide.
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Sounds like you have no idea how bad contracts are in other fields
almost all tech companies and game developers make you sign a thing saying ANYTHING you make during your time at that company belongs to them. Trying to make your own app or indie game so you can finally quit your shitty job? FUCK YOU ITS OURS
By contrast most of these companies letting their talents have side jobs doing music, songs, voice acting etc is quite decent especially when the extra vocal stress can impact their work with the company too
 
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Keine said:
I didn't catch it until after the fact, but from the Phase Discord, it sounds like some guy got pissy that his submission wasn't recognized even though he was one of the first to post in the reddit thread and that devolved into an argument with Pippa which may have also spilled over into the subreddit which is also now gone.
Someone was able to grab the dude's comment afterward at least:

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Jesus what a fag lmao
And he got the subreddit nuked too? Good fucking job lmfao
 
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Bindo said:
Her mods are beyond asleep at the wheel to let a One Guy issue blow up like that, holy shit.

Her too though, jesus fuck. Mute/block/ban and move the fuck on. You're, notionally at least, a professional.
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At the very least she did that judging by her apology tweet being unable to be replied to.
Still should keep the trashfires to her cooking
 
Bindo said:
Her mods are beyond asleep at the wheel to let a One Guy issue blow up like that, holy shit.

Her too though, jesus fuck. Mute/block/ban and move the fuck on. You're, notionally at least, a professional.
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What I really don’t get is that… the only type of person to legitimately be so upset about their user submission not being reviewed that they would make a huge fuss about it in chat/discord, is someone who is highly highly autistic.

Why give any Chris Chan like freak the time of day or let them influence you in any way negatively? Pippa’s fuck up here is refusing to put the boot down on these retards.
 
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Scarthew said:
Except the nda means theyre technically not allowed to talk about their work experience.
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does it though?

Look at that steady pipeline of people redebuting in other agencies like Vshojo and ask yourself if they really aren't pulling based on "prior work experience"

95% of what the community generally talks about regarding these NDA's is pure conjecture. At most we see former talents just avoid publicly stating that they are that person, but that's never stopped Kson from hinting at it or even listing her former Holo Identity as her own oshi. It's not stopped Sayu from just talking about herself in the third person any time she wants to talk about Niji. Hell Sayu hopped on a dramatuber's stream to literally talk about Niji's contracts and nothing happened to her over it.

So we don't know what those agreements entail at the end of the day but judging by the actions of members leaving these companies and joining up with new ones either they aren't as ironclad as people like to think, or somehow miraculously they are that ironclad and alllllll of these former talents have just been lucky their prior employers haven't been petty enough to enforce. And at least in the case of Niji nowadays I don't believe they wouldn't be that petty if they were able.
 
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Scarthew said:
Except the nda means theyre technically not allowed to talk about their work experience.
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You are completely talking out of your ass. NDAs are an SOP in nearly any entertainment field role and have been for decades at this point. Same for tech roles in any competitive, emerging disciplines. vTubing is both.

You're telling me that you believe that no one working in AI or entertainment development can talk about their experience?
 
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Bindo said:
You are completely talking out of your ass. NDAs are an SOP in nearly any entertainment field role and have been for decades at this point. Same for tech roles in any competitive, emerging disciplines. vTubing is both.

You're telling me that you believe that no one working in AI or entertainment development can talk about their experience?
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no im not saying that. Entertainers have a portfolio of their work, vtubers technically cant because the terms of the NDA restrict them from talking about what they do as well as makes it impossible to get a reference from that company.
 
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Pippa canning all future viewer-submission streams over one guy getting mad she skipped his pet almost sounds like a parody of a Vtuber woman moment. The guy who argued with her over it is obviously a Turbo Faggot, but good lord woman, you don't need to go nuclear over something so minor. Reading about it, it even seems like she was going to do this again and take advice people gave her about not sorting by new. So sometime between ending stream and that tweet she had a total change of heart and nuked the idea.

this post is made under the assumption that this is largely because one guy arguing with her, which is what I understand happened. Should this be wrong I formally forfeit my life and will be lighting myself on fire outside Idol's Headquarters in Israel.
 
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Scarthew said:
no im not saying that. Entertainers have a portfolio of their work, vtubers technically cant because the terms of the NDA restrict them from talking about what they do as well as makes it impossible to get a reference from that company.
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you're taking a lack of a public credits list like a voice actor on MAL or IMDB to mean that in professional settings they cannot state a work history (even though that's how 99% of jobs and careers work), which there is no evidence for. Nor do we know that if requested someone like Kson couldn't get a reference out of Cover (if she would ever even need something of the sort)

Certainly one could say that making the argument on side relies on assumptions but I'd at least point to the fact that clearly some talents are shifting companies in ways that doesn't seem to be totally random chance, to say that clearly people behind the scenes are talking about it and that some even get at it publicly to say that there isn't some ironclad gag placed on them.

Unless you think Kson and Nazuna's joining Vshojo had nothing to do with Coco and Rushia, and that all the Niji's moving there as well had nothing to do with their past lives. I don't know how one could even make the case that they "aren't allowed to talk about their work experience"

Vshojo did not pick up a random unknown Indonesian woman to join as Michi without her history as Mika. References from other members or not there's just no chance that past life talks aren't happening in the application process.
 
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Serbian Peacekeepers said:
Pippa canning all future viewer-submission streams over one guy getting mad she skipped his pet almost sounds like a parody of a Vtuber woman moment. The guy who argued with her over it is obviously a Turbo Faggot, but good lord woman, you don't need to go nuclear over something so minor. Reading about it, it even seems like she was going to do this again and take advice people gave her about not sorting by new. So sometime between ending stream and that tweet she had a total change of heart and nuked the idea.

this post is made under the assumption that this is largely because one guy arguing with her, which is what I understand happened. Should this be wrong I formally forfeit my life and will be lighting myself on fire outside Idol's Headquarters in Israel.
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Does anyone know who fucked up first? Like was the dude an asshole from the start or maybe the other people in the discord shit it up before she got there? Cause theres definitely an alternate timeline where she just goes "oh my bad" and does quick bit on the next stream. Cause she must be aware a sizable chunk of her audience is full blown autism especially if theyre the kind of person to care about their dog not making it on the stream.

Burnt Fish said:
there's just no chance that past life talks aren't happening in the application process.
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Well I did say "technically" because just because they choose to violate NDA and didnt face concequences doesnt mean its not designed with the intention of "if you dont work for us you dont work at all"
 
Scarthew said:
no im not saying that. Entertainers have a portfolio of their work, vtubers technically cant because the terms of the NDA restrict them from talking about what they do as well as makes it impossible to get a reference from that company.
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You are ignoring that the audience for vtubers will recognize and spread knowledge of new incarnations nearly instantly based on nothing but recognizing voices and manners of speaking. The vtuber and/or their new corpo doesn't need to say anything for their old audience to make the jump.
 
Exterminatus said:
They take a cut of donations but with Phase I think the talents still get the better split of donations and memberships.
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Tenma let it slip that hers is a 50/50 which is considered standard.
ChefKiss said:
Sounds like you have no idea how bad contracts are in other fields
almost all tech companies and game developers make you sign a thing saying ANYTHING you make during your time at that company belongs to them. Trying to make your own app or indie game so you can finally quit your shitty job? FUCK YOU ITS OURS
By contrast most of these companies letting their talents have side jobs doing music, songs, voice acting etc is quite decent especially when the extra vocal stress can impact their work with the company too
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It's shit in other places so it's fine is a shit argument. By contract an actor or VA gets credit after every episode meanwhile a vtuber has to hide their identity to their old fans if they leave the corpo because of NDA, probably listed as indefinitely.
The sides jobs you mentioned is because they're a contractor with contractor benefits aka none/very little. Even though their contract can still have the restrictions typically given at a employee level as we've seen with nijisanji.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
You are ignoring that the audience for vtubers will recognize and spread knowledge of new incarnations nearly instantly based on nothing but recognizing voices and manners of speaking. The vtuber and/or their new corpo doesn't need to say anything for their old audience to make the jump.
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That has nothing to do with what im talking about. Im just that they sign an NDA not for protecting company secrets (there is one for that too) but specifically to staunch future prospects for the talent.

Also its really naive to think everyone just finds out magically. Go to any fpsrussia video and the comment section is full of "i wonder what happened to this guy he just disappeared" when he still has a podcast thats been running for 15 years
 
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Scarthew said:
Well I did say "technically" because just because they choose to violate NDA and didnt face concequences doesnt mean its not designed with the intention of "if you dont work for us you dont work at all"
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But why even assume that it is designed with that intention when there's not evidence of that, and what we can see of a lot of these people's behavior would lend itself more to the idea that it's just not that strict. Niji DMCA'd dramatubers shit talking them, they sent a cease and desist to Luca's ex mod badmouthing him. They'll obviously take action and be proactive in going after people. But you'd assume that they just happened to choose inaction on former members like Sayu or Doki making absolutely no secret of who they are? Of the mass exodus of their talent to another agency and clearly talking about their past experiences with Niji while there?

At a certain point it just becomes a logical conclusion that assuming anything that ironclad in their NDAs is probably just off base and that their former employees are able to cite their work history without fear of punishment. We obviously can only make assumptions because we just don't have the hard information. But you seem to be basing your assumptions on a desired narrative more than on observable reality.
 
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