US Congress is weighing automatic registration for wartime draft - Registration for Selective Service is already mandatory but a proposed law would automatically sign up men between 18 and 25 years old for national draft rolls.

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Registration with Selective Service is already mandatory but American men between 18 and 25 could be automatically signed up for the draft under a measure making its way through Congress. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Eric Burks.

American men ages 18 to 25 would be automatically signed up for the draft if a measure making its way through Congress becomes law.

The proposal by Rep. Chrissy Houlahan would mean that men would be automatically registered for the draft when they turn 18. Under current federal law, all American male citizens and green card holders 18 to 25 years old must register with the Selective Service, but the requirement to do so falls on individuals. Those roles would be the basis of a military draft if Congress or the President decided to implement one, which Houlahan’s proposed measure does not address.

Women would continue to be exempt from Selective Service registration under the proposal submitted as an amendment to the national defense policy bill for fiscal year 2025.

During debate on her amendment last week, Houlahan argued that the measure would allow Congress to spend more money on “readiness and towards mobilization” instead of “education and advertising campaigns driven to register people.”

According to the Selective Service’s annual report to Congress for 2022, the national registration rate that year for qualified men was 84%.

The Selective Service says it will spend $33 million this year on programs “to improve registration compliance rates” — money that might not have to be spent if registration was automatic.

“We really sort of saw this as a chance to both save government resources, save taxpayer dollars and to help young men avoid the special challenges later in life that can come from not having registered,” a congressional aide for Houlahan told Task & Purpose.

A majority of U.S. states, the four territories, and Washington D.C. automatically register eligible people for Selective Service when obtaining a driver’s license, driver’s permit, or other Department of Motor Vehicle identification.

Men who knowingly fail to register can become ineligible for federal student aid or jobs at federal agencies, and have trouble obtaining security clearances. They can also face five years in prison or thousands of dollars in fines, according to a 2019 Congressional Research Service report.

Houlahan’s amendment also comes after a decline in registrations due to the FAFSA Simplification Act, which removed the option for Selective Service registration on student applications for federal tuition assistance. According to the agency, FAFSA applications historically accounted for 20% of annual registrations, officials said in the 2022 report to Congress.

The Selective Service System, the federal agency in charge of registrations maintains a database of more than 92 million registrant records. The measure would allow the agency to tap into other federal databases to enroll eligible Americans, the congressional aide said.

“This is not a collection of new information. This is just an example of using the information that federal agencies already have more efficiently,” the aide said. “The underlying law of who has to register remains the same.”

Kate Kuzminski, deputy director of the Washington D.C. think tank, Center for New American Security’s program on Military, Veterans & Society said the measure could be simply bureaucratic as a way to make sure that the agency has up-to-date information.

“Another challenge is that the Selective Service relies on physical addresses,” Kuzminski said. “How many kids between the ages of 18 and 26 change addresses multiple times and perhaps never think to update that with selective service?”

The draft

The measure comes amid a resurgence of mandatory military service being considered and reinstated by other European nations as the war in Ukraine drags on and NATO assesses threats posed by Russia. Latvia, which borders Russia, reinstated the draft this year and Denmark plans to broaden the draft to include women, and extend the length of service. Last week, the UK’s governing Conservative Party vowed to mandate all 18-year-olds in Britain do a year of mandatory military or civilian national service if the party wins its July 4 national election.

But not all are in agreement. Hungary’s foreign minister called the “crazy proposals” to reinstate the draft across Europe “unacceptable.”

Kuzminski said policy conversations about military drafts haven’t been this widespread since World War II but that “in the face of a truly existential threat” like Ukraine with Russia or Taiwan with China, more countries are thinking about it.

“But we are not having that conversation in the United States because there’s no constituency in Congress. Who’s gonna argue pro-draft, right? This is a break glass in case of emergency situation,” she said. “No one wants to be pro-draft.”

Even though someone is registered for the Selective Service, it does not automatically mean they will be inducted into the military should a draft be implemented. In the event that Congress and the President call upon the agency to use its registry for a draft, men would be called “in a sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth.” They would then undergo mental and physical fitness tests before being deferred, exempted from military service or inducted into the U.S. armed forces, according to the Selective Service website.

Houlahan’s proposal also comes as certain military branches like the Army face challenges recruiting new troops due to image problems with Gen Z and Americans waning trust in public institutions.

Houlahan’s amendment to the national defense policy bill was approved by the House Armed Services committee last week but it still must pass the full House and Senate before it may become law.

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I'm guessing the register of births, deaths and marriages, or your American equivalent. To match current addresses - tax records? You all have to declare everyone who lives with you for "tax purposes" every year, right?
School records and Social Security records would also be helpful - is your Social Security number what you all use for payroll/tax/pension purposes?

Social Security doesn't keep up to date addresses on people. A ton of 18 year olds anymore aren't working and getting taxed.

If you're 19 and not in college or disabled, no one gets to claim you as a dependent on your taxes. NEETs win again.
 
Yeah fuck right off lady. Good luck enforcing any of it anyway. Some would sue claiming unlawful gender discrimination in only drafting men violates their civil rights and the rest would claim they now identify as women and therefore are exempt and scream hate crime and threaten to sue if the government questioned that
And the recruiters will ignore all of that and round them up anyway. Look at the Ukraine. The press gangs are going after all sorts of men with legitimate exemptions, even grandfathers, cripples, and poor Down’s syndrome boys are shipped off to the trenches, and stores have banned sales of wigs and dresses to men precisely because they were trying to disguise themselves as women to avoid the death sentence that is 21st century warfare.
If you’re a man, it’s your duty to die for the state, no matter how much you despise or disrespect it.
 
And the recruiters will ignore all of that and round them up anyway. Look at the Ukraine. The press gangs are going after all sorts of men with legitimate exemptions, even grandfathers, cripples, and poor Down’s syndrome boys are shipped off to the trenches, and stores have banned sales of wigs and dresses to men precisely because they were trying to disguise themselves as women to avoid the death sentence that is 21st century warfare.
If you’re a man, it’s your duty to die for the state, no matter how much you despise or disrespect it.
Ukraine is not the US. They literally can't ignore it. Try to press gang american citizens like they're doing in ukraine and you'll have a whole lot of dead recruiters real quick. What you're suggesting violates just about every civil rights law the US has

Nobody can legally drag you off the street or out of your house like that in the US. Its explicit legal grounds to respond with lethal force. Recruiters are incompetent morons at the best of times, they're not going to get their heads blown off trying to do something they can't even legally do in the first place

Hell even in ukraine they've started to have enough and have started flat out shooting at recruiters in ukraine
 
Ukraine is not the US. They literally can't ignore it. Try to press gang american citizens like they're doing in ukraine and you'll have a whole lot of dead recruiters real quick. What you're suggesting violates just about every civil rights law the US has

Nobody can legally drag you off the street or out of your house like that in the US. Its explicit legal grounds to respond with lethal force. Recruiters are incompetent morons at the best of times, they're not going to get their heads blown off trying to do something they can't even legally do in the first place

Hell even in ukraine they've started to have enough and have started flat out shooting at recruiters in ukraine
Good luck with that. We saw what “armed insurrection” looks like on the sixth of January, and it was pathetic.
 
Good luck with that. We saw what “armed insurrection” looks like on the sixth of January, and it was pathetic.
There was no insurrection, armed or otherwise on january sixth. Anyone telling you otherwise is a fucking retard

Go ahead and try to force people into the military at gunpoint and drag them out of their houses and see how fast the idiots trying to do it get strung up or shot. Take a good look at what happened after floyd OD'd. Now blatantly violate your own citizens rights, point guns at them and try to drag them off the street and out of their homes and see how fast you get killed

Ask the king of france what happens when you push your citizens too far

Oh, thats right, he got killed over that kind of behavior. So did charles I, the tsar, wilhelm II came dangerously close to it at the end of ww1. Governments aren't stupid. Anyone with an ounce of sanity understands that doing what you're suggesting in the US, the largest armed civilian population in the world, will get you strung up and the government replaced
 
There was no insurrection, armed or otherwise on january sixth. Anyone telling you otherwise is a fucking retard

Go ahead and try to force people into the military at gunpoint and drag them out of their houses and see how fast the idiots trying to do it get strung up or shot. Take a good look at what happened after floyd OD'd. Now blatantly violate your own citizens rights, point guns at them and try to drag them off the street and out of their homes and see how fast you get killed

Ask the king of france what happens when you push your citizens too far

Oh, thats right, he got killed over that kind of behavior. So did charles I, the tsar, wilhelm II came dangerously close to it at the end of ww1. Governments aren't stupid. Anyone with an ounce of sanity understands that doing what you're suggesting in the US, the largest armed civilian population in the world, will get you strung up and the government replaced
Lol tell that to vietnam draftees
 
Are we really going to have a nuclear war because two senior citizens would rather end the world than take an L?
It's more about the banker class being unable to fucking rule from the shadows properly,

Where is the database they are using? Whose records are they plundering? Why do they think those records would allow them more accuracy in registering 18 year olds than the current voluntary methods?
Birth Certificates, DMV/Driver's License, IRS/Tax returns.

Guess who they'll tap next once they run out of 20-somethings?
This is something most people don't understand about the draft and the voting age being 18. Sure they tried to get the older men first, but when the bodies started stacking up and the generals said "We need more bodies," they kept lowering the age until they hit 18. Now give the amount of young people who don't, can't, or otherwise won't be in the military, they're already going the other way. The Navy recently let people at the age of 40 enlist, fucking 40, that's not new enlistment age, but that's what they're allowing because they need bodies.

My friends in better states ask me why I only buy handguns and shotguns; because I refuse to accept featureless builds as rifles over the same reason I don't believe troons when they say they're really women. It's the same thing to me, a mangled disgusting mess pretending to be something it's not.

Ukraine is not the US. They literally can't ignore it. Try to press gang american citizens like they're doing in ukraine and you'll have a whole lot of dead recruiters real quick. What you're suggesting violates just about every civil rights law the US has
So take it to the courts; maybe you'll get a ruling in 10 years when it finally reaches SCOTUS, if you're not dead by then. Remember, Civil Rights only applies to diversity americans being allowed to annoy others, it has nothing to do about the right to keep and bear arms, freedom of speech, not letting the government quarter in your homes or anything else. Civil Rights means Rick Ross and Jamal can't be told to go the fuck away for being a nuisance, it also means they probably won't be charged if they smash your head in with a chair either, you should've been nicer to them. Also, the Commissars won't be going to the hood for Ray Ray and Pookie, they'll be going to the white bread suburbs for Jordan and Zane.
 
Thank god I live in Canada. We're too cucked here to do a draft.
...I hope.
We don't have enough gear to equip the handful of guys actually willing to sign up, so no, we won't have a draft. I feel pretty confident in stating that no Western nation will have a full-on combat draft, ever, because of two reasons: 1) it jeapordises the state and 2) the military does not really want it.

For 1), the hard line between peace and violence is personal safety. You can put people under a lot of discomfort if you guarantee their safety in the end. People are not taking drastic action en masse about housing or employment or anything else because it could lead to them going to jail, which is more dangerous than however they're currently living. When the choice is 'get shot at in a foreign field or get shot at in your own city' most people will choose the latter and draw down on press-gangers and cops. It doesn't take too many incidences of that before the machinery starts to grind to a halt. A pile of angry people with nothing to lose in an armed country like America is a recipe for genuine insurrection, not the Wish.com version you got on Jan 6th.

For 2) while the brass are clamoring for more bodies, the men who actually have to tard wrangle them are not. What they would really like is agreeable college-educated types, who show up already saying SIR YES SIR and knowing not to drink from the bottle with the skull and crossbones on it. The last thing officers want is to be walking through hostile territory with a bunch of guys that don't want to be there and are willing to break rules to make sure they survive. It also looks really bad when you have an Iraq situation where whole battalions just calmly turn up and hand over their weapons saying 'yeah we're not gonna die for this, you win'.

The reason I said 'full-on combat draft' is I can see countries trying a 'national service' type plan, where unemployed people are given office and maintenance jobs to free up other people for combat duties. There is a chance of this succeeding, because it gives NEETS a job, a place to live and a bunch of other NEETS to horse around with when the boss isn't looking.
 
I really wonder what a modern war between powers would even look like.

During WW2 we ended up making TWELVE THOUSAND B-17s.

Could we even make a 500 F-35s over that time period?

The equipment in Ukraine is mostly stuff all the sides had stockpiled from the Cold War. I feel like once one side started running out of stuff, they'll start threatening to use nukes.
 
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I really wonder what a modern war between powers would even look like.

During WW2 we ended up making TWELVE THOUSAND B-17s.

Could we even make a 500 F-35s over that time period?
We can't even make war-time quantities of basic AA&E (Arms, Ammunition, and Explosives); there's no way in hell we have the capabilities to turn out massive fucking quantities of magical flying machines.
 
Birth Certificates, DMV/Driver's License, IRS/Tax returns.

Birth certificates: no national database exists of these. There's a reason you can only get these from your local courthouse. There are a thousand places these are stored. Also, only males need to register, and people can change their gender marker now. This is an impractical record to collect on a national basis, and a majority of people will no longer live in the county listed on their birth certificate.

Driver's license: No national database exists of these. Each state maintains its own. Only half of 18 year olds now even have a driver's license. They may have some other state ID, but don't count on it. This would be a massively incomplete record.

IRS/Tax returns: Only about 20% of teenagers now work a paid job in high school. Lots of them graduate and either become NEETs or head off to college. You can check their last known address when they were a dependent, but parents who don't file (aka people on state benefits who don't work, etc.) will be excluded. This would be a massively incomplete record.


There is no way any of these plans would yield anything like the current voluntary registration rate, which is 84 percent.
 
There is no way any of these plans would yield anything like the current voluntary registration rate, which is 84 percent.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying your argument may only exist in the now and not the future. There may not be a national database, but I'd have to say "yet." Because even though there isn't supposed to be a roster of gun owners, several states make their own; California even putting it in their DMV system, so whether it's a cop who pulled you over running your information or the lady behind the counter at the office, you're flagged. Now apply current data sharing/selling and realize that even if there is no "national" database, there's probably places they can easily acquire said information. Not saying you're wrong, but anything down to having a phone plan puts you in the system, it's not impossible, but being completely segregated from the system is far harder than it seems.
 
I said almost word-for-word the same shit about covid lockdowns.

If there's shooting involved in a draft effort it won't be at people's homes.
Coof lockdowns, while bad, were a different beast. "Go home and sit on your couch and stream movies all day" is a different kind of command than 'Get put under military discipline, undergo harsh training and then we'll send you into a warzone where you could be killed by a drone'.
 
I guarantee you companies like TLO ("TransUnion") not only have the most comprehensive records (including stuff they're not supposed to have, like full employment and education histories, etc.) of practically every American and illegal, they're eager to sell it to anyone with the cash, including the government.

If they actually enforce this, expect lots of shenanigans to hide the actual sources, but rest assured they will get the data they need, and it will be quite comprehensive.

About the only real protection any of us has against this if they really go through with it is [redacted to avoid fedposting]. Hope y'all are well stocked.
 
proposal by Rep. Chrissy Houlahan
This mother of daughters must have self-awareness lower than that of the average troon.
I also wonder how they'd handle men declaring themselves women to get out of the draft, or is that's also a luxury belief that would be quietly shelved.
I looked it up to see if it had changed since the last time I read about it, and looks like FTMs don't have to register, still, but MTFs do, although they can apply for an exemption at the time of a draft:


FOR INDIVIDUALS ASSIGNED FEMALE AT BIRTH​

People who were assigned female at birth are not required to register with the Selective Service regardless of their current gender or transition status. When applying for federal financial aid, grants, and loans as a man, however, you may be asked to prove that you are exempt. To request a Status Information Letter (SIL) that shows you are exempt, you can either download an SIL request form from the Selective Service website (https://www.sss.gov/verify/) or call them at 1-888-655-1825. Applying for a Status Information Letter is free of charge.

While the SIL request form has a specific section for transgender people (and uses some inappropriate terminology), actual Status Information Letters issued by the Selective Service System do not specify why you are exempt, so it will not force you to out yourself in any other application process. The Selective Service does, however, require a copy of your birth certificate showing your birth-assigned sex. If the sex on your birth certificate has been changed, attach any documentation you have to that affect. Once you receive your Status Information Letter, keep it in your files. For those who transition before their eighteenth birthdays and change their birth certificates, it is also possible to register with the service. However, registration is not required at present for anyone assigned female at birth, and no one may register after their twenty-sixth birthday.

FOR INDIVIDUALS ASSIGNED MALE AT BIRTH​

People who were assigned male at birth are required to register with the Selective Service within thirty days of their eighteenth birthday. This includes those who may have transitioned before or since then. The Selective Service uses Social Security and other databases to determine who they believe was assigned male at birth. As of now, it is unclear whether transgender people are eligible for military service, but you are required to register nonetheless, and this is necessary to gain access to certain government benefits. According to the Selective Service website, "In the event of a resumption of the draft, individuals born male who have changed their gender to female can file a claim for an exemption from military service if they receive an order to report for examination or induction." (https://www.sss.gov/faq/)

NAME CHANGES AND THE SELECTIVE SERVICE​

People who are assigned male at birth and who are required to register are also required to inform the Selective Service of any legal name change or change in other record information such as address up until your twenty-sixth birthday. This does not include change of gender as the Selective Service policy is entirely based on birth-assigned sex. For trans women and others who were assigned male at birth and have registered with the Selective Service, notification of a name change is legally required within ten days.

To update your records, fill out the Change Of Information Form attached to the Registration Acknowledgement Card with your new name. Alternatively, you can fill out a Change of Information Form called SSS Form 2, which you can obtain at any United States Post Office or U.S. Embassy or Consulate abroad. You may also change your information with the Selective Service by letter. In the letter, include your full name, Social Security Number, Selective Service Number, date of birth, current mailing address and new name. With any of these three methods, you must attach official documentation of your name change and mail it to the Selective Service. Updates take four to six weeks, after which you will be mailed a new acknowledgement card.

Guess who they'll tap next once they run out of 20-somethings?
They went up to 45 in the USA during the last world war. And 45 year olds today:
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...are, for all the obesity even, more spry and youthful than a 45 year old then:

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I'd wager if the SHTF for real they could easily push up to 50.
 
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