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[Xarpho's Return]

More dumb car comparisons

See, I can do that too!

Just another cyclist showing respect for the rules of the road:

The thing that they'll never understand that public transit thrives in high-trust societies (Japan, Europe). When you routinely break the law you are encouraging low-trust societies, which promote driving.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I can't find it now but there was one he posted on TikTok that got hit with a warning that it displayed "potentially dangerous acts".

Right here:

TikTok placed a warning on one of Jason's videos:

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Yup that's right. Before evil, evil cars got their claws in the cities, you could walk right down the middle of any road and it'd be fine, because no carriages or carts or other animal-drawn conveyances would trample you underfoot. It'd be fine. Pedestrian paradise.

Actual history:

In New York in 1900, 200 persons were killed by horses and horse-drawn vehicles. This contrasts with 344 auto-related fatalities in New York in 2003; given the modern city's greater population, this means the fatality rate per capita in the horse era was roughly 75 percent higher than today.

 

[sum ting wong]

I like that they assume everyone is going into crippling debt to buy a truck. Not everyone is an r/antiwork dog-walker with $100k in college loans they'll never pay back living in San Francisco. Some people can afford nice things because they live in affordable areas and own a business.

 

[F-14 Tomcat]

What's even the logic behind hating traffic lights and safety equipment on bikes? Considering it's a near uniform opinion among these retards, there has to be something they try and justify it with

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

What's even the logic behind hating traffic lights and safety equipment on bikes? Considering it's a near uniform opinion among these retards, there has to be something they try and justify it with

Realtalk: helmets are annoying and fiddly, and everyone assumes only good things will happen to them.

Their excuse: statistics show bikers without helmets are treated more carefully by cars (likely for other reasons, but who cares about actually studying the studies).

Realtalk: they're fat and even if not fat, it's annoying to get back up to speed after stopping for a light, what with the faggotry of gear switching, etc.

Their excuse: muh whatever fuck you I do what I want

I'm fine with the above as long as they're denied healthcare insurance when they get splattered, and have to pay to clean up and fix whatever splattered them.

 

[maxell4hd]

What's even the logic behind hating traffic lights and safety equipment on bikes?

One of the arguments used against helmets is that they supposedly inconvenience potential cyclists so they ride less (Australia sometimes being used as an example). Then they point to the Netherlands as an example of where proper infrastructure and priority for cyclists makes it "safe" without helmets, not realizing that cyclists account for 65% of all road accident visits to the emergency room there.

 

[quaawaa]

One of the arguments used against helmets is that they supposedly inconvenience potential cyclists so they ride less (Australia sometimes being used as an example). Then they point to the Netherlands as an example of where proper infrastructure and priority for cyclists makes it "safe" without helmets, not realizing that cyclists account for 65% of all road accident visits to the emergency room there.

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That's a good source.

The vast majority of cyclists taken to A&E with serious traffic-related injuries were involved in single-vehicle accidents (that is, no other vehicles were involved) ( see Figure 48 ).

Here's Figure 48:

Only 7% of serious accidents involved a car and a bicycle, approximately the same number as bike-bike accidents. Urbanists would have you believe that 100% of them were the fault of cars.

Also in the PDF, around 40% of cyclists admit to texting while riding:


Despite the Dutch doing everything Jason recommends, the number of cyclists going to the emergency room has increased by 35% over the past decade:


Source (Archive)

 

[Yamamura]

Tradesmen are overpaid because they can afford trucks:

It's funny that they say they're overpaid, but don't go into why they themselves don't go into the trades if they think they're paid so well.

And anyway who cares if it is a larp. If urbanist trannies allowed to larp as a fake women, I should be allowed to larp as Bob the Builder damn it.

Naming mundane things after cool things isn't a new concept. I have a motherboard in my PC literally named the Tomahawk

More dumb car comparisons, this time with shilling for Chinese micro-EVs:

At this point you can not unconvince me that there's some CCP influence going on over at fuckcars. Why is it that despite being in the name the one car they shill is a Chinese made one. Literally could have picked any more tangible examples that Americans can actually buy like the obvious Smartcar, Scion IQ or the Fiat 500.

If they were talking about small cars in general that weren't sold in America, but CAN theoretically be imported you can name many Daihatsus and Honda Kei cars from Japan that fit the 25 year rule and are eligible for import. Unlike mentioning a random Chinese car no one has heard of that can't be imported anyway.

This is probably the 3rd or 4th time they've randomly shilled Chinese cars for no reason.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Here's Figure 48:

Wait 48% of bike accidents are just the idiot nigger falling over? Is that what I'm reading?

 

[quaawaa]

Wait 48% of bike accidents are just the idiot nigger falling over? Is that what I'm reading?

No, it’s even worse. 49% of all accidents (not just bicycle accidents) requiring hospitalization in the Netherlands are caused by cyclists either falling over or running into an object.

All car accidents combined are responsible for 14% of the victims while bike-on-bike accidents alone are responsible for 6% of victims (7% including mopeds and scooters).

 

[JJLiautaud]

One of the arguments used against helmets is that they supposedly inconvenience potential cyclists so they ride less (Australia sometimes being used as an example). Then they point to the Netherlands as an example of where proper infrastructure and priority for cyclists makes it "safe" without helmets, not realizing that cyclists account for 65% of all road accident visits to the emergency room there.

Rule of thumb if you're going faster than you can run you need some sort of safety gear.
Also do we have this data normed to per million passenger kms, just because NJB and co. are disingenuous retards doesn't mean we have to be.

 

[maxell4hd]

Rule of thumb if you're going faster than you can run you need some sort of safety gear.
Also do we have this data normed to per million passenger kms, just because NJB and co. are disingenuous retards doesn't mean we have to be.

The full document from the link posted by quaawaa also provides modal share by passenger-km and passenger-trips. Cycling in the NL accounted for 17.6 billion passenger-km (8%) of ground mobility and 28% of passenger-trips. By comparison cars (as driver and passenger) accounted for 69% of passenger-km and 47% of passenger-trip.

 

[Bonesjones]

If they were talking about small cars in general that weren't sold in America, but CAN theoretically be imported you can name many Daihatsus and Honda Kei cars from Japan that fit the 25 year rule and are eligible for import. Unlike mentioning a random Chinese car no one has heard of that can't be imported anyway.

Except a few states explicitly outlawed them and about half have used loopholes to keep you from registering them as valid vehicles. Again, it's regulations stopping people from having the vehicles people want to push them into larger vehicles.

 

[quaawaa]

Except a few states explicitly outlawed them and about half have used loopholes to keep you from registering them as valid vehicles. Again, it's regulations stopping people from having the vehicles people want to push them into larger vehicles.

You can buy a side-by-side, which is practically the same thing as a Kei truck just with off road suspension.



They’re road legal in about half the states:


So there goes the conspiracy (or reduces it to just normal protectionism for domestic manufacturers of UTVs).

No one buys a UTV as their primary vehicle though and Kei trucks suck off-road compared to side-by-sides, so the Japanese automakers see no reason to bring them over.

I have seen government owned Kei trucks being used as maintenance vehicles, but side-by-sides are more common (especially with parks departments).

Small luxury golf carts are fairly commonly used as transport to/from the beach in Florida:


Small vehicles are not banned in much of the US, they’re just nowhere near as popular as larger vehicles, which have no real downsides if you don’t live in a bughive. If Kei trucks were an actual threat to pickup sales, you’d see a lot more UTVs on the road, but almost everyone who owns one also owns a pickup.

 

[Chuck McGill]

I'm fine with the above as long as they're denied healthcare insurance when they get splattered, and have to pay to clean up and fix whatever splattered them.

This is what always irritates me about them. In every era prior to current year+9, being an outlaw wasn't just something you called yourself to sound badass. It meant just that, you are outside of the law, by scoffing at its limitations you also surrender any protections you might have had. It's an artifice of modern clown world that you have to respect the rights of people that have demonstrated that don't give a shit about yours, even putting their rights above your own as we see in cases like Daniel Penny and Kyle Rittenhouse. Just remember, the people that block highways will scream and cry about "MUH HUMON RIGHT ABOOSES" when you try to move them.

You want to blow through stop signs? You want to weave through traffic with reckless abandon? Fine, you don't get to cry when someone turns you into road pizza.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Walmart is selling some of those silly things and they’re like $8k which sounds nice until you realize you can get a real truck for 2 to 3 times that toy.

 

[F-14 Tomcat]

Realtalk: helmets are annoying and fiddly, and everyone assumes only good things will happen to them.

One of the arguments used against helmets is that they supposedly inconvenience potential cyclists so they ride less (Australia sometimes being used as an example). Then they point to the Netherlands as an example of where proper infrastructure and priority for cyclists makes it "safe" without helmets, not realizing that cyclists account for 65% of all road accident visits to the emergency room there.

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I see. As a point of comparison, does anyone remember the click it or ticket campaign?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_It_or_Ticket

Essentially, the police can pull drivers over for failing to wear a seatbelt. The government spent (and still do spend, but to a lesser degree) a lot of money on billboards, TV ads, radio ads, all sorts of PSAs reminding people to put on their seatbelts. Despite this minor inconvenience being forced upon drivers nationwide, it did not cause millions to abandon their vehicles and usher in a new carfree utopia. Instead what happened was people begrudgingly put on their damn seatbelts.

 

[Bonesjones]

So there goes the conspiracy (or reduces it to just normal protectionism for domestic manufacturers of UTVs).

Being banned in more states than it's allowed is refuting what you say.

No one buys a UTV as their primary vehicle though and Kei trucks suck off-road compared to side-by-sides, so the Japanese automakers see no reason to bring them over.

No one brings small trucks because of the Chicken tax making them 10,000 dollars more expensive for no reason, guaranteeing they are priced out of their niche.

Small vehicles are not banned in much of the US, they’re just nowhere near as popular as larger vehicles, which have no real downsides if you don’t live in a bughive. If Kei trucks were an actual threat to pickup sales, you’d see a lot more UTVs on the road, but almost everyone who owns one also owns a pickup

If they weren't a threat then they wouldn't be increasingly restricted. No one is cross shopping a side by side with an actual truck because the only people buying side by sides are hunters and farmers wanting a smaller off-road utility vehicle with being street legal a bonus and not a requirement. I would go buy a kei truck today if they could be registered in my state. Since my usage would mirror theirs in Japan, a light duty truck for short urban trips.

 

[quaawaa]

I would go buy a kei truck today if they could be registered in my state. Since my usage would mirror theirs in Japan, a light duty truck for short urban trips.

You could also buy a Ford Maverick which is legal in all 50 states and is much safer, faster, and not that much more expensive or larger.