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Snowflakeshoe0nhead / June Lapine / June La Porta & Armoured Skeptic / Gregory "Greg" Fluhrer - A poor man's Boxxy: rejected by Vaush, disowned by /pol/ for burning coal, sleeps in a dog's bed surrounded by trash, and her ex-boyfriend.
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It will be like when the Wile E. Coyote runs off a ledge, but only falls when he looks down and finds out he is standing on nothing. Shoe finds out about her reduced fertility and the kid fades out of existence like Marty almost did in Back to the Future.
In terms of worrying about whether she'll keep her Internet life and family life separate...the fact that she censored the little one's face is actually a very good sign. Shows that she at least wants some privacy
Who is the father?
If this doesn't make her drop the moniker that old /b/ gave her, it's not endearing, /b/ called her a whore with GOTIS, which she was.
Better yet, she'd better off as a normie outside internet, that's a very optimistic thought.
I'd hate to see more Nick tier child neglect happen when honeymoon is over.
Third world countries aren't facing population collapse.
I'm not saying kids should get pregnant in their teens. I specifically used the example of a college graduate who has a few years experience working. You're purposely misrepresenting my position.
When I was growing up, parents starting in the mid 20's was the norm. Only recently has geriatric pregnancies (35 or older) been the norm.
To be fair, based on the photos she posted from her wedding, it looked like the wedding was very much planned already, and it takes a long time to plan a wedding. Most weddings that aren't in a courthouse are booked about a year in advance, and it looked like Shoe and her husband had a traditional wedding.
Sure, if you do the math, it does appear to be a shotgun wedding ... But the wedding was most likely happening already, and they got pregnant while they were engaged. Not very scandalous, in my opinion.
And, again, to be fair to Shoe, even if they got married because of the pregnancy, then she found a guy who did the right thing. Of all the things I've said about Shoe and judged her over the years, getting pregnant and doing right by that baby by making the family official is not one of those things I'm going to judge her on.
To be fair, based on the photos she posted from her wedding, it looked like the wedding was very much planned already, and it takes a long time to plan a wedding. Most weddings that aren't in a courthouse are booked about a year in advance, and it looked like Shoe and her husband had a traditional wedding.
Sure, if you do the math, it does appear to be a shotgun wedding ... But the wedding was most likely happening already, and they got pregnant while they were engaged. Not very scandalous, in my opinion.
And, again, to be fair to Shoe, even if they got married because of the pregnancy, then she found a guy who did the right thing. Of all the things I've said about Shoe and judged her over the years, getting pregnant and doing right by that baby by making the family official is not one of those things I'm going to judge her on.
She has wanted marriage and kid for ages, it was Greg who wasted her time cause he was a non-committal loser. It's not surprising she moved fast as soon as she found a guy who wants the same thing as her. No doubt they want several kids so waiting until after the wedding would have been stupid. It's not really trashy to be a couple of weeks pregnant on your wedding when you're 30+ and not getting married BECAUSE you're pregnant. I'm sure she'll be preggo with #2 soon, especially since her hubby doesn't believe in birth control. Doubt they will wait the recommended amount of time.
She has wanted marriage and kid for ages, it was Greg who wasted her time cause he was a non-committal loser. It's not surprising she moved fast as soon as she found a guy who wants the same thing as her. No doubt they want several kids so waiting until after the wedding would have been stupid. It's not really trashy to be a couple of weeks pregnant on your wedding when you're 30+ and not getting married BECAUSE you're pregnant. I'm sure she'll be preggo with #2 soon, especially since her hubby doesn't believe in birth control. Doubt they will wait the recommended amount of time.
You know, during Shoe and Skeptic's relationship, I was cringed out by the both of them, but I did actually ponder the possibility of Greg not committing because June was immature (refused to move into her own place, was pretty much an online recluse with some arrested development, little life experience, etc.). And while that was true about June to a certain extent, it's clear now that Greg was just taking advantage of the situation and strung her along because he's the immature one. Clearly he felt high and mighty controlling June and that relationship.
After about a year into their engagement, it was clear to see that the ring he gave June was a "shut up ring." We've all seen dudes who do this to women. And based on what I've seen with my husband and so many other men ... When a man truly loves a woman, they don't waste ANY time to make commitments.
It's sad that June gave up a lot of her dignity while she was with Greg (and ultimately that was a choice she made, so she definitely gets some accountability here), but it's satisfying to see someone like Greg being all alone and miserable. He's a vampire and a narcissist, and he's dying from his lack of supply right now. All he has right now are his failures to ruminate over ... Which is hilarious.
In terms of worrying about whether she'll keep her Internet life and family life separate...the fact that she censored the little one's face is actually a very good sign. Shows that she at least wants some privacy
Anecdotally that's not what I see. I see a lot more manchild / arrested development type behavior especially affecting affluent young women.
I frequently tell people it's better to have kids when you are young and have lots of energy. The ability to stay awake all night at a rave is really there for 20 year olds to be up all night with cranky babies.
Emotional and mental maturity in the parents is far more important than physical energy. If you truly do know a bunch of arrested development women, why tf would you want them having kids?
Yeah starting a family is hard, and single income households are difficult, but how does waiting help that? Are you saying that a majority of people are going to significantly increase their income between age 28-35? I can see that being the case if you're going back to school to get into a new career, but I don't think most employees are going to increase their salary to the point where they can have their spouse quit. If so, why shouldn't younger women marry older men so they have the flexibility to dedicate time to parent and enter back into the workforce later?
Theres always going to be reasons why raising children is hard. My parents figured it out when they immigrated here and were poverty level for the first years of my life. My friends who got married and had children in their early 20's figured it out.
I also know a lot of people in their mid 30's who make many multiples over what the previous people make who push back having kids while spending months out of the year traveling abroad and going on all sorts of vacations.
I recommend anyone reading who is thinking of having kids to consider the very real biological realities. The dangers of geriatric pregnancies are very real. The chance of autism and downs syndrome increases dramatically the older the woman is. Downs syndrome happens about one in 1500 at age 20 and about 1 in 300 by age 35. Save the world from another Chris Chan.
People who are financially responsible and want to eventually start a family are building up their savings account. For these people, waiting another couple years can make a very big difference. It can also get them to a point in their career where they are able to have a more flexible schedule or better benefits. It can give them a large enough nest egg to homeschool for a few years or make sending their kid to private school less painful. Although we live in more politically correct times, women who try to re-enter the workforce with a large gap in their resume from raising kids are still discriminated against, and I've had to wrist-slap hiring managers for it at my own job. An employer looks at that resume with experience ending five or more years prior is going to set it aside. If you stop work to birth and raise a few kids you need to understand that you are permanently hampering your income, which means you're also hampering your household income. Many people will think it's worth it for kids, which is fine, but you seem to not understand the long-term financial implications of having kids young.
If you know people in their 30s who aren't having kids because they want to travel, then those people don't want to have kids. Simple as.
To your points about geriatric pregnancies and younger women marrying older men. The age of the father affects the chances of the child having Downs or autism as well. Downs happens in 1 in 1200 cases if the mother is in her late 20s, 1 in 1000 if she's in her earlier 30s, 1 in 400 if she's over 35, and so on. 1 in 400 is still extremely low odds. The health and genetics of the mother, rather than just age, is much more important. I'd bet on a healthy, fit, mentally sound mother who's 35 over a 21 year old with PCOS and anxiety.
This mf lettin the economy decide the fate of their family line.
Also, "But the weird push by many religious conservatives to have everyone squirt out kids by 25 is insane" is such a weird take. 20-25 are like prime ages to have healthy kids , and equally as important, you'll be at an age where as they grow, you can maintain the energy level to see them properly guided. You don't have to be religious to agree with that.
I won't completely dunk on your economic concerns, because being able to provide is indeed important, but a person who worries about money too much will likely just end up being childless even if-and-when they do obtain the means to provide.
You shouldn't be squirting out kids before you can legally drink or before you're out of college (assuming you go to college). Mental maturity and economic stability is far more important than whether or not your knees pop when you get up from a squat. You have a point about waiting until the perfect financial time, but economic factors are extremely important. Women will often become temporarily infertile if they are very sick, malnourished, or going through extreme physical training because their bodies know they can't afford to grow a child. In a similar fashion, people will choose not to have kids if they think they can't provide well (poor housing, poor mental or physical health, etc.). It is not at all surprising that people who think they can't raise a kid well in this economy are choosing not to have kids. If you're living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to pay rent, why would you add a kid to that?
Anecdotal certainly, but I live in an area with a lot of "geriatric moms" and none of the ones in my circle have autistic, retarded, or otherwise problem kids. I mean, we all have access to abortion, but then again I knew about many of my friend's pregnancies early on so ...
The older parents I know with autistic kids happen to also be pretty fuckin weird themselves. The one family I know with a downs kid happens to be the first born. Then again, many of the kids at the special day class on my kids' campus belong to older parents. So, it's certainly a phenomena, but shouldn't stop good people from starting families on the later side.
Older parents are more likely to have kids with mental or physical issues, but it's still a low probability and is more dependent on other factors rather than just age.
I have twin relatives, one has autism and one doesn't, they were born to a mother in her mid 20s. I have another relative who had a mental breakdown while pregnant because her husband had a health scare and they thought he was going to die and leave her alone with multiple small children. Health scare resolved in a few months, but the son she had is mentally fucked in the head and there is no doubt in my mind it's linked to his mother's despair and fear while she was preggo. She was also in her mid 20s. I have multiple siblings and we were homeschooled by a stay at home mom and then sent to private school. We could only do this because my father makes very good money and because some relatives invested in our education as well.
You know, during Shoe and Skeptic's relationship, I was cringed out by the both of them, but I did actually ponder the possibility of Greg not committing because June was immature (refused to move into her own place, was pretty much an online recluse with some arrested development, little life experience, etc.). And while that was true about June to a certain extent, it's clear now that Greg was just taking advantage of the situation and strung her along because he's the immature one. Clearly he felt high and mighty controlling June and that relationship.
After about a year into their engagement, it was clear to see that the ring he gave June was a "shut up ring." We've all seen dudes who do this to women. And based on what I've seen with my husband and so many other men ... When a man truly loves a woman, they don't waste ANY time to make commitments.
It's sad that June gave up a lot of her dignity while she was with Greg (and ultimately that was a choice she made, so she definitely gets some accountability here), but it's satisfying to see someone like Greg being all alone and miserable. He's a vampire and a narcissist, and he's dying from his lack of supply right now. All he has right now are his failures to ruminate over ... Which is hilarious.
Greg’s first wife divorced him because he kept spending thousands on Star Wars toys instead of using some of that money to pay bills. It put a massive strain on the relationship. Most guys that have hobbies like that at least know how to budget, but Greg does not. I’d be curious to see if he’s made better spending decisions compared to his past.
No, stalker child, I am not the sperm donor to any of June's children, those are your delusions. Enjoy banworld.
