Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Congratulations to everyone for 3000 pages of Star Wars autism. Here's hoping we get another 3000.

So I guess the best way is some like the newer stuff, while older fans can like the older stuff sans the newer stuff?
Yep.

Still, sucks that J. J. "Cleaver of Continuity" Abrams screwed up both the SW and ST franchises.
Well, that's what you get when you have Hollywood chumps who look upon nerd franchises with a patronizing eye get involved with said franchises.
 
I just wanna go back to when I was a teenager and Star Wars movie marathons aired all the time on SpikeTV. If not that time, then when I was in grade school back when Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars shorts were airing on TV. That stretch of time was so fucking cool to me because the story of the Clone Wars was told primarily through alternate media, like comics, TV shows, and video games. It's how I found out that an "expanded universe" existed for this awesome science fiction franchise where alien space monks with laser swords fight against armies of other aliens and robots. Disney shitcanned the EU some time in 2014, a little while after I entered college. That was when the thread of prophecy was irrevocably severed, I'm afraid.
 
Still, sucks that J. J. "Cleaver of Continuity" Abrams screwed up both the SW and ST franchises.

Small point of order:
JJ didn't cleave the Star Trek continuity, Paramount corporate did that, JJ just got the mandate.

tl;dr: Star Wars the series is owned by CBS, CBS entered in movie agreements with Paramount for the movies. CBS was bought by Viacom, and then Viacom and Paramount merged, and then split again . This caused a dividing up the rights for star trek - Viacom got the rights to TV, Paramount got the movie deals, and there was a bunch of legalese that both could make new TV/Movies but they had to keep them distinct from the other's output unless otherwise agreed on.

This is why we got the dog shit alternate timeline horseshit - because it would make it very, very clear the movies were their own thing. You can see the nebulous state of the agreement in the script: at no point in JJ's star treks does anyone say "Phaser" because phaser is a trademarked word and Paramount wasn't sure if Viacom would try to fuck them for using it.
(You can see similar issues with X-men. Post disney buy-out and until Disney bought fox, the words "mutant" and "Adamantium" virtually disappeared from X-men comic.)

Viacom and Paramount have merged back shortly after JJ's last Star Trek movie, and this is why that continuity has been abandoned - there's no need anymore, all the Trek is back under one umbrella and they can say Phaser - with the hard R - again.
 
don't think they'll be doing that. More likely the evil twin will die a horrible death, but the good twin will get so disillusioned with the Jedi that she takes up her sister's mantle, if she does go evil at all.
That's not Disney enough.

The evil twin will sacrifice herself to own the patriarchal chuds, the good twin will preach to the Jedi how to fix things. They'll clap for her stunning bravery, but fail to fix it because they are only men and lack the necessary ovaries to follow her brilliant plan.
 
I heard that the Acolyte is a pile of shit and had a quick look on r/StarWars to see what the vibe was. My god those people on there are biggest coomsumers who can't look at anything critically. No matter how bad something is, once it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it they're all like "It's great! it's amazing! stop being negative! I bet you voted for Donald Trump!"
 
I just wanna go back to when I was a teenager and Star Wars movie marathons aired all the time on SpikeTV. If not that time, then when I was in grade school back when Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars shorts were airing on TV. That stretch of time was so fucking cool to me because the story of the Clone Wars was told primarily through alternate media, like comics, TV shows, and video games. It's how I found out that an "expanded universe" existed for this awesome science fiction franchise where alien space monks with laser swords fight against armies of other aliens and robots. Disney shitcanned the EU some time in 2014, a little while after I entered college. That was when the thread of prophecy was irrevocably severed, I'm afraid.
Honestly, I think the loss of the EU and alternate media between Clone Wars trilogy to the Rey trilogy is partially contributory to why the new trilogy isn't as well regarded. The prequels had their share of problems to be certain, but George Lucas wasn't stupid. He knew damn well the tie-in games and novels would keep the fans there, so he took great care to let then flourish. He very famously was open to alternate works so long as they followed basic rules like "no time travel" and "no naming Yoda's species ya dweebs". And for all of problems the prequels had, Lucas still nailed a lot of the tiny worldbuilding elements and created a setting that felt open to those sorts of works.

With Disney the amount of alternate content is severely limited, with multiple games spanning across multiple genres slowing down to a trickle of MTX-ridden schlock that's almost always just chasing the latest trends. Hell, when they do release something, its almost always set in a different era than the sequel trilogy, which reads to me as a tacit admission the ST is bankrupt creatively. The only one that comes close is The Mandalorian, and even that's set a few years prior.
 
Honestly, I think the loss of the EU and alternate media between Clone Wars trilogy to the Rey trilogy is partially contributory to why the new trilogy isn't as well regarded. The prequels had their share of problems to be certain, but George Lucas wasn't stupid. He knew damn well the tie-in games and novels would keep the fans there, so he took great care to let then flourish. He very famously was open to alternate works so long as they followed basic rules like "no time travel" and "no naming Yoda's species ya dweebs". And for all of problems the prequels had, Lucas still nailed a lot of the tiny worldbuilding elements and created a setting that felt open to those sorts of works.

With Disney the amount of alternate content is severely limited, with multiple games spanning across multiple genres slowing down to a trickle of MTX-ridden schlock that's almost always just chasing the latest trends. Hell, when they do release something, its almost always set in a different era than the sequel trilogy, which reads to me as a tacit admission the ST is bankrupt creatively. The only one that comes close is The Mandalorian, and even that's set a few years prior.
I'm retreading old ground, but the other big difference is in how the EU and Disney treat canon.

The EU had distinct canonical levels, from basically non-canon at the bottom all the way up to the movies at the top, with anything George directly stated being equivalent to or above the movies themselves. If two works referred to the same events, the higher level superseded it. They also had lore autists working diligently to ensure that any new EU works could fit in to the whole picture without fucking things up too seriously. The result is a universe where a fan can delve as deep as they want to without being required to. If all you cared about was the movies, you could watch them from start to finish and have a complete story. If you wanted further adventures, that's what the EU was for, branching off into many directions.

Disney instead decided to make literally everything the same level of canon, which gave them an excuse to not bother actually telling complete stories because some other writer hired for peanuts will come along later and fill in the blanks. This is partly why Disney's movies are just nonsense, with vast amounts of vital information not given to the audience in the movies themselves and a lot of those details left to tie-in material, whether it's awful novelizations or the Emperor returning in Fortnite. Of course, many of these writers are just using it as an excuse to tell their stories, which is how you get shit like fart weddings and long discussions about how female soldiers menstruate. Couple this with a lack of overall direction and the aforementioned autists either no longer working there or not being listened to, and you have a fictional universe where you need to consoom everything to have some idea of what's going on, but there are so many inconsistencies and retcons from writers just doing whatever the fuck they want that it's basically impossible to get the overall picture.

It's no wonder they've steered clear of anything to do with the sequels since then. I am going to be very surprised if their attempted Rey movie even gets off the ground. Normal audiences don't like the obvious Mary Sue, and Reylos got betrayed by their killing him off in the last movie. Who is going to show up to see a boring plank of wood again?
 
Just a reminder: In their review for the film, RedLetterMedia actually fucking said that The Force Awakens was better than Return of the Jedi.

Just...remember that anytime anyone tries to treat them like ANY credible authority on Star Wars. Or films in general.
Man ive always fucking hated the force awakens way more than the last Jedi. Im sorry but I can't take people who say they thought TFA was good but then TLJ "ruined it" seriously. Yes TLJ ruined Luke but TFA was just a carbon copy of a new hope. If you like that shit you must be a soy consumer or some shit.
 
Who is going to show up to see a boring plank of wood again?
The Star Wars consoomers who don't care about the built-up lore, continuity and common sense.
Yes TLJ ruined Luke but TFA was just a carbon copy of a new hope.
Yup, I LOL whenever I hear people saying in the past that Ep. 7 was a breath of fresh air compared to the prequels yet as you said, it's just a carbon copy of Ep. 4. And don't get me started on people saying that the sequel trilogy is the "greatestest trilogy evar!!!111oneoneone" compared to the prequel and original.
 
Man ive always fucking hated the force awakens way more than the last Jedi. Im sorry but I can't take people who say they thought TFA was good but then TLJ "ruined it" seriously. Yes TLJ ruined Luke but TFA was just a carbon copy of a new hope. If you like that shit you must be a soy consumer or some shit.
I've said it for years, and I'll keep saying it, because it never stops being true:

If you liked TFA or gave that trash a free a pass, you deserved a movie as bad as TLJ. When you lower the standard that Disney/LFL has to meet, you deserve every awful thing they do next.
 
I've been hearing that the leaks from episode 3 are out. However I'm unable to find them.
 
Couple this with a lack of overall direction and the aforementioned autists either no longer working there or not being listened to, and you have a fictional universe where you need to consoom everything to have some idea of what's going on, but there are so many inconsistencies and retcons from writers just doing whatever the fuck they want that it's basically impossible to get the overall picture.
Also known as the MCU syndrome. Really, people practically asked for that after giving the MCU such rave reviews. Now Star Wars is taking the same direction, which means that if some jobber wants to know what's going on in Ahsoka, they'll have to watch TCW, Rebels, the Boba Fett show, and three seasons of Mando. Good luck.

As for writer inconsistency, that has always been a problem with SW, but the canon hierarchy works to keep that in check. If you believe that Karen Traviss' writing is bullshit and Legacy of the Force shouldn't exist, you can skip from the NJO novels right to the Legacy comics and pretend that nothing important happened between them. You can't do the same for the new canon.

Of course, many of these writers are just using it as an excuse to tell their stories, which is how you get shit like fart weddings and long discussions about how female soldiers menstruate.
That's actually kind of funny. Female soldiers menstruating would just give commanders another reason to hire male soldiers exclusively. Like I said before, Disney Star Wars has a history of accidentally being based, even though they don't want to be. Ahsoka, the show exclusively about female Jedi, was upstaged by male characters like Baylan and Anakin. The Sequels showed us that the Second Amendment saved the galaxy, as it is citizens with arms, not the government, which saves everyone from fascism.

The EU had distinct canonical levels, from basically non-canon at the bottom all the way up to the movies at the top, with anything George directly stated being equivalent to or above the movies themselves. If two works referred to the same events, the higher level superseded it. They also had lore autists working diligently to ensure that any new EU works could fit in to the whole picture without fucking things up too seriously. The result is a universe where a fan can delve as deep as they want to without being required to. If all you cared about was the movies, you could watch them from start to finish and have a complete story. If you wanted further adventures, that's what the EU was for, branching off into many directions.
Lore autists are an important part of any sci-fi franchise. Hence why the old SWEU had a sense of consistency that modern SW and other lores did not. They either have retcons and resets like American capeshit, or they go the Warhammer 40K route and say that nothing is canon so that any author is free to do as they wished.

Honestly, I think the loss of the EU and alternate media between Clone Wars trilogy to the Rey trilogy is partially contributory to why the new trilogy isn't as well regarded. The prequels had their share of problems to be certain, but George Lucas wasn't stupid. He knew damn well the tie-in games and novels would keep the fans there, so he took great care to let then flourish. He very famously was open to alternate works so long as they followed basic rules like "no time travel" and "no naming Yoda's species ya dweebs". And for all of problems the prequels had, Lucas still nailed a lot of the tiny worldbuilding elements and created a setting that felt open to those sorts of works.
Even as the Prequels were being panned by the critics, fans were enjoying the films and loving the SWEU works, from KOTOR to Republic Commando, to the comics and novels. Star Wars was depicted as a living universe, and Lucas even made it so that the Prequels had nods and winks to the SWEU, which implied that the SWEU and the Prequels were in canon with each other. That was the proper way of making a sci-fi universe.

Disney instead decided to make literally everything the same level of canon, which gave them an excuse to not bother actually telling complete stories because some other writer hired for peanuts will come along later and fill in the blanks.
That's the problem with all parts being supposedly canon. In the end, it is not. Some comic or novel written in the past can be overridden by someone like Dave Filoni who wants to tell his own story of how Ahsoka fared in Mandalore or how Caleb Dune saw his master die.
 
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JJ Abraham's and his mystery box has been a disaster for Star Wars.
JJ gets too much flack for Disney Wars. Yeah he's a hack, but Disney hired him specifically to make the shitty generic rip-off that he made, then rehired him again to make another shitty generic ripoff. He didn't inject all the faggotry into the franchise, and though he's responsibly for shucking and jiving Finn he's not the one who filled the galaxy with negroes, trannies, and ugly lesbians. A Star Wars franchise in the same vein as Star Trek Into Darkness would have been amazing compared to the nonsense we're getting now: cute girls in their underwear, mostly white casts with a couple of insignificant diversity hires, and decent action not all shot on the same 12x12 soundstage in front of a projector.
 
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JJ gets too much flack for Disney Wars. Yeah he's a hack, but Disney hired him specifically to make the shitty generic rip-off that he made, then rehired him again to make another shitty generic ripoff. He didn't inject all the faggotry into the franchise, and though he's responsibly for shucking and jiving Finn he's not the one who filled the galaxy with negroes, trannies, and ugly lesbians. A Star Wars franchise in the same vein as Star Trek Into Darkness would have been amazing compared to the nonsense we're getting now: cute girls in their underwear, mostly white casts with a couple of insignificant diversity hires, and decent action not all shot on the same 12x12 soundstage in front of a projector.

No, he definitely deserves his fair share of the blame. Set reports said he and KKK were yukking it up about making gross, brown aliens because it was "funny". He also filled the movies with his shitty mystery boxes.
Unlike Star Trek where he just directed, he wrote TFA & EPIX.
 
No, he definitely deserves his fair share of the blame. Set reports said he and KKK were yukking it up about making gross, brown aliens because it was "funny". He also filled the movies with his shitty mystery boxes.
Unlike Star Trek where he just directed, he wrote TFA & EPIX.
His fair share indeed, but blaming him for the faggotry that followed is retarded. If JJ didn't do it they would have hired some other hack like Brett Ratner to churn out a remake of A New Hope. It's a mystery box, not a faggot box. Him not explaining how that shitty little alien got Luke's lightsaber isn't why the franchise turned into a pervert's playground.
 
I heard that the Acolyte is a pile of shit and had a quick look on r/StarWars to see what the vibe was. My god those people on there are biggest coomsumers who can't look at anything critically. No matter how bad something is, once it has the Star Wars logo slapped on it they're all like "It's great! it's amazing! stop being negative! I bet you voted for Donald Trump!"

That's why places like r/saltierthancrait and some other places since were created.

I haven't been there in years but there's one r/starwarscantina that's mission is to be positive. It was beyond a joke last time I looked where I couldn't tell if it was trolls pretending to be shill corporate fans. I just assume these places are bots, paid people or just full on fucking retards who think they're doing the good work by pretending. I remember I'd read stuff and there's no way a sane person could actually think it about the Disney Star Wars.


I've been hearing that the leaks from episode 3 are out. However I'm unable to find them.

Film Threat seems to be the only place who saw the first four episodes and talk about it. I haven't watched this but I assume this is it. They're the main source I have seen people refer to with the threads and lesbian witches.

https://youtu.be/eOFCF1RbarY?si=ROUPUUZxrpmn-qTb
 
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