2016 US Presidential Election Thread 2 - Always Darkest before Don

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IwegalBadnik said:
I don't see why Sanders didn't give it a whirl.

He has an existing base from the primaries and could no doubt draw some Democrats--perhaps even Republicans against Trump into backing him.
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If the Russian hackers are to be believed, he was controlled opposition.
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
Some of the Democrats have taken to the idea that third parties were to blame for Bush's 2000 victory. In reality, the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. While Nader picked up about 24,000 Democrats' votes, Bush gained 308,000 Democrats' votes.

Though splitting the vote is possible for third parties to do, the most famous purported example of the spoiler effect is mythical.
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Perot got nearly 19% of the vote in 1992.
 
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Jan_Hus said:
And I'll agree with this. I can't help but think if Kasich or Bush had done something similar, the left, NBC, CNN and such would be howling for blood
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They were howling mad talking about sending Bush to prison for shit that wasn't even criminal. There are two standards in this country and if anything the Left and MSM have dropped all pretense and showed what hypocrites they are this time around for everyone to see
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
I don't see why Sanders didn't give it a whirl.

He has an existing base from the primaries and could probably draw some Democrats--perhaps even Republicans against Trump into backing him.
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If Sanders ran 3rd party he'd have a worse reputation amongst the people he'd need to convert than Nader. He'd be such a persona-non-grata amongst Democrat partisans that he'd never get anywhere. These are people who still blame Nader for 2000 despite 200,000 Democrats voting Bush over Gore in Florida.

That and I'm fairly sure he's promoting Hillary this cycle because he doesn't want him or his family to get barbelled in the near future. When the candidate you're running against controls the party to the point of rigging the entire primary, and the media doesn't give a shit, you're treading on dangerous waters.

He's also not a Green in many ways, including energy policy. The Green party as it currently stands reeks of an outside party that never has to put their policy in action since almost all of it is idealistic to a fault and unrealistic 99% of the time.
 
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Null said:
If the Russian hackers are to be believed, he was controlled opposition.
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Rou said:
Cause he didn't want to fragment the Democratic vote. And he was done with it when he lost.
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There to shepherd voters more to the Left than Clinton in the hopes that they'd back her. I've heard that, and I think it's possibly that he may have been set up to do that albeit unintentionally.

I do have to say I doubt that all of Sanders' supporters will turn up for her. She spat on them for months. Lots of them remember that.
 
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Also the votes from Americans who live in Israel has been counted and Trump won 49-44

That's even though there are more of Democrats than Republicans by a sizeable margin. 25% of democrats crossed the aisle and voted Trump
 
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IwegalBadnik said:
There to shepherd voters more to the Left than Clinton in the hopes that they'd back her. I've heard that, and I think it's possibly that he may have been set up to do that albeit unintentionally.
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That shit is just a feel good story Bernouts tell themselves to sleep at night after voting for the Wicked Witch.

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Null said:
That shit is just a feel good story Bernouts tell themselves to sleep at night after voting for the Wicked Witch.

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That's why I added this in an edit though:

IwegalBadnik said:
I do have to say I doubt that all of Sanders' supporters will turn up for her. She spat on them for months. Lots of them remember that.
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While some Sanders supporters will undoubtedly (and regretably) follow his calls to get behind Clinton, many will not. I think Clinton is overestimating the amount of support she'll have picked up from Sanders.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Also the votes from Americans who live in Israel has been counted and Trump won 49-44

That's even though there are more of Democrats than Republicans by a sizeable margin. 25% of democrats crossed the aisle and voted Trump
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Honestly surprised expats are going for Trump in any manner, since they largely want globalist presidents who are internationally popular like Obama and Clinton, not candidates unpopular abroad like Trump. I know several former expats who are voting Clinton to stop Trump chiefly because "he's an international embarrassment".

IwegalBadnik said:
While some Sanders supporters will undoubtedly (and regretably) follow his calls to get behind Clinton, many will not. I think Clinton is overestimating the amount of support she'l have picked up from Sanders.
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If this election has the terrible far-left turnout I think it will, the DNC will continue to alternate between half-hearted lip service and spitting on their progressive base because they didn't come out to support Nu-Nixon. I'm still thinking Stein may make 4% nationally as a protest vote, despite how terrible a candidate she is.
 
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Ruin said:
To his credit he does tend to stand by his statements regardless of how stupid they are.
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Yeah but that is a pretty exceptional stupid thought, it's like denying the existence of gravity. We have proof that Saudi Arabia isn't democratic and even describes itself as an absolute monarchy with the Quran as its Constitution.
 
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Absolutego said:
Honestly surprised expats are going for Trump in any manner, since they largely want globalist presidents who are internationally popular like Obama and Clinton, not candidates unpopular abroad like Trump. I know several former expats who are voting Clinton to stop Trump chiefly because "he's an international embarrassment".
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Well, if Expats are voting for Trump, that might be an ominous sign for Clinton and the Democrats back on home soil. But as I say, I reckon its far too close to call at the moment.
 
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