Furry Fandom and Drama General

If anyone is interested, the full talk was posted on YouTube with this link (Archive). The link was taken from this tweet (Archive).
I actually read (not listened, they must have put the mic in his mask so it blew the audio out) the transcript for this and was impressed with this guy's resume (MD in newborn ICU, research scientist and inventor of green light heart monitors used in smart watches) and ideas about healthcare, so I looked him up. He apparently owns 46 fursuits, including several of the most expensive suits ever made. This man has spent at least 100k on suits. He also regularly attends work in fursuits, including zentai/latex suits.

He supposedly held an exhibition at Burning Man 2019 where he hung up a bunch of furry make-out pillows on PVC pipes for some reason but I can't find any record of the event (playa?) on Burning Man's website.
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>be David Benaron
>be autistic child of Polish and Russian immigrants
>spend 40 years in school at Harvard, MIT, Standford
>become a respected physician in a highly specialized field
>collaborate with other pioneers in your field to invent new technologies in the treatment of cancer
>start several medical technology companies
>give speeches at Berkeley and other high profile events talking about your accomplishments
>have two children with wife
>living the American Dream
>blow 100k on fursuits, commission fetish art, do gay furry house parties and force your coworkers to tolerate you coming to work in tiger-stripe latex


I am equal parts disgusted and impressed.

Wikipedia
His website (archive)
Wikifur page with links
 
>be David Benaron
>be autistic child of Polish and Russian immigrants
>spend 40 years in school at Harvard, MIT, Standford
>become a respected physician in a highly specialized field
>collaborate with other pioneers in your field to invent new technologies in the treatment of cancer
>start several medical technology companies
>give speeches at Berkeley and other high profile events talking about your accomplishments
>have two children with wife
>living the American Dream
>blow 100k on fursuits, commission fetish art, do gay furry house parties and force your coworkers to tolerate you coming to work in tiger-stripe latex
It's the real life version of
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well done, Thanks for compiling these. All the true crime channels blurping about it are kind of saying "oh but what if all these interests are because she's dealing with trauma" which I suppose could be true but either way it's yet again more proof that internet sexual degeneracy shouldn't be taken lightly. I assume since the allegations she's emptied anything she might have. Not that anyone with a brain didn't already hate furries. Father a serial killer and daughter has sexual interest in torture and cannibalism a coincidence? probably not
I’ve posted the comic related to this. It’s as fowl as the prosecutor makes it sound.
The actual content of Victoria's accounts is pretty benign- the boomer lawyer's presentation might give the false impression that she was directly posting furry gore, whereas in fact she was only following people who posted furry and/or gore and/or drawn CP. Still suspicious as fuck, but not exactly a smoking gun.
 
I've watched this happening multiple times throughout the years: some painfully straight but horny and/or lonely guy starts hanging out with furries.
This genuinely surprises me. My mental model of the jailhouse gay furry has always been "Dude loves furry porn; his biggest fantasy is having sex with his furry waifu; he realizes women aren't into that; he decides that having sex with a man in a fursuit gets him closer to the vision in his head than having sex with a normal, naked woman." I always thought these guys should just leave the furry community, hide their powerlevel, find some dorky woman, and reach some compromise with her about how much of the fetish she is willing to accommodate (she might balk at a fursuit but would being willing to throw on some ears and a tail once in a while). I think a lot of woman are more willing to do such things than they might seem, as long as it's discreet and they actually like the guy/think he's cool otherwise: Juju the Cow gets his udder milked by making normal women laugh, not by trawling the halls of Anthrocon for tail.

I'm aware many men go through life without ever having the experience of being sexually desired by a woman, and it's not terribly surprising some of them would go for the only people, gay guys, who do express such desire. And it makes sense that some of these men would adopt furry stuff as a way to make going gay more palatable. But the idea that there are gay furries out there who are not only not fundamentally gay, but not even fundamentally furry, fills my heart with pity.
 
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I've watched this happening multiple times throughout the years: some painfully straight but horny and/or lonely guy starts hanging out with furries.
If looking at pictures of cartoon dogs fucking can turn you gay, I think you were secretly bi the whole time.
I also think furries and the male propensity to develop ridiculous fetishes at the drop of a hat proves that male sexuality is way more fluid and easily manipulated than female sexuality, and guys who talk about "every girl is secretly bisexual, bro," are projecting.
 
If looking at pictures of cartoon dogs fucking can turn you gay, I think you were secretly bi the whole time.
I also think furries and the male propensity to develop ridiculous fetishes at the drop of a hat proves that male sexuality is way more fluid and easily manipulated than female sexuality, and guys who talk about "every girl is secretly bisexual, bro," are projecting.
Women will drunkenly peck their best friend on the mouth at a bachelorette party and declare themselves bi while men will blow a stranger and insist they're straight.
 
If looking at pictures of cartoon dogs fucking can turn you gay, I think you were secretly bi the whole time.
That's the funny bit, though: they'll say they're as gay as the day is long, but if you look at their preferences in porn it's usually wall-to-wall tits, and often not even in futa form. Any gay sex they might have when meeting their "friends" at a con once a year is basically a formality in order to maintain their membership to the group. That's why I call these guys jailhouse gay. They can train themselves to masturbate to the most degenerate forms of pornography out there, but if given the option to fuck a woman without consequences, most of them would instantly drop the pretense of being gay.

(Note: I'm talking about the guys I knew who started out being straight and had no previous homoerotic experiences. The actual out-and-out gay guys who joined the furry fandom just turned into massive, gleeful degenerates instead.)

I also think furries and the male propensity to develop ridiculous fetishes at the drop of a hat proves that male sexuality is way more fluid and easily manipulated than female sexuality, and guys who talk about "every girl is secretly bisexual, bro," are projecting.
Men can absolutely train themselves to jack off to almost everything. On the other hand, the ideal of a sexual act isn't the same as the act itself. I've lost count of the amount of would-be degenerates (furries or otherwise) I've seen who were all in on "musk" play or feet/paw fetishes who ended up sorely disappointed when they tried the real deal and ended up retching. It all looked great for them in fiction, but trying it in real life was a whole different set of sensory stimuli from "rubbing one out in their dark bedroom".

Of course, some do push on through and stick with a kink they originally didn't enjoy. Those usually end up going down the slippery slope of multiple kinks as time goes on.
 
Apparently Fuzzamorous didn't tell his parents he was dating a black natural-oils-retard and drawing furry porn commissions. After having two strokes, he was forced to choose between continuing to draw furry porn or live rent free in his parent's house.

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Fuzzamorous claims he didn't want to draw furry porn anymore anyways but I find that hard to believe considering the amount of porn in his favorites. Also why does he need to live with his parents when he makes beaucoup money on his repetitive furry trash? For some reason he also got permbanned on furaffinity. I don't believe it's because he tried to delete his FA. None of his art is gone If it were really that, he could've just filed a DMCA to have his art removed.
 
I don't believe it's because he tried to delete his FA. None of his art is gone If it were really that, he could've just filed a DMCA to have his art removed.
FA will, however, ban accounts that have been compromised by hacking or by someone else accessing them. His Xitter account also appears to be gone.

I remember seeing a post from him not long ago that seemed positive about his physical recovery and returning to art, no mention of quitting.
 
I'll tell you about someone else, though, and maybe that'll answer your question while also being thread-relevant. One time I came across a guy online who was in his mid fifties, who'd been a furry for thirty years. What I noticed about his taste in porn was that all of the gay stuff seemed to be "femboys". Thirty years, and he never got into muscular (cartoon animal) men. It's all just these diet-women.

It shocked me, because I had assumed that that was impossible and that masculine stuff "clicking" at some point was an inevitability on a long enough time-frame—say, maybe, a few months to half a decade. It's the only time I've ever wondered if there might be some kind of innate component to this, but I still doubt it. He probably just wasn't particularly creative.

I have to assume that that's what you mean by a straight person "seeking out degenerate gay porn"—settling for diet women. I don't think that these things are innate or immutable so much as that if you learn to wrap your head around something you never stop being able to, but I think we're on the same page on the "straight people looking at gay porn" question.

Of course, that assumes that he's reading "femboys" as "diet women" and not "diet little boys". That vibe is a big part of why they always creeped me out. You can throw that in the "no thank you" box
I love the low-key admission to having bara-bias and essentially thinking that any gay that isn't into macho muscly men is either a retarded straight man or a pedophile. lmfao I have never heard the phrase "diet women" before.
 
This genuinely surprises me. My mental model of the jailhouse gay furry has always been "Dude loves furry porn; his biggest fantasy is having sex with his furry waifu; he realizes women aren't into that; he decides that having sex with a man in a fursuit gets him closer to the vision in his head than having sex with a normal, naked woman." I always thought these guys should just leave the furry community, hide their powerlevel, find some dorky woman, and reach some compromise with her about how much of the fetish she is willing to accommodate (she might balk at a fursuit but would being willing to throw on some ears and a tail once in a while). I think a lot of woman are more willing to do such things than they might seem, as long as it's discreet and they actually like the guy/think he's cool otherwise: Juju the Cow gets his udder milked by making normal women laugh, not by trawling the halls of Anthrocon for tail.

I'm aware many men go through life without ever having the experience of being sexually desired by a woman, and it's not terribly surprising some of them would go for the only people, gay guys, who do express such desire. And it makes sense that some of these men would adopt furry stuff as a way to make going gay more palatable. But the idea that there are gay furries out there who are not only not fundamentally gay, but not even fundamentally furry, fills my heart with pity.
Spent my teens around furries and it to this day amaze me how people unironically think "Furry" = "I wanna fuck animal ladies". It's like any other sexuality-based fandom; faggots and freaks preying on kissless virgins. I've seen hour-to-hour transformations of random teenage boys in TF2 servers be paid specific attention by the guy who himself is only just a week or two into the grooming, being as gay and lispy as possible for attention, spreading it onto others like himself. You know, "I could quit this, but by enabling others, I cement my investment in this" (trannydom anyone?)

It is not the least baffling to me that a bunch of autistic community-dependent tards get into academia and high-paying jobs. Academia in general and IT too I suppose are very peer-based professions. Thesis and articles being posted and discussed, or the newest programming gimmick making rounds. Themed meme accounts etc. The enormous paycheck just further enables the fandom lifestyle, but in this day and age, honestly? You create a character, post and share porn, get your own porn, pump dick to questionable people and their roleplay writings. That's literally the majority of communities these days, especially with SFM and 3D porn making "Rawing a pikachu" look innocent and hot, whereas 15 years ago it'd be a crude drawing on Deviantart.

Granted Ive been out of the game for ages and don't know what happened to the "actual normal average" furry, but it's not an interesting fandom anymore. Go onto vrchat and youll be placed immediately into something much more potent.
 
Spent my teens around furries and it to this day amaze me how people unironically think "Furry" = "I wanna fuck animal ladies". It's like any other sexuality-based fandom; faggots and freaks preying on kissless virgins.
I admit I'm wrong, but I thought the vast majority of furries were formed in the crucible of weird childhood fixations on specific cartoon characters that got reinforced and generalized via jerkin'. All the furries I've ever known were of this type, though I don't know many since I don't interact with the furry community. If it's mostly an incel + groomer dynamic, I guess that's a more reasonable explanation, though harder for me to empathize with. I know fetish/porn escalation can happen, and I assume the grooming process is more subtle than this, but I just picture a dude thinking, "Well, all my friends masturbate to this stuff, so I should give it a try..." and laugh. Furry porn seems like the kind of thing where if you're not already into it by the end of your teenage years, how could you ever get into it? And if somebody is being groomed into it because he's a frustrated virgin, I hope it would take a few more years than that before he throws up his hands and declares, "Women are impossible; life is a yiff!"
 
Fucking off for a week and shutting up was great. Gonna reactivate the block and do that again (if not for longer) after this post.

Holy shit dude, get over yourself.
The nearest I can guess is that you're saying it comes off as self-obsessed or puffed-up. This makes sense. Fucking off helped.

As a more thread-relevant aside, I think that sexual depravity exacerbates certain symptoms of autism. Autistic people already have trouble with boundaries, and a lot of deviant sexual practices—such as incest, pedophilia, homosexuality, zoophilia, and others—further degrade a person's capacity to sense those boundaries (if they had them in the first place).

For example, it's a known problem that less-functional autists sometimes do stuff like masturbate in public. They might not have a clear sense of taboo that prevents them from doing this.

There's an entire sub-genre in the gooner-sphere built on this insensitivity of autistic people to taboo: "cringe porn". What this does is make montages of porn by-and-for autistic people, and recontextualizes it as a taboo and humiliation thing—when the people who made the source material never intuitively understood anything taboo about their original work. A lot of this involves emojis and MLP futa for example, as well as a lot of furry stuff.

A lot of autistic people think of themselves as having no real boundaries, while they're forced to obey the arbitrary boundaries of others—this is the opposite of the reality: autistic people have all of the same boundaries; they just don't have access to themselves in a real way. There's a near-constant emotional detachment—as though they're playing a game, or engaged in a debate—that keeps them at an arms-length separation from their intuition of their own internal states. They're not robots: they'll act out and not really grasp why or control it well.

Sexual depravity does something similar: the pain of transgressing the boundary—the for-some masochistic pain of breaking taboo—"scars over". You build a tolerance. It's not that the discomfort actually goes away: it's just that you're kept at an arms-length from it through a kind of autistic detachment; it usually crops back up elsewhere as some kind of neurosis.

When autists say (to themselves) that they "don't have barriers", what they mean is that the calcified amalgam of rules and thought-constructs that they live by—which they mistake for themselves—has no barriers as part of its "rule set".

Putting them in these kinds of communities, where they'll never have the opportunity to learn to understand themselves or their own boundaries, dooms them to a life of superficial "connection" through their rule-amalgams that mostly reference a bunch of propositional made-up bullshit that doesn't make contact with anything in the "real world"—internal or external.

I love the low-key admission to having bara-bias and essentially thinking that any gay that isn't into macho muscly men is either a retarded straight man or a pedophile. lmfao I have never heard the phrase "diet women" before.
I'm glad that you were able to pick up on that, and I'm happy that I can teach you fun new phrases that you can use to speak out loud in real life. To be clear, I don't mean bodybuilders necessarily so much as just not drawn to look like women or adolescents.
> draw a girl, call it a boy
is a meme for a reason.

I'm obviously not saying that "normal" gays can't be pedophiles too, of course.

Furry porn seems like the kind of thing where if you're not already into it by the end of your teenage years, how could you ever get into it?
They're shaped like people—or, at least, they usually act like people. It's not very complicated. It's just cat-ears but more-so. Don't take it too literally (many do; poor Fido).

I get why it's so uncomfortable (I remember), but I'm surprised that it's difficult to understand. Do you also feel that way about other drawn stuff? It's just a skip and a hop from anime—written stuff too, if you think about it. The biggest barrier, in my opinion, is bridging the 3D -> 2D/written gap. That's the one with the most initial shame, but to my knowledge that's more or less a ubiquitous thing to be into these days compared to a decade or two ago. Pornhub releases usage statistics by age, and hentai is the biggest category for the younger bracket by quite a bit if I remember.
 
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Minor shitshow with Carpetwurm, the gay furry artist who broke up with his fiance a year ago and then tried to go trad cath.
Carpetwurm recently posted some male furry art with the text "You will never be a woman". This is his autistic attempt to sound sexually degrading.
Despite trying to bait with the YWNBAW phrase, troons hurt his feelings and he plays up being the victim.

Naturally, he has attracted the ire of trannies
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Bizarrely, he insists that he is naturally dominant. He has previously claimed to be the bottom in his relationship with his ex fiancé and later claims he was groomed to troon out as a minor. (More on that in a moment)
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He then posts a statement saying that he did it because he has tranny fans who love that shit. With screencaps from presumably tranny discord users.
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12 hours later, he shares the mean messages trannies sent him.
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Finally, he posts some old art made when he was supposedly being groomed. How are these images supposed to prove anything? Your guess is as good as mine.
The images are of a dog furry taking estrogen and growing tits.
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tl;dr Retarded faggot posts obvious bait and wonders why he's getting so much shit.
Probably lost a few potential customers too.
 

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