Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

He did okay. The case was dismissed. But then DJF swooped in to scalp an appellate case.

If I remember correctly Null said he did alright in the beginning, but since he got paid a fixed amount he started getting lazy.
He does dislike Russell quite a bit so he got on cases against him not involving Taytay, but after a while it gets boring I suppose.

I seemed to recall soured feeling between Feeder and Skordas, but mayhap I am mis-remembering. I thought I recalled issues that he was not pushing vigorously enough against Greer to get the case resolved in a timely manner.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I seemed to recall soured feeling between Feeder and Skordas, but mayhap I am mis-remembering. I thought I recalled issues that he was not pushing vigorously enough against Greer to get the case resolved in a timely manner.

I got the impression it was mutual. Skordas signed up for a flat fee to get rid of the case. Which he did. But then Greer did his thing, plead his plights, and inexplicably convinced the 10th circuit to actually hear his case out. Which is a big issue for Skordas. He was locked into this by his retainer contract, which probably stipulated he would get rid of Greer in pretrial, with an option to request more money if that failed. But he critically left out the possibility that Greer could get an Appeal actually heard. Once DJF swooped in, it was even worse. Null got a shit ton of very expensive legal work done, for free. No wonder Skordas half assed it. It was his own fault, technically. He shouldn't have structured his retainer contract to be so open ended, and paid for at a flat rate. But I guess even Skordas had a bit more faith in our judicial system then it deserved.

After the 10th sent it back, Skordas was probably done with the case and told Null he's on his own. This is all purely speculative of course, but I am sure the truth is pretty close to that. Never heard Null say anything bad about the man though. Which is too his credit. Skordas didn't do a bad job all things considered. He just underestimated how retarded the courts can be.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

I got the impression it was mutual. Skordas signed up for a flat fee to get rid of the case. Which he did. But then Greer did his thing, plead his plights, and inexplicably convinced the 10th circuit to actually hear his case out. Which is a big issue for Skordas. He was locked into this by his retainer contract, which probably stipulated he would get rid of Greer in pretrial, with an option to request more money if that failed. But he critically left out the possibility that Greer could get an Appeal actually heard. Once DJF swooped in, it was even worse. Null got a shit ton of very expensive legal work done, for free. No wonder Skordas half assed it. It was his own fault, technically. He shouldn't have structured his retainer contract to be so open ended, and paid for at a flat rate. But I guess even Skordas had a bit more faith in our judicial system then it deserved.

After the 10th sent it back, Skordas was probably done with the case and told Null he's on his own. This is all purely speculative of course, but I am sure the truth is pretty close to that. Never heard Null say anything bad about the man though. Which is too his credit. Skordas didn't do a bad job all things considered. He just underestimated how retarded the courts can be.

I have severely restricted the list of things I consider to be 'impossible' in this case out of necessity. This certainly sounds plausible, and Russ makes everyone who deals with him hate his guts in short order.

 

[AnOminous]

Does it have make the law more retarded and dumb certainly. But the going value for the long term health of the law has been extremely cheap as of late.

I think it would be mildly amusing, if a real pain in the ass for nool, if the Utah judge is like "oh so you wanna play ping-pong? Let's play ping-pong, bitch!"

 

[mindlessobserver]

I think it would be mildly amusing, if a real pain in the ass for nool, if the Utah judge is like "oh so you wanna play ping-pong? Let's play ping-pong, bitch!"

Well, he can do it. The Florida judge has no authority to tell the Utah judge what to do. Utah could very easily go full Saruman.

The 11th circuit judge was arrogant enough to cite 10th circuit rules to send the case back, the Utah Judge could very easily cite the 11th circuit rules to whack that shit right back at them.

Which would be very funny. So I hope it happens.

 

[.iota.]

I think it would be mildly amusing, if a real pain in the ass for nool, if the Utah judge is like "oh so you wanna play ping-pong? Let's play ping-pong, bitch!"

i know that it's wishful thinking, but ...

 

[mindlessobserver]

So since we are sperging about stupid shit like Null paying for Greer's lawyer, let me flesh out my theory of the Writ of Mandamus.

Basically, Null is legally obligated to the right to a trial. This trial is not required to be in his favor. Its just required to happen. For 4 years now, going on five, through no fault of his own,. the Federal Courts have refused to grant him the trial he is required under law. While the 6th Amendment has always been applied to Criminal Cases, this case may be the first civil trial in history to open up a 6th Amendment challenge. Because the procedural chicanery is not on the part of the defense. It is on the part of the PLAINTIFF. Which is unheard of.

This is a civil case where the PLAINTIFF is non-compliant, unnecessarily and against the rules prolonging the procedure of the case. This is a clear 6th Amendment violation. Null has a right to a speedy trial, and after 4 years, all his motions save a motion to transfer have been denied or outright ignored, in favor of addressing a tidal wave of vexatious motions by the Prosecution that seeks only to delay the due process of the case.


In Violation of the 6th Amendment.

Null should file for a Writ of Mandamus. Either at the 10th circuit, the 11th circuit or whatever circuit is in charge of the case. If none of them, then the Supreme Court of the United States.

By Writ, the District Court SHALL
Order the Plaintiff to answer the Rule 19 motion or withdraw the case

By Writ, the District Court Shall
Order the Plaintiff to answer the motion for more definitive statement or withdraw the case

By Writ, the District Court Shall
Order the Plaintiff to attend a pretrial scheduling hearing, to occur not more then 14 days from the issuing of the writ, in person, in the Federal District Court House.

By Writ, the District Court Shall
Hold the Plaintiff in Criminal Contempt of Court should the above orders of Writ be defied.

By Writ, the District Court is ordered to obey the orders of this Court.

Signed. XXX Appeals or Supreme Court judge.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

That would just be a waste of time and money since they'd ignore that too.

Null would be much better served by hiring a few hobos to squat in Greer's hovel.

 

[mindlessobserver]

That would just be a waste of time and money aince they'd ignore that too.

Null would be much better served by hiring a few hobos to squat in Greer's hovel.

May as well get it on the record. Raising a 6th Amendment challenge in pretrial preserves it for appeal, even if its ignored initially. At a minimum it will put the judges on notice their pet retard plaintiff is moving their case out of the minutia of copyright law into a hard constitutional question.

The 6th amendment is absolutely in play. @Null right to a speedy trial, as required by the Federal Constitution has been manifestly denied by the Federal Courts, in defiance of their own rules of procedure and precedent. In favor of the plaintiff whose own stated goal is to prolong litigation in order to bankrupt the defense. Sure. it say's "Criminal" cases, but Greers own fillings allege criminality, and the courts own rulings affirm the plaintiffs allegations of criminality to justify their incessant use of process as punishment.

It should also be noted Greer is not asking for compensatory damages. He is asking for STATUTORY damages. This is deprivation of property under color of law. Not making the plaintiff whole under civil arbitration. That is the in. Greer is seeking legal redress under criminal law, as the plaintiff. The 6th Amendment should not be removed just because the criminal law in question allows a civil plaintiff rather then the State itself to prosecute a defendant.

Also, the Supreme Court may find a 6th Amendment challenge to copyright way more fun then a 1st Amendment, because this way they can address the issue of vexatious copyright trolls without actually stepping on speech rights.

This case is absolutely fucking perfect to challenge the entire procedure of Copyright Law. Under the 6th, rather then the 1st.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

May as well get it on the record. Raising a 6th Amendment challenge in pretrial preserves it for appeal, even if its ignored initially.

Legally, you're right, of course, but no court involved seems to give a fuck about legality.

Also, unfortunately, there's very little funny involved, other than the potential histrionic response from the drooltard. But we get those for free.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

The sixth seems pretty clearly to only apply to criminal charges to me:

>In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

This is not a criminal prosecution no matter what Greer says about Null.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The sixth seems pretty clearly to only apply to criminal charges to me:

Greers own complaint is asking for statutory damages. Statutory damages are damages beyond what his civil damages are. They are criminal penalties that under law he can seek, and not limited to a state prosecutor.

That is the 6th amendment in. If Greer was just asking to be made whole I would agree. But his case is predicated under punitive federal law.

I agree it's novel and retarded. But this case is novel and retarded. It's breaking all the rules, and there is an argument to be made its the first civil copyright case to break the 6th amendment too.

Greer is demanding statutory penalties under federal law from the defense. The defense is trying to move the case foreword, and the plaintiff is doing everything they can to delay. While stating publicly their intention is to bankrupt the defense.

In violation of the 6th amendment. Null has a right to a speedy trial. At a minimum one that follows the proper course. Both of which have been denied through no fault of his own, and solely to the benefit of the plaintiff.

A clear 6th amendment violation.

 

[FrancineCansMcGee]

Again, I’m not a lawyer, but as I understand it there is no reason to conflate statutory damages with a criminal penalty. They are civil damages where the amount is set ahead of time by statute. I don’t understand how you are getting from there to criminal.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Greers own complaint is asking for statutory damages. Statutory damages are damages beyond what his civil damages are. They are criminal penalties that under law he can seek, and not limited to a state prosecutor.

No, they aren't criminal penalties, they are a measure of damages created by statute for use in civil cases. The state is not bringing charges, this is a civil dispute between two private parties (discarding for the sake of argument the difference between Joshua Connor Moon and KiwiFarms, a website).

 

[Pedophobe]

>In all criminal prosecutions,

Sounds like it's a question of whether you need a state prosecutor to make it a criminal case, or whether a private person can do it.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Null got a shit ton of very expensive legal work done, for free. No wonder Skordas half assed it.

I believe the $7000 retainer was only for the appeals process, but even so, Skordas might've spent more than that on a 1st class plane ticket to Denver and a nice hotel room

 

[mindlessobserver]

Again, I’m not a lawyer, but as I understand it there is no reason to conflate statutory damages with a criminal penalty. They are civil damages where the amount is set ahead of time by statute. I don’t understand how you are getting from there to criminal.

I am going there because this case is stupid, and thus stupid is as stupid does. You have a vexations plaintiff, you have a court entertaining his antics, and the justification for doing so is damages under law rather then equity.

If Greer is able to challenge jurisdiction in a court that has already determined it has no jurisdiction, then Null can assert his rights under the 6th amendment to a speedy trial for a copyright case where the damages presumed are statutory.

Again, it's not gonna fly, probably, but why not. Greer managed to get the case stayed for half a year by whining, and convinced a federal district Judge to say they will side with his whining in defiance of their own local rules because they decided a different district judge who they have no jurisdiction over didn't correctly interpret their own courts rules, rules which said judge has no authority to interpret or rule on herself.

Embrace chaos. At a minimum it will force a federal court to author an opinion as to why the 6th amendment does not apply. Then you can appeal it at your leisure.

Make them suffer.

 

[The Un-Clit]

I am going there because this case is stupid, and thus stupid is as stupid does. You have a vexations plaintiff, you have a court entertaining his antics, and the justification for doing so is damages under law rather then equity.

If Greer is able to challenge jurisdiction in a court that has already determined it has no jurisdiction, then Null can assert his rights under the 6th amendment to a speedy trial for a copyright case where the damages presumed are statutory.

I know things are getting gay, but we should at least TRY to keep this thread professional(ish). Crackpot theories should go on Russhole's actual thread imo. Fuck it. AnOm's right. Shitpost away.

 

[AnOminous]

I know things are getting gay, but we should at least TRY to keep this thread professional(ish). Crackpot theories should go on Russhole's actual thread imo.

We should at least take it as seriously as the judges involved have done.

In other words, shitpost away.

 

[Yankee Bastard]

So since we are sperging about stupid shit like Null paying for Greer's lawyer, let me flesh out my theory of the Writ of Mandamus.

Basically, Null is legally obligated to the right to a trial. This trial is not required to be in his favor. Its just required to happen.

While this may be usually true, Null is a meanie poopoo head and as such does not enjoy the same rights as a drooling whoremongering retard of the Gobblessed US of A