Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Tablet County]

Yeah like I think thats what the meme someone posted a few pages back was referring to where people bitched about Valentino but are okay with other villains who do similar or more vile acts.

People nowadays have this strange idea that depicting anything involving sex whether positive or negative in fiction is some evil act worse than having characters murder each other.

Well, comparatively, there are probably more people alive today who have been raped than killed.

 

[This ruined Sonic]

This series was doomed from the day it was conceived. Why? Because it's directed towards Tumblr crowd. AKA, overly sensitive SJWs incapable of handling any edge whatsoever. Maybe it would've been successful if it had come out in 2000s or early 2010s but now this series won't even appeal to edgy atheists/satanists because they're too busy white knighting for 2SLGBTQIALMOP+-=@#$%^&* community. And excessive swearing and sex jokes are IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ADULT ANIMATION.

Even without this caveat, the worldbuilding and the premise is broken beyond repair. Let's start with the setting, shall we? Notice a lack of fire and brimstone? Or anyone getting punished really. Or anything resembling classic hell? Also, demons can reproduce like humans for some reason. What we have is a crime-ridden, gang ruled city, full of graffiti, pentagrams, drugs, alcohol, degenerate sex, criminals, murderers, rapists, furries, gays and trannies. Hold on... That's not hell. That's just your average leftist run American city turned shithole like - Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Portland, Chicago, New York, etc. I guess you could say that living in those places feels like hell, but I digress. Also, apparently you can die in hell. And you go to... where exactly? Do you just stop existing? Heaven's worldbuilding is equally bad. Why is Adam Andrew Tate? Why is Saint Peter, a middle eastern Jewish man whiter than an Aryan Albino? Most importantly, WHERE IS GOD?! These important questions are never answered, so the story makes no fucking sense.

Now onto the premise. Originally this show was supposed to be about redemption. However, redemption stories have to be rooted in morality. But sense Vivzipop and Modern audiencesTM reject traditional/Christian morality than... how are we meant to judge these characters? Take Angel Dust for example. He's a drug addict and a victim of sexual abuse from his pimp who forces him to make porno videos. Even though the story is meant to be about his redemption at no point does anyone point out the obvious fact that he has to stop engaging in promiscuous sex and leave porno industry. But Vivzi can't point this out because Twitter and Tumblr will eat her alive for not supporting "sex work." Which begs the question: How on God's green earth are we going to have a show about bad people becoming good while at the same time championing woke ideology which paints good as bad and bad as good?

Oh, but somehow Vivzi manages the impossible and double fucks this already fucked premise. In episode 1 it's revealed that the real story of HH isn't about redeeming sinners but rather going to war with heaven. Doesn't this give you Deja Vu? It should, considering that the same thing happened to Helluva Boss. It was supposed to be a story about demons contractually assassinating humans and turned into Blitzo and Stolas' gay adventures. Vivzipop can't write a proper story. She can't even stick to a fricking premise. She overstuffs her shows with unnecessary plots and characters. This is basically fanfic tier writing. Cherry on top is that Viv is clearly a fujoshi. She may deny it, but you can tell by how she writes her male and female characters, with her uwu sad bois and underdeveloped, undercooked, one-dimensional chicks.

TL; DR: Vivzipop should've stuck to writing gay fanfiction, she didn't and now her show is going to go up in flames.

 

[didelphigina]

He's a drug addict and a victim of sexual abuse from his pimp who forces him to make porno videos. Even though the story is meant to be about his redemption at no point does anyone point out the obvious fact that he has to stop engaging in promiscuous sex and leave porno industry. But Vivzi can't point this out because Twitter and Tumblr will eat her alive for not supporting "sex work."

Let's not forget his mafia past prior to his death. You know he's done a lot of terrible actions that only Valentino could dream of committing at the same caliber. But they don't bring that up. Not once. They might bring up his mafia past in Season 2 (being very optimistic here), but it's probably gonna be related to him being forced into the mafia or having a deadbeat dad because that's all how Vivziepop can write families nowadays.

Like you said, if he actually redeemed himself, people will just yell at Viv for not supporting the dude sucking twelve penises an hour and prostituting himself away. Doesn't this mean he'll be a victim of ES-SAY again, Viv? Are you promoting him becoming someone else's sex toy again? Not sending a good message there!

Notice a lack of fire and brimstone? Or anyone getting punished really. Or anything resembling classic hell? Also, demons can reproduce like humans for some reason.

To give a bit of slack, it's Vivziepop's interpretation of Hell, and Hell can be interpreted in many ways. Not all interpretations need to be of fire and brimstone. I've seen some interpretations where it's just a bleak void with nothing but the cries of the sinners being the only sound one can hear in it.

But the way she does it is only interesting at concept, but very, very terrible when executed. Like you said, Hell in her world feels more like your average leftist-orientated city left to rot than an actual Hell. This doesn't even need to take place in Hell and nothing would change.

Oh, but somehow Vivzi manages the impossible and double fucks this already fucked premise. In episode 1 it's revealed that the real story of HH isn't about redeeming sinners but rather going to war with heaven.

At least her spinoff series took a whole season to break-neck itself harder than asphalt. It's remarkable how in just one episode, she contradicts and takes away the very premise that's been a primary establishment to her series for half a decade. Half a decade of it just to turn it around and put an excuse of going into an EPIC war with Heaven. An EPIC war that lasts for a single episode. An EPIC war that had no real impact. An EPIC war that went absolutely nowhere.

I would go forever on how nonsensical and unnecessary the war plot was, but I'd be breaking the limit beyond recovery if I did.

 

[Hammersmith]

They might bring up his mafia past in Season 2 (being very optimistic here)

Let me burst your bubble here real quick (sorry in advance). Recently, there was some sort of livestream with Vox's VA, and he confirmed there would be multiple songs made for him. He also said that season 2 will mainly focus on the Vees as the seasonal villains. This is gonna suck ass. Wanna see the main cast of characters develop into something interesting? Fuck you! You'll have an entire season to focus on three irrelevant ones instead.

 

[didelphigina]

Let me burst your bubble here real quick (sorry in advance). Recently, there was some sort of livestream with Vox's VA, and he confirmed there would be multiple songs made for him. He also said that season 2 will mainly focus on the Vees as the seasonal villains. This is gonna suck ass. Wanna see the main cast of characters develop into something interesting? Fuck you! You'll have an entire season to focus on three irrelevant ones instead.

Oh, yeah.

Forgot about that.



Putting more development to a bunch of characters who don't impact the plot in any sort of way is such a Vivziepop move that I wish it could be irony.

They just want to increase merch sales and get more people fanboying over The V's. Season 2's really gonna suck, man.

Development for the sinners? Hazbin Hotel? What are those again? WHAT ARE THOSE AGAIN? Can't remember, got dementia.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Let me burst your bubble here real quick (sorry in advance). Recently, there was some sort of livestream with Vox's VA, and he confirmed there would be multiple songs made for him. He also said that season 2 will mainly focus on the Vees as the seasonal villains. This is gonna suck ass. Wanna see the main cast of characters develop into something interesting? Fuck you! You'll have an entire season to focus on three irrelevant ones instead.

As I've mentioned before, the V's should have been the main villains for season one, and then for season 2 we could have focused on heaven and angels. Because, after facing against the one thing that could possibly kill them, how are three overlords going to compare? Not only do they have angelic weapons, Charlie's relationship with her dad is fixed so they also have fucking Lucifer on their side! I suppose Lilith/Eve might be an antagonist, but it seems like that will be saved for season 3 (if we get a season 3 that is). Shouldn't a show increase the stakes for the protagonists each season? Why are we going backwards?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

As I've mentioned before, the V's should have been the main villains for season one, and then for season 2 we could have focused on heaven and angels. Because, after facing against the one thing that could possibly kill them, how are three overlords going to compare? Not only do they have angelic weapons, Charlie's relationship with her dad is fixed so they also have fucking Lucifer on their side! I suppose Lilith/Eve might be an antagonist, but it seems like that will be saved for season 3 (if we get a season 3 that is). Shouldn't a show increase the stakes for the protagonists each season? Why are we going backwards?

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Lucifer either jobs or is busy with something else to get him out.

Though as for the threat I can maybe see it as Viv wanting to go for the bigger fish first to maybe focus on the more personal stories since I know at least some of the main cast has business with the Vee’s. Also based on the leaked script the plot looks like Charlie has definitive proof of her plan working and it’s about getting sinners to go to Heaven which the Vee’s are blocking.

Like it could work hypothetically but if the second season is like the first season, it will probably be mediocre at best and rush through everything since Amazon would probably just give Vivzie 8 episodes again and she doesn’t know how to pace herself.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

As I've mentioned before, the V's should have been the main villains for season one, and then for season 2 we could have focused on heaven and angels. Because, after facing against the one thing that could possibly kill them, how are three overlords going to compare? Not only do they have angelic weapons, Charlie's relationship with her dad is fixed so they also have fucking Lucifer on their side! I suppose Lilith/Eve might be an antagonist, but it seems like that will be saved for season 3 (if we get a season 3 that is). Shouldn't a show increase the stakes for the protagonists each season? Why are we going backwards?

If I was the showrunner, I don't even know if I'd make the V's the main villains in season one. I'd have them be forces in the world but make limited appearances. Honestly, not too different from how they are now. What I'd do is make season one (especially if I knew there were only 8 episodes) based almost entirely on the hotel and developing those characters, actually focus on redemption and everything. Maybe in the beginning, have one of V's comment that it would be bad for business if souls suddenly started getting second chances and were redeemed and going up to heaven, but then another says it isn't worth worrying about because the hotel is doomed to fail and sinners are always going to sin.

Adam could still be a looming threat, but not one they have to directly confront at this point. Instead of pivoting to fighting the angels, Charlie should stay convinced that redemption is the way, and even after failing to persuade the angels initially, she'd believe she can change their minds if someone is actually fully redeemed. In this version, there'd be actual progress made towards that in the rest of the episodes because they're developing the characters. Anywho, the season finale could play out in a similar fashion, except Lucifer drives off the angels after they start attacking the hotel. I'd probably have it be his first main appearance in this world, it'd hint at him being powerful and still caring about Charlie, even if they aren't actually talking, and could lead into them developing a relationship in season 2.

Whatshisface would still die and end up in heaven, showing that redemption can work. Then end the season with the V's discovering that and being all sinister and saying now they need to do something about the hotel. Then that would set them up as the season 2 villains. But even then, I probably wouldn't have them be like...a destructive force necessarily. I think they'd try to destroy the hotel by countering the message. Show that sinners really can't be saved. Because we've had a full season of character development, we know these character's vices, what made them sin in the first place, how they're vulnerable etc. Season 2 could be the V's corrupting them, undoing all the progress they've made in the hotel. Maybe towards the second half, if they wanted something flashier, it could turn into something a little less abstract and more directly destroying the hotel, but that should be the big moral event where the characters ultimately decide to resist temptation and band together to protect Charlie. Or maybe some of them really are beyond saving and join the V's. One reason I think this works better is it ignores the Lucifer of it all. If Lucifer is willing to go to bat for Charlie now in the face of destruction, it'd make sense the V's wouldn't want to like...try and murder everyone in the hotel and instead corrupt it's message.

So, presumably Charlie and co. would win the day that season and the hotel would remain, positive message about redemption bla bla bla, and that's when you have a cliffhanger ending with the angels, introducing them as the final antagonists.

 

[didelphigina]

Vivziepop herself announced the new episode's coming out tomorrow morning. Can't wait to see how that episode will go.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Fun fact: no matter how cool you think you are, you are SOMEBODY'S lolcow.

Everyone has an archnemesis, whether they know it or not.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Vivziepop herself announced the new episode's coming out tomorrow morning. Can't wait to see how that episode will go.

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All I know is that Stolas is going to most likely steal the spotlight from Verosika since he wasn't a focus in "The Full Moon" episode that was advertised as being a Stolitz episode. Funny how that has happened before with "Unhappy Campers" where they advertised Barbie Wire, but she was only in the last five minutes.

 

[Hammersmith]

As I've mentioned before, the V's should have been the main villains for season one, and then for season 2 we could have focused on heaven and angels. Because, after facing against the one thing that could possibly kill them, how are three overlords going to compare? Not only do they have angelic weapons, Charlie's relationship with her dad is fixed so they also have fucking Lucifer on their side!

And to hammer in how there are no stakes left in the show, here's Lucifer's VA on a livestream stating that his character lives in the hotel now.

 

[AnOminous]

Even without this caveat, the worldbuilding and the premise is broken beyond repair.

Sadly, yes, and its tumblr origins were obvious from the start. But at least in the pilot and early parts of HB, it was more tumblr circa 2010 when it was actually an art site and not an SJW site where everyone just mindlessly mimicked each other and echo chambered increasingly retarded political opinions.

I mean in the HB pilot, you had Moxxie getting called retarded and Angel Dust in the pilot was aggressively "problematic," not caring whether what he said was sexist or racist but just whatever pissed off Vaggie more.

Unfortunately (although unsurprisingly) even that mild level of edgy fun had to be done away with and we're now left with the residue that we now have.

It also wasn't just inevitable from tumblr origins, but from Vivz apparently not learning a damn thing from Zoophobia going completely off the rails.

 

[CyrusHowler]

And to hammer in how there are no stakes left in the show

I’m just gonna pretend that the series ends with Doomguy or Ghost Rider showing up and killing everyone very violently.

I mean in the HB pilot, you had Moxxie getting called retarded and Angel Dust in the pilot was aggressively "problematic," not caring whether what he said was sexist or racist but just whatever pissed off Vaggie more.

Yeah, the good content.
Pilot gang stays winning.

Here we go douchebags.

https://youtu.be/tLD-OUkYtk4?si=3CpGraUhGG-E8sWh

 

[Hammersmith]

Here we go douchebags.

https://youtu.be/tLD-OUkYtk4?si=3CpGraUhGG-E8sWh

Oh my God, holy shit. This is so fucking bad. FIVE FULL MINUTES OF TWO FAGS ARGUING. WHY IS BLITZ APOLOGIZING TO STOLAS!? Where is the comedy from season 1!? This is just full on stupid faggot melodrama now.

This is even worse than I thought it could've been. Fuck.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Oh my God, holy shit. This is so fucking bad. FIVE FULL MINUTES OF TWO FAGS ARGUING. WHY IS BLITZ APOLOGIZING TO STOLAS!? Where is the comedy from season 1!? This is just full on stupid faggot melodrama now.

This is even worse than I thought it could've been. Fuck.

Basically my thoughts verbatim, rolled my eyes several times. Was painful to get through.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Where is the comedy from season 1!? This is just full on stupid faggot melodrama now

Gone, reduced to atoms.

 

[macrodegenerate]

One of the few good episodes of the show. This is really what the full moon should have been. Love the power ballad. Gonna say Stolas and Blitzo are redeemed. As usual I despise how close some of the music in this series is playable in a car with other people. Then they just fuck it up.

Gone, reduced to atoms.

Faggotry is inevitable.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Gonna say Stolas and Blitzo are redeemed

 

[LucasSomething]

As I've mentioned before, the V's should have been the main villains for season one, and then for season 2 we could have focused on heaven and angels. Because, after facing against the one thing that could possibly kill them, how are three overlords going to compare? Not only do they have angelic weapons, Charlie's relationship with her dad is fixed so they also have fucking Lucifer on their side! I suppose Lilith/Eve might be an antagonist, but it seems like that will be saved for season 3 (if we get a season 3 that is). Shouldn't a show increase the stakes for the protagonists each season? Why are we going backwards?

You're assuming this show is about high stakes no, now that season 1 and adam are done, Vivzie can focus on what she really wants, G A Y D R A M A. Get ready for half the next season to be Angel getting double raped and Husk falling in love with him.

Here we go douchebags.

https://youtu.be/tLD-OUkYtk4?si=3CpGraUhGG-E8sWh

>Instantly Blitzo and stolas talking
AAAAA

How the fuck is verosika aware that Blitzo and Stolas broke up? Even if she did, why is she "celebrating", Blitzo doesnt love Stolas and has no reason to care anymore.

>"I dont look down on you- When have i ever?!"

Vivzie is really pretending she didnt give Stolas an imp fetish huh

>The one day the spirits can rise against the living

BRUH WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN DEMONS CAN JUST GO TO REAL WORLD IN HALLOWEEN??? Why are the dhorks stading still, how is this not public knowledge, what makes this even possible, whats stopping demons from genociding humans, did heaven and lucifer agree with this-

This whole episode is such an immesurably long middle finger to blitzo

-Stolas somehow being offended that Blitzo knew about a hitman on him is retarded cause Stolas also knew. Stella literally called it in front of him. Blitzo saved his life from striker twice (second was m&m) and somehow Blitzo is portrayed as the wrong person here.

-Their whole conversation really boiled down to "Blitzo is incapable to apologize and must learn to be better" holy shit. Vivzie has the has the self awareness to have blitzo point out his self hatred holds him back but not to know Stolas is the only person wrong here, making it clear she thinks Stolas is the victim here.

-There are SO MANY PEOPLE who hate blitzo that is very obvious the problem is HIM in every single scenario. Blitzo straight says he would apologize to anyone except Stolas, meaning he admits guilt in every other case. There is no implication that his break ups were the other person's fault or external circunstances, no it's only blitzo.

-Stolas and Verosika and everyone will callout blitzo for not caring for other people's feelings but no one gives a fuck about his. There isn even the implication that people don't blame him, it seems like everyone holds a grudge towards blitzo and blames him fully.

Even ignoring the G AAAAA Y shit this episode is so fuckign bad. I'm not saying Vivzie has to coddle Blitzo but she drowned on the "Suffering builds character" koolaid. You can't even end on a "Maybe this will better for both of you" no, it has to end on "Fuck you blitzo for not respecting stolas feelings! If you want to be a better person be happy for Stolas!".