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[Meriasek]

Is this including just the Netherlands Randstad or the Netherlands as a whole? The country is very different outside the Randstad despite what peddlers like Jason Slaughter would have you believe.

They're working on that according to the Tristate Conspiracy.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

They're working on that according to the Tristate Conspiracy.

I get a rock band as the first page of results when I look this up, what is that?

 

[Meriasek]

I get a rock band as the first page of results when I look this up, what is that?

It comes from the Tristate City "project" of sorts, which was basically just a bunch of investors trying to paint the metropolitan area between Cologne, Hamburg, Amsterdam, and Brussels as a singular entity. So far so marketing bollockery, but then people even stupider than marketing people stumbled over it, made connections with the WEF, and got it into their heads that all the Dutch farmer protests are basically a reaction to the Dutch government trying to disenfranchise the farmers to make space for Tristate City development, which is going to be the European Union capital or world capital or whatnot. It's all a weird mixture of Great Reset, WEF, 15 minute city, enforced urbanism spreading through, I think, mostly Twatter. Which makes stuff kinda hard to find these days without an account there.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Every time I think the west has moved past "lol those WHACKY Japanese" I'm proven wrong.

 

[quaawaa]

Every time I think the west has moved past "lol those WHACKY Japanese" I'm proven wrong.

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[Thiletonomics]

As much as how these Urbanists love to praise Japan and China for their trains, do they praise South Korea and Hong Kong (does Taiwan have trains too or no?) for their train systems as well?

 

[AttilaIsTurk]

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NJB not mentioning alcohol challenge (impossible)

 

[Yamamura]

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NJB not mentioning alcohol challenge (impossible)

No wonder they hate driving. It forces them to have to be sober to actually do something.

 

[Kyria the Great]

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NJB not mentioning alcohol challenge (impossible)

Not to shit on someone who enjoys a drink responsibly but I find the idea they praise trains and public transit because you can drink to be rather immature and wildly irresponsible. Though it can bring in revenue, it also brings in the people who can't handle their drink and become a nuisance or worse a potential liability.

 

[JJLiautaud]

two things I'm working my way through Paris: City of Dreams, about the reconstruction of Paris during Haussmann and will be posting my review by this weekend and two here's a fun think piece on why the survivorship bias argument is bullshit with older buildings being more beautiful than new ones: https://worksinprogress.co/issue/against-the-survival-of-the-prettiest/
Edit: Really read all of that guys works they are very well argued.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Not to shit on someone who enjoys a drink responsibly but I find the idea they praise trains and public transit because you can drink to be rather immature and wildly irresponsible. Though it can bring in revenue, it also brings in the people who can't handle their drink and become a nuisance or worse a potential liability.

The walkable city breaks down the moment alcohol is introduced and you expect people to be fine with living across the street from bars and waking up to step in vomit and shit the moment they open the door. As much as we want to believe everyone can be responsible they just can't and the quality of life takes a serious downturn when you have to always hear yelling and music that comes with bars (no Jason, it's not just cars that are loud).

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Not to shit on someone who enjoys a drink responsibly but I find the idea they praise trains and public transit because you can drink to be rather immature and wildly irresponsible. Though it can bring in revenue, it also brings in the people who can't handle their drink and become a nuisance or worse a potential liability.

Pretty sure that in most "official" municipal train rules you can't drink, just like how the rules state you can't assault your fellow passengers or shit on the floor.

In luxury trains, alcohol is allowed but only the stuff you buy there.

The walkable city breaks down the moment alcohol is introduced and you expect people to be fine with living across the street from bars and waking up to step in vomit and shit the moment they open the door. As much as we want to believe everyone can be responsible they just can't and the quality of life takes a serious downturn when you have to always hear yelling and music that comes with bars (no Jason, it's not just cars that are loud).

Jason is rather mum on De Wallen and what he thinks of it, but even exempting that, have you seen what the tenant mix of Amsterdam-Centrum is actually like? It's not good. Most of the central part crosses with the De Wallen red-light district, and even during the daytime the tenant mix includes bars, doner shops, cannabis shops, and tourist stores. Where's the variety stores, the banks, the place where you can good bread, meat, and cheese?

Do these neighborhoods even exist?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

does Taiwan have trains too or no?

They do, he even visited Taiwan on his way back from Japan, but Jason couldn't be fucked to learn what the line's name he rode was (or what city his airport was in for that matter).

Taiwan would be an interesting follow up to talking about Japan because lots of Taiwan's initial train infrastructure was built during the Japanese colonial period, and modern Taiwan does take notes on how Japan handles infrastructure and apply it to their own country. It would make for an interesting compare and contrast.

 

[TowinKarz]

The Dodge Brothers weren't members of the tribe they were Yankees, their original symbol was two delta interlocked to show their closeness.

They also started out making parts for Model T's under contract.

They didn't strike out on their own into cars until they got into a dispute over payment for their work with Henry Ford himself and the whole thing turned into a "Fine, I'll make my OWN car company! With blackjack and hookers!" kind of situation.

That's also one the big issues with public transportation. People would be far more willing to use the train if there wasn't the risk of being trapped with some hoodrat who could be carrying a deadly weapon. As it stands, it's far safer to just use your own car. Of course, they'll never ackowledge this because joggers are one of their sacred cows.

They also just can't admit that a personal vehicle, even one that's barely reliable and barely affordable, still offers a superior product to public transport. The instant a person has the ability to finance their own ride? They pretty much stop using alternatives.

Even if you could clean up the bus and train routes tomorrow? Not a lot of people would jump over ,or wouldn't stay long when they realized how much it sucks waiting on someone else's schedule. Assuming you even CAN, because my jobsite and home are both way outside the route of any public transport, it's not an option for me unless I want to drive out-of-the-way for the sake of being able to pick up the bus and ride it close to (but not TO-to) where I needed to be in the first place.

 

[Bonesjones]

They didn't strike out on their own into cars until they got into a dispute over payment for their work with Henry Ford himself and the whole thing turned into a "Fine, I'll make my OWN car company! With blackjack and hookers!" kind of situation.

Except that Ford Motor Co. Vs Dodge bothers is where we get the legal requirement that corporations are beholden to financially support stockholders above all else. They sued on behalf of Jewish bankers who would then give them the money to start Dodge Motor Company.



Again, it's just jews saying not to believe your lying eyes.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter 2.0]

Except that Ford Motor Co. Vs Dodge bothers is where we get the legal requirement that corporations are beholden to financially support stockholders above all else. They sued on behalf of Jewish bankers who would then give them the money to start Dodge Motor Company.

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Again, it's just jews saying not to believe your lying eyes.

All hexagrams are Stars of David, you heard it here first, folks.

 

[Bonesjones]

All hexagrams are Stars of David, you heard it here first, folks.

They are actually stars of remphan but you aren't ready for that conversation

 

[Gentlebastard]

Also I wonder what their opinion on Top Gear is.

Clarkson is clearly Satan himself, cosplaying as a shaved orangutan for a laugh.
Hammond is the imp sitting on your shoulders, tempting nice cyclists/pedestrians/public transport users into buying a murder machine with things such as "convenience", and "protection from the elements".
May is some neutral-but-still-unwelcome entity, quietly enginnering a massive, pedal-powered school bus on some corner just to get everyone angry at him.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The walkable city breaks down the moment alcohol is introduced and you expect people to be fine with living across the street from bars and waking up to step in vomit and shit the moment they open the door. As much as we want to believe everyone can be responsible they just can't and the quality of life takes a serious downturn when you have to always hear yelling and music that comes with bars (no Jason, it's not just cars that are loud).

The other thing that Jason forgets is the difference between nightclub districts and neighborhood bars. The former is usually clustered in certain areas and attract distinct crowds (ages, wealth level, race), but those typically aren't where people live. This is the type of things /r/fuckcars wants to participate in.

A neighborhood bar (often attached to a restaurant) usually has less issues, but that's not the sort of thing these people want, and despite fantasizing about some sort of Cheers-style neighborhood bar the reality is something closer to the equivalent of a suburban hotel bar. They'll serve you a drink but don't expect to have an enjoyable time. This, of course, is because drinking isn't the point--it's to have fun with friends, maybe hook up with some floozie, etc.

It's another combination of half-baked fantasy and deceptive bullshit.

two things I'm working my way through Paris: City of Dreams, about the reconstruction of Paris during Haussmann and will be posting my review by this weekend and two here's a fun think piece on why the survivorship bias argument is bullshit with modern buildings being uglier than new ones: https://worksinprogress.co/issue/against-the-survival-of-the-prettiest/
Edit: Really read all of that guys works they are very well argued.

I've actually never thought of it that way. Having mostly lived in areas where pre-1930 buildings are extremely rare, it's less "beautiful buildings" and more just what survives and what doesn't because demolition or otherwise happens for a bunch of reasons:

- In the way of a highway (contrary to the /r/fuckcars belief, what usually gets chopped for highway widenings are almost exclusively commercial, usually restaurants, gas stations, and the occasional small office building)
- Burns down and nothing replaces it
- Gets torn down for a better use of the land
- Abandoned too long and gets demolished, either by force (enacted through "dangerous building" ordinances) or just because it's another liability to pay taxes on
- Build quality and climate affects (for housing)
- Structural integrity reasons
- Bad reputation (major crime, notorious nuisance business, etc.)

 

[quaawaa]

As much as how these Urbanists love to praise Japan and China for their trains, do they praise South Korea and Hong Kong (does Taiwan have trains too or no?) for their train systems as well?

There's one Taiwanese member of /r/fuckcars who hates the country because it is too "carbrained" for him:

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His posts usually don't get much traction.

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This post of his (which did get some upvotes) is particularly hilarious: complaining that electric gas bikes use bike lanes:

He usually leaves a comment like this:

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How dare the government teach kids to safely cross the street!



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He also hates traffic lights (and made the mistake of posting outside of /r/fuckcars):




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"I am Taiwanese, and I have made advocacy petitions to the Taiwan government many times."

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If you are Taiwanese, you should know that most people don't agree with what you are complaining about. (Riding a scooter on the highway)
Those streets are already there, what do you want? What are you proposing? Close the streets?

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Some Taiwanese people do not understand the demands of traffic safety advocates and even misinterpret their demands.

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on Roads, resume the use of freeways by motorcycles. The United Nations representative of the Taiwan government signed the United Nations Road Convention in 1969. This is a long-term violation of the United Nations Road Convention by the Taiwan government. The Taiwan government also violated its commitment to join the WTO decades ago: to resume the use of freeways for motorcycles above 550cc. The Taiwan government still uses unscientific means to maliciously prevent it.
2. Most of the Taiwanese governments do not scientifically improve the sight distance at intersections, do not do basic planning such as road geometric configuration, do not change the shape of intersections, and do not solve traffic problems from the 3 Es Of Road Safety. Most road improvements only involve installing traffic lights. In this photo, many unnecessary traffic signals were removed after the incident today.

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