Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Club Sandwich]

I mean it's a 180-200 grain 9mm going roughly 2200-2400 feet per second. That is going to go deep and hit hard.

from my experience, a .30-30, 7.62x39, or .308 - the most common "deer" rounds are really pushing the edge if you're targeting the bigger animals with lung/heart shots through hide and winter fat. .360 buckhammer seems like a decent option in this case, although an entirely new rifle for it is a little much for the asking - somebody already a good shot with .30-30 in their marlin or has something fancier in .45-70 for moose or .444 marlin for elk or something isn't going to see much of any worth in getting it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

from my experience, a .30-30, 7.62x39, or .308 - the most common "deer" rounds are really pushing the edge if you're targeting the bigger animals with lung/heart shots through hide and winter fat. .360 buckhammer seems like a decent option in this case, although an entirely new rifle for it is a little much for the asking - somebody already a good shot with .30-30 in their marlin or has something fancier in .45-70 for moose or .444 marlin for elk or something isn't going to see much of any worth in getting it.

It definitely is niche. I just like that they made a new rimmed round at all. It's a interesting in between 30-30 and 45-70.

 

[Mikoyan]

from my experience, a .30-30, 7.62x39, or .308 - the most common "deer" rounds are really pushing the edge if you're targeting the bigger animals with lung/heart shots through hide and winter fat. .360 buckhammer seems like a decent option in this case, although an entirely new rifle for it is a little much for the asking - somebody already a good shot with .30-30 in their marlin or has something fancier in .45-70 for moose or .444 marlin for elk or something isn't going to see much of any worth in getting it.

As usual, 'straight wall' is the key. This is primarily intended for use in places where all the mentioned rounds cannot be used. For the 'revolver cartridge' states, people will get a new gun for a good hunting cartridge.

 

[Club Sandwich]

It definitely is niche. I just like that they made a new rimmed round at all. It's a interesting in between 30-30 and 45-70.

imagine some guy starts fire-forming .30-30 cases and trimming to make .360 BH cases. it's certainly doable. and you load a .35 cal bullet on top (.359" for BH) and you can push a 223gr at 2000 f/s and delete brown bear in a gun not much bigger than a marlin 336. that's pretty neat. niche, but neat.

As usual, 'straight wall' is the key. This is primarily intended for use in places where all the mentioned rounds cannot be used. For the 'revolver cartridge' states, people will get a new gun for a good hunting cartridge.

i've never hunted in a "straight-wall only" state, wonder what they were using previously? i assume the ones i already mentioned plus i guess 450 bushmaster if they allow semi-autos.

 

[WelperHelper99]

imagine some guy starts fire-forming .30-30 cases and trimming to make .360 BH cases. it's certainly doable. and you load a .35 cal bullet on top (.359" for BH) and you can push a 223gr at 2000 f/s and delete brown bear in a gun not much bigger than a marlin 336. that's pretty neat. niche, but neat.

That's what's really going to be interesting to see, all the hand loads. There's a lot you can do with a .35 caliber round and a big case that 360 buckhammer offers.

 

[Club Sandwich]

That's what's really going to be interesting to see, all the hand loads. There's a lot you can do with a .35 caliber round and a big case that 360 buckhammer offers.

i have a .35 Whelen M1 build i use sometimes for mountain goats i hand load with .358 SJWC bullets and some brass from my 336, might have to try to cook something up.

 

[AGPinochet]

Something very interesting was seized last month is Louisiana, A DIY Integrally suppressed PCC, the Partisan-9. Seized a result of a guy threatening another driver on the road with a "3D Printed gun" (unknown if the Partisan-9 itself). Very curious occurrence, and based on the presence of filament in the seizure pic AND the presence of an unnecessarily tacky pistol grip I believe this example was self manufactured by the guy himself. Which means that we live in an era in which any road raging retard can build himself an Integrally suppressed PCC.


Staying on the topic of 3D Printing, Prominent Developer Ivan The Troll has showcased his latest innovation, the PM-1 fire control group, AR compatible, Trigger, Hammer and disconnector are printable, everything else is COTS. All in all this design renders his previous design (The Common Sense Gun Control Group) obsolete for DIY Purposes.


He has also uploaded a youtube video giving a broader overview of the project

Desert Eagle in the PPKDW/3011 Style via a Printed frame, expect inevetable buffer tube and pic rail adapter abominations. Designed by Pembleton & Sons. And yes it works


A guy is working on Printing a thompson receiver and has made it compatible with an AR FCG, and thus Hoffman Super Safeties (regardless of their dubious regulatory approval)

A guy on reddit has been chopping up and screwing together various parts to create this, an unnamed homemade Bufferless long stroke piston system, modeled after the Kel-tec SU-16 (that is where the gas block is sourced but a DIY one is being worked on). The Tube above the barrel houses the piston and the recoil spring is nested over it. Guy is working on creating a custom upper for it. Even has vague ideas for modifiying the design to make a downward ejecting bullpup rifle


Mosin that has been converted to 8.6 Blackout by Sovereign Development


Before they had their EZ Tune gas tubes, Black River Tactical had their Micro Tune gas blocks. Users would tune their gas system through threaded inserts with center drilled bores of various sizes, essentially allowing the user to have a gas port as big or as small as they wanted (within the physical limitations of the "master" hole drilled and threaded to accept the various inserts of course). This design was essentially the same as the gas jet system that SCAR's use.

I bring this up because I found a thread by a guy detailing how he made his own at home version of this system with simple hand tools. An archive of which can be found below

https://archive.ph/WkG2y

Doesn't matter how worn your gas port gets if you can just add a second gas port that is much smaller

Comped Alien, it is only proper that a pistol with such features and design elements should have every possible add on to further increase its performance

"Arhipov's Lever" AK mag release


One of the guys working on the 3D Printed Bizon mag for KP9/AKV style guns is as a side project making a Glock Compatible version

Requires a proprietary cartridge elevator that can only be made by DMLS 3D Printing, so probably not DIYable for most people

Ridgeline Defense (they are from what I understand, THE people to go to for training on 5.56 SPR type rifles) have recently come out with their RD-15 LPR rifle. It is a proprietary SPR type rifle that meets all of their exacting specifications. The rifle has an extended barrel journal which the handguard directly mounts to instead of a barrel nut (which in the case of the LPR is tasked solely with retaining the barrel). Said handguard has an integrated Arca rail. The barrel is a proprietary profile 416r Stainless Proof Research 16''. Ridgeline has the club of jam nut retained gas blocks (KAC, Q and Barrett) with the LPR.

A user on /r/NFA has released an updated version of his Suppressor Failure tracker. So you don't feel stupid like I did, to swap between the totals and the failure report section you have to click on the little tabs at the bottom of the page

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xUMtdVpgwKAyOuYXxK_hd3Z7XYD_xj-IJCTcG8b_Xno/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Dean Pentel]

I'm seriously considering a Beretta 1301, it's gonna be the Mod 1 because if I even dare to think about the Mod 2 I may as well go full retard and get an M4 with that chunk of change. Also I heard they might be discontinuing the marine finish with bias towards FDE/OD Green production.
I don't feel a need to get the extended tube, but I'm thinking a heatshield may be necessary at least eventually.

You definitely don't have to, but if you can swing it financially, I strongly recommend a 1301 from Langdon Tactical. Worth every penny.

i have a .35 Whelen M1 build i use sometimes for mountain goats i hand load with .358 SJWC bullets and some brass from my 336, might have to try to cook something up.

Fucking sick! Also not a surprise that you'd have one of these.

Comped Alien, it is only proper that a pistol with such features and design elements should have every possible add on to further increase its performance

That thing barely moves in recoil! I can only imagine the price.

Edit: Fucking annoying that all kinds of folks are crowing about getting their suppressors in less than a week after submitting their Form 4s. Meanwhile I'm closing in on 3 months and I'm doubtful this shit gets approved any time soon. Probably because I point out online frequently how ATF actually stands for Are Tyrannical Faggots.

 

[Legato]

You definitely don't have to, but if you can swing it financially, I strongly recommend a 1301 from Langdon Tactical. Worth every penny.

Fucking sick! Also not a surprise that you'd have one of these.

That thing barely moves in recoil! I can only imagine the price.

Edit: Fucking annoying that all kinds of folks are crowing about getting their suppressors in less than a week after submitting their Form 4s. Meanwhile I'm closing in on 3 months and I'm doubtful this shit gets approved any time soon. Probably because I point out online frequently how ATF actually stands for Are Tyrannical Faggots.

Just be happy you dont have to wait a full year, like I did for each of my first 2.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Just be happy you dont have to wait a full year, like I did for each of my first 2.

My first was 19 months so I know the feels. I thought we were well past that but like any US government entity they're fucking inefficient and retarded at random.

That aside, I wonder how the Huxwrx cans are going to be for maintenance. All my other cans come apart so there's an expectation of cleaning/care that's normal.

 

[The Dude]

Still waiting for the ATF to get off their fat ass and approve my Form 4. It's been two weeks now.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

My first was 19 months so I know the feels. I thought we were well past that but like any US government entity they're fucking inefficient and retarded at random.

That aside, I wonder how the Huxwrx cans are going to be for maintenance. All my other cans come apart so there's an expectation of cleaning/care that's normal.

You can get an ultrasonic cleaner for like $100 that'll do the trick, and I'm sure there's all sorts of juices or sauces you can add to improve things.
I've seen some sort of foam that people put in them and then shoot it out, but I'd be wary of baffle strikes having seen something similar happen when shooting a 5.56 can wet. Ultrasonic is where it's at, and does all the work for you.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

some elk and bear stomping rounds ready to go.
Speer Cor-Hot 270gr 9.3mm lead round nose
45grs of IMR-4064 (compressed)
2,087 FPS, 2,611 foot pounds of energy.
surprisingly pleasant from the shoulder when standing or sitting but decidedly not fun when prone.

 

[Doctor Love]

You can get an ultrasonic cleaner for like $100 that'll do the trick, and I'm sure there's all sorts of juices or sauces you can add to improve things.
I've seen some sort of foam that people put in them and then shoot it out, but I'd be wary of baffle strikes having seen something similar happen when shooting a 5.56 can wet. Ultrasonic is where it's at, and does all the work for you.

British, so not entirely familiar with the taboos of firearms - what is the internal baffle material actually like? Just raw metal, or is it treated? I can see the benefits of an ultrasonic cleaner, but would a steamer be too abrasive?

Spoiler: odd question

What the fuck are the ATF regulations meant to be, exactly? I have a bunch of reasonable ideas and there's no way to make any sense of them. Is it legal to use an electronic suppressor system?

 

[WhoBusTank69]

What the fuck are the ATF regulations meant to be, exactly?

Not even the ATF knows anymore, because it sure as hell isn't about public safety.

I have a bunch of reasonable ideas and there's no way to make any sense of them. Is it legal to use an electronic suppressor system?

Any sound suppressor is legally a silencer, no matter the method or construction, intentional or otherwise.
The only exception to being registered, though even that is vague, is if it's affixed to a stationary firearm that is not intended to nor can be moved and I still would not bet the life of anyone's dog on it.

 

[Doctor Love]

stationary

>drill a hole in it for a cable

Done, stationary.

Any sound suppressor is legally a silencer, no matter the method or construction,

Well shit, since I'm in the UK I don't have the resources to test shit out well. I was wondering if it was something which had been tried - essentially, a "moving" impeller instead of stationary baffling.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

>drill a hole in it for a cable

Done, stationary.

No, absolutely stationary. As in, not portable. A swivel gun drilled and bolted to the foundation/structure sort of stationary, which allows for exceptions in production or manufacturing facilities.

 

[WelperHelper99]

One of the guys working on the 3D Printed Bizon mag for KP9/AKV style guns is as a side project making a Glock Compatible version

Requires a proprietary cartridge elevator that can only be made by DMLS 3D Printing, so probably not DIYable for most people

Glock compatable helical magazine. I'd imagine the balance would be fucky wucky if you put it on a pistol, and forcing it up the glock mag well to single feed might cause jams, but as a concept... fuck yes.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

British, so not entirely familiar with the taboos of firearms - what is the internal baffle material actually like? Just raw metal, or is it treated? I can see the benefits of an ultrasonic cleaner, but would a steamer be too abrasive?

Spoiler: odd question

What the fuck are the ATF regulations meant to be, exactly? I have a bunch of reasonable ideas and there's no way to make any sense of them. Is it legal to use an electronic suppressor system?

It'll depend on who makes it, but generally it's gonna be raw steel. It's pretty common for the blast baffle to be made of something serious like inconel, and the rest to be made of stainless or maybe titanium. No matter what a suppressor is made of, it has a life expectancy, at least until you've eroded the baffles to the point where it's no longer as quiet as you'd like it to be. Depends on what you're running, but a healthy diet of something like 7mm RUM isn't exactly gentle on things.

No idea about a steamer, but I'm pretty sure an ultrasonic is more effective. It'll damage your bones/nerves if you stuck your finger in the water, and will bust off whatever caked on junk there is usually.

As a rule, I don't think you're supposed to run coated titanium or aluminum in an ultrasonic cleaner, so for cheap cans and some pistol/rimfire cans you're limited to using a brush or whatever.
If you don't care about the paint or finish on your titanium you can run it, but it'll take off cerakote over time.

The ATF is notorious for taking it up the ass, and it definitely shows by the faggy shit they say. Basically anything that reduces your muzzle report by even 1dB is considered a silencer, so holding a soda bottle stuffed with wet newspaper to your muzzle is considered a silencer. I'm sure you'd get pretty well shafted if you made a habit of stuffing a pillow on the end of your gun if you shot where ATFags frequent.

I'm not sure an electronic can would
Generally moving parts are avoided, save for boosters on pistol cans. In the US we're really into expensive cans that's can take insane abuse, often lasting longer than the gun during meltdown. This is changing because of our faster Form4 turnaround times, but if you're waiting 6 months+ for a can you don't want some plastic piece of shit.
The quietest cans seem to have the first baffle be full of holes, or they have a wipe. Wipes aren't very practical in most situations because of lifespan and accuracy, so they're not the most common. Check out the Allen Engineering MK12 can to see what I'm talking about, a number of other really quiet cans are using that same baffle stack type.

 

[WelperHelper99]

i've never hunted in a "straight-wall only" state, wonder what they were using previously? i assume the ones i already mentioned plus i guess 450 bushmaster if they allow semi-autos.

Don't move to Illinois then. They won't let you hunt with a 308 bolt action, but they will a "pistol," and a muzzle loader if you don't want to go shotgun route. Blue states are insane.

i have a .35 Whelen M1 build i use sometimes for mountain goats i hand load with .358 SJWC bullets and some brass from my 336, might have to try to cook something up.

Late, but that sounds cool. Heard of those conversions. I don't think I'd have the heart though to tear up a M1.