Liz Fong-Jones / Elliot William Fong / @lizthegrey - 'Consent accident' enjoyer, ex-Google employee, nepotistic sex pest, Robert Z'Dar look-alike who wants authority over the Internet

[Temperance]

They're both buzzwords for tracking how well an application or suite of applications performing. What you're seeing in those posts is Elliot paying the bills as he'll often get to mention Honeycomb (the product that nobody uses or wants) in the same breath.

Yeah, I know "Observability" is mostly a meme term (pushed by Honeycomb) for performance monitoring tools.

I have a knee-jerk reaction to any kind of monitoring or telemetry; just look at what Microsoft's been up to with Windows 11, for example. Maybe I'm being dumb/ignorant, but it really makes me wonder if something like OpenTelemetry (even if it's currently just used for performance monitoring) could eventually be expanded or co-opted to monitor for "hate speech", "harassment", or any kind of wrongthink.

Liz Fong-Jones already has a history of co-opting movements. For example, Liz used the Google employee protests against Projects Maven & Dragonfly as a Trojan Horse to push for DEI at Google.

Liz also has a deep connection to OpenTelemetry; it's not just something he talks about to simultaneously advertise Honeycomb. See:

"OpenTelemetry governance committee member" Liz also had the sway to sign the letter on behalf of this organization:

LOL, and the OpenTelemetry people just outright stated that the RMS letter was for Diversity/Equity/Inclusion "goals".

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks there's something fishy going on. But I admit that I could be totally wrong about this.

Spoiler: Schizo conspiracy rambling - feel free to disregard

Aside from the OpenTelemetry people outright admitting that they signed the RMS letter to "support our DEI stance/goals", I also noticed this:
https://opentelemetry.io/community/mission/

OpenTelemetry mission, vision, and values​

Maybe I'm just schizo, but the "North Star" term stands out to me, because I've seen it quite a bit over the past couple years - almost always as a kind of euphemism for DEI as an ultimate guiding principle. And when there's an obsession with DEI, there will inevitably be censorship of wrongthink.

Example: During the NPR drama, Uri Berliner (a senior editor at NPR) publicly criticized NPR for losing America's trust, basically due to bias/wokeness. The term "North Star" came up multiple times in Uri's article.

He declared that diversity—on our staff and in our audience—was the overriding mission, the “North Star” of the organization. Phrases like “that’s part of the North Star” became part of meetings and more casual conversation.

So on May 3, 2021, I presented the findings at an all-hands editorial staff meeting. When I suggested we had a diversity problem with a score of 87 Democrats and zero Republicans, the response wasn’t hostile. It was worse. It was met with profound indifference. I got a few messages from surprised, curious colleagues. But the messages were of the “oh wow, that’s weird” variety, as if the lopsided tally was a random anomaly rather than a critical failure of our diversity North Star.

Even so, out of frustration, on November 6, 2022, I wrote to the captain of ship North Star—CEO John Lansing—about the lack of viewpoint diversity and asked if we could have a conversation about it. I got no response, so I followed up four days later. He said he would appreciate hearing my perspective and copied his assistant to set up a meeting. On December 15, the morning of the meeting, Lansing’s assistant wrote back to cancel our conversation because he was under the weather. She said he was looking forward to chatting and a new meeting invitation would be sent. But it never came.

I won’t speculate about why our meeting never happened. Being CEO of NPR is a demanding job with lots of constituents and headaches to deal with. But what’s indisputable is that no one in a C-suite or upper management position has chosen to deal with the lack of viewpoint diversity at NPR and how that affects our journalism.

Which is a shame. Because for all the emphasis on our North Star, NPR’s news audience in recent years has become less diverse, not more so. Back in 2011, our audience leaned a bit to the left but roughly reflected America politically; now, the audience is cramped into a smaller, progressive silo.

A few weeks ago, NPR welcomed a new CEO, Katherine Maher, who’s been a leader in tech. She doesn’t have a news background, which could be an asset given where things stand. I’ll be rooting for her. It’s a tough job. Her first rule could be simple enough: don’t tell people how to think. It could even be the new North Star.

And yeah... then the infamous Katherine Maher became the new CEO of NPR, and she promptly forced Uri Berliner to resign.

You can also just google "North Star" and "DEI" to see what I mean:
https://www.google.com/search?q=north+star+"dei"









The notorious grifter Shaun King (aka Talcum X, aka Martin Luther Cream) even has a blog/website called The North Star.


Anyway, even if the "North Star" thing is a schizo red herring, I believe OpenTelemetry is up to no good. Just being involved with Liz Fong-Jones is a bad sign all by itself.

 

[Temperance]

Ok, just one last post about the Cambridge academics.
https://cybercrimeology.com/episodes/hackting-out-defacement-and-hate-online-amid-global-conflicts [Archive]

Hackting Out: Defacement and Hate Online amid Global Conflicts​

EPISODE SUMMARY​

In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Alice Hutchings and her PhD student, Anh Vu, from the University of Cambridge, delve into the intricate world of cybercrime amidst global conflicts, with a special focus on the challenges of deplatforming hate groups. They discuss their research at the Cambridge Cybercrime Centre, focusing on the surge of hacker defacements and DDoS attacks in response to international tensions, notably the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel-Gaza. Additionally, they explore the complexities of deplatforming online hate groups, using the case of Kiwi Farms as an example of how difficult it can be to mitigate the activities of these groups without unintended consequences. Dr. Hutchings and Anh Vu highlight how these cyber incidents reflect broader geopolitical dynamics and the persistent challenge of controlling harmful online behavior while respecting free speech. Their analysis provides a comprehensive view of the cyber dimensions of warfare and online community management.

EPISODE NOTES​

Notes:

• Introduction to Cybercrime Research: Dr. Hutchings and Ahn Vu introduce their work at the Cambridge Cybercrime Centre.
• Global Conflicts and Cyber Activities: Discussion on how global conflicts, such as those in Ukraine and Israel-Gaza, spur cybercrime activities like website defacements and DDoS attacks.
• Cyber Tactics During Warfare: Insights into how cyber tactics are employed quickly after conflicts start, with a focus on how these activities serve both political propaganda and cybercriminal interests.
• Deplatforming Hate Groups: In-depth analysis of the challenges faced when deplatforming hate groups, specifically referencing the Kiwi Farms case.
• Temporary Effects of Cyber Attacks: Observations on the short-lived nature of heightened cyber activities post-conflict, with a decline in interest and activities after initial spikes.
• Challenges of Cybercrime Research: Discussion on the difficulties in tracking and attributing cyber attacks, particularly those by decentralized and loosely organized groups.
• Unintended Consequences of Deplatforming: Exploration of how attempts to silence harmful online communities can lead to increased attention and unintended reinforcement of these groups.
• Closing Thoughts: Dr. Hutchings and Ahn Vu summarize the ongoing challenges and the evolving landscape of cybercrime in the context of international security and online governance.

Anh V. Vu and Alice Hutchings appeared on a cybercrime podcast last month. It was mostly about cyberattacks in the Russia-Ukraine war, but they talked a little about Kiwifarms in the second half. Here's a clip of just the KF bit:

Spoiler: Transcript

Host: So, I know you've done research into other types of criminal groups online and other platforms. What can we do about these groups? Can we just deplatform hackers?

Anh: Previous work has found that industry actions can be much more effective than government actions. Then, we question to what extent industry actions - when it's done by a series of tech firms - how effective it is in taking down a website that supports hate and harassment.

Anh: So the case that we looked at is the Kiwifarms disruptions which happened in 2022 August. A Canadian activist was harassed so seriously that she started a campaign to drop Kiwifarms.

Alice: You know, it's a campaign that was orchestrated on Twitter - #DropKiwifarms. And in the end, after quite a lot of pressure, they determined that because of the real risk to human life, that they would actually take what - I think they described it as an unprecedented move - to stop hosting Kiwifarms.

Alice: There's I suppose a lot of reluctance on the behalf of industry to act as the World Censors, but the main point that they really kinda stressed in their media release was the risk to human life.

Anh: A number of tech firms also took part in the process. That means a series of tech firms attempted to drop the website. But by collecting the activities on that forum and some web traffic to that forum, we found that the industry actions were quite effective in the first few months. The forum was shut down, and the activities went to zero. But then, they shifted their discussion to another platform - on Telegram - and after a few months, the website was back online, the users returned to the website. And the users became even more connected.

Alice: There was a drop in some membership within the forum. So particularly those that had fairly weak connections.

Anh: We found quite a lot of casual members left the forum, or maybe they changed their handles - we don't know. But most of the key members, like the most active ones on the forum, stayed and yeah - they just returned after the forum was back online.

Alice: And there was a large number of new members. Well, we don't necessarily know if the ones who left just kind of made new accounts - because there was also a data breach around that time. So... you know, couldn't have known if it was an entirely new member or if it was a returning member with a new account. It's difficult to determine.

Alice: But the new members that did either rejoin or join Kiwifarms kind of after all the disruptions were occurring - were more connected than the ones who had left earlier. So, it seems that yes - there was an initial reduction in membership, but the community kind of rallied together in a way afterwards.

Alice: And it's really quite remarkable, I think - the persistence that the administrators had in actually keeping the forum going in quite a well-managed, concerted effort to take them off the face of the Internet. They were very adept in kind of continually coming back. At one stage they were on Tor for a little bit... but yeah, they unfortunately [unintelligible]...

Anh: Yeah, and we do monitor the Telegram channels of Kiwifarms. And we do look at the messages on the channel hosted by the admins. So it seems like the admin was very competent - very technically competent. He kept maintaining the servers and the website. And he even built up his own company to host hateful content, including Kiwifarms and another extremist website, I think, in New Zealand. And when the hosting was shut down, the website in New Zealand was also shut down.

Host: So what has happened to their membership after all of this? You mentioned sort of a crystallizing of relationships, but in terms of total numbers... are there more of them on there, or less after all of this?

Anh: Yes, there are more of them after three months. So, we looked at the number of members and the number of posts on the forums. And after the decrease - twice, I think - they recovered, and the activities were even higher than before. And also the number of posting users.

Alice: So one of the problems - one of the unintended consequences of website takedowns - is what's referred to as the Streisand Effect.

Alice: So, Barbara Streisand had some photos taken of her home, which were taken as part of an attempt to document coastal erosion. And the photos of her home were put on a kind of an online archive, and her legal team requested that the photos be removed. And as a result of the kind of tussle that went on as a result of that request, the outcome was that more people went to view the photos than there would have if, you know, it had just been left as it was.

Alice: And so, by requesting takedowns - in relation to Kiwifarms, its really toxic, hateful content on there. By increasing the people's attention to its existence and the type of activities that are orchestrated there, really did seem to have the unintended consequence of really driving traffic to the site.

Alice: I think there's some really interesting lessons that can be learned there. So, we think about how we deal and manage with these types of communities that really were quite resistant to takedown by some of the most capable tech firms, and the unintended consequences that arose as a result of that... It does raise questions about: Is that actually the best way to deal with it?

Alice: And of course, also - it fuels the fire in terms of people thinking that their rights to free speech are being taken away. I'm not saying that the right to harass in any way equates to the right to free speech at all, but it just feeds some of the paranoia that might be fueling the fire there.

Anh: Yeah, we see a spike of traffic to Kiwifarms and the spike of people searching for Kiwifarms on Google, and it's like seven times higher than before - just right after Cloudflare took action.

[podcast outro]

 

[EgyptianTraveler]

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jersh needs to enable telegram media so that we can spam this each time a domain or vps gets hit

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

they talked a little about Kiwifarms in the second half. Here's a clip of just the KF bit:

fucking hilarious
the only cybercrime being committed in this scenario is Erriot Ching Chong DDoSing the 'farms

HAI ERRIOT
TIME FOR ME TO SPEAKEE MOR CHINEE TU YU
CHING CHONG BONG PONG WONG DONG KONG TONG
NONG KONG CHONG DONG PONG BONG

IT MEAN "FUCK U ERRIOT"

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[AirdropShitposts]

If someone has not directly contacted a "target", maybe, just maybe, they are not a "harasser".

This is why they're so big on stochastic terrorism. It doesn't even require anything but the accusation that some speech could theoretically have the probability of resulting in some other person taking an unknown future action. There's no defense the accused can make against it. Even your intent is irrelevant. Just warning people that Liz Fong-Jones is a rapist (who may or many not have AIDS) has the probability that someone will fight back when Liz Fong-Jones tries to rape them so anyone posting that Liz-Fong Jones is a rapist is a stochastic terrorist and needs to be in prison to protect rapist Liz Fong-Jones.

 

[AnOminous]

Hey CHING CHONG JIZZ DONG. We're STILL HERE!

This is why they're so big on stochastic terrorism. It doesn't even require anything but the accusation that some speech could theoretically have the probability of resulting in some other person taking an unknown future action. There's no defense the accused can make against it. Even your intent is irrelevant. Just warning people that Liz Fong-Jones is a rapist (who may or many not have AIDS) has the probability that someone will fight back when Liz Fong-Jones tries to rape them so anyone posting that Liz-Fong Jones is a rapist is a stochastic terrorist and needs to be in prison to protect rapist Liz Fong-Jones.

And the more hilarious part of this idiotic argument is they routinely call for the death of people they disagree with. PUNCH NAZIS KILL NAZIS. And somehow these "NAZIS" are whoever they currently disagree with. So they label people as "NAZIS" and urge people to kill them.

And somehow this isn't the exact "stochastic terrorism" they're whining about.

It's like they think "if I use a word most people don't know I can just encourage murdering my enemies."

Yeah, well, sic semper tyrannis, try forcing that on people who understand what you're doing.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

And the more hilarious part of this idiotic argument is they routinely call for the death of people they disagree with. PUNCH NAZIS KILL NAZIS. And somehow these "NAZIS" are whoever they currently disagree with. So they label people as "NAZIS" and urge people to kill them.

And somehow this isn't the exact "stochastic terrorism" they're whining about.

 

[SIMIΔN]

And the more hilarious part of this idiotic argument is they routinely call for the death of people they disagree with. PUNCH NAZIS KILL NAZIS. And somehow these "NAZIS" are whoever they currently disagree with. So they label people as "NAZIS" and urge people to kill them.

Didn't "Liz" attempt to contact Ukranian neonazis about then Ukranian-resident Null permitting the pro-Moscow thread?

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Didn't "Liz" attempt to contact Ukranian neonazis about then Ukranian-resident Null permitting the pro-Moscow thread?

Yes, Elliot and gimp crew contacted the hosting company in Kyiv to whine about how Null is a Literal Stochastic Terrorist Russian Agent. The response at the time was, "Piss off, we have bigger things to worry about."

 

[Hillary Clinton's Ass]

Didn't "Liz" attempt to contact Ukranian neonazis about then Ukranian-resident Null permitting the pro-Moscow thread?

The trannies didn't try to contact neonazis but rather they tried to contact the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense and get them to force Virtual Systems, an Ukrainian hosting company based out of Kiev, to stop providing services to the farms. The troons failed miserably.

Null posted more about that in the Tier List for Internet Services thread.

 

[TooManyKittens]

I love how there like you're paranoid you're gonna loose free speech when everything said here that isn't removed by null or admins is perfectly legal speech in the usa. Gaslighting so perfect it could be a dictionary example.

I also find it interesting they repeat lies about us but only vaguely. Threat to human life eh? There never was one you retards, just a threat to your reputations.

Censorship is good when the good guys do it!!! Castrated fetish bdsm men say so guise!!!!

 

[Otterly]

I am not a doctor, is there any doctor in the room that can confirm whether if you can be immunodeficient and still have autoimmune diseases?

I am also not a doctor but methotrexate is not completely contraindicated for HIV patients especially if they have something like psoriatic arthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. There’s not a whole load of work done on it but it looks like it can coexist with the usual ARTs just fine. So him being on methotrexate doesn’t exclude him having HIV.
He did mention psoriatic arthritis as a possible co-morbidity. The usual treatment for that these days is a monoclonal antibody which knocks down one of the signalling molecules in a specific pathway. For example Humira takes down TNF-alpha. The monoclonals (there’s loads now for various molecules) are genuinely amazing drugs which can make living with PA bearable rather than crippling.
However, they do suppress your immune system. They can however still be used in people with HIV in some cases. You can’t use them if you have certain dormant infections like latent TB

HIV can also cause a range of inflammatory conditions in and of itself. Including a form of scleritis. Scleritis is usually associated with an underlying condition and most of that is autoimmune disease but it can also be a signal that there’s an infection or something systemic going on.
Just looking at him, if he does have HIV it’s not at a stage that’s going to kill him fast - I do t see any of the facial wasting that’s a dead giveaway of someone who is about to get to the stage of no return. Liz is still a solidly built bloke and his face is still a majestic slab.
Ironically about 75 to 80% of HIV patient have serious issues with their eyes, so I do wonder if plain old scleritis is is actually what he has. Kiwis will be delighted to hear that another thing HIV patients get at high frequency is dementia.
That was a lot of words to say I’m not sure if he does or not

 

[Ewan McGregor]

That was a lot of words to say I’m not sure if he does or not

I'm pretty certain he doesn't have AIDS, but HIV it's at 50% chance all things considered.

By the way, Elliot, just so that you know. We don't really care. We don't actually want you to, you know, die.

A little bit of suffering, perhaps, because you're a reprehensible person who's made a career of bullying, harassing, cajoling and intimidating (interesting, huh?) people into your demands to compensate for your shitty family life, and you have demonstrated that you don't flinch at ruining lives. You're as much ruthless and psychopathic as you claim we are, so, by your own metrics you deserve a fuckload of shit. Therefore, it's not really very fair that you get to be happy.

But we're all fine because we know you ain't.

Your poor health just makes the trainwreck of your life more interesting to watch, no more but also no less.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

I also find it interesting they repeat lies about us but only vaguely. Threat to human life eh? There never was one you retards, just a threat to your reputations

apparently, "rape" is "human life" to Erriot and his kink-fag deviants

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Yes, Elliot and gimp crew contacted the hosting company in Kyiv to whine about how Null is a Literal Stochastic Terrorist Russian Agent. The response at the time was, "Piss off, we have bigger things to worry about."

Now then you mention it, I wonder what's LFJ's position about Palestine and Israel?

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I'm pretty certain he doesn't have AIDS, but HIV it's at 50% chance all things considered.

By the way, Elliot, just so that you know. We don't really care. We don't actually want you to, you know, die.

A little bit of suffering, perhaps, because you're a reprehensible person who's made a career of bullying, harassing, cajoling and intimidating (interesting, huh?) people into your demands to compensate for your shitty family life, and you have demonstrated that you don't flinch at ruining lives. You're as much ruthless and psychopathic as you claim we are, so, by your own metrics you deserve a fuckload of shit. Therefore, it's not really very fair that you get to be happy.

But we're all fine because we know you ain't.

Your poor health just makes the trainwreck of your life more interesting to watch, no more but also no less.

No, I actually do want Dongless to die. Preferably something ironic like an infected stinkditch. I don't normally wish death on cows, but I'll make an exception here.

Not because he's a gross, disgusting tranny. Not even because he's a consent-accidenter. But because he's an active, ongoing threat to freedom of speech, and for the most selfish possible reasons imaginable.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Now then you mention it, I wonder what's LFJ's position about Palestine and Israel?

From the Stinkditch to the Beauty Parlor, Hiyabi Cows will be free

 

[Joe Cool]

By the way, Elliot, just so that you know. We don't really care. We don't actually want you to, you know, die.

I just want him to go blind. Also a partial solution to consent accidents.

 

[Unifier of Hispania]

a partial solution to consent accidents.

And a permanent obstacle to observability.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

And the more hilarious part of this idiotic argument is they routinely call for the death of people they disagree with. PUNCH NAZIS KILL NAZIS. And somehow these "NAZIS" are whoever they currently disagree with. So they label people as "NAZIS" and urge people to kill them.

And somehow this isn't the exact "stochastic terrorism" they're whining about.

It's like they think "if I use a word most people don't know I can just encourage murdering my enemies."

Yeah, well, sic semper tyrannis, try forcing that on people who understand what you're doing.

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You fascist chuds just don't realize that the purpose of rules is to help the Good Guys defeat the Bad Guys, not to bind the Good Guys from defeating the Bad Guys. More proof you're Bad Guys.