KR North Korean troops will become 'cannon fodder' if they aid Russia in Ukraine, Pentagon says - 영광스러운 지도자를 위해 죽으라.

Sinéad Baker Article
Jun 26, 2024, 6:24 AM CDT
North Korean troops that are sent to Ukraine to aid in Russia's war would become "cannon fodder," the Pentagon said.

Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said on Tuesday that "I think that if I were North Korean military personnel management, I would be questioning my choices on sending my forces to be cannon fodder in an illegal war against Ukraine."

Ryder was responding to a question about North Korea potentially dispatching army engineering units to Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, which is occupied by Russia.
According to South Korea's TV Chosun, citing a South Korean government official and referenced by Reuters, North Korea is planning to send construction and engineering forces to occupied Ukraine as soon as next month for rebuilding work.

Earlier this month, Russia and North Korea signed a pact agreeing to give each other military assistance if the other is attacked.

Countries including the US and Japan condemned the move, with South Korea saying it was considering sending weapons to Ukraine as a result. South Korea's president described the pact as a threat to his nation's security.

Ryder described North Korea potentially sending military forces to Russia as "certainly something to keep an eye on," and hinted at the high number of Russian casualties throughout the war.

The UK Ministry of Defence said at the end of May that the total number of killed or wounded Russian soldiers since February 2022 was around 500,000.

It also said that the average daily number of Russian personnel casualties in May was over 1,200.

Russia is known for treating its own troops as highly disposable.

This includes through using "meat wave" tactics, where it sends waves of poorly trained and unsupported soldiers toward Ukrainian positions to try to overwhelm them.

A Russian soldier who plans offensives said this month that he has to send men forward knowing they will likely die, but doesn't tell them how low their chances of survival are.

"I can't tell the men, otherwise they wouldn't fight with the hope of winning," he said.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Vietnam is not the least bit analogous to the current war. Israel's war on Hamas is more like Vietnam.

You sound retarded friend. Every tactic that has been used in Vietnam has been used in Ukraine.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I think that's kind of the idea.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

You sound retarded friend. Every tactic that has been used in Vietnam has been used in Ukraine.

Vietnam was jungle warfare against rice farmers with AK-47s and the US managed to lose that war due to political pressures at home. The Russo-Ukraine war is more like Kursk, WWI, or as others stated, the Iran-Iraq war where the two sides are proper military organizations that have to carefully advance on open plains and jury-rigging upgrades on equipment as needed.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Vietnam was jungle warfare against rice farmers with AK-47s and the US managed to lose that war due to political pressures at home. The Russo-Ukraine war is more like Kursk, WWI, or as others stated, the Iran-Iraq war where the two sides are proper military organizations that have to carefully advance on open plains and jury-rigging upgrades on equipment as needed.

No it’s exactly like the Tet Offensive. Small raids with little gain and ultimately futile.

 

[JosephStalin]

You sound retarded friend. Every tactic that has been used in Vietnam has been used in Ukraine.

Wouldn't say that at all. Don't believe any Ukrainian territory has been defoliated by spraying from planes. Not aware of any protected settlements. Don't believe the Ukrainians are choppering troops all over the place. Not aware of any Ukrainian firebases. Ukrainian bombers aren't blowing the shit out of Russian logistics hubs.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Wouldn't say that at all. Don't believe any Ukrainian territory has been defoliated by spraying from planes. Not aware of any protected settlements. Don't believe the Ukrainians are choppering troops all over the place. Not aware of any Ukrainian firebases. Ukrainian bombers aren't blowing the shit out of Russian logistics hubs.

But they should. It would be funny.

 

[JosephStalin]

No it’s exactly like the Tet Offensive. Small raids with little gain and ultimately futile.

Not at all. NVA and Viet Cong captured nearly all of Hue, a major South Vietnamese city. Took a great deal of fighting by US and South Vietnamese forces to get them out. NVA also attacked the US Embassy in Saigon, bloody.

Tet largely wiped out the Viet Cong, leaving the NVA to do the fighting. But Tet had a hiuge effect here. This is why LBJ declined to run for re-election, and antiwar sentiment grew in Washington. I remember all this quite well,

 

[A Cardboard Box]

North Korea wave attacks almost won the Korean War. It was enough for United nation and United states forces to back off invading the north.

That's not what happened. The UN managed to make it all the way to the Yalu, (see: the border between China and the DPRK) and only a Chinese ground intervention with Soviet flown air support managed to turn the tide. It should also be pointed out that by the time the UN reached the Yalu, MacArthur has stretched his forces so thin that one rifle company was tasked for holding each mile of frontage. That's completely absurd. Even with the Chinese intervention, the UN managed to regain momentum, forcing the 1953 armistice. Make no mistake, the Chinese, Soviets, and North Koreans fully intended to occupy the entire South before signing the 1953 armistice.

Russia is stronger then Ukraine in terms of total overall military ability

For now. That gap is rapidly closing. Sooner rather than later Russia will simply run out of spare parts and mothballed hulks to cannibalize.

 

[Would]

Aiding a warring faction is only ok when the Good Guys(tm) do it!

 

[TETRABAX]

Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said on Tuesday that "I think that if I were North Korean military personnel management, I would be questioning my choices on sending my forces to be cannon fodder in an illegal war against Ukraine."

WTF even is an illegal war? Is that just any conflict the US doesn't like?

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Aiding a warring faction is only ok when the Good Guys(tm) do it!

Yeah no shit. The main difference here is that North Korea is planning on sending troops to help Russia, which started the fucking war by invading their neighbor.

 

[Ghost of Biden]

WTF even is an illegal war? Is that just any conflict the US doesn't like?

It’s a war of conquest. Scholars debate that the US have broken the same laws before.

 

[The best and greatest]

Vietnam was jungle warfare against rice farmers with AK-47s and the US managed to lose that war due to political pressures at home.

The way you frame this as "America losing to rice farmers with AKs" is either disingenuous or ignorance on your part.
Those AKs and jet fighters they received from the soviets were then-modern equipment that the Veitnamese used to absolutely lethal effect. Something often forgotten in America is just how much the VPAF blew the USAF the fuck out during the earliest years of the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rolling_Thunder

 

[A Cardboard Box]

WTF even is an illegal war? Is that just any conflict the US doesn't like?

There are rules for warfare, and what justifies an armed conflict. Russia invading their neighbor to conquer them is an illegal war started by an unjust action. Ukraine is fighting for the most just reason possible: someone came to their country to take it over.

 

[TETRABAX]

It’s a war of conquest. Scholars debate that the US have broken the same laws before.

Isn't that like every war? I mean the only other types of warfare I can think of is like religious/nationality genocide and maybe purely economic war

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Isn't that like every war? I mean the only other types of warfare I can think of is like religious/nationality genocide and maybe purely economic war

Hitler’s war was one of conquest. I hope that makes it clear. And the Russian-Ukraine war is purely economic, it has nothing to do with religion or nationality.

 

[TETRABAX]

There are rules for warfare, and what justifies an armed conflict. Russia invading their neighbor to conquer them is an illegal war started by an unjust action. Ukraine is fighting for the most just reason possible: someone came to their country to take it over.

I mean fighting back is fine and everything, but justification just feels like whatever the powers that be want it to be

 

[Ghost of Biden]

I mean fighting back is fine and everything, but justification just feels like whatever the powers that be want it to be

Winners write the laws. Losers obey them.

 

[TETRABAX]

Hitler’s war was one of conquest. I hope that makes it clear. And the Russian-Ukraine war is purely economic, it has nothing to do with religion or nationality.

Right but after WW2 Germany and Japan were both occupied by allied forces so was that not also conquest?
How much of the middle east has the west occupied and installed puppet governments in? As far as I can tell, every single active military campaign commits war crimes but there really aren't any consequences unless you lose. And honestly why wouldn't they commit war crimes, it's effective

 

[Ghost of Biden]

Right but after WW2 Germany and Japan were both occupied by allied forces so was that not also conquest?
How much of the middle east has the west occupied and installed puppet governments in? As far as I can tell, every single active military campaign commits war crimes but there really aren't any consequences unless you lose. And honestly why wouldn't they commit war crimes, it's effective

Scholars debate that the US have broken the same laws before.