Gypsies - A discussion on why they are the worst ethnic group

[a terminal posture]

I've been to the gypsy homelands (Romania - and by gypsy I mean a distinct people who originated in India, not Irish travelers and the like). I asked a Romanian guy about them, he said they are well-behaved in Romania because people they don't put up with their shit there. They really do stick out; even in a very phenotypically diverse country as Romania, you can spot them easily. I went to whole village of just gypsies. They were all poor like most of rural Romania. A couple of them tried to grift me which I rebuffed, not big deal. Still, you don't want these people in your country, everyone who leaves is leaving to scam hard.

 

[Rubick]

Great, you have literally cherrypicked every single place that's essentially still a current-day colony and entirely lives off of having pretty beaches and/or is a tax haven.

Also, The Dutch ABC-islands serve as a major drug hub for distribution and trade. Not to mention money laundering and a in between hub for forced latin prostitutes.

The police is well known to be incompetent and corrupt. It's the high ranking criminals there that are the once that are keeping a semblance of a clean house on the surface and low crime rate against tourists to not to ruïn a good thing.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Boos for Roma singer at Coldplay show in Bucharest reignite Romania's racism debate

https://archive.is/wip/OArAD

A tl;dr - Those poor, poor innocent Gypsies, and those hate filled bigoted evil Romanians.

PS: I have no idea WTF manele is and no interest in learning.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

If its one thing we as Europeans have in common, Is that we all hate Gypsies. Any group that had the misfortune to deal with a Gypsie will hate them.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

If its one thing we as Europeans have in common, Is that we all hate Gypsies. Any group that had the misfortune to deal with a Gypsie will hate them.

 

[frozen_runner]

Most ethnicities have no Nobel Prize winners. By that logic, the Sami people are also inferior subhumans because they've never won any Nobel Prizes.

The Australian aboriginals are traditionally a primitive people, just like the primitive tribes that exist in every New World country (and many Old World countries as well). Again, that's their culture. There are also white cultures that traditionally live in the same primitive manner - like, for example, the aforementioned Sami people.

If everything we are is the result of evolution (and that is fundamentally the case) due to differing environmental pressures, and the evolved trait of increased brain power is extremely demanding in terms of scarce environmental resources (caloric intake), and humans (after branching from our common ancestor(s)) all evolved over hundreds of thousands of years under vastly different evolutionary pressures in different environments with varying levels of resource scarcity... how in the world could all types of people have ended up with the exact same amount of brain power on average?

Intelligence is helpful in general for survival, yes, but it wouldn't be as helpful in all environments when considering the demanding resource maintenance requirements. (See: all thriving, non-human animals on the planet with their range of intelligence levels. They're doing fine.) And, remember, evolution does not move creatures towards perfection but merely towards fitness for their current environment. So why in the world wouldn't differences in IQ be a thing between different ethnicities when they evolved over long periods of time in very different environments?

I am happy to be wrong in my speculations here. And I am not someone who thinks intelligence is the main marker of a great person. The people in my life I admire most have not been the most intelligent people I have met. So I don't understand (at least fully) why people can't have this rational discussion about what almost certainly is another variation in traits among different ethnic groups. We can't deal with reality if we can't be honest.

 

[Doctor Love]

Tell me you’re a Guardian reader without telling me you’re a Guardian reader.

You voted for Tony Blair, man. You know literally nothing about the subcultures involved, yet feel the need to give an opinion. You're just as retarded as you were back in '97 yet you can't quite grasp it.

The travellers that leave the community, settle down, and actually become functioning members of society stop calling themselves travellers, and start just calling themselves Irish, and other travellers will disown them from their community. You cannot get a good traveller, because merely having the label requires you to be insufferable.

Yup. Plus, people who adopt the label to commit crime. A huge chunk of supposed gypsies are literally just English chavs in caravans. There's a surprising number of Irish Travellers - around 10,000 who are "travellers" including the English, and then 70,000 or so who are settled. Some choose different identities to compensate, like the Scots "Indigenous Travellers"

Most of the zoomers are actually educated similarly to other white Brits. We're not what the Blairite would have you believe - you can actually speak with some. Some, you are right, a lot of the older ones can't read. This is true of Brits, too, if you ever go on Facebook, and is more of a commentary on how poor literacy rates in the UK are.

Just remember, for the love of Christ, gypsies actually do have a history with overt discrimination. The press only publish the retarded ones. They do the same thing with all white people who complain. It's not "Oh, someone in a pub was rude" - it's because the police openly murder Travellers and are open about their contempt. Seriously, look at how many die in police custody from "brainstem injuries" - they would do the same to you, given the opportunity.

A Graun reader wouldn't defend Romanichal by saying they are better than those fresh off the boat Roma you can regularly see, from a mile away, shoving the entire contents of the Aldi and Lidl meat fridges down their skirts and into their bags. Not to their other Graun reading mates anyway.

The Romanichal are their own group, entirely. I'll go even further because you missed out the point and added petty crime into it. It's easy enough to think that it is limited to petty crime - no. English people have the benefit of scale, and Irish Travellers are not known for being peaceful - Roma targeted Romanichal because they were peaceful. They were easy targets - the Romanichal either got stabbed, robbed, had their Vardos burned for fun - and the state completely ignored it.

Leftist shit has a lot of blood on its hands. Romanichal are genuinely the sorts of people who you could punch with no consequences. They are not violent and genuinely only existed because the UK was accepting of them. They could not have existed in any other part of the world - like I said, it's like releasing a pitbull into a Labrador pen. They are not built for violence.

There isn't some "excuse" or "poverty" - it's sadistic violence, reinforced by the state. There is no "misunderstanding" between cultures - they had their lives completely destroyed, because they went in with the expectation that nobody was out to harm them.

 

[Doctor Love]

And, remember, evolution does not move creatures towards perfection but merely towards fitness for their current environment. So why in the world wouldn't differences in IQ be a thing between different ethnicities when they evolved over long periods of time in very different environments?

I am happy to be wrong in my speculations here. And I am not someone who thinks intelligence is the main marker of a great person. The people in my life I admire most have not been the most intelligent people I have met. So I don't understand (at least fully) why people can't have this rational discussion about what almost certainly is another variation in traits among different ethnic groups. We can't deal with reality if we can't be honest.

There isn't really a comparison since this thread is about, generally, gypsies - as in Roma - who are not really worth looking twice at. They don't have any "secret cool shit" like the Romanichal or the IT's, they are literally just gross.

Romanichal have a bunch of really nice, posh things - a lot of magician tricks, they used to be closer to "carnies" so they could do crazy tricks while standing on top of a horse. Like I said, they were a very popular, peaceful folk - very "mystical" and masters of their craft. They were never anything close to criminal, and they literally had no idea what to do when confronted with Roma.

Irish Travellers have a much more impressive history - where the unique culture has a crazy level of influence in a particular circumstance - the IRA in both major wars adopted the lifestyle. When an IRA member was "On the Run" and hiding from authorities, he would hide out with the pikeys. They were very skilled at identifying hideouts and had, potentially still have, a network of concealed hideouts across the UK.

So, if someone was on the run, they would take them along over to the next town, then dump them into a "safehouse", to be taken along with another group. Similar with the weapons - from what I've heard, the types of places include:

Disused buildings, with hidden rooms - for example, if it has a basement, the entire house will still be "abandoned" except for the basement. Likewise for factories and shit. Unlike most modern groups, ITs are really fucking good at staying hidden.

Bunkers and dugouts in the woods - some real Eastern Front Partisan shit lol

Construction containers and other industrial equipment, holes in the ground which you could park "on top of" to hide, there was a lot of sneaky shit - Irish Travellers were a full part of British society, so many were former military. They had fought in both world wars, and had a whole series of unique tactics. During the Troubles, the Army were trying to learn what they could about those methods, and then started training third world terrorists, badly, in the same methods.

It's genuinely worth doing, just for fun. Old-school manual tools are great in that they can be used relatively silently, and without a power source. Wire brushes, antique wood-fired steamers, the sort of tools which can still function off-grid. Pikeys are the ultimate partisan force, because that's the origin story. They're people who were first displaced by Oliver Cromwell and have been consistently dodging extremist governments for the last few centuries.

 

[Male Idiot]

Romanichals are where gypsies (never call them anything else, beside cigany) stole their name from, not the romans?

Still only libtard-retards call them Rome. They are gypsies, the worst human fecal matter India shat into the world. They are a pajeet's genetic refuse, the people who were so devolved even the jeets told them to get out.

They are called by skinheads as the millenia old Curse.

But aren't Irish travellers chavs, and these hobbit folk white too? Seems harsh to lump them in with gyppos who make pajeet look like an ubermench.

 

[latinlover]

Romanichals are where gypsies (never call them anything else, beside cigany) stole their name from, not the romans?

Still only libtard-retards call them Rome. They are gypsies, the worst human fecal matter India shat into the world. They are a pajeet's genetic refuse, the people who were so devolved even the jeets told them to get out.

They are called by skinheads as the millenia old Curse.

But aren't Irish travellers chavs, and these hobbit folk white too? Seems harsh to lump them in with gyppos who make pajeet look like an ubermench.

Roma is a word for 'man' in their language, that's where it comes from afaik.

The word "gypsy" relates to Egypt, although noone's certain about how exactly, the two major theories being them lying about where they came from and just saying Egypt instead of admitting they are from Punjab or whatever, and the other one being them coming from "Gyppe" (or 'Little Egypt'), a port town in Greece where pajeets arrived to the Balkans in the middle ages.

Fun fact: cigany (or zigeuner) also comes from Greek, from "athinganoi", meaning untouchables. Nice lil' throwback!

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Gypsies are the closest thing to "human waste". They can't be redeemed.

They actually take pride in being an horrible burden to society. Anyone who thinks they can improve or civilized gypsies in any way is a dumb mothetfucker. If it weren't because of wellfare they wouldn't even name their own kids.

 

[Hamsteroid]

Fun fact: cigany (or zigeuner) also comes from Greek, from "athinganoi", meaning untouchables. Nice lil' throwback!

I always thought the German Zigeuner came from (umher)ziehende Gauner (roving crooks)

 

[Male Idiot]

Roma is a word for 'man' in their language, that's where it comes from afaik.

The word "gypsy" relates to Egypt, although noone's certain about how exactly, the two major theories being them lying about where they came from and just saying Egypt instead of admitting they are from Punjab or whatever, and the other one being them coming from "Gyppe" (or 'Little Egypt'), a port town in Greece where pajeets arrived to the Balkans in the middle ages.

Fun fact: cigany (or zigeuner) also comes from Greek, from "athinganoi", meaning untouchables. Nice lil' throwback!

Isn't their word for a man manus or murs?

https://mek.oszk.hu/00000/00080/html/index.htm

Here is a gypsy dictionary for the lols, from the hungarian national library. Lord is raj.

They were the untouchables of the untouchable caste in India.

I think they stole it from the irish hobbits. They steal even their names, a kangery to suprass Egyptian Wewuz.

 

[Doctor Love]

Romanichals are where gypsies (never call them anything else, beside cigany) stole their name from, not the romans?

Still only libtard-retards call them Rome. They are gypsies, the worst human fecal matter India shat into the world. They are a pajeet's genetic refuse, the people who were so devolved even the jeets told them to get out.

They are called by skinheads as the millenia old Curse.

But aren't Irish travellers chavs, and these hobbit folk white too? Seems harsh to lump them in with gyppos who make pajeet look like an ubermench.

So - back in ye olden days, Roma moved to the UK. Unlike the rest of Europe, these were either inherently "nicer" or it was a result of development over time - they were one of the few groups permitted to trade openly on "Feudal properties" - think, big manor houses, Lords of the Land, etc. So they developed to be more like... well, Jews, since they were the only group able to trade in luxury goods for a while.





This is what the inside of those Vardos looked like. They were skilled craftsmen and traders, specialising in luxury goods and precious metals. Gold and silver, not copper stolen from an air conditioner. Like a really high-end carnival kind of deal. Since they look white, too it seems more likely that over time, they just interbred with the locals and became a predominantly English subculture.

Since they were "technically" Roma, they were forced together with the European Roma. "Community violence" is how it was reported, but in reality, the Roma just wiped them out, stole all the valuables and the state essentially betrayed the natives for foreigners. They completely refused to consider that, maybe, the indigenous ones who have been here for a really fucking long time were not the same as an unemployed ex-con from Hungary.

Irish Travellers are a sub-group of generic British, but predominantly Irish. Chavs are chavs in general - I won't condone the behaviour, but the current "Caravan Club" are essentially the "Underclass", in the same way that English chavs are. Except unlike English chavs, they're much more mobile.

My ancestry is Irish Traveller, not Romanichal. I just feel really bad for the Romanichal. I know full-well why "my people" behave like they do - while most are actually integrated into British society, there is a group who have been "permanently on the move" for 50 years or so. Of those, it's a handful of families who cause pretty much all of the havoc. Whenever you read ten stories about Irish Travellers, you'll see the same exact guys popping up repeatedly.

There are occasional attempts to use new terms or renew the "traditional" groups, like with the Scots - "Indigenous Highland/Gaelic Travellers" - but the government is blatantly hostile to anything which doesn't involve real-estate investments.

 

[latinlover]

Isn't their word for a man manus or murs?
https://mek.oszk.hu/00000/00080/html/index.htm Here is a gypsy dictionary for the lols, from the hungarian national library. Lord is raj.

I should have clarified- 'rom' refers specifically to 'gypsy man', as in they wouldn't refer to whitey or a somalian man as 'rom', manus is what they would use in this case I guess. The source you linked refers to 'man' and 'woman' as 'gypsy [man]' and 'gypsy woman' as a definition to rom and the word derived from it.

I always thought the German Zigeuner came from (umher)ziehende Gauner (roving crooks)

Interesting, I've never heard of this, but I'd say it's probably more of a German pun than the origin. I think this is a decent article regarding the words' etimology. Seeing as a lot of languages have a similar word for them I doubt it's derived from the german one.
A couple examples: french 'gitan', hungarian 'cigány', icelandic 'sígauna', spanish 'gitano', romanian 'ţigan', etc. etc., all seemingly born out of the original greek one.

 

[Doctor Love]

The word "gypsy" relates to Egypt, although noone's certain about how exactly, the two major theories being them lying about where they came from and just saying Egypt

Actually, this should help @Male Idiot comprehend how fucking atrocious these events were.

Gypsy is the English word - Egypt was just about becoming known as an ancient empire of mystery and wealth, so they were referred to as "Egyptian Traders" because of the "Egyptian goods" they were selling.

Gypsy as an offensive term was invented by the European Roma.

Irish Travellers see it as generally inoffensive, because Romanichal were well-liked. It refers to Romanichal, because of their, again, precious metals. You can check this one with history - Roma didn't really do gold up until very recently.

They literally stole the earrings out of Romanichal women's ears.

Most of the gypsies were originally removed under the "Egyptians Acts" in the 16th century, and some remained. Eventually, the ones who remained were well-behaved and became their own group.

Time-wise, the Romanichal were nearly 500 years separated from other Roma. Following World War II, more European Roma came to Britain and they were not very nice to the Romanichal. Now, there's very few Romanichal left.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But aren't Irish travellers chavs, and these hobbit folk white too? Seems harsh to lump them in with gyppos who make pajeet look like an ubermench.

Whatever travellers were, what they are now is scum.

 

[Doctor Love]

Whatever travellers were, what they are now is scum.

It goes along two lines.

It's just as legitimate, for me, to say that whatever the caravan club is doing isn't "genuine" - and it isn't, they are a divergence and I can say that they're the ones who abandoned the "real" culture - and they will say the same for someone like me - but honestly, the real problem comes from an unwillingness for a lot of people to address the problem themselves.

The only reason they get away with anything is because Brits are too willing to turn on each-other at the first opportunity. Literally any level of "dissuasion" will keep shit out of your area - because they will move on to somewhere less hostile. Even "minor" annoyances - but if you set off fireworks at 2am, who's going to ring the police? Is it the gypsies? Or is it some do-gooder neighbour?

 

[Male Idiot]

This is all good deep gyppo lore.

Them being called untouchable by the greeks is a surprise but I am not shocked. I just thought they left India much later than to steal Eris's golden apple.

 

[Doctor Love]

This is all good deep gyppo lore.

Well, you're not a Bong, and like all Europeans, seem to struggle with the concept - but I will explain a bit more about IT's.

Irish Travellers are Gaelic Nomads - Gaels are the natives of Ireland and the outer reaches of Britain. Gaels had a history of nomads - it was just something most people did at some point. During the various genocides, thanks to the English, some of those became permanently nomadic - as a way of surviving. IT's are sometimes referred to as an ethnic group, separate from other British natives, because of that. As such, it's one of the smallest in Europe with a total number of up to like, 70,000.

I'm an endangered species, so you have to be nice to me.

In modern Britain, we're the only ones who it's okay to discriminate openly against. The reality is that they would love to treat English people the same way, there's just millions more of them and it's a lot harder.

There's a lot of naivety, since Brits have always had "scale" on their side. There's 45 million English, 3 million Welsh, 5 million Scots, 5 million Irish, and then 10 million third-world foreigners stacked on top of that.

Then, way down the list, there's Irish Travellers - right below Iraqi immigrants, in terms of total numbers. As you can guess, I have some very strong feelings about this.