KR North Korean troops will become 'cannon fodder' if they aid Russia in Ukraine, Pentagon says - 영광스러운 지도자를 위해 죽으라.

Sinéad Baker Article
Jun 26, 2024, 6:24 AM CDT
North Korean troops that are sent to Ukraine to aid in Russia's war would become "cannon fodder," the Pentagon said.

Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said on Tuesday that "I think that if I were North Korean military personnel management, I would be questioning my choices on sending my forces to be cannon fodder in an illegal war against Ukraine."

Ryder was responding to a question about North Korea potentially dispatching army engineering units to Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, which is occupied by Russia.
According to South Korea's TV Chosun, citing a South Korean government official and referenced by Reuters, North Korea is planning to send construction and engineering forces to occupied Ukraine as soon as next month for rebuilding work.

Earlier this month, Russia and North Korea signed a pact agreeing to give each other military assistance if the other is attacked.

Countries including the US and Japan condemned the move, with South Korea saying it was considering sending weapons to Ukraine as a result. South Korea's president described the pact as a threat to his nation's security.

Ryder described North Korea potentially sending military forces to Russia as "certainly something to keep an eye on," and hinted at the high number of Russian casualties throughout the war.

The UK Ministry of Defence said at the end of May that the total number of killed or wounded Russian soldiers since February 2022 was around 500,000.

It also said that the average daily number of Russian personnel casualties in May was over 1,200.

Russia is known for treating its own troops as highly disposable.

This includes through using "meat wave" tactics, where it sends waves of poorly trained and unsupported soldiers toward Ukrainian positions to try to overwhelm them.

A Russian soldier who plans offensives said this month that he has to send men forward knowing they will likely die, but doesn't tell them how low their chances of survival are.

"I can't tell the men, otherwise they wouldn't fight with the hope of winning," he said.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Which side of the Northern Ireland conflict do you think I'm on, exactly?

The side that lets you steal copper?

 

[Doctor Love]

The side that lets you steal copper?

Stealing copper is a duty if you're occupied by foreigners.

 

[gamer2014]

So Russia have run out of Buryats and other "Russian/not russian" soldiers to sent to the meat grinder then.

North Korean defectors will be at an all time high, if this goes ahead.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

They're not as bad, since they can actually be plugged up. There is a conscious effort to make nuclear weapons seem clean. They are not clean, not even remotely. Neither fission nor fusion - they're powerful enough that they destabilise the atoms of nearby molecules - once that reaction goes off, you end up with fallout.

Not only that, but particulate carcinogens from fire - the flash-pyrolisation of thousands of square kilometers of houses, trees, animals and foliage produces the sort of cyanides and shit which will never fucking decay.

Seriously - once that flash goes off, it starts chains of worse chemical reactions than you could dream of. The atmosphere is normally stable - O2 and N2 are pretty stable like that (O2 doesn't just split off into Ozone without good reason) - but for as far as the eye can see, billions of tonnes of air, water and earth get lifted up and combined into a toxic dreck. Cyanide, hydrazine, phosgene - shit which you will not usually come into contact with unless you really fucked with the wrong guy.

There's no "good side" to nuclear weapons.

If the fireball doesn't touch the ground you get almost no fallout.

Modern nukes are set to airburst at an altitude greater than the fireball diameter.

Nukes let a single missile or bomb destroy a city sized target.

The style of fighting you describe was only possible in an environment that permits the massing of men to attack, one where your enemy can't call Broken Arrow for example. We fight fine.

Exactly

The Soviets were sending them their top-tier shit. Whenever we managed to counter the SA-2 Guideline they'd ship the NVA upgraded models right from the factory. Vietnam was also the combat debut of a lot of relatively new equipment like Malyutka and the PT-76. The MiG-21 was also the USSR's frontline interceptor at the time. "Rice farmers with AK's" the NVA was not.

Yep although they didn't get the Sukhoi attack jets or the SA-3 the moment it became available.

The VPAF was 98% air to air focused.

Hilariously, despite it being 1945 the German PoW's are still shit talking the victorious Americans, claiming that they don't know how to fight and think war is just some sporting event. Naturally, the machine gunners are also pissed that we're sneaking around their firing angles to flank them instead of just running into their firing lines to get cut down.

Yep. They were super asshurt about American material superiority.

So Russia have run out of Buryats and other "Russian/not russian" soldiers to sent to the meat grinder then.

North Korean defectors will be at an all time high, if this goes ahead.

Not really. The pay for a year in Ukraine is fucking amazing by Russian standards they still have a shitload of men signing up, usually 30-50 year olds. The Norks will be used as construction troops and as maybe volunteers on the frontlines.

Look at the telegram channel "Russianocontext" for some look at the troops that are going into Ukraine at the moment. Yeah it's probably a Ukrainian propoganda channel but it's not bullshit either.

https://t.me/russianocontext/3690?single

 

[Doctor Love]

f the fireball doesn't touch the ground you get almost no fallout.

Modern nukes are set to airburst at an altitude greater than the fireball diameter.

Nukes let a single missile or bomb destroy a city sized target.

No, they absolutely do not. This is a complete fabrication. I wasn't misunderstanding this.

It's not your fault, this is the sort of shit which they went to great lengths to cover up. Look at the cancer rates amongst former servicemembers, and look closely. Look at how many cancers are nothing to do with the fallout - the ones which occur after months or decades. It's not just the radiation.

There's nothing that will "destroy a city" and have no side effect. That's just impossible. What happens when you throw superheated nitrogen and oxygen into water, Earth, concrete, steel - you get a congealed mass of high-energy reactants which just make all sorts of crazy shit. Millions of tons of glass-like shards for everyone to breath in, with bits of cyanide, heavy metals, acids, toxic gases and, yes, some isotopes. And that shit will go far - the heat just vapourises everything, and it'll take its time to condense into a toxic asbestos-like dust that will fuck everything up for years.

What a well-built fusion bomb doesn't release in isotopes, it throws out in toxic sludge - which is way fucking worse.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

If you think that's a gnarly, brutal name wait until you read up on Operation Starvation.

Ah yes, this was then followed by Operation Chink Genocide and Operation Murder all Slanty eyed faggots.

 

[The best and greatest]

No, they absolutely do not. This is a complete fabrication. I wasn't misunderstanding this.

It's not your fault, this is the sort of shit which they went to great lengths to cover up. Look at the cancer rates amongst former servicemembers, and look closely. Look at how many cancers are nothing to do with the fallout - the ones which occur after months or decades. It's not just the radiation.

There's nothing that will "destroy a city" and have no side effect. That's just impossible. What happens when you throw superheated nitrogen and oxygen into water, Earth, concrete, steel - you get a congealed mass of high-energy reactants which just make all sorts of crazy shit. Millions of tons of glass-like shards for everyone to breath in, with bits of cyanide, heavy metals, acids, toxic gases and, yes, some isotopes. And that shit will go far - the heat just vapourises everything, and it'll take its time to condense into a toxic asbestos-like dust that will fuck everything up for years.

What a well-built fusion bomb doesn't release in isotopes, it throws out in toxic sludge - which is way fucking worse.

TLDR: Just use rods from god instead

 

[Snekposter]

Ah yes, this was then followed by Operation Chink Genocide and Operation Murder all Slanty eyed faggots.

Seoul has fallen. Millions must die.

 

[Doctor Love]

TLDR: Just use rods from god instead

Just use smallpox. It's eco friendly.

 

[The best and greatest]

Just use smallpox. It's eco friendly.

Not dramatic enough. How about some black death instead?

 

[Doctor Love]

Not dramatic enough. How about some black death instead?

That works, too, but you've got the experience with smallpox. Though you did hire the guys who weaponised the plague, too.

Just make sure you don't go salting the Earth.

 

[The best and greatest]

Just make sure you don't go salting the Earth.

Well of course not! If we salted the earth it wouldn't make for very good living space now would it?

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

No, they absolutely do not. This is a complete fabrication. I wasn't misunderstanding this.

It's not your fault, this is the sort of shit which they went to great lengths to cover up. Look at the cancer rates amongst former servicemembers, and look closely. Look at how many cancers are nothing to do with the fallout - the ones which occur after months or decades. It's not just the radiation.

There's nothing that will "destroy a city" and have no side effect. That's just impossible. What happens when you throw superheated nitrogen and oxygen into water, Earth, concrete, steel - you get a congealed mass of high-energy reactants which just make all sorts of crazy shit. Millions of tons of glass-like shards for everyone to breath in, with bits of cyanide, heavy metals, acids, toxic gases and, yes, some isotopes. And that shit will go far - the heat just vapourises everything, and it'll take its time to condense into a toxic asbestos-like dust that will fuck everything up for years.

What a well-built fusion bomb doesn't release in isotopes, it throws out in toxic sludge - which is way fucking worse.

Meanwhile Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't dens of 3 armed one eyed mutants sooo.....

Granted those were rather small by today's standards but well within the capabilities of N. Korea and probably Iran (in the next 6-12 months)

 

[Doctor Love]

Meanwhile Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't dens of 3 armed one eyed mutants sooo.....

Dude. They had to dump concrete over everything - the city is way above what it was, in terms of sheer altitude.

And yes, there were tonnes of mutants.

Also, side-track, The Hills Have Eyes is probably real - in that there is a non-zero chance that small towns in the USA were annihilated by the bombs and their fallout. Maybe they are, now, cannibalistic mutants - who knows.

 

[LeChampion1992]

North Korea wave attacks almost won the Korean War. It was enough for United nation and United states forces to back off invading the north.

You're thinking of the Chinese and their human wave attacks. The north Koreans literally attacked first because we demiliterized the souths dictatorship.
The north only did well Initially due to just surprise and Russian ww2 equipment. Once the United nations joined that advantage went out the windows. It was only because China and Russia backed north Korea and China spent over several million lives that north Korea ended up being communist.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Ah yes, this was then followed by Operation Chink Genocide and Operation Murder all Slanty eyed faggots.

No, next was Operation Nuke the Nips. McArthur wanted to go ahead with Operation Glass the Gooks but Truman wouldn't let him.

 

[Snekposter]

No, next was Operation Nuke the Nips. McArthur wanted to go ahead with Operation Glass the Gooks but Truman wouldn't let him.

But Operation Nuke the Nips was how we ended WW2. Are you saying we reused the name for something?

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

IIRC MacArthur's plan wasn't to completely wipe North Korea off the map, but rather to use small nuclear weapons tactically along the NK/Chinese border to prevent the Chinese troops from infiltrating. The idea was basically "We're the only country on the planet that (currently) has these kinds of weapons -- so don't fuck with us.", as opposed to "Billions of chinks must die." Mind you, this was before intercontinental ballistic missiles, mutual-assured destruction, or H-bombs. This was at a point in time in which a small nuclear strike could have occurred without the possibility of a likewise retaliation resulting in WW3/nuclear armageddon.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

But Operation Nuke the Nips was how we ended WW2. Are you saying we reused the name for something?

Oh, sorry about the confusion. I meant Nuke the Nips was after Starve the Slopes ended in April 1945, not after Chink Genocide.

 

[Snekposter]

Oh, sorry about the confusion. I meant Nuke the Nips was after Starve the Slopes ended in April 1945, not after Chink Genocide.

Ah, right, right.