US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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Biden’s debate performance spurs Democratic panic about his ability to lead party against Trump
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Steve Peoples and Zeke Miller
2024-06-28 11:51:12GMT
ATLANTA (AP) — Above all, Joe Biden’s allies wanted him to demonstrate strength and energy on the debate stage to help put to rest questions about the 81-year-old Democrat’s physical and mental acuity.

But on the biggest stage in U.S. politics on Thursday night, Biden did not meet their modest expectations.

And by the end of the 90-minute showdown, the Democratic president’s allies — party strategists and rank-and-file voters alike — descended into all-out panic following a debate performance punctuated by repeated stumbles, uncomfortable pauses, and a quiet speaking style that was often difficult to understand. Publicly and privately, Democrats questioned whether the party could or should replace him as the party’s presidential nominee against the 78-year-old Republican former President Donald Trump this fall.

“I’m not the only one whose heart is breaking right now. There’s a lot of people who watched this tonight and felt terribly for Joe Biden,” former Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill said on MSNBC. “I don’t know if things can be done to fix this.”

For now, the biggest question for Biden is whether the damage is permanent. Many voters have not yet tuned into an election that’s still more than four months away. The president and his allies are sitting on millions of dollars that have yet to be spent on advertising and swing state infrastructure. And there’s precedent for recovering from rough debate performances, including Barack Obama’s rebound from an uneven encounter with Mitt Romney in 2012. Democrat John Fetterman went on to defeat a Republican rival in 2022 after struggling through a debate several months after experiencing a stroke.

Biden’s gamble
Biden’s 2024 reelection campaign was always based on a gamble that voters would ultimately support an 81-year-old lifelong politician with weak approval ratings in a rematch that few Americans want. Despite such liabilities, Biden’s team insisted that he was uniquely positioned to stop Trump from returning to the White House — just as he did four years ago.

They have long predicted that Biden’s winning political coalition would eventually embrace the Democratic president after being sufficiently reminded of Trump’s chaotic leadership. But there were little signs of such confidence in the wake of Biden’s underwhelming debate performance.

“It was a slow start. That’s obvious to everyone. I’m not going to debate that point,” Vice President Kamala Harris said on CNN after the debate. “I’m talking about the choice in November. I’m talking about one of the most important elections in our collective lifetime.”

Biden’s surrogates were slow to enter the post-debate spin room in Atlanta. And when they finally emerged, they largely avoided questions from the press. Instead, they railed against Trump’s long list of falsehoods during the debate. Among other things, Trump didn’t disavow those who attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a potential future presidential candidate who was Biden’s most prominent surrogate in the Atlanta spin room, urged Democrats not to panic.

“I think it’s unhelpful. And I think it’s unnecessary. We’ve got to go in, we’ve got to keep our heads high,” Newsom said in an interview on MSNBC. “We’ve got to have the back of this president. You don’t turn back because of one performance. What kind of party does that?”

Signs of anxiety
Still, signs of anxiety were apparent as Democrats began to openly encourage the party to find an alternative to Biden. Some party officials pointed to a social media post from former Obama campaign aide Ravi Gupta.

“Every Democrat I know is texting that this is bad,” Gupta wrote on X. “Just say it publicly and begin the hard work of creating space in the convention for a selection process. I’ll vote for a corpse over Trump, but this is a suicide mission.”

Under current Democratic Party rules, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to replace Biden as the party’s nominee without his cooperation or without the party officials being willing to rewrite its rules at the August national convention.

The president won the overwhelming majority of Democratic delegates during the state-by-state primary process. And party rules state, “Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.”

But DNC rules don’t have the same strict “faithless delegate” rules that the RNC does, which ignore votes against in violation of a delegate’s pledged position.

Republicans, meanwhile, were giddy about Biden’s lackluster performance. But Trump’s co-campaign chief dismissed chatter about whether Democrats would try to nominate someone other than Biden.

“There’s so many political experts on X, so we’ll hear a lot from them, I’m sure, in the next few days because they’ve all run so many campaigns,” Chris LaCivita said sarcastically. “But the only way that happens is if Joe Biden voluntarily steps down, and he’s not going to do that.”

Thursday’s debate may be imprinted on voters’ minds for the foreseeable future with Biden and Trump not scheduled to meet on the debate stage again for another 75 days.

LaCavita said Trump would be at the next debate “with bells on.” Biden campaign spokesman Kevin Munoz confirmed that Biden would also attend the rematch.

But privately, Biden advisers suggested that the campaign was never going to be won or lost in one rally, conversation or debate. They pointed to plans to maintain an aggressive schedule in the weeks and months ahead.

On Friday, Biden was scheduled to campaign in North Carolina while Harris was in Nevada.

Still, Biden supporters struggled to find any hope in the immediate aftermath of the debate.

“That was the worst performance in the history of televised presidential debates,” Tim Miller, a former Republican strategist-turned ardent Biden supporter, said in the spin room, shaking his head in disbelief.
 
It’s too bad it wasn’t two term generally well liked Vice President Joe Biden’s turn to run for the Democrats in 2016. If that year had been his turn, Democrats would have probably just beaten Trump and we wouldn’t now live in a clown world. Biden could have run for his second term in 2020 against the most bland conventional Republican of all time. Oh well it was the secretary of state’s turn for some reason.
Hillary was supposed to be President in 2008. Then some nigger name Barry came along and she was forced to drop out due to optics. And Obama being more popular and not as corrosive, personality wise. Obama, the DNC, and Hillary made a deal that she would be the next president after Barry ended his term. She even got her people in the DNC. And awarded the then head with the VP position.

But then Trump had to come in and ruin things. Per hillary.
 
The normies are now asking questions about Nancy Pelosi and J6, the Russia hoax, inflation, Afghanistan. Seems like the DNC just completely destroyed any illusion of credibility left. There is no way they can walk back the “footage of Joe Biden is cheap fakes!” gaslighting attempt anymore. They are so fucked.
 
It amazes me some people think this debate was all a coordinated conspiracy to replace Biden. What we're seeing is not people with a plan. This is pure panic.
I think there's definitely a major faction who are actively using whatever means they have to get him replaced. I've thought that since the Justice Department outright said Biden is mentally incompetent to stand trial. They didn't even try to sugar coat it, just "yeah, he's guilty but too braindead to convict". Not the usual circling of the wagons you get with any normal Democrat criminality.

It's also possible some of that faction are also in the White House, and maybe even on his campaign team. I'd say the debate performance is mostly just him being too far gone at this point for even drugs to help, but I wouldn't put it past someone on his team to insist he get uppers right at the start of the debate, intentionally to undermine him.

But the main factor here is probably just Trump insisting they have to stand for the debate. He let Hillary sit at one of their debates, and lorded over her by 2 feet as he walked around, getting all sorts of pissed off articles from the MSM about it. But he wanted Biden to have to stand for ninety minutes. Biden looked much worse after the last ad break; they probably had him sit down for a moment, then getting back up just destroyed whatever energy he had left.

I'm just shocked his handlers didn't give him whatever cocktail they used on him during the SOTU. Crazy as Bug-eyed Joe ranting at 900mph was, he couldn't have been worse than this Squinty-eyed Joe ranting about Agent Orange and slurring his way through every sentence.
 
Notable: this is the earliest Presidential debate (not primary) ever. Giving them more time to deal with the fallout.
My thought is they wanted Joe to do this so they can convince the other democrats that the incumbent is maybe not the best choice for the DNC. I don't think even the Republicans have nominated Trump yet either.
 
That, or they're banking on being able to say they did (technically) debate Trump, but it was so long ago it doesn't really stand in the voter's mind 5 months from now
No, this one's gonna stick.

The bell is not gonna be un-rung in anyone's mind.

Biden could come out today looking hale and hearty, but everyone who has dealt with old people knows that they have ups and downs, and this down was VERY down.

"We beat Medicare."

"Young women are getting raped by their inlaws, their spouses, their brothers and sisters."

My nigga Biden was asked about abortion and he pivoted straight to... illegal immigrants killing people.

Unmitigated disaster.
 
These are not very smart people.

Thing is, I'm not even sure I agree that this was a calculated attempt by CNN to get Biden removed. I think that CNN and Biden's people really are just that stupid that they think this wouldn't be the inevitable result
They were meticulously making sure there'd be nothing the damn dirty Deplorables could pounce on. The Potemkin President himself blew it all up.
 
These are not very smart people.

Thing is, I'm not even sure I agree that this was a calculated attempt by CNN to get Biden removed. I think that CNN and Biden's people really are just that stupid that they think this wouldn't be the inevitable result
Nah, I’m like 99% sure it’s a calculated attempt by CNN. Why else would they throw up a million red flags before the debate implying they will do everything in their power to cover for Biden, and then proceed to not do that? They literally had all the power there, nobody could’ve stopped them. This suggests the red flags weren’t for us, they were to lull Biden’s team into a false sense of security that the debate would be a safe space where Biden would be coddled and it would basically be Trump debating the moderator.
 
No, this one's gonna stick.

The bell is not gonna be un-rung in anyone's mind.

Biden could come out today looking hale and hearty, but everyone who has dealt with old people knows that they have ups and downs, and this down was VERY down.

"We beat Medicare."

"Young women are getting raped by their inlaws, their spouses, their brothers and sisters."

My nigga Biden was asked about abortion and he pivoted straight to... illegal immigrants killing people.

Unmitigated disaster.
Holding the debate at 9:00 PM also struck me as bizarre. Biden would be sundowning real hard, they had to know that.
 
The 180 degree bootlegger turn from "cheapfakes" to "Joe needs to step down" just broke a lot of necks on the left.

That was some hard whiplash.

Inaction on GOP's Biden 'cheapfakes' will cost us our democracy...
The Hill
4 days ago — Republicans don't care, because these cheapfake videos are a money-making hit, click-bait supreme in the conservative media's echo chamber.

That was just 4 days ago.

Not even a week ago, they were gaslighting us with "Reports of Joe Biden's cognitive decline are cgi-generated false flag GOP psyops!"

And then everybody saw Joe live and for reals last night and went "Holy shit! It's so much worse than even that."

A lotta necks went *Snap!*
 
I'm racking my brains trying to think of possible people that the DNC could try to rally around at an open convention that has a _remote_ possibility of beating Trump.
Is it even a smart idea to do that at this point? For four years, the Democrats have been bitching about Our Democracy™ just to have a quasi-Gerald Ford scenario where the popular vote of the Democratic primary is completely wiped out in favor of a candidate no one wanted or voted for. In order to keep consistency, if neither Biden nor Harris became president, then Dean Phillips would be the person to run.
 
Kasie Hunt - or KUNT for short. Death to the 4th Estate Media and the Yahvist State. From the London Jews coming here for the Oil and Gold booms, to the 1913 FED ponzi, to 1933's Gold confiscation, to 1965's nigger society agenda, to 1971's removal from Gold backing and enriching of China with our factories, to the 1980s mexican infestation, to 911 and the Jewish border expansion project, to puppet Obongo and the death of Smith-Mundt, to the invader crisis, to now. Americanda is done.
 
Aren’t the debates usually held at night, when most Americans could actually be at home watching live?
Right, it also guarantees maximum coverage nationwide since only the time zones furthest West will show it during the regular workday. Whether or not the President is sundowning at the time is not generally a consideration.
 
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