US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

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From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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So what happens now?
They run Biden and try to cheat,or they try to find a new candidate?
He's insisting he's not dropping out. Normally that would mean he's dropping out tomorrow, but old people are stubborn and he believes he's been owed a presidency for 30 years. He's kind of a reverse Howard Taft, who didn't want to be president.

What you should be watching out for is the party changing their bylaws (i.e. adding a whole bunch of superdelegates or something).

The dems have already been flaunting deadlines to get any candidate on the ballot in some places, like Ohio. This makes things even more messed up.
 
Can the democrats even get someone else on the ballot on time if Biden drops out? I thought some states deadlines were already up lol
No, they can't, it's too late in those states.

Worse, any politician that replaces Biden is sacrificing his/her career, since they WILL lose in November barring significant higher order fuckery. Can you think of anyone in the Dem party willing to sacrifice their power and wealth for the good of the party? Clinton won't. Michael Obama won't. Bernie won't. Who else could it be? It can't be white or male, the progressive wing believes they race and gender retconned the position and thus the left can never run a white male for the position again.

Their plan is probably to jail Trump in 2 weeks and pray this gives their GOPe pets enough power to get rid of Trump somehow, even though (intentionally because) it will destroy the GOP's chances for the next 10+ years. If both parties are in complete shambles then it's a board reset, try again later. Plus that would be the least disruptive / most aligned with the planned destruction of America and the massive amount of wealth transfer out of the country they're doing.
 
So what happens now?
They run Biden and try to cheat,or they try to find a new candidate?
The options I see happening:
-keep Biden, lose horribly
-pull the 25th on Biden, install Harris, lose horribly
-switch Biden out as candidate, lose horribly
-keep Biden, rig the election again, "win" and quite possibly spark Civil War II
 
What’s interesting to me is the media switch. From no mention at all of Biden being demented to suddenly talking about it in great detail.
We call this a reverse ferret,

It's hardly surprising for those Orwellian clowns to claim that we've always been at war with East Asia. I'm more shocked that they just didn't double down and pretend that Biden did a great job and even won despite having to debate with a cold, blah, blah, blah. If their viewers didn't believe that Biden was a demented wreck already, they would have gladly swallowed the lie and continued to parrot it themselves.

Do these people not realize that they look ridiculous having done such an about face. How can they say this now after having denied it for years? Were they all just lying to themselves and everyone else or were they that ignorant? I'm sure that there will be absolutely no critical self-reflection at any point, but how much more cognitive dissonance can they pile on?

The next debate is scheduled until September, but it's not like Biden is going to be less of a mush brain a few months from now. The news media obviously can't keep writing articles about why Joe should drop out, because at some point they're going to realize that it ruins any chance of him winning. But they can't go back to saying that he's a great choice and fit for office now either, which is why I'm surprised they just didn't keep on lying and pretending that everything is fine.
 
-pull the 25th on Biden, install Harris, lose horribly
-switch Biden out as candidate, lose horribly
Both impossible, unless Biden actually drops dead
-keep Biden, rig the election again, "win" and quite possibly spark Civil War II
May be impossible now. It really depends how many people show up for Trump, and how many people don't show up for Biden/go third party
 
What are the chances Biden survives to September?
His ability to hang on is the only admirable thing about him. I was surprised he made it to his first election and have been progressively more shocked he makes it through each year until about now. Now I'm convinced they've got some medical technology keeping him alive they won't reveal for the plebs for another 50 years and they'll keep him alive as long as it's convenient. They just need to keep him alive and out of the spotlight as long as he's useful to them. It may seem stupid from our perspective as voters, but keeping him in office is valuable. For influential people in China, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia and a few others, "Biden" is a trusted brand for all kinds of influence, money laundering, arms sales, and many different forms of crime and corruption.
 
The big thing is that, now, the cheapfake excuse, and most of the other excuses, have been utterly atomised. They can no longer say by default that any video of bumbling biden is surreptitiously edited or whateverr they're saying now.
Trump tends to reclaim these so I can’t wait for him to say every video of coherent, sharp Biden is a surreptitiously edited cheapfake.
 
The reaction (meltdown) and fallout by the media and dem elites is like a mini 2016 election night.

Holy shit was that a disaster for Biden. He once again couldn't even leave the stage and then room without help. This is exactly what was expected of Biden though, to anyone paying attention to his state. Still though, i thought they would at least come up with something to mask things at least a little bit. It was a bloodbath though!

Am i the only one who couldn't help but feel bad for Biden? He's been gone since well before getting elected. This shit just feels like elder abuse.
 
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Alternatively imagine you had been covering for him this entire time. Maybe you thought he could pull it together occasionally when popped up and prepped. Now you realize he can't be. Its better to rip the plug out now.
That is the life of being a democrat. They tell you something is true. You tell your friends it’s true and call them idiots when they disagree. Reality eventually arrives. Repeat until you get sick of Democrats embarrassing you in front of your friends.

I think a lot of democrats only remain democrats because they have way too much ego sunk cost into this. It’s hard to admit you were wrong, and were really smug about it when you thought you were right. Imagine that is your entire political life.

It’s okay. This kind of thing happens to everyone. Dishonesty is toxic, we all experience it. Democratic politicians are highly trained professional liars. But stop now. Stop treating people as enemies because Democrats told you they are your enemies. You can’t trust anything Democrats say you can’t independently verify. Start being a reality based community again instead of a Twitter based one.
 
So what happens now?
They run Biden and try to cheat,or they try to find a new candidate?
Whatever happens it is going to be funny to watch.

They could drop Biden and go into an open convention and pick someone else, and that would be funny since lots of different factions want different things.
For all his flaws and his demented brain, he DID keep the party together and they all (unwillingly) had to unite behind him, even the progressives.

Right now it seems all the young and energetic leftist activists are all focusing on Palestine. It would be super funny if they very loudly and disruptive try to push "the candidate must be pro palestine and end the genocide".

Progressives, turn the open convention into a conference about Palestine. And call everyone that don't want to sanction Israel nazis. Do it progressives. I am counting on you.
 
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Thi whole debate feels like it was all set up by the DNC establishment to get an excuse to dump Biden. Stubborn old fuck never seemed to get the hint so they gave him this public humiliation.
I've seen some gaming out of that scenario by coping leftists, and it's not gelling for me.

If they really wanted to throw him under the bus, there were a lot of ways to do it that would be a gentle snowball rolling downhill and not like


And of course Obama was asking for my $5 before the video. It's usually Biden wanting to cut the malarkey.
 
Worse, any politician that replaces Biden is sacrificing his/her career, since they WILL lose in November barring significant higher order fuckery. Can you think of anyone in the Dem party willing to sacrifice their power and wealth for the good of the party? Clinton won't. Michael Obama won't. Bernie won't. Who else could it be? It can't be white or male, the progressive wing believes they race and gender retconned the position and thus the left can never run a white male for the position again.
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