US "We are f***ed": Democrats despair over Biden debate performance

From CNN's Kasie Hunt
24 min ago

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Biden speaks during the CNN Presidential Debate on Thursday. John Nowak/CNN

Democrats are despairing over President Joe Biden’s debate performance Thursday night, a showing so halting some even privately raised questions about whether he should remain the party’s nominee.

Biden appeared onstage with a soft, halting voice and an open-mouthed, staring look. He struggled to finish thoughts at points, and ceded ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

It took just minutes for Democrats to realize how bad it was becoming.

“Biden looks and sounds terrible. He’s incoherent,” one Democrat who spent time working in the Biden administration said.

“Horrific,” said another Democratic operative.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f***ed.”

The looming question as the debate came to a close was almost existential: Should someone else top the Democratic ticket?

“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

This debate was historic for many reasons, but not least because it is taking place before each man is formally nominated at their respective conventions. The Democratic National Convention is set to convene August 19 in Chicago.

Democrats have spent much of the past year handwringing about Biden’s chances of beating Trump in an election many view as an existential one that will decide the very survival of American democracy. But Biden himself was determined to be the one to take on Trump, at one point even saying directly: “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running.”

No serious Democratic challengers stepped up to run against Biden, and at this point in the campaign he’d have to decide to step aside if Democrats were to pick another nominee. If Biden did withdraw, the Democratic nomination would be decided on the floor.

Democrats were even talking about who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

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I kinda feel bad for the democrats, they put all of their eggs in this one basket, only to realize that basket was full nitro glycerin about to blow up in their faces. I have friends who were so disappointed in this debate and were saddened at the idea of another term for Trump, and my heart goes out to those folk, but in the words of the great philosopher John Locke "It sucks to suck."
I don't. Every single one of these people were fine with a dementia ridden retard destroying the country as long as they could pretend half-credibly that he isn't a dementia ridden retard destroying the country

they're only upset because they can't play pretend anymore. They know what biden is.

I personally hope every last one of them is miserable, crying, tard raging hitting themselves in the head over what happened last night. They did it to themselves.
 
Well the "convicted felon" soundbite would immediately go the way of the dodo, that's for damn sure.
Honestly a felony in itself doesn't actually mean shit nowadays, in some states, theft or property damage of $500 or more is a felony. And many people can make that amount of money at most jobs, especially with inflation.
 
I honestly think these people believe their own propaganda. They literally thought epic "spry behind the scenes" biden was gonna epically own dementia drumpf.

Reality hit them like a truck
Oh absolutely I saw tons of people on reddit and Twitter posting pre debate about how Biden was going to swagger up to the podium and destroy Trump with facts and logic.

Progressives also seem to have this strange idea that Biden is a hyper masculine tough guy which is bizarre because he always kind of a dim witted nebbish dork his entire career.
 
I don't. Every single one of these people were fine with a dementia ridden retard destroying the country as long as they could pretend half-credibly that he isn't a dementia ridden retard destroying the country

they're only upset because they can't play pretend anymore. They know what biden is.

I personally hope every last one of them is miserable, crying, tard raging hitting themselves in the head over what happened last night. They did it to themselves.
god this place is full of more autists than i thought, its called sarcasm.
 
Oh absolutely I saw tons of people on reddit and Twitter posting pre debate about how Biden was going to swagger up to the podium and destroy Trump with facts and logic.

Progressives also seem to have this strange idea that Biden is a hyper masculine tough guy which is bizarre because he always kind of a dim witted nebbish dork his entire career.
moreso libs than progs
 
I’m pretty sure Reagan answered more questions correctly than Joe. Even if it was just 1. What we saw last night was the worst debate in history.
Biden dropped less than half a point in polls after the debate. RFK Jr dropped more after the debate than Biden, and he wasn't even there to screw up. Reagan dropped 7 points in the polls during that debate.

Biden isn't even the most addle-brained president, Woodrow Wilson was a bedridden, drooling vegetable the last 14 months of his presidency whose wife would use his hand to scrawl signatures on bills.

This isn't the worst debate in history. It's not even the worst debate in US political history - that would be a third party debate for California governor a couple decades ago. It ended up with whoever that weirdo self-proclaimed druid perpetual Libertarian candidate for pretty much any office he can sign on to an election for (Gary Copeland, I think?) where he had a tard-raging tantrum and ended up spitting at the moderators among other insanity.
 
god this place is full of more autists than i thought, its called sarcasm.
yes I'm dimly aware you were being tongue in cheek, but while you may be sarcastic but there are a lot of people on the right who will say what you did without the irony due to an abundance of empathy. I stand by my statement that I hold no sympathy for dems who have just had their world crashing down around them.
 
So what happens now?
They run Biden and try to cheat,or they try to find a new candidate?
They'll have to cheat if they get a new candidate too.

It's way too late in the game for a pivot, especially considering nobody else really has any energy behind them. Newsom is probably number 2 and he's a nobody to a lot of people, and would have to shove an entire campaign into 4 months, and doesn't seem interested in being that fall guy.

Kamala probably wants the throne, but lol good luck, she's both unpopular and hilariously incompetent, and can't blame dementia for it.

Hillary may try for the slot too if it opens, but again, she has the charisma of a rotting tomato, and already lost to Trump.
 
yes I'm dimly aware you were being tongue in cheek, but while you may be sarcastic but there are a lot of people on the right who will say what you did without the irony due to an abundance of empathy. I stand by my statement that I hold no sympathy for dems who have just had their world crashing down around them.
if this is the alternative then id say those guys were right.
 
So what happens now?
They run Biden and try to cheat,or they try to find a new candidate?
I am going to be really charitable for a moment.

Suppose you are a person who genuinely believes that Trump is a threat to democracy. You put trust in the Democratic party that although Biden appears awkward sometimes he is actually as sharp as ever. Suddenly you watch Biden unable to string together coherent sentences for 30 seconds at a time. You see Jill treating him like a child coming home with his first macaroni picture after the debate.

Suddenly you realize all the cheap fakes weren't out of context. The doddering old man has no clothes and he is your last hope against stopping the return of the Great Satan. How would you feel?

Alternatively imagine you had been covering for him this entire time. Maybe you thought he could pull it together occasionally when popped up and prepped. Now you realize he can't be. Its better to rip the plug out now.
 
Honestly a felony in itself doesn't actually mean shit nowadays, in some states, theft or property damage of $500 or more is a felony. And many people can make that amount of money at most jobs, especially with inflation.
The same people who were crying about Trump being a convicted felon were also calling to Abolish The Police a few years ago. Restorative justice for me but not for thee.
 
I wonder if they'll have another debate. As bad as Biden did, I wouldn't be shocked if Biden's handlers end up pushing for a second debate just in the hope that the moderators can attack Trump enough to give them some spin to claim Biden had a "comeback" win like Reagan's second debate in '84.

Of course Trump might refuse a second debate, simply on the grounds that it would be elder abuse to drag Biden to a podium again.

Might depend on the VP nod. How good a debater is Burgum?
 
I don't disagree that the man is likeable, I just think it took a back seat to how much his base fucking detests everything associated with the old political norms.
I think the insane thing is that they really don’t have anything on Trump. You’d think they could nail him for corruption in New York, but they have to basically destroy precedent by saying he lied about the valuation of his property and then Trump has the supposed victim come forward to say “Yeah, we have no problem with this. It’s how it works”. Every fucking one of his trials is insane.

I think for all the bitching about Trump he had the best foreign policy of the last 30 years. He didn’t vomit on any Japs, have Chinese spies, demand France invade Iraq, or whatever fuck the Obama Extended Universe has done.
 
I think the insane thing is that they really don’t have anything on Trump. You’d think they could nail him for corruption in New York, but they have to basically destroy precedent by saying he lied about the valuation of his property and then Trump has the supposed victim come forward to say “Yeah, we have no problem with this. It’s how it works”. Every fucking one of his trials is insane.

I think for all the bitching about Trump he had the best foreign policy of the last 30 years. He didn’t vomit on any Japs, have Chinese spies, demand France invade Iraq, or whatever fuck the Obama Extended Universe has done.
I thought China killed multiple CIA agents under Trump, or was that Obama?
 
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