Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

what happened to make SEALS such faggots and dudebros?
They became the Navy's primary recruitment tool. I remember playing SOCOM Navy SEAL games on the PS2 and they often had "bonus" videos which were effectively just recruitment for the Navy. You had NAVY SEAL with Charlie Sheen. You had Marcinko publishing books at a pretty rapid pace all things considered. Media related to SEALs and the occasional Top Gun has always worked wonders for Navy recruitment numbers, so it makes sense that they would keep betting on it and continue pushing their "coolest" unit into the spotlight.

In fact the year that Top Gun Maverick released, the Navy was the only branch to meet it's recruitment goals as well as surpass them. The Air Force also benefited secondarily.
 
Here's the guy Medal of Honor winner Lieutenant Michael Patrick Murphy shot before he got promoted.
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And here's Lt. Murphy's boss justifying a promotion for the fratricidal irishman
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And here's Lt. Murphy
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The point of the above image is to make it apparent that Hospital Corpsman 1st Class Marcus Luttrell never rendered medical aid to his dying comrades. Marcus got shot in the ass, probably from running away as fast as possible.
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Marcus claimed Dietz shot at Ahmad Shah's men. Unfortunately Dietz' M4A1 tells a different story.
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The Rangers who found Marcus didn't find much evidence to back up Marcus' claims of giving as good as he got.
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Now you might be wondering how thoroughly those dumbass Rangers actually searched the mountain. They found all the SEALs bodies, all the bodies of the men who died aboard Turbine 33, they even found a fucking wedding ring from one of the pilots just so they could give it to his widow. But that wasn't all they found. Rangers find fast rope in cave..png
By the way most of this information is coming from the book "Run to the Sound of the Guns: The True Story of an American Ranger at war in Iraq and Afghanistan." Some it of it also comes from wikileaksall wikileaks documents about Operation Red Wings.png
This snazzy cap of Shah in his basketball sneakers comes from

'REAL Operation Red Wings' 06/28/2005 |Operation Whalers USMC Maj Kelly Grissom Capt J.J.Konstant​

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middle dude is Shah. below we have another cap of Shah from his ambush footageScreenshot 2024-05-23 103158.png
Here's pic of Luttrell snapped by Gulab during Luttrell surprise visit to Salar Ban
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Yeah, that was a gross understatement. The pilot who dropped off the SEALs said the trees on the mountain were over 100 feet ( 31m) high.

Based on the public information i've stuffed up my bunghole here's how the ambush most likely went down.

  • Shah finds fast rope, follows SEALs boot prints right to their location
  • Waits until they enter gulch after getting spotted by goat herders
  • blasts them with everything he has including at least 1 PKM and multiple RPGs
  • Dietz dies without firing a shot
  • Lt. Murphy makes a call on his satellite phone and is shot in the process
  • Lt. Murphy starts screaming for help from Marcus, the team medic
  • Marcus drops his gun and covers his ears until doesn't hear Lt. Murphy screaming anymore
  • Axelson fires back until he's hit in the head
  • Axelson and Marcus move down the gulch as best they can
  • Marcus loses sight of Axelson, doesn't care, keeps running
In Shah's footage the SEALs return fire is sporadic and ineffective. Shah's men casually walk down the gulch plugging away at the SEALs. The whole incident, according to the time on the camera, only lasts about 30 minutes although the camera clearly starts rolling after the start of the ambush. The handful of NATO brass found by the Rangers supports the conclusion that the SEALs did not return much fire. So does the image showing Dietz clean weapon. There's also a cap on Ed Darack's website clearly showing ammo in Lt. Murphy's magazines.

Shah didn't have 100 fighters with him. From the footage it doesn't look like he even had 20 fighters. Most likely none of Shah's men died. There's no injured or dying hadj in Shah's footage. No dead hadj or evidence of dead hadj was found by the Rangers.

Tomorrow I'll post sources.
 
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Shah didn't have 100 fighters with him. From the footage it doesn't look like he even had 20 fighters. Most likely none of Shah's men died. There's no injured or dying hadj in Shah's footage. No dead hadj or evidence of dead hadj was found by the Rangers.
Great post! Thats how I always thought it played out, SEAL's got ambushed and slaughtered. Theres only a surviour because he was a coward he dropped his gear left his mates for dead and ran, and the kindess of a foreign stranger. I'd like to note these Taliban affiliated militia men did not desecreate the dead Americans or loot their corpses. The same can't be said for the men killed by American (and Australia) special forces.
 
Shah finds fast rope, follows SEALs boot prints right to their location
That's the most damning thing yet, I can forgive running after 50% of your team is killed in an Afghan mountain crevice, (though not lying about it) but to be so sloppy on a small scale reconnaissance mission is ridiculous. American Exceptionalism kills again, I guess.
 
sources for my Red Wangs shit
  1. my ass bitches (wayback machine)
  2. https://web.archive.org/web/2013041...istan-2/afghan-saved-a-gi-now-pays-the-price/
  3. https://web.archive.org/web/20211109111655/https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna10619502
  4. https://web.archive.org/web/2019061...lone-survivor-operation-red-wings-458139.html
  5. https://web.archive.org/web/2021121...l.org/index.php/ERIK_S._KRISTENSEN,_LCDR,_USN
  6. https://web.archive.org/web/2020051.../operation-red-wings-ii-the-recovery-part-ii/
  7. https://web.archive.org/web/2020070...survivor-uncovered-the-ambush-at-sawtalo-sar/
  8. https://web.archive.org/web/20200728124042/https://coffeeordie.com/red-wings-night-stalkers/
  9. https://web.archive.org/web/20240523182956/https://theiceman.substack.com/p/the-lone-survivor-myth
  10. https://web.archive.org/web/2024032...-Surviving-SEAL-tells-story-of-deadly-mission
  11. https://web.archive.org/web/20240524045608/https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA476433.pdf
  12. https://web.archive.org/web/20240416004419/http://www.darack.com/sawtalosar/
  13. https://web.archive.org/web/20230629170419/https://coffeeordie.com/red-wings-behind-the-story
  14. YOUUUUTUBE
  15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YAbNO2AoBk (Dietz mom interview)
  16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZU_FUAmffo (PJ shaved Marcus Luttell)
  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTA60-vd62I (bitchin intro 4:50 FUCK YEAH)
  18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTuf5PRnbFg (I just wanted Lt. Murphy's bitch ass to stop screaming my name)
  19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH9EkXxobNk (guy that Lt. Murphy shot)
  20. PODCASTS
  21. https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/...odes/111-matt-brady-operation-red-w-143066207 (dude who dropped off Lt. Murphy)
  22. https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/...odes/don-bentley-operation-red-wing-145950997 (dude who told Turbine 33 to wait before they got blasted)
And the motherfucking shit you've all been waiting for; the video of the SEALs corpses God rest their souls
https://archive.org/details/Konr3mlia gotta have a wayback account

smoke me a double shot of cappuccino im taking a dip bitches
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Hit me with tmis, but I was at a firebase in the valley during red wing, and the seals brought that shit on themselves. They yanked the mission from the 2/3 scout sniper team that had been operating out of abad for a while. They had the lay of the land, knew the locals and we had developed somewhat positive relations with the locals due to the CA team we had at abad who's leadership pushed hard on truly winning hearts and minds and accomplished it. The seals wanted to get off baf, yanked a cool guy mission off established teams which lead to a on going shit show that ended with multiple people dying and multiple overrun attempts on the different (jbad, abad, blessing) fire bases in the valley. The shit show I endured for a year can be traced back to those shit bags. The only reason that coward survived was the locals custom was to help those who needed help. If that elder hadn't protected luttrell and walked to blessing, he would have been dead too.
 
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Great post man. Don't worry about TMI's. Those are for excessively irrelevant and/or embarrassing information. Talking about personal work or life experience when relevant is fine. Saying, hypothetically, how you needed to spend months in a mental hospital due to an excessive masturbation addiction would be a TMI for example, even if it was relevant to the topic.
smoke me a double shot of cappuccino im taking a dip bitches
Great post dude! That was informative and thorough as hell. When I get back and have the time, I might add it referenced to the OP.

"Take it down"

Could not resist. C-squad allegedly.
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Could not resist. C-squad allegedly.
Looks like a C Squadron patch on the guy with the blue-ish undershirt. Photo is probably ten years old at this point. There is seemingly no consistency with what former operators are allowed to post and talk about. Indicative of poor leadership. On the most recent podcast with Brent Tucker, he said he wasn't allowed to say the name of the squadron he was in, but he constantly says "The Delta Force". Everyone already knows it was A Squadron, Brent. Tons of other A Squadrons guys have posted photos with the squadron patch and callsigns before. Then you have other operators like Bob Keller who have never said the word "Delta" publicly, but will say what squadron they were in. There are operators who won't tell any combat stories, and operators who will post helmet cam footage from operations. It's a mess.

*Edit- for the Delta ooperators reading this, I'll even guess Brent started off in A-2 and then went to A-3. Am I right?
 
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Looks like a C Squadron patch on the guy with the blue-ish undershirt. Photo is probably ten years old at this point. There is seemingly no consistency with what former operators are allowed to post and talk about. Indicative of poor leadership. On the most recent podcast with Brent Tucker, he said he wasn't allowed to say the name of the squadron he was in, but he constantly says "The Delta Force". Everyone already knows it was A Squadron, Brent. Tons of other A Squadrons guys have posted photos with the squadron patch and callsigns before. Then you have other operators like Bob Keller who have never said the word "Delta" publicly, but will say what squadron they were in. There are operators who won't tell any combat stories, and operators who will post helmet cam footage from operations. It's a mess.
Yeah, there's no rhyme or reason. I guess it's just a "do what the fuck you want" season at the compound.
 
Looks like a C Squadron patch on the guy with the blue-ish undershirt. Photo is probably ten years old at this point. There is seemingly no consistency with what former operators are allowed to post and talk about. Indicative of poor leadership. On the most recent podcast with Brent Tucker, he said he wasn't allowed to say the name of the squadron he was in, but he constantly says "The Delta Force". Everyone already knows it was A Squadron, Brent. Tons of other A Squadrons guys have posted photos with the squadron patch and callsigns before. Then you have other operators like Bob Keller who have never said the word "Delta" publicly, but will say what squadron they were in. There are operators who won't tell any combat stories, and operators who will post helmet cam footage from operations. It's a mess.
I mean, how secret can Delta Force be at this point. If you have any sense of secrecy, the last thing you would want to do is pose in a group picture. I can understand the regular Army doing it, but if part of your job is doing covert surveillance in hostile countries (like the SAS does or did), what the hell are you doing taking group photos with squad identifying patches and Delta Gucci gear like the Panos?

They are such a meme. I bet they don't know what their job is anymore.

Also updated the OP with the link to the Red Wings post (the operation is 20 years old at this point, so that's a thing to note moving forward. Most SEAL enlisted from that era are likely retired.) and the probability of what Bob did with bin Laden given the lack of ear PID. (Ear biometrics is a quite interesting topic dating way back. Kinda interesting.)

Also, David McBride, the Aussie SASR war crime whistle-blower, was sentenced to 5 years and 8 months in prison. ABC (the news agency) is infiltrated by government agents covering up for politicians and generals (also politicians). Was that the Aussie Matt Cole? No duff, Australia is such a cucked country, it stands to reason they'd have the British flag on their flag.

Lesson learned, if you are a whistle-blower, you need free speech on the web, and you can't trust official news outlets, they glow hard and will stab you in the back.
 
I mean, how secret can Delta Force be at this point. If you have any sense of secrecy, the last thing you would want to do is pose in a group picture. I can understand the regular Army doing it, but if part of your job is doing covert surveillance in hostile countries (like the SAS does or did), what the hell are you doing taking group photos with squad identifying patches and Delta Gucci gear like the Panos?
That thread has become a hellthread. I truly can't comprehend how someone in the military would place the burden of maintaining "OPSEC" onto rando internet posters rather than the military members themselves. It's incredibly stupid and childish. "I posted this photo publicly on the internet for clout, but if you re-post it, terrorists will come kill my family!" Maybe, um, don't take the photo then? How do these "people" even function?
 
I forgot a few sources, mostly books:
SEAL of Honor by Gary Williams
Victory Point by Ed Darack
Run to the Sound of the Guns: An army ranger at war in Iraq and Afghanistan by Nick Moore and Mir Bahmanyar
Lone Survivor was used to contrast good information with bad information
Lest We Forget by Leo Jenkins has a few paragraphs about the recovery of Axelson's body. Jenkins makes some serious assumptions about Axelson despite acknowledging he never saw the man's body; it was recovered by SEALs from Team 10. To the best of my limited research none of these SEALs apart from one ever talked about recovering Axelson's body. I didn't bookmark the interview with this guy because he basically just said what Jenkins wrote: a villager asked for and recieved money to lead them to Axelson's corpse which was located in a shallow grave on the outskirts of Salar Ban.

completely non graphic footage from Shah

A bunch of podcasts with dudes on Operation Red Wings 2 the recovery mission for Red Wings that I never bookmarked. There was a hilarious one with a Greenie Beenie named Travis Osborn who told a riveting tale of getting lost on Sawtalo Sar and covered in donkey shit. He didn't really add anything to overarching narrative so I didn't bookmark it.

There's a Marine Corps Gazette article mentioned by Darack that discusses what a complete clusterfuck the command and control of Operation Red Wings and the recovery mission was. I found the article on an extremely sketchy website so I'm not linking it. I could not locate it on the wayback machine. Basically Colonel McMannis, the co writer, states that the command and control of the operation was bad even by JROTC standards.

I almost forgot to mention the Ed Darack interviews. Darack did 2 interviews with The Team House and 1 with Former Action Guys podcast. A shoutout to the hoosier gyrene who runs Former Action Guys. Don't know the dude, was not a gyrene but in my opinion it's the realest military pod out there. In one of his interview Darack claimed Lt. Murphy's insertion point ended up being within 100 yards (90 meters), yes 100 yards, of the hideout Shah was using. He provided no evidence for this claim but I give it credence based on the fact that Shah found the SEALs insertion rope.

Darack also mentioned that he'll be releasing more information about the mission at some point in the future. He intimated that the families of many of the men who died during Red Wings are pretty fucking pissed at Marcus and want the truth to come out. I'd guess that Axelson's family is pretty fucking pissed that Marcus, the team medic, didn't fucking help Axelson during the retreat. I picked up a few photos from https://matthewaxelson.com/ I could not find the book anywhere for free and I'm not paying for it.

leo jenkins has done a lot of pods but he almost always regurgitates what he wrote in his book

Nicholas Moore has done a few pods. During pods Moore is way nicer to Marcus than he was in the book with one exception that makes it clear that the unflattering things he said about Marcus were in fact his own words and not the ghost writer using him as a sock puppet.

Dr. Tony Huge Brooks wrote a book called Leave No Man Behind in which he recounted the story of looking for a ring to send to the newly widowed wife of one of the men who died aboard Turbine 33.

A devgru SEAL named Boyd Renner did an interview with Global Recon Podcast, episode 103. He didn't really have anything interesting to say apart from the fact that he considered the red wings recovery mission to be the only worthwhile thing he did in his 28 years as a SEAL (a whooping 23 at devgru). Really tells you all you need to know about devgru in my opinion.
 
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A bunch of podcasts with dudes on Operation Red Wings 2 the recovery mission for Red Wings that I never bookmarked. There was a hilarious one with a Greenie Beenie named Travis Osborn who told a riveting tale of getting lost on Sawtalo Sar and covered in donkey shit. He didn't really add anything to overarching narrative so I didn't bookmark it.

Boogerman, thanks for all this informative content! It'll take a while to look through. I just have a question, and this is purely my curiosity flaring up. Why are you so interested in Red Wings and the recovery mission? Does it particularly piss you off what happened? Do you know personally some of the people who were there? I mean, that's a lot of reading on that topic, and even I haven't done this sort of deep dives into a topic, so I was wondering why the profound interest. Mind you, "I don't want to answer" is perfectly valid. Or just lie to me if you don't want to say it, lol. It's just me being snoopy.


Speaking of the Delta meltdown thread, this comment seems at first pretty normal and then turns horrifying.
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"...getting their murder on [without Gucci gear]"

I do read a lot, and this is the first time I think I read this specific phrasing. Again, I wouldn't make this a big deal if it's said in a COD or airsoft tournament, but these are people known to have LITERALLY gotten "their murder on". Talon Anvil, Camp Nama, Omega groups and Wardak Zero squadrons. Not to mention the countless "accidental" plus one (or more) civilian killings when going out on ops.

When people who've historically been associated with unjustified killings say the phrase "get their murder on", this is beyond worrying. I'd expect a professional and not war crimey unit to say, something like "They were successful in operations.", "They were unhindered by basic rifles" or if you were a bit more aggressive, something like "They smoked enemy targets with [basic gear]". But "getting their murder on"? Jeez. I just hope it's empty bluster, but I really doubt it.
 
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Speaking of the Delta meltdown thread, this comment seems at first pretty normal and then turns horrifying.
Yeah, that's not a good look...

At least that Ranger posted this cool photo of Rob after Green Team
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Here's what the moderator of r/navyseals said about criticism of SEALs by the Army.
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lol the guy having a meltdown in the delta thread is an actual Green Beret
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Here's what the moderator of r/navyseals said about criticism of SEALs by the Army.
"Look man, it has been my experience that the Rangers are not exceptionally good compared to regular teams..."

"YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP, VANILLA TEAMS ARE DOG SHIT, AND AN E4 (Corporal or Specialist) HAD MORE TIME ON TARGET THAN A SEAL E7 (A chief petty officer or SFC in the Army, so a platoon leader)"


Okay bro, guess it's the Navy has cultural issues and there is no jealousy or overt hostility to any criticism. :roll: It's kinda funny how he ended up proving the mod for r/navyseals right in the reply, by having a meltdown out at the suggestion that in the Rangers might not be that good.

I'm adding Bob's photo to the OP, it's just way too funny. I think that's what they call yarding in for Red team, right? Bob seems he can handle it with ease. Irish genes... :drink:



Alleged pics of the UBL raid.




LMAO, A GB worried about terrorist cells in America that will hunt operators in their homes, even though everyone knows where Bragg and Dam Neck is and no crazy asassination plot ever happened?

Why is Galen Legrand Huss allowed internet access? If it's not Galen, it'd advice waste_ad_1221 to put warning signs for utility workers with foreign accents to not repair his internet. Just as a precaution in case they find him drunk and paranoid.
 
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Yeah, that's not a good look...

At least that Ranger posted this cool photo of Rob after Green Team
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Here's what the moderator of r/navyseals said about criticism of SEALs by the Army.
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Let's just ignore the fact that rangers are instructors in sqt, and that RRC is a tier 1 asset that provides on target Intel to usasoc and jsoc assets. Seals are a bunch of baby back bitches that get big mad when people don't worship them. If something like cag or orange conducted the ubl raid, at most we'd know that bin laden was gone. Possibly "Army Special Forces Unit'. No one would have come out fighting to claim they made the kill shot.
 
Let's just ignore the fact that rangers are instructors in sqt, and that RRC is a tier 1 asset that provides on target Intel to usasoc and jsoc assets. Seals are a bunch of baby back bitches that get big mad when people don't worship them. If something like cag or orange conducted the ubl raid, at most we'd know that bin laden was gone. Possibly "Army Special Forces Unit'. No one would have come out fighting to claim they made the kill shot.
I mean, just to be clear, I don't want this thread to degenerate between SEAL vs Army USASOC. Rangers are very numerous and have their own culture and mission which parallels, but is different from the SEALs. And they often work together. The Red Wings and Extortion 17 recovery were done by Rangers. And in Extortion 17's case, Gold Team was flying QRF of Rangers who were performing the main mission, so they clearly can fight side by side.

The point is not about battlefield success, but how aggressive the Army resents the SEALs. Like the ridiculous E4 vs E7 SEAL comment. Honestly, I think alcohol and the cultural lies about SEALs that were actively promoted (the lies about Red Wings, and American Sniper that's in the interest of the Navy to remain hidden) causes a lot of friction between units. SEALs are a great recruiting tool that are flaunted like they were the Blue Angels of special warfare. They are still a SOCOM unit and have their myriad of problems.

I just rated you optimistic because USASOC has gotten this weird idea that they are "better" in some way than the SEALs, when we have countless examples in the thread of accidents, mishaps, war crimes, incompetence and alcoholic douchbaggery behavior. It's in the OP. Now, I don't know what would have happened if USASOC got the UBL raid. But given how B squad made a music video with a canoe of them operating in Iraq (just one example), I don't think they are the "super-secret-professional" organization they claim or imagine themselves to be.

By the way, (and this is directed to no one in particular) this is NOT a SEAL/DELTA/RANGER/SOCOM guarding thread. Everyone has their dirty laundry, moments of glory, and just plain weird drama. Being objective and unbiased, I think, is the way to go.
 
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I get what you're saying, but my personal experiences with the seals are that they are arrogant prima donnas and that is not a strong enough descriptor for them. Growing up, my dad mentioned how much he couldn't stand the seals (he was a Marine) because of their attitudes and bearing. I thought he was exaggerating until I spent 3 minutes in a conversation with one . I can't reply to you for some reason.
 
In Shah's footage the SEALs return fire is sporadic and ineffective. Shah's men casually walk down the gulch plugging away at the SEALs. The whole incident, according to the time on the camera, only lasts about 30 minutes although the camera clearly starts rolling after the start of the ambush. The handful of NATO brass found by the Rangers supports the conclusion that the SEALs did not return much fire. So does the image showing Dietz clean weapon. There's also a cap on Ed Darack's website clearly showing ammo in Lt. Murphy's magazines.
Red Wings is an utter disgrace. Everything about it officially released, let alone Lone Survivor is 100% pure bullshit.

Sheer stupidity and egotistical dick waving got a lot of men killed.
 
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